Danke für deinen Kommentar. :)

Sorry, aber das konnten wir allein schon aus Respekt zu Ouv, sowohl aus Zeitgründen nicht tun. Finde aber, die Seiten sehen so trotzdem sehr viel besser aus in Farbe. ^^

@Shabby and everyone here.

I didn't say anything so far on purpose and just silently watched how this unfolds.
But please don't get a wrong impression here. We only kept this discussion going, because Salagir himself replied to some readers. We want to make it clear that this was a HUGE exception and definitely shouldn't be the norm. There were several rules broken here (rule #1, #2, #3, #12, #13, #14 & #15!!!) and we deliberately turned a blind eye. Though by now it starts to cross the line. I'm sorry for everyone who's struggling irl or who felt offended by all this, but please... this comment section here is not the right place to talk about this.

Personally, I don't think this page is super funny, I think the joke is too stretched for my taste. While I don't mind any slurs being used here and I partially agree with what Salagir said, I knew that this will upset people again, while translating this page. I don't agree with everything that Salagir said, but with most of it. I'm also kind of annoyed by all the censoring and that you really have to be super careful about what you're saying these days, someone will somehow always be offended if you make a joke. I don't want to go deeper into this topic, since we already stretched the limits of off topic too much by now, just wanted to give my 2 cents to this.

Please stay civil and have a nice rest of your weekend! ☀️ 1 Respuesta(s)

Wow. Kinda ironic how people usually complain about bad art in Bojacks specials and that he's such a boring and generic character, that we now made a 180° turn and suddenly the art is too good and Bojack's character too expressive. It doesn't happen that often, but I'm honestly at a loss of words.

Bojack Unbound is roughly 50 minutes long. Bojack didn't had much time to show some unique character traits in that movie.

It's kinda similar to Vegetto, who only ever fought Buu in DBZ for some minutes, where he trolled him the whole time. That obviously means he must act like that the whole time, in everyday situations, right? No. If people don't like Salagir's depiction of his character in DBM, fine. You may have your own headcanon. But you can't say he had huge character development in the original source. To me, it totally makes sense, but that's going off topic now.

So Salagir can extend Bojack's character in DBM as well. I think there's nothing contradicting to the source material. Feel free to correct me, please. ✌🏻

I mean, sure. I get your points.

But as you mention at the end, maybe he can't even transform. Chilled is not Frieza, who was considered as some kind of mutant of the frost demon race. So maybe this extreme durability is unique to Frieza. We don't really know for sure if Cold has equally high durability as his son.

But if he survived that, then I go along with it. It just makes me think that Cumber isn't as strong as I believed. If we already compare Chilled to Frieza, then how strong is Yamoshi? I don't believe he is on Goku's level when he first transformed, he should be much weaker.

There is something else I have questions about, but that will happen in a few pages, so I'll get back to it once those pages get released here. ^^

Can you please elaborate on how Bojack's character is being portrayed correctly then, in your opinion? How much character did he have in his movie, Bojack Unbound? Because that's the only "canon" source we can go by. To me, he was a pretty generic villain. He was cruel and arrogant. Something that most villains are. I don't see anything contradicting in DBM's portrayal of Bojack.

But I'm sure you can enlighten us. 3 Respuesta(s)

This is rather surprising how Chilled survived that, because on page 139 it absolutely looked like Cumber completely destroyed him. Shouldn't somebody have noticed that he didn't really die from that? I mean, his body must've been still visible somehow.

I assume that Chilled is a lot weaker than Frieza, so that makes the powerscaling a bit weird here. How strong is Yamoshi in SSJ? If that attack didn't kill Chilled, Cumber isn't as strong as I thought. 🤔 1 Respuesta(s)

Who's that XII you're talking about? I only know XXI. 😜

I mean, he can try that. Gast might've surprised him the first time Buu interrupted the tournament, but Buu absolutely obliterated Gast the second time. Yes, XXI managed to seal Buu and destroy a piece of him, when he entered his apartment. But Buu wasn't really phased by his loss against him. We should also not forget, that Buu absorbed Old Kai in his own universe, so he should know how XXI was once defeated.

There is a chance we might see Buu again, if XXI actually manages to enter Buu's universe. Or, Juna is the key to get him back somehow. Uub implied in the flashback that something probably happened to Buu, because he vanished suddenly and that it doesn't hurt to have Juna with him (to maybe contact Buu somehow?). 1 Respuesta(s)

That absolutely is true. There is no need to argue about this. It's not like that's my own theory or that I'm just making this up, I asked Salagir specifically about this and he confirmed that every part of Buu has 100% of his power. Sorry, but there is no debate about this, wether you like it or not.

Like others said, chapter 88 made it very clear, that Buu was just trolling everyone, he didn't took this seriously at all. Obviously he was holding back against most of the people in the arena, to have some fun.

Yes, he was vulnerable when he was in the cocoon and probably could've been destroyed there. But that wouldn't have killed him completely, since he still had parts of himself back home in his universe. Also, that's besides the point here.

Tien destroys the sealed piece along with the ring when he uses the Kikoho. Even if that wasn't the case, Buu would've been sent back to his own universe, same as his clone in the dimension, where he left Uub in. All parts of Buu are back in U4.

Also, no. He would be just as strong. All parts of Buu are as strong and have all the techniques, as every other part of him. Yes, Buu is actually THAT broken. Additionally, he couldn't even gotten defeated completely at the tournament, since he left pieces of himself in U4, I mean... someone has to watch his own universe as well, right. :D 2 Respuesta(s)

Buu was absolutely trolling.

Witzig, wie das die einzigen Bedenken hier sind. xD

Im englischen Bereich drehen alle wegen dem Wort "faggot/Schwuchtel" durch.

DBM Pan ist cool. ^-^

Mein Favorit von den neuen Avataren:

DBM Pan is cool! ^-^

My favorite avatar here:

Thank you!


No, it did not. Every piece of Buu was sent back to his universe.

Brakuje tekstu w lewym górnym rogu. ^^

Here you go:

Sorry to disappoint you, but nope. We won't. This is just too much work. It already took us over a decade to get to this point here and we didn't even catch up with the main story yet. Currently we color chapter 86, with Buu vs XXI. It will take us years to catch up, currently we are also only 4 active members.

While some specials might be tempting to color, most of them are not, at least for our coloring team. It would take forever to also color all specials. Please respect this decision, it already takes a long time to color all of the main DBM pages, and if you want to keep seeing this level of quality, it just takes time to achieve that.

Buuuut... I colored some pages from Asura´s Coola special, many years ago. You can check it out on my DA, I recently shared a few panels of it:

https://www.deviantart.com/zenbuuu4 1 Respuesta(s)

Doch, das ist Zangya.

It absolutely is Zangya.

Beach: "Meine Kleidung schmilzt schon."
Kritoad: "Super!"

Finde ich witzig. xD

Falls das jemand nicht versteht, das war eine Anspielung auf die Cell Spiele. Wo der Reporter der mit Mr. Satan da war, Son Gohan (Gohan = gekochter Reis) zuerst für einen kleinen Jungen gehalten hat, der auf Schlachtfeldern Reis und kleine Snacks an die Leute verteilt. xD

Cóż, drugi rozdział retrospektywny wcale nie wygląda gorzej niż oryginalne strony, gdy jest w całości w kolorze... wręcz przeciwnie! Czekajcie na kolejną okładkę jutro, jest naprawdę niesamowita!

Z pewnością możecie poczekać jeszcze trochę, aż w pełni docenimy rysunki Asura!


Jeśli chcesz, możesz przetłumaczyć mój komentarz w sekcji angielskiej dotyczący okładki na polski. W razie gdyby ktoś nie rozpoznał nawiązania. ^^

How do you think those colored panels ended up in the novel? ^^

We already colored the remade pages by Asura and included them at the end of Vegeta vs Cell. But it will still take a while, until we get there.

Thanks for your comment though. ☺️
Yes, it's indeed a pain to color Cell, but the result is always very satisfying.

Why don't you color this page and we see how it turns out? Your vision seems much more superior, I'm curious to see how much better you can do it. 😜

Ok, on a serious note:

>Most probably barely notice them

If it's barely noticeable, how can it be that it's apparently inferior to the original page?

>Honestly, seems like you believe your version of this page is an improvement over the original

Yes, I do.

>however i disagree.

Fair enough, if that's your opinion.

>The colours are lovely

And it also takes a lot of time to color even a single page. Something people don't seem to realize. Sometimes people act like we don't put thoughts into coloring all these pages and do it all mindlessly. Which is not the case. You don't like it? Fine. I see it differently.

>If you can handle some constructive criticism

I can handle criticism, if it's actually constructive. But was it necessary to phrase it like this? 🤔

>Would have looked way better in my opinion.

Good, then that's your opinion. Let's agree to disagree. 👍🏻


That's cool, glad you like it! At least someone else seems to appreciate the "pretty superficial changes that don't really add much". 😎

Please do not forget, that we still have the second part of the flashback in-between. There is still Zen Buu vs Tien and Son Bra vs Eleim!

But you'll see an awesome new cover tomorrow! 😬

Der Comic hat jetzt über einen Monat pausiert und dann wurden plötzlich nur 2 Seiten hochgeladen und der Release unerwartet fortgesetzt. Da ich nicht wusste, dass es auf einmal weitergeht, habe ich die Seite auch nicht so schnell übersetzt. Werde es jetzt nachholen.

Nicht wundern, die Seite ist noch nicht mit der korrekten Schriftart gelettert und exportiert, daher sieht das jetzt auch nochmal anders aus. Die Sternchen markieren fettgedruckte Wörter... 1 Respuesta(s)

Well, I haven't seen a single person address yet that we added the arena in the background of panel 2 for example. We did this on a lot of pages and it usually makes a page feel more vivid, instead of having a complete blank background, like in the original b/w page. You know, stuff like that.


Fair enough, maybe I should have rephrased that. Wasn't really meant to be offensive, it just seemed to be the only thing people are focusing on here. Hell, someone in another language even said they're disappointed that we didn't redraw this page to edit Goku as a SSJ, instead of transforming into a SSJ3. Ironically with the same avatar as Goku transforming into a SSJ3... from this page here. 😂 1 Respuesta(s)

I have a suggestion for everyone who doesn't like Bojack and his lore:

Take a break from DBM and come back at the end of May. This will be a long special. Comments which only complain when this special will finally end, that it's not interesting or that nobody cares about Bojack, will be deleted.


You should reread the last Bojack special...

Half of it literally showed how the Bojack gang fought and killed Polar together (page 2298). 1 Respuesta(s)

I've seen people addressing this in all languages now and it's kinda weird that this is the only focus here of most readers.

It's kinda simple. Goku obviously doesn't need to be SSJ3 here to stop that.

This was the first main chapter Asura has drawn for DBM and he basically wanted to have an excuse to draw Goku as an SSJ3 iirc ^^

Just see it as rule of cool. 4 Respuesta(s)

Weil das Asura's erstes Kapitel für DBM war und er einfach eine Ausrede brauchte, um Goku im SSJ3 zu zeichnen.

Nennen wir es einfach rule of cool. 😎

>Why not about U11 Fat Buu vs Z-fighters?
>Why not how U13 Vegeta unlocked SSJ and defeated U13 Frieza?
>Why not U9 humans vs U9 Cooler?

Read my previous comment. These specials will get released one day, they are being worked on at the moment. Sometimes I get the feeling you guys think that a special chapter is drawing itself on its own. It takes time and some artists work slower than others.

I agree that U9 has a lot of potential to even make it a comic on its own. I'd love to see that as well, but we have to be patient.

>Why not how U17 Cell beat U17 Broly?
This Minicomic already explained that Broly died in U17.

>Bojack is just a dumb and boring character that got way too much power by luck

Seriously? Isn't this basically the same as Broly? You don't want to see Bojack, but Broly instead? Who's even more boring than Bojack and has zero character, who just screams Kakarotto and is massively OP? Alriiiight... 🤣
But I can assure you. As the Minicomic says, you will still get specials about Broly in U7, U11 and U13. You can look forward to that!

>And you ‘especially when it involves Bojack’. There is reason for that.

Some artists prefer to draw Saiyans. Some artists obviously prefer to draw Bojack, as you can clearly see. Otherwise there wouldn't exist several specials about Bojack. As I already mentioned, I don't like Bojack either, but I don't complain about it the whole time, because it doesn't change anything. So, no. I don't see a reason for constant complaining about this. 1 Respuesta(s)

Seems we have to be a bit more harsh again, since people here can't stop making derogatory comments. We won't tolerate any insulting comments here and that we "see you in a few months again" is also unnecessary to write. Keep that for yourself and just return after the special is done. I'm sure you can keep yourself busy otherwise in that time frame.

Specials about other universes will follow, but now the focus is on Bojack and his crew. Wether you like it or not, deal with it. Complaining about it the whole time won't change a thing. It's crazy that, after so many years, we always need to have this conversation when a special starts. Especially when it involves Bojack. 2 Respuesta(s)

Polar is already dead (page 2298). This will be about Cold and their father, Snower (page 2300). :D

You act like these chapters aren't being worked on at the moment. It takes time to create a whole chapter, especially if you do it in your free time without getting paid. The artist for this chapter just happened to be faster than the other artists work. Some specials also are finished for quite a while, but get released later on. Why? I don't know personally, only Salagir knows.

I know for sure that Ouv also works on the Namek Saga for U13. A very long special about U3 will follow as well. Same for more U9 content. Just be patient.

That being said, I'm also no fan of Bojack. But the last special with Polar was pretty decent. Let's see how the battle with Cold and Snower goes. 3 Respuesta(s)

Mhhh, so ist XXI going to force Moori now to create a new set of DBs? The bad guys have a huge advantage now, even more so than before. 🤔


Says who? You? Because you make it sound like it's a confirmed fact. Vegetto got humiliated over and over again over the course of the DBM tournament. I don't see how a body change won't work on him, if it's done correctly so he doesn't see it coming. Not saying this is what's going to happen, but I doubt he's immune against it, when even Son Bra isn't either. Though, I think it makes more sense if he's still himself, when he actually "snaps". It would feel weird if they have to fight Vegetto, who's not actually Vegetto, but Ginyu inside his body.

That being said... I have a feeling, that U8, especially Ginyu, is still there for a reason. His little arc where he switched bodies with Bra was a bit underwhelming, but we saw how he can potentially cause chaos during the Majin rebellion, where he singlehandedly killed all Kaioshins. He's definitely a wildcard, same as Cell and probably Mystic Raditz, who's forced to fight on the good guys side.

I mean, U8 still stayed in U0 to get their hands on a set of DBs, which always seemed unrealistic for them to achieve. Now they kinda are searching for DBs, but as I just explained, I believe Ginyu is the sole reason they're still there. For example, if Raichi was still there, he would have absolutely allied with XXI, with the promise to kill Saiyans in all universes. And he would be pretty overpowered here in this scenario. So to balance the odds a bit in favor for the good guys, he had to go.

It's just kinda sad that U9 had to go. I hope South will regret that decision. Just look at the chaos he just caused here, even if it was kinda accidentally. 1 Respuesta(s)

Maybe Gast is lying under angry fusion man... vibrating? 🤣 2 Respuesta(s)

Just a little oversight. It can happen with hundreds of pages to color. ^^

I'll fix it.

Ja, aber auch erst durch Babidi (Seite 1397). Vorher konnte er das nicht.


Das ist korrekt, aber da hat Salagir sich dann später umentschieden, genau wie bei Janemba.

Danke für deinen netten Kommentar! :)

Falls du damit meinst, ob es noch weitere Specials über Universum 13 geben wird, dann ja. Ich weiß, dass seit längerem bereits die U13 Namek Saga in Arbeit ist, wieder von Ouv gezeichnet und von Xman34 coloriert. Wie weit das Ganze allerdings fortgeschritten ist, kann ich dir leider nicht beantworten. U13 ist für mich was Specials angeht, auch noch mit am interessantesten. Zusammen mit U3/U7/U9 und U11. :D 1 Respuesta(s)

Wird auf Seite 1713 erklärt. 1 Respuesta(s)

He doesn't have a tail anymore.

Die hat Roshi gegen Goku beim 21. Turnier verwendet:

Bekommt er nicht. In DBM bekommt nur noch Cell Zenkai Boosts. Sobald ein Saiyajin zum SSJ wird, bekommt er keine Zenkais mehr. Wurde aber auch schon vor Jahren mal von Salagir erwähnt. ^^

Son Bra hat gar nicht "Galactic Donut™" gerufen (Seite 1038 & Seite 1039). Gotenks wird sie verklagen. xD

Auch niedlich wie Pan sich freut, dass es Onkel Vegeta gut geht! :)

The black senzu bean doesn't control Vegetto. Salagir already confirmed that on the Q&A twitch stream. 1 Respuesta(s)

Vegeta will never not look weird without his gloves. :D


Yes, he's still training in the other dimension with Juna. 1 Respuesta(s)

Das dachte ich zuerst auch, aber dann wäre C18 ja nicht abgehauen und hätte gesagt, sie müsse XXI warnen (Seite 2629), wenn die alle telepathisch mit XXI in Verbindung stehen.

Vegeta sieht merkwürdig aus ohne seine Handschuhe. ^^

Cette couverture est une référence aux Moires de la mythologie grecque, qui personnifient le destin en filant, mesurant et coupant le fil de la vie humaine.

Puisque Son Bra affronte Eleim dans ce chapitre, elle décide en quelque sorte de son destin.

Voici quelques informations supplémentaires sur les déesses :

Clotho (la Fileuse / Son Bra de gauche) : Elle file le fil de la vie à partir de son fuseau.
Atropos (l’Inéluctable / Son Bra du milieu) : Elle coupe le fil avec ses ciseaux, déterminant ainsi le moment et la manière de la mort.
Lachésis (la Répartitrice / Son Bra de droite) : Elle mesure le fil et fixe la durée ainsi que la nature de la vie d’une personne.

Nous espérons que cette couverture vous plaira ! 😊 1 Respuesta(s)

Dieses Cover ist eine Anspielung auf die Moiren aus der griechischen Mythologie, die das Schicksal verkörpern, indem sie den Lebensfaden der Menschen spinnen, messen und schließlich durchtrennen.

Da Son Bra in diesem Kapitel gegen Eleim kämpft, entscheidet sie im Grunde über sein Schicksal.

Hier noch einige Informationen zu den Göttinnen:

Klotho („Die Spinnerin“ / linke Son Bra): Sie spinnt den Lebensfaden von ihrer Spindel.
Atropos („Die Unabwendbare“ / mittlere Son Bra): Sie schneidet den Faden mit ihrer Schere durch und bestimmt so Zeitpunkt und Art des Todes.
Lachesis („Die Zuteilerin“ / rechte Son Bra): Sie misst den Faden und legt die Länge sowie die Beschaffenheit eines Lebens fest.

Wir hoffen, euch gefällt das Cover! :)

This cover is a reference to the Moirai from Greek mythology, who personify destiny by spinning, measuring, and cutting the thread of human life.

Since Son Bra fights Eleim in this chapter, she is basically deciding his destiny.

Some more info about the goddesses:

Clotho ("The Spinner"/left Son Bra): Spins the thread of life from her spindle.
Atropos ("The Inevitable"/middle Son Bra): Cuts the thread with her shears, determining the moment and manner of death.
Lachesis ("The Allotter"/right Son Bra): Measures the thread and determines the length and nature of a person's life.

We hope you like the cover! :) 2 Respuesta(s)

Ideally, we would like to release simultaneously in french and english. But I still can't tell you when. For now Arctika still focuses on the main DBM novel, to get the whole tournament part done. 1 Respuesta(s)

Malheureusement, cela arrive parfois : des personnages entiers disparaissent derrière les bulles de dialogue. C’est aussi pour cette raison que nous avons rendu les bulles légèrement transparentes.

Petite anecdote : nous avons dû redessiner tous les éléments situés derrière les bulles sur chaque page des chapitres précédents (idem pour le deuxième chapitre de flashback) car nous ne disposions pas des versions haute définition de ces anciennes pages.

Kurze Info:

Ab sofort werden wir alle 2 Wochen ein neues Kapitel veröffentlichen, bis wir aufgeholt haben. Immer am 1. des Monats und am 15. um 18 Uhr. Selbiges gilt für den DBM Novel.

Viel Spaß beim Lesen und vielen Dank für eure Geduld! ☺️

Kurze Info:

Ab sofort werden wir alle 2 Wochen ein neues Kapitel veröffentlichen, bis wir aufgeholt haben. Immer am 1. des Monats und am 15. um 18 Uhr. Selbiges gilt für den Buu Novel.

Viel Spaß beim Lesen und vielen Dank für eure Geduld! ☺️

Ok, I can believe the rest of your explanation regarding Cooler being able to IT, but the part that he mastered it better than Goku... I don't know about that, bud. 😅 3 Respuesta(s)

Would you like to help us coloring?

Wow, Uub looks so different now! 😲

Just kidding, I couldn't resist. 🤣


Did you skip the whole Majin Son Bra arc? Or how do you explain Bra killing both Gohans and Cell, who are way stronger than this Vegeta? 🤔 1 Respuesta(s)

Ich habe die Comics alle selber übersetzt... Die Wörter, die hier mit * Sternchen * markiert sind, sind Wörter die fettgedruckt sein sollen (als Hinweis für denjenigen der die Seiten exportiert). Überprüfe die englische Version, dort war es zumindest noch bis zur letzten Seite der Fall und ich habe das dann einfach weiter übernommen.

Leider haben wir es noch nicht geschafft die Seiten richtig zu lettern und zu exportieren, deshalb sieht das momentan noch so aus.

Edit: Ich habe den englischen Text gerade mal selber bei ChatGPT eingegeben und da kommt was ganz anderes raus, als ich geschrieben habe... aber gut. Wenn dir meine Übersetzung nicht gefällt, kein Problem. Aber bitte keine falschen Behauptungen aufstellen.

Hier der Text von ChatGPT:

How do you know that? For me it definitely looked like the life-stop (not time-stop) wasn't active anymore.

It cannot be Uub. If you guys paid a little more attention, you would get to this conclusion yourself, but let me explain it again real quick:

Most of you seem to forget that Uub was in that parallel dimension for almost two years. In other words, by the time he returns with Juna on page 2565, another full day has already passed compared to where we currently are in the story.

Uub goes to train with Buu (page 1977), 1 year and 4 months pass (page 2549), a few more months go by (page 2557) — that makes roughly 2 years (page 2564)= 2 days.

At the tournament: After Uub goes to Buu, which was at the third day, right after the Majin rebellion, probably pretty late in the day. The third night of rest happens (page 2161), where U18 wonders where Uub is. Then we get the semifinal with Goku vs. Vegeta, the I'k'l incident, and Gast vs. XXI. The final follows shortly after, along with the Vargas’ award ceremony. We can assume that all of this happens in the late morning or around noon. Even if we’re being very generous, at most a single full day has passed by the time of the tournament final — while Uub is still in the middle of training with Juna. From the final match up to this current point, not much time passes either. And within that one day in which Uub is still stuck in the parallel dimension, a lot can still happen. Don't forget that the whole Majin rebellion only lasted like 20 minutes at max. The whole part before Majin Son Bra appeared, only lasted 9 minutes and 34 seconds, according to #16 (page 1556). It might feel longer for us readers, but in-universe, not much time passes.

We won’t be seeing Uub again for quite a while. So basically, what we see at the last panel of page 2161, is exactly what Uub is doing currently.


And where exactly would he teleport, if he can't feel anyone's ki? 4 Respuesta(s)

You remember that correctly.

To warn XXI? It doesn't hurt to know your enemies' weaknesses, right? But honestly, using a bit of common sense, he should make the conclusion himself. Namekians use magic, Vegeta knows Namekians. He should be able to add 1+1. Ok, to be fair the Namekians don't use magic to counter the Life-Stop, but I think you get the gist. But the way he phrased it, it sounds like he thinks they are holding an actual magical object for the counter. Same as #18 on page 2629.


No, it's true. Asura changed his style slightly over the last two chapters. And honestly, while I support him finding his own style, I also preferred the old style which was closer to Toriyama's. 1 Respuesta(s)

Yes, speech bubbles change depending on the character and tone of what's being said.

Majin Son Bra, does have angular bubbles, but normally not. Piccolo does have angular bubbles too, same as Vegeta for example. It's also interesting to note, that U13 Vegeta's bubbles here have a slightly different shape than usual, most likely because he's in the "frozen" area. Characters like Gohan and Goku usually always have round bubbles.

XXI also has a very unique bubble shape.

Vegeta kann hier nicht sterben, da er später noch in Bardock's Vision auftaucht (Seite 418). Wir haben noch nicht gesehen, wie Son Bra Goku und Vegeta sagt, dass niemand ihren Vater aufhalten kann. Es ist stark davon auszugehen, dass die Dragon Balls vorerst nicht dafür verwendet werden, um irgendjemanden wiederzubeleben. Das wird höchstwahrscheinlich erst am Ende dieses Arcs passieren.


Ganz einfach... weil es logisch ist, wenn man das Ganze mal kurz durchrechnet. Ich wiederhole meinen Kommentar von letzter Seite:

"Ich sehe andauernd Leute, die sowas sagen. Aber ihr vergesst, dass Uub fast 2 Jahre in dieser Paralleldimension war. Sprich, als er mit Juna auf Seite 2565 zurückkehrt, ist bereits ein weiterer Tag vergangen, als wir uns hier momentan befinden.

Uub geht zu Buu zum trainieren (Seite 1977), 1 Jahr und 4 Monate vergehen (Seite 2549), ein paar weitere Monate vergehen (Seite 2557) = ungefähr 2 Jahre (Seite 2564).

Beim Turnier: Nachdem Uub zu Buu gegangen ist, kommt zwischendurch die dritte Nachtruhe (Seite 2161), wo sich U18 wundert, wo Uub bleibt. Dann kommt das Halbfinale mit Goku vs Vegeta, der I'k'l Zwischenfall und Gast vs XXI, das Finale folgt dann kurz darauf und die Siegerehrung der Vargas. Wir können davon ausgehen, dass all das am Vormittag oder gegen Mittag passiert. Wenn wir ganz großzügig sind, dann ist also bis zum Finale des Turniers maximal ein ganzer Tag vergangen, wo Uub noch mitten im Training mit Juna steckt. Vom Finale bis zu diesem Zeitpunkt hier vergeht auch nicht viel Zeit. Und innerhalb dieses einen Tages in dem Uub noch in der Paralleldimension festhängt, kann jetzt noch viel passieren. Uub werden wir noch ein Weilchen nicht mehr wiedersehen."

Uub isn't even back yet, it will still roughly take one day for him to arrive. Since he was almost two years (two days in this dimension) in that other dimension and from the point he left to train with Buu, until the end of the tournament/current events, only one day has passed.

Das ist keine Vorraussetzung für die Technik, oder wie erklärst du Goku's Warp-Kamehameha gegen Cell? Die zwei Finger an der Stirn wurden sonst meist nur zur Konzentration genutzt, wenn weite Strecken zurückgelegt werden. 1 Respuesta(s)

No tengo ni idea de qué hablas. El color es el mismo de siempre...

Mira la page 309 o la page 423.

Ist Absicht, schau dir die französische Seite an. Soll halt versteckt wirken.

Yes, you are. 😉
Gojita said it pretty well. I have nothing more to add.

Also, I agree with what Ammar said.


Can you please show me when I said that? I never said such a thing.

There are also things I don’t like about DBM. But that's my opinion. Others might see it differently and actually like what I dislike. That doesn't instantly make Salagir a bad writer. 1 Respuesta(s)

This is exactly what I was talking about when I said some readers here jump to conclusions way too quickly... 😉 1 Respuesta(s)

What's even more crazy, is the fact that you seriously compare Gast's abilities to that of an ordinary Namekian. This Namekian is way too weak and his energy reserves are severely limited, it's a miracle he can still hold the protective bubble.


You can say that you think the story is bad. That's your opinion then. Stop twisting my words. The way you wrote it, was more like it's an established fact, that it is indeed "bad writing".

Sometimes it really makes me wonder how some of you guys, who keep repeating this bad writing phrase, would write a great story and why you don't have a comic released which is as popular as DBM is. 🤔 3 Respuesta(s)

Das nächste Kapitel ist wieder ein wenig kürzer, aber dennoch interessant.

Seid gespannt. 😁 1 Respuesta(s)

Damit hast du schon recht, aber ich finde das macht aus mehreren Gründen nicht viel Sinn. Pan hat den SSJ erst vor 2 Tagen erreicht und logischerweise noch lange nicht gemeistert/perfektioniert wie Goku & Gohan in der Cell Saga. Wenn sie jetzt plötzlich den SSJ2 erreichen würde, wäre das meiner Meinung nach viel zu schnell. Sicher wird sie den irgendwann erreichen, aber nicht hier. Mal ganz davon abgesehen, dass ihr das hier auch nicht viel bringen würde. Vegeta ist als dreifacher immer noch weitaus stärker als sie.

Wenn einer den SSJ2 wirklich verdient hat, dann wäre es Future Trunks. Ich hoffe, C16 hat ihn gerettet und die finden bald die Gruppe.


U18? Nein, die haben keine Senzus mitgenommen.

U16 hatte welche dabei, die sind aber seit dem Majin Arc aufgebraucht.

Ich sehe andauernd Leute, die sowas sagen. Aber ihr vergesst, dass Uub fast 2 Jahre in dieser Paralleldimension war. Sprich, als er mit Juna auf Seite 2565 zurückkehrt, ist bereits ein weiterer Tag vergangen, als wir uns hier momentan befinden.

Uub geht zu Buu zum trainieren (Seite 1977), 1 Jahr und 4 Monate vergehen (Seite 2549), ein paar weitere Monate vergehen (Seite 2557) = ungefähr 2 Jahre (Seite 2564).

Beim Turnier: Nachdem Uub zu Buu gegangen ist, kommt zwischendurch die dritte Nachtruhe (Seite 2161), wo sich U18 wundert, wo Uub bleibt. Dann kommt das Halbfinale mit Goku vs Vegeta, der I'k'l Zwischenfall und Gast vs XXI, das Finale folgt dann kurz darauf und die Siegerehrung der Vargas. Wir können davon ausgehen, dass all das am Vormittag oder gegen Mittag passiert. Wenn wir ganz großzügig sind, dann ist also bis zum Finale des Turniers maximal ein ganzer Tag vergangen, wo Uub noch mitten im Training mit Juna steckt. Vom Finale bis zu diesem Zeitpunkt hier vergeht auch nicht viel Zeit. Und innerhalb dieses einen Tages in dem Uub noch in der Paralleldimension festhängt, kann jetzt noch viel passieren. Uub werden wir noch ein Weilchen nicht mehr wiedersehen.

I think it's crazy how inflationary this phrase is being used, simply because someone doesn't agree with the direction the story is going.

I don't like the current story events -> it must be terrible writing.

You're free to be entitled to your opinion, but this phrase is just really overused at this point. I see other people liking where this is going. Are they objectively wrong now? I don't think so, this is all subjective.

Besides, people here tend to jump to conclusions way too quickly, instead of waiting to see the whole picture. 4 Respuesta(s)

Bueno, tengo que aclarar algo. Estoy usando un traductor para comunicarme. Tienes razón y te pido disculpas. No te quejaste en tu primer comentario en esta página; el traductor que uso lo hizo parecer así. A veces, el traductor puede meter la pata. Me corrijo.

Sin embargo, vi que solías quejarte mucho antes (un vistazo al historial de comentarios de tu perfil lo demuestra), por eso tenía ese sesgo y, de hecho, me dejaste una impresión negativa, lo admito.

Además, NUNCA dije que FUERAMOS a publicar una página cada día. Dije algo así como "es una fumada pensar que podríamos publicar una página cada día". Como acabo de explicar, seguimos añadiendo cosas nuevas, y eso lleva tiempo. Disfruta del cómic. ✌🏻 1 Respuesta(s)

«Hacemos lo que nos da la gana y se acabó»
Exacto, así es. Hacemos lo que queremos. Este es nuestro proyecto, no el tuyo. Puedes disfrutar de este contenido de alta calidad gratis aquí. Y si quieres seguir viendo este nivel de calidad, tienes que esperar, así de simple.

«¿Me quejo casi siempre no?»
Sí, lo haces. No me lo estoy inventando. Leo todos los comentarios aquí, en todos los idiomas. Siendo justos, de vez en cuando decías algo como "buen trabajo", pero te quejas mucho más de lo que elogias. 1 Respuesta(s)

Gore in comics is not bad, if it's done well and doesn't feel forced. I know that DB also had a good amount of violence and DBM tops even that sometimes. But c'mon you would never see a little girl like Pan die so horribly with that much gore. That's too much in my opinion. And I don't say that because I'm biased, because I also like DBM Pan a lot (GT Pan was absolutely insufferable). I say that generally. Such extreme violence against kids is too over the top for my taste. But hey, whatever floats your boat.


I absolutely agree, Pan is so adorable here and it's wholesome how Vegeta also seems to like and respect her a lot. Additionally it's cool how Gohan trusts Vegeta enough to let her go with him alone. As you see, he will do everything to protect her, even if the situation is dire.

Pero el comentario suena así: «En mi opinión el ritmo de lanzamiento es demasiado lento. ¿No te puedes dar prisa?»

Hacemos todo lo posible para publicar las páginas más rápido, pero la buena calidad lleva tiempo... después de todo, esto es mucho trabajo.

Además, no me sorprendería. Este usuario se queja casi siempre, según los comentarios que he visto aquí. 😉

It would look odd if it's completely black here in colors... Sometimes readers give me the impression, that we don't give a second thought about how we color our stuff here. 🤔


You should reread chapter chapter 64 & chapter 65. Also, Bardock saved Babidi from Gohan, so he can change the future.


Why would they be fully white?

¿Te quejas de publicar 4 páginas por semana? ¿Te parece demasiado lento? Creo que sigue siendo muy rápido.

Pronto aumentaremos la publicación a 5 páginas por semana, pero no puedo predecir cuándo. Aún tenemos bastantes cosas por añadir. 2 Respuesta(s)

Bardack vide questo nella sua visione. Quindi è ancora vero. 😜

Did you seriously wanted to see Pan explode like Son Bra exploded one of the Piccolo's on page 1725? Or how Cell exploded the Cell Jr. on page 482? That's kinda fucked up, man. 😮 2 Respuesta(s)

Wie hättest du den Hintergrund denn anders gemacht? Ernsthafte Frage. Manchmal bekomme ich das Gefühl, dass die Leute denken, wir machen uns bei sowas gar keine Gedanken. Es hatte schon einen Grund, warum wir das so gemacht haben, statt es ganz plump schwarz zu lassen.

Ich finde Panel 3 sieht absolut genial aus. Aber zum Glück sind Geschmäcker ja verschieden. 😜

Meinst du "unseren" Vegeta? Hätte er Pan jetzt sterben lassen sollen? 😐 1 Respuesta(s)

Korrekt. Es kann auch gar nicht vor DB sein, Mr. Satan ist nur ein Jahr älter als Goku. Bedeutet, beim 20. Turnier wäre er noch ein Kind gewesen. Und vom Canon her wurde er wie gesagt das erste Mal beim 24. Turnier Champion, was kurz vor den Cell Spielen passiert sein sollte. Videl hätte da auch schon so 10 sein sollen, aber hier wird sie erst geboren. Sprich, hier wurde was an der Timeline geändert.

Das 24. Turnier hat kurz vor den Cell Spielen stattgefunden, dort wurde Mr. Satan zum ersten Mal der Champion. Also ist das hier entweder ein retcon, und das Turnier hat viel früher stattgefunden als im Canon oder das ist einfach ein Flüchtigkeitsfehler in der Timeline. 1 Respuesta(s)

É realmente triste, e infelizmente não há muito que eu possa fazer a respeito. Isso depende da seção brasileira aqui. É especialmente triste, já que não exige muito esforço para corrigir isso; na verdade, facilitamos bastante a exibição das páginas coloridas em todos os idiomas, pois o texto original é copiado e colado automaticamente nas páginas coloridas.

>O włosach Son Bras

Jej włosy zawsze pozostają takie same, gdy transformuje się w zwykłego Super Saiyanina. Spójrz na page 147 & page 287

Przemieniła się w SSJ, gdy Buu szalał, te strony pojawiły się zaraz potem, a ona po prostu nie zmieniła się z powrotem (page 464).

And where is he "definitely" going to teleport, if he can't sense any ki? In case you forgot already, read again what Goku said in the last panel of page 2624. 2 Respuesta(s)

Ah yes, the classic retcon. If you don’t remember it, it never happened. Very powerful storytelling technique. The timing on your amnesia is pretty impeccable. I gotta hand it to ya. 😜


Oh, I'm fine. Thanks for your concern. What's affecting me here, is Jonathan's selective memory, when it comes in handy. He knows exactly what I'm talking about, he just doesn't want to admit it. See it as an inside joke. 😉 1 Respuesta(s)

On a second thought, it does seem kinda odd, I agree. The next thing we see is Vegeta randomly turning into a vampire or something like that.

It’s fascinating how some writers demand strict logic from others, yet seem both flexible and conveniently forgetful when reflecting on their own more experimental narrative ideas. I need whatever memory filter you’re using. Being able to forget your own plot decisions must be a blessing. At this point I’m not even sure if some stories even happened, or if we collectively imagined them and only one person forgot.

Honestly... forgetting a transformation is still more grounded than spontaneous zombification, so I’d say this story is doing pretty well so far! 😲 2 Respuesta(s)

Maybe Cooler's transformation is different in this comic. What if Vegeta kills him and Cooler randomly transforms into a zombie? I would like the plot to go in this direction, sounds like an interesting concept. 🤔 2 Respuesta(s)

Sorry, aber wenn du schon solche Behauptungen aufstellst, dann gehe bitte sicher, dass die auch stimmen. Auf Seite 546 sieht man ja wohl deutlich, dass Goku sich auch für einen geschwächten C17 in einen SSJ verwandelt.

Hilarious? I think you meant to say ridiculous. Or stupid. 😜

It's a good thing that we don't have such nonsense in DBM.


I'm on my way! 🤣👌🏻
On a side note, please don't double post (rule #9). You can edit your post, if you want to add something.


I wasn't being rude at all. I was just speaking facts. But I won't go into details about this now, since this goes off topic. 4 Respuesta(s)

Seite 1947 & Seite 2049.


Wie kommst du bitte darauf? Natürlich ist sie hier nur ein normaler SSJ. Sonst hätte sie noch längere Haare (so sahen ihre Haare schon immer aus im SSJ) und auch keine Augenbrauen. Das wäre ja auch absolut lächerlich, sie hat erst vor 2 Tagen den SSJ erreicht. 1 Respuesta(s)

Again, something seems off with the timeline here. If this was the 24th Budokai, which was the tournament where Mr. Satan became the world champion for the first time, it should be close to the Cell games. And if they aren't even married here yet, Videl also isn't born yet. Which doesn't make a lot of sense, since Videl should be around the same age as Gohan when he fought Cell. So which tournament was this? Obviously it wasn't Budokai 21-23. Unless it got retconned here and the 24th Budokai happened way earlier than in canon.


Of course... while writing this, I KNEW someone would say that. 🤣

Obviously it doesn't have to be the case here. But c'mon. In this case I'm pretty sure Videl is born after they marry.

Either way, what I said, still stands. If the 24th Budokai didn't happened way earlier here, then there is an error in the timeline. 3 Respuesta(s)

Erstens... was leaf gesagt hat. Zweitens, du kannst es ja "super dumm" finden, ändert nichts an der Tatsache, dass Salagir nun mal dieses Limit für DBM angesetzt hat. Lieber solch ein Limit, welches irgendwo Sinn macht, statt solch absolut unsinniges Powerscaling wie in DBS. 😜


Wie Andy bereits sagte, brauchen Goku und Vegeta eine Minute Zeit, um sich in den NSSJ zu verwandeln. Siehe Seite 2164/Seite 2165/ Seite 2507/Seite 2508.

Außerdem ist das nicht direkt ihre Basis Form, da sie in der Form quasi all ihre Kraft (SSJ3) auf einmal freisetzen können, ohne die negativen Effekte des hohen Energieverbrauchs zu haben.

Ich bin mir im Übrigen auch sicher, dass sie mit der Zeit diese eine Minute Konzentration auch noch reduzieren können, so dass sie sich sofort in den NSSJ verwandeln können. Bislang ist das ja auch nicht gerade nützlich in einem ernsthaften Kampf, wie man hier ja gerade sehen kann, werden einem die meisten Gegner dafür keine Zeit lassen.

Raditz doesn't say that SSJ2 U18 Vegeta is stronger than SSJ3 U13 Vegeta there. He says he saw Goku and the brats (Goten/Trunks) go SSJ3, so that's why logically Vegeta should be able to do the same. Since Vegeta is the strongest in their squad, they assume it's the same with U18. He never mentions or compares his Vegeta or any of his SSJ forms to U18 Vegeta. I honestly don't know how this statement gave you this conclusion.
Raditz logic is flawed there anyways. He can sense ki, he should realize that SSJ3 Gotenks is way stronger than Vegeta or Goku. 1 Respuesta(s)

As far as I remember, Nappa never said such a thing. At least not in the comic. But you can gladly prove me wrong by linking the page where he said that about U18 Vegeta.

If it's said in the novel, I don't remember that either. Also, some people here take the novel way too seriously. Unfortunately it includes several parts that are outright contradicting with the comic. The novel is by all means, NOT the holy bible of DBM. Please take information from there always with a grain of salt. 2 Respuesta(s)