Pinball was saying: ShadowMokujin was saying: Pinball was saying: ShadowMokujin was saying: This comic has made magic too strong when it should be ki or techniques in the forefront

The time freeze isn't magic, it's a technique similar to what Guldo used on Namek.


IKL version is magic not a technique and unlike guldo who has heavy limitations on his time stop IKL can use it indefinitely with no limit even while he was dying

And again magic is too strong in this comic and I believe the OC's are getting away with too much also

Guldo was limited because the technique required him to breath. I'K'L was an artificial being and doesn't require breathing, that's why he was able to use it until he was destroyed.
I'K'L's timestop doesn't work anything like Guldo's. If anything it's closer to turning living beings into breakable glass

Pinball was saying: ShadowMokujin was saying: This comic has made magic too strong when it should be ki or techniques in the forefront

The time freeze isn't magic, it's a technique similar to what Guldo used on Namek.


IKL version is magic not a technique and unlike guldo who has heavy limitations on his time stop IKL can use it indefinitely with no limit even while he was dying

And again magic is too strong in this comic and I believe the OC's are getting away with too much also

This comic has made magic too strong when it should be ki or techniques in the forefront

What do you guys think of Goku winning the tournament against xxi in the end? Because it looks like Gast will lose this

It is both cliche and fitting for this manga, it would be a true celebration of dragon ball. Goku finding out how to save the day like he always does, it would be cool.

Fight will go 50/50, heavy magick, backstory with them, Gast killed him in his Universe, etc

Halfway through Vegetto will snap and everyone including XI will have to help

rapidge was saying:
It wasn't until recently I realized that Goku never actually beat Vegeta...this was a big deal.


He kinda did.

He was superior to Vegeta on Namek. Even went Supersaiyan. Could have defeated Vegeta there any Moment he wanted.

He was superior to Vegeta on the Cell Games. Could have defeated Vegeta there any Moment he wanted.

When he was knocked out by Majin Vegeta in the early Buu Saga - Goku thought they wouldn't "fight" anymore. So i can hardly count that as a genuine Loss. Also Goku could have went Supersaiyan Three and would have been superior once again.

He k~iiinnnda lost that one Time in the hyperbolic Liontamer, shortly before Vegeta angered Gohan enough so that Gohan threatened to murder Vegeta. (lol) This is already DBM-Fictiom, right ?
In the Hyperbolic Liontamer back there, Goku could have ALSO went Supersaiyan Three and would have defeated Vegeta quickly there.


And now ... ... ... this.

Seriously we will NEVER see Vegeta clearly beat Goku FOREVER - when both are pretty much equal AND are using the same State, Level, etc.



Maybe that is an "okay thing/Rule" of the Dragon Ball Universe - but that doesn't make it any less annoying.

Are we supposed to feel sorry for her cuz I definitely don’t