XXI is officially a cheater.

Is this really the end for Gast?

Don't forget baddack's vision, that we haven't seen yet.

Gohan holding a piece of a dragon ball, stating, "as long as we have this, he won't get his wish".

Who does he mean by "he"? Will they prevent XXI's wish to acces all universes by just destroying a dragon ball?
Does Vegetto want to make a wish for himself?

How do they even destroy a dragon ball? Will they kill porunga, just a King Piccolo did kill shenron?

And Vegetto needs a valid reason to go beserk, or else the vargas will send him back to U16. Maybe all the Multiverse will be at stake because XXI wins and Vegetto is livid about the U1 incompetence?

Nobody has to read all this as it is quite long but In the nicest way possible this would be a terrible way to end the story

Ok. I allowed people to have their way all things considered.

But now we need to get back to being on topic.

kakaditz defused, and vegeta ssj3 looks really beat up. I'm assuming they could just keep fighting and wallop him until he's dead, but if this is still before ikl, they have to leave him be or somehow ssj3 vegeta is still stronger despite his weakened state.

Kakarotto wanting to kill humans in any universe vs Raichi wanting to exterminate the Saiyans in every universe.
Who is more xenophobic/genocidal?

hang on, since when can a fusion fuse with a fusion!? or do the elder kaioshin has someone that can fuse with raditz? whos gonna be that person?

Remember, Goku had a lifetime of specialized training, by the time he faced Raditz, Raditz was way beyond him mostly because of raw power. An argument can be made that Raditz has more potential than Goku

I'm curious what his maximum is. I assume he is at least stronger than U13 Vegeta even in SSJ 3 since thats kinda what he wanted right?

i dont really know how the latent power thing works, but if is potential that unlocks, raditz being goku's brother, his potential should be high, even if the character didnt use it. could be a joke, but i do think this raditz (which is already more powerful than the original dbz raditz) has to at the very least be on the level of an ssj2. that is the minimun level he should have unless this is a joke, but i dont think this is a joke

Aww, this is nice. He found his hope (somewhat). It is sad though knowing what happens to Gohan, guess being a "master" is not a good thing in the Mirai timelines cause they all seem to die.

FishNChips was saying: With new generations there will be new hope.
Awesome, touching moment!

But yeah.. who taught Trunks to fly? He just learned on his own? Now that's potential.

Maybe Vegeta beat it into him at 9 Months old, "If your old enough to crawl your old enough to fly!" - Vegeta, probably.

Dang emo needs some tequila so he can go el blanco already

No yamcha I love I K L, let it alive. we will scape together

Oof! Now perhaps the time-freeze spell is broken

Even better than a Kamehameha the Soukidan!

Although as much as I enjoy this fight I am hoping this is coming to an end soon so we can get back to the tournament.

unless Uub figures out a way to travel between them.

I don't like the last page. The afterlife is NOT what you want it to be. There is NO afterlife. Let's face death as it is: the eternal ending of our existence.

Sounds like Cell

I'K'L: I have to protect everyone..!!.. by killing them!!

Why were people last page calling I'K'L a joke character, by the way? They were MAKING jokes about I'K'L being so late, but I don't think that should make them as a whole a "Joke Character"

Please open up a pateron or donations website. Then Donors could vote for what universe specials then want to see.

ShadyDoorags was saying: Where on Earth did this Vegeto come from? The dude has been going on and on about wanting a proper challenge and suddenly he's salty that his two halves are capable of producing said challenge? I was expecting him to secretly make a deal with for U18 to make Gogeta and fight him. From what we've seen thus far, he has three main triggers, Bra being a senseless murderer, people looking down on him, and not being able to get a proper challenge. He should be ecstatic that others are potentially catching up to him.

Also, the logic as to why they thought of a new form should not be this mysterious to him. There's no one in his universe to test his strength on, this has been established multiple times.

Very good points. I feel like Salagir can't make up his mind with Vegetto and keeps flip-flopping. But this is a fanmade webcomic, I don't expect it to be 100% consistent. Even the canon material has tons of contradictions.. so maybe in that sense it's par for the course.

p4ran0id was saying: The fight was amazing but I'm not sure if this power can really be used in another fight. Don't forget the beginning, both of them needed lot of time to get in this state, I don't think XXI or Ghast will wait that long. So that amazing power has a very big handy cap and is only suited to fight Vegeta since he needs same amount of time

I don't see why he can't enter that state before the round starts.

One of the biggest benefits of the state is it wastes virtually no power, so in theory, he could walk around like that if he was willing to concentrate the whole time.

Also, it's a new state for him. With more mastery he can probably enter it a lot faster.

I think this is the finishing blow. After everything it came down to a single punch to end it but we'll see. They still have legs.

A legendary fight, teased for YEARS. it will feel better when u read it back. I have no doubt both will die soon

Goku is a water type and he's totally weak against fire types, this could go either way guys

Maybe a real SSJ Kaioken? This new ssj form not sure what it is called but I will call it True SSJ. True SSJ combined with Kaioken could push Goku up to near SSJ Vegito tier if he was at full power. But it is likely that he is struggling more from the strain of trying to hold back the attack from Vegeta here.

How did the stone not break to atoms when Vegeta kicked it? Bad writing...

To be honest this has become boring. Nothing really happened and it's too repetitive: they get 1 punch, fall, it looks like it's over but they get up, give 1 punch and so on. And the pacing is really slow, every page is just one punch.
I was glad to see the battle continue in the beginning of the chapter but it lasts way too much. It has no point anymore

Amazing art. I hope this becomes self aware- like the next page is people standing in the concession line because those two just keep going back and forth.

Also, holding out hope that Pan's comment about being able to see them is her somehow instinctively copying this mystic+ technique and not them slowing down. "The Ultimate Warrior, Pan" would make a nice spinoff. She could battle her evil nemesis, Bra.

What fight is after this? I forgot.

How does it make sense, position wise?
They teleported while aiming each other, right?
V = Vegeta, G = Goku, LE = Left Energy Ball, RE = Right Energy Ball

— ---V
LE--------RE
— ---G

Let's assume they both teleported to the Right Energy Ball, what the f were Vegeta aiming at? In the first picture, they both aiming at each other at the perfect angle, so if we base on my earlier assumption, If Vegeta didn't know where Goku would teleport to, Vegeta would punch the ball towards the audience, but if he knew Goku would teleport at the same direction as he would send the energy ball to, then he wouldn't make the mistake.


LE-----V-RE-G

Nebenbei denke ich, wenn der Kampf weitergegangen wäre, dass Vegeta trotzdem gewonnen hätte (solange Goku nicht den SSJ3 nutzt, sollte klar sein).

Gut, die meisten hier mögen DBS nicht (inklusive mir), aber jetzt haben wir bitte auch genug darüber gesprochen. Ich mag das wirklich nicht wenn andauernd Vergleiche mit DBM und DBS gezogen werden. Es ist total unnötig und auch irgendwann gegen Regel #2.

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Hoerrinho sagte: Infernape2244 sagte: Ich glaube wir sind am Ende des "Flashbacks" angekommen. Das wirkt auf jeden Fall jetzt so als wenn Goku den finalen Schlag rausholen will.

Es wäre natürlich auch sehr heftig wenn der Kampf dennoch nicht vorbei wäre und wir "nur" das Warm up gerade hatten.

Wenn das dieser Schlag wäre, dann wäre der Kampf definitiv noch lange nicht vorbei...

Aber der Wassertropfen ist noch nicht mal bei der Hälfte

Was ich mich die ganze Zeit schon frage - sind die 2 jetzt so unglaublich stark und schnell, wenn nicht mal bra alles mitbekommen hat? Eigentlich müsste es ja so sein, aber der boost wäre doch dann viel zu krass?

Hat sich vegeto geärgert weil sie ihn übertroffen haben damit oder nur weil er diese Form nicht kann?
Niemals haben sie Vegetto hier (einzeln) übertroffen, vollkommen unmöglich. Der Typ ist allen anderen Lichtjahre voraus. Höchstens Buu kam da ran von der reinen Power her. Und da auch nur an seinen SSJ2.

Die beiden sind jetzt circa so stark wie Gohan, vielleicht etwas stärker, vielleicht auch ein klein wenig schwächer. Schwer zu sagen, aber ich denke fast sie sind etwas stärker. Sonst hätte man das ganze anders dargestellt. Vegetto war überrascht, weil die beiden etwas geschafft haben, woran er (aufgrund eines mangelnden Trainingspartners und seiner Arroganz mit "du musst nur 1000x stärker als dein Gegner sein"-Attitüde) niemals gedacht hat. Oder vielleicht dachte er es ist möglich, hat sich aber nie wirklich bemüht diese Form zu erreichen. Ihm kann ja sowieso niemand das Wasser reichen.

Die andere Frage ist, was ist wenn Goku und Vegeta in dieser Form tatsächlich fusionieren. Gogeta würde Vegetto vermöbeln mMn. Außerdem bin ich fast sicher das diese Form hier noch nicht ganz vollendet ist und das da noch mehr kommen kann.

Kantax sagte: Gast sagte: Ich mag wie ZenBuu das „am Ende“ in „ gesetzt hat.
Endlich die Revange für Vegeta! Er hat es einfach verdient.
na ja auf 2170 steht eindeutig "eine halbe Sekunde vor Kampfende" daher ist es schon warscheinlich das der Schlag den wir zu Anfang gesehen haben der letzte war, nur wer jetzt gewinnt wissen wir nicht
Dort kann man easy mit Semantik herum spielen. "Eine halbe Sekunde vor (diesem) Kampfende". Wenn Uub es schaffte (oder zumindest versucht hat) gegen Goku aufzustehen, warum sollte Vegeta das nicht schaffen? Die können locker noch eine zweite Runde rauflegen. Saiyajins sind extrem widerstandsfähig. Bis jetzt wurde ja auch noch kein Gewinner offiziell von den Vargas anerkannt. Die genannte Seite ist ohnehin ne Troll page und wer Salagir mittlerweile kennt, der weiß wie gern er manchmal verarscht bzw jemanden auf die falsche Fährte führt.

Im englischen Bereich zB regen sich ja viele auf, dass uns das Ende gespoilert wurde und wir den Gewinner bereits kennen. Nein, kennen wir nicht. Nicht, solange die Vargas das nicht offiziell ankündigen, wie bei jedem anderen Kampf.

p4ran0id sagte: Hmmm ich revidiere mein vote von der Umfrage, wenn es um Selbstkontrolle auf dem lvl geht, dann dürfte vegeta Goku überlegen sein
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Sag mir nicht, dass du deinen Kommentar nicht editieren konntest... normalerweise hätte ich deinen zweiten Kommentar jetzt wortlos gelöscht.

Übrigens hat Salagir im englischen Bereich gesagt, dass SSJ plus Kaioken niemals in DBM passieren wird!

i-i-i-i-i-nteresting!
It's not like the very idea of a Multiverse is original either (Dragonball Heroes anyone?).

Ich bin ... ... ... ... nicht enttäuscht, muss ich sagen. Ich hab irgendwie an etwas anderes gedacht : aber das hier ist auch genial.

" Neue Kraft ? "

Da bin ich aber mal gespannt. Und i-wie habe ich das Gefühl, dass da gerade Seite um Seite nochmal Zeit geschindet wird. >;-)