It's a puzzle to me that this worked on Gast. Vegeta had no problem taking out Android 19.

I'm wondering if this is the final straw for Vegito. Maybe he'll finally snap and go on the foreseen rampage. 1 Replie(s)

The varga asks a good question. Is he even the same species as his mother?

He looks like his dad was buu.

*Angry Piccolo noises* 1 Replie(s)

The bucket full of ki isn't a bad idea but it's not a great analogy. I'd go with: SSJ3 is a bucket full of ki with a large hole in it. This form has no hole and that's what makes it different from SSJ3. 1 Replie(s)

Goku being able to channel all his power through two fingers doesn't strike me as unusual for dragon ball. Heck, there are multiple deadly beam attacks that only use one or two fingers.

Usually when they struggle against a ball of ki with their palms, it's because the ball of ki is far stronger than they are. 2 Replie(s)

It's a good question honestly.

This is getting me hyped for a Gogeta appearance.

Do you recall when? I don't remember that at all. 1 Replie(s)

I don't see the issue.

Vegeta unlocked SSJ2 during the time skip between Cell and Buu sagas after seeing Gohan do it. This is the same thing but with mystic.

All we need now is for Goku to be secretly hiding a long-haired version of this form, and it's a carbon copy of the buu saga.

If I recall correctly, part of Whis' training was to stop leaking their ki and that was when they first transformed into blue. When they trained inside Whis' staff, the staff wouldn't let them move at all if they leaked any ki.

Ultra instinct is not about containing ki. It's about moving without thinking.

I think that's actually from Toyotaro's old works, before he become Toriyama's successor.

Honestly, Vegeta winning this just wouldn't be dragon ball's style.

I would like Vegeta to beat Goku in Toriyama's works, not in a fan series.

So true.

The main cast in Future Trunks timeline just completely lost all intelligent thought because the plot demanded it.

I doubt it, but I would love to see it. 1 Replie(s)

They already killed Cell.

After Trunks failed to return, Bulma found Cell. But a silent alarm brought the androids there and they killed both Bulma and larval Cell.

I don't know what's so difficult to understand about this.

Universe 14's Future Trunks went back in time to Universe 17 where Gohan was defeated by Perfect Cell. So Future Trunks never returned to his own timeline and no one stopped the androids.

That's a really weird explanation. After Trunks failed to return, she just randomly went back to the lab and discovered the secret basement? 1 Replie(s)

I think Kongming5 was asking about Universe 14.

Universe 14's Trunks time traveled to Universe 17 and died. He never returned to universe 14, so the androids are still alive, and Imperfect Cell should be too.

I don't think there is an official explanation of what happened to that Cell. 1 Replie(s)

If only sixteen hadn't stopped him. He almost turned into Broly. His pupils even disappeared. 1 Replie(s)

It's not an oversight. Kakarotto learned both of them on Earth. He taught Raditz. Pages 1130 and 1131.

Presumably the same way Vegeta did. Vegeta just heard it was possible and started trying it out for himself. An arc later he was competent enough to dispose of his scouter.

In the manga, when "mighty mask" went super saiyan, 18 dodged one ki blast and then immediately ended the fight by cutting "mighty mask" in half. There was no reason to assume they're comparable to her in strength.

If you go by the utter nonsense in the films and anime then you could make a case for all kinds of nonsense. Those writers never even tried to be consistent.


The androids appeared on the exact same day in both timelines. In Future Trunks timeline Goku had already died of the heart virus. After Goku died Gero had no reason to keep working on them. But in the main timeline Goku was still alive on that day. So the main timeline androids do have a reason to be stronger. 1 Replie(s)

Dozens? I think Vegeta's pride is talking out his ass. 4 Replie(s)

Yet Vegeta just looks normal for some reason? Early Z Vegeta had a giant forehead.

I never really thought about how bad this would be for Future Trunks. Cell, Frieza, the androids, and multiple evil Vegetas are all in this tournament.

The characters seem to believe that alternate timelines and alternate universes are the same thing.

But considering Zen Buu hasn't returned to the tournament (yet), the characters could be wrong.

lol? In the original manga Bulma gets her top pulled down and you see everything. There's also a scene where kid Goku goes fishing in the nude and puts everything on display. 2 Replie(s)

I'm pretty sure he's trolling buu with the candy Vegito moment. 1 Replie(s)

Vegito probably could one-shot Buu's body. But I doubt that's going to get him anywhere when Buu is scattered all over the place.

Grand Supreme Kai seriously believes Buu is unstoppable to the point of not even trying? Gast's technique surely could have just ended Buu.

He may not be controlling it. He could have just broken it before his fight. He could easily fix it later. There's also the question of - would being forced to return to his universe even stop him? He has been around this tech for a while and there's no reason to believe he can't copy it.

I'm not sure I like the idea of Cell's core moving around. He's not got a Buu-like body or anything.

I understand the need for an explanation. After all, Cell famously regenerated his upper body despite his core officially being in his head, but I prefer the idea that Cell has more than one core. It seems more fitting for an insect-like monster. 1 Replie(s)

Wow Buu. Cleanup makes sense, but reviving people? What did he do, absorb Shenron?

>ZenBuu

>Also I'm pretty sure that Cell has his stamina limits too...

Cell has the unique and nonsensical ability to regain all his stamina after a full body regeneration and a zenkai. Namekians/saiyans would need to recover after regeneration/zenkai. But not Cell.

Considering Frieza could survive for a while whilst diced, this shouldn't impact Cold much at all.