Doesn't canon Piccolo do the same though?

No cóż... miała to być żółta kula. Ale ta strona była pokolorowana dawno temu i zapomnieliśmy zmienić kolor. Ups. xD

Phipsil was talking to the big guy that got Majinized. The name "Narub" went to him on page 1346 onwards.

Ummmm... yes? 17 and 18 always hated Gero and never obeyed him. Why it will be different in this universe? Gero only activated them in the manga because he had no other choice.


For what purpose he will do that? His plan was to kill Goku. When Goku was already dead, he took it out on his son. Why would he trouble himself to make a cyborg out of him when he already won.


Again, I know having Cyborg Gohan will make the story interesting, but Gero had no reason to turned him into one. If anything, he should still have Cell in the lab. 1 Réponse(s)

Tell us nothing Gohan wasn't a cyborgs? I'm sure none expected Krillin to be alive and Gohan the one who is dead. Everyone thought the earth is in ruins just like the the "future" universes, but it from what we saw so far, that doesn't seems the case. So, I don't know what you mean by "tells us nothing".


Look, I know that "Cyborgs Gohan" sounds cool, but it doesn't make sense in this universe. Like, why the hell would Dr. Gero risk making Gohan a cyborgs when he had a bad experience with #17 & #18? It just doesn't make sense. Killing him the logical option.

It may be depressing for things to go this way, but it's logical. 1 Réponse(s)

Fun fact: Loopwhirl used to be called Narub. Some languages like the Brazilian section still didn't change the name yet:

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Lol! Yeah, I was baffled too. xD

Both Loopwhirl and Nedwook are both stablished characters at this point onwards (Even though Salagir didn't decides on their names yet on this page). It wouldn't make sense to replace them.

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Do you now see why we colored clothes the same,Bombero? :)

But if we did that, U18 Trunks will look stupid on this page

The thing is, you're not supposed to tell them apart in this fight. Just like U18 Videl confusing U16 Gohan for her Gohan. xD



However, Salagir start to differentiate some of them. Despite wearing different outfit, Son Bra now keeps her hair down so she can look completely different from U18 Bra. U16 is now wearing Piccolo's cloth, and U16 is no longer wearing his glasses.

For example, we don't need to guess from which universe this Gohan is:




Well, at least she's now less insufferable. xD

You're not the only one. Gotenks is so annoying. But little does Bra knows, she's as insufferable as he is if not more. xD 1 Réponse(s)

Year 772. 2 years before Babidi showed up in the manga.

Videl is also only a human and the daughter of a normal human. Yet there she was fighting a 3rd form Cold and killing a Cell Jr (With help). The only reason I can think this Trunks is not as strong as Videl is because he's slacking on training.

That's Salagir. xD

Why would there be one? They're complete strangers. All U13 Vegeta knew that his U18 counterpart married an earthling, he doesn't know whom she is.

What I said is not a theory at all. what Future 17 said to Future Gohan wasn't to show that what Future Trunks said is wrong, just to show how Future Gohan was killed.

Grydon summarize it perfectly in his comment:

You're talking like The present Androids were going full power against Future Trunks. Future Trunks comparing his offscreen battles to the present Androids, against the future ones he manged to put up a fight.

I don't know why people keep bring that up, that scene wasn't meant to correct Future Trunks statement, it was just to show how Future Gohan was killed. 1 Réponse(s)

But he did want to absorb Broly. He just wasn't that serious about it and got over it real quick when he failed. 1 Réponse(s)

The answer to XXI's question was actually so simple.



How to beat Gast easily? Just summon a being stronger than him and unaffected by his magic.

Sounds so simple now that I think about it... 1 Réponse(s)

Vegetto was never hurt. He never used SSJ2 nor SSJ3. All this was said because we the readers never seen him do that or get wounded.

I think that was what on Salagir's mind at the time. The characters reflect on what we the readers saw in the manga/anime. We didn't see him go beyond SSJ, we didn't see him get serious in a fight. We didn't see him get hurt. It is the first for all of these things for U16 crew because it is the first time for us.

Me alegra ver que os gusta la portada. :)


Jajaja, te estás concentrando mucho en ella. Hay una en el grupo que parecía más que ella. ;)

Nous sommes heureux que cela vous plaise. :)

Some people has no idea how much effort it is to get to this level of quality. The first panel by itself is a work of art.

Also, if you pay attention to details, you should notice the difference about the last two panels. :) 1 Réponse(s)

I wasn't planning on replying but I couldn't with your ignorance.

Yes, what you see on this page is a herculean task. Coloring at this level is very hard and it takes longer than drawing the page most of the time.

If you think otherwise than I dare you to color the second panel of this page at the same level or better than HomolaGábor. See? I'm not asking for the whole page, just the second panel. It should be easy since coloring is like buying a colored comic, right?

Let's see how fast and efficient you do it.

3 references? Is one of them the one in the Red Ribbon arc?



Because if it is then here, Bulma's mother is calling out her daughter for being insecure rather than suggesting Yamcha was cheating.

The other one I can think about was at the start of DBZ where Krillin and Master Roshi ask Bulma about Yamcha? Yeah, she didn't mention he was cheating on her, she was pissed at him but she didn't specify the reason.

And the third I believe is Future Trunks infamous line? Yeah, I guess that's the only "prove" of Yamcha being unfaithful.


"Yamcha wasn't always faithful" Jeez! I wish if you could have showed me examples of Yamcha acting unfaithful or flirting with other women in the manga. Oh wait! They don't exist! My bad.

And honestly, when in it comes to being faithful, Bulma is the last one to talk:

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I thought Yamash is supposed to be Ash from Pokemon, not Brock. xD

(Also, that's totally inaccurate how Yamcha was in the manga, but whatever) 2 Réponse(s)

Okay, so this is happening at the moment Buu was sealed. Still, the "The Multiverse Tournament, an hour ago..." is very confusing. I'm assuming this chapter was supposed to come before chapter 93? 1 Réponse(s)

Thank you for your kind words, Ouv! :D

We're glad you like it. :)

Here, let me make it better (or worse xD):



Art by Asura: link 7 Réponse(s)

Again, all respect to Stef84 (the one who colored the original page), but their style is different from ours, which is why we re-colored it. 1 Réponse(s)

Fixed. Thanks for pointing it out. :)

No, there's no more senzu beans.



Nothing can save him from that, he's going to die. 1 Réponse(s)

And kill Vegetto!!! 2 Réponse(s)

@ShadyDoorags

See? He didn't kill him in the previous page. Now, apologies to the great Yamcha! >:(

I never noticed King Piccolo in the first panel until I colored this page. xD

I just noticed Salza's armor is drawn wrong on the left side... 1 Réponse(s)

...Okay, from where did you get this nonsense. xD

He's frozen.

Who knows, maybe it was 11 years ago before it was changed tp this.


Against XXI, maybe?

Escribe el texto correcto aquí en la sección de comentarios y lo cambiaré.

Grazie a tutti per i vostri gentili commenti Siamo lieti di vedere che hai notato i cambiamenti che abbiamo apportato. :)

Narub y Eleim. :)

Frorenst redarw the Heloïts if you didn't noticed. OO

That's just your headcanon, stop making it as a fact. Both the present and future were holding back, one Trunks was able put up a fight and the other he wasn't. No need for you to make stuff up.


Again, Present Android weren't going all out either. Trunks manged to put up a fight in one of them. It's really not that hard. 1 Réponse(s)

Are you for real? That's what I meant by originally 19 and 20 being the ones who killed the Z-Fighters before it was changed! Learn how to read before throw the word "foolish" at others.


You don't need to feel power to tell 17 and 18 were using 1% of their powers to beat Trunks.



If you think they were even trying here then I don't know what to say you.


Look, to me it simple: Future Androids toyed with Trunks and he manage to give a descent fight, Present Android toyed with him and he was down by two hits. Present Android > Future Androids. No need to complicate things here. 2 Réponse(s)

He called them that because it was originally 19 and Dr. Gero were the ones who killed the z-fitghers... -_- Where's the facepalm emoji when you need it?...


Dear God... form Trunks words! He said that at the very least he was able to put a decent fight against the Future ones even though they were holding back. If Trunks can't even do that against the present ones that means they're stronger! Trunks was KO'ed from two shots, one of them where 18 only throws Vegeta at him. If it takes less effort for them to beat Trunks then that means they're stronger than their future selves. What is so hard to understand here??? 2 Réponse(s)

Because 17 & 18 were going all out against the Z-Fighters? They were toying with them too.

So, really I don't get why people bring this up all the time.

If Future Trunks says they're stronger the Future then they are. 1 Réponse(s)

Quería agregar páginas adicionales antes de esta página. Pero... el tiempo... :') 2 Réponse(s)

And that's all she wrote!

When I read the fight back in the day, I always thought that U16 Pan was done dirty. Which why I came up with this idea to give Pan a little something before her death.

I pitch the idea to Xeno Black who was more than happy to write the script. We review and discuss what can we take from novel and what can we add.

Then Argelios & I spent days trying to map this fight the best we can. There was a lot back and forth between Argelios and I on how many pages and what to add and what to not add. Argelios spent hours to made the storyboards so then we have something clear to show Rogeru.

There was a lot of ideas (both original and from the novel) that were thrown in the bin because Argelios didn't want to color that many pages and thought it was already too long. One example is that instead of Bojack throwing Pan in page 137, my idea was for Pan to use the Taiyôken, but Argelios was against it because it was already so many pages.

After both us settled on how the fight will go out. Argelios worked on the storyboard to presented to Rogeru.

Rogeru draw a fast sketches for us to see.



After we agreed on them, he start drawing the pages and they turned out beautifully imo.



And then, it comes my turn to prepare the pages (aka color the page with base colors) for Argelios and HomolaGabor.



And what you see is the end result:



There was a lot of care behind these pages. We planned them out, we changed and edited a lot of things when we thought of a better ideas. There was a lot of ideas that unfortunately weren't used due to how many pages were there already. But we definitely didn't do it for the sake of fighting. We... or I wanted to give Pan a time to shine because she deserve way better than what she got.

It's not perfect, but it's better than how it was handle it in the black & white pages imo.

U18 #17 & #18 weren't using even 10th of their powers, what's your point? That Future 17 was holding back? So was U18 17. And Future Trunks was comparing the two based on how badly he was beaten.

Pretty sure U18 #17 & #18 were also toying with the Z-Fighters on their first encounter with them. So, if Future Trunks says they're stronger than their future counterparts then they actually are. 1 Réponse(s)

Dziękuję Tribun Erset

Wysłałem wiadomość do Salagir. Miejmy nadzieję, że wkrótce je doda.

Jeśli ktoś może podać mi tekst tutaj, w sekcji komentarzy, umieszczę i na dwóch ostatnich stronach.

Bulma created a time machine that can go to the "past" of a universe identical to her. That's why Future Trunks can't go to U13 for example. Where the vargas can go to whatever universe they want and brings others with them.

The fact that Bido have to "get permission" to say his idea/plan show to you that the idiot is the leader. xD

"Perhaps it can wait…"

Tch, pussy.

Salagir fixed it. Thank you for pointing that out.

You do realize that none of them will be able to do any of that one-on-one, right? You can see Polar recovering instantly after that knee to the back from Bido. What do you think what would had happen if Zangya didn't come in and deck him to the face?

We finally see DBZ characters having a common sense and fighting as a group against a stronger opponent. 1 Réponse(s)

¿Cuál debería elegir? xD 2 Réponse(s)

So, whose going to tell them? xD

Para que quede claro, yo no dibujé esta portada. xD Solo hice los colores base para la portada.

Je n'ai rien fait! xD Je n'ai fait que les couleurs de base pour la couverture. 1 Réponse(s)

I think it's no longer a mystery what XXI is and what happened there after what Old Kai said in page 2274. the "big change" is XXI winning and changing everything ever since.


Oh yeah! I can't believe I forgot about this universe.

So basically, Future Trunks killed Gokua in 5 universes only: 4, 6, 16, 18, and 20. xD 1 Réponse(s)

Not in U1 and U10, he was killed by the kaioshin.

In universes 3, 7, 8, 9, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, and 19 he's alive, but sealed.

And of course, in U2 and U5 he was never born. 2 Réponse(s)

Así parece. xD

Comprueba la traducción. Y déjame saber si las otras páginas necesitan correcciones o no. 1 Réponse(s)

Este es un cómic antiguo con una traducción antigua. Si pueden proporcionarme el texto, lo cambiaré. 1 Réponse(s)

No, that will be his uncle. :)



Link

There is. But Cell's Taiyoken make it seems this way.

Moron can't even count to 5! xD 1 Réponse(s)

I mean... aren't they already? We're talking about the same race that "Oh! I gonna create 3 reduced forms instead of training myself to be able to stay in control in my original form because I'm just too lazy!"

The only two Frost demons who "bothered" to train are Frosty (Cold's oldest uncle):


And Cooler, who was the first Frost Demon to discovers the Augmentation form. Snower, Ice Kurima, Freeza (and Cold in some universes) transformed to their original form, but they only did it out of necessary.

The best example is U8 Cold (Ginyu). Look how much power Cold could have gained if he bothered to train. Now, imagine if all the Frost Demons are as strong as Bojack in their original form. Nobody will be able to stop them other than the Kaioshins, Buu, and Broly. Actually, no, only The Kaioshins and Majin Buu, because They will kill all saiyans before Broly is born. 1 Réponse(s)

And this one example of why the Bojack gang didn't last long. Bojack is really the definition of "All brawn and no brain".


The fact that he's now either dead or sealed in all the 20 universes proves that. If the Frost Demons possess his power they would have ruled in almost all the universes. 2 Réponse(s)

Polar is the brother of Cold. And their father is Snower.

U15 Dabura and Fat Buu are dead. Read chapter 32.

Gracias. :)

Traduzco la página según tu texto. 1 Réponse(s)

Thank you! :D

The difference between U13 and U18 in few panels.

They're finally out from their apartment. After 8 long years since page 1104! xD

Dammit Rodriog! Now I can't unsee it! xD

Yeah, he still same old Yamcha! I still remember him hitting on General Blue...wait? That was Bulma!



Oh yeah! The time he was drooling on Goku on the 23rd tourname- hold up! That was Bulma too!



Oh yes yes! It was Zarbon! On Namek when Zarbon was fighting Vege- no! That was Bulma also!



Uhhhh...what were you talking about again?

Oh, mierda. Dame cinco minutos... :/

If the novel to be trusted, she's 10,000 units. So, yeah, she can crush Saiyan Saga Nappa.

But yeah, this power level is considered a joke now. 1 Réponse(s)

Cell has been taking his lose against Vegeta pretty well so far. I expected him to be furious or "butthurt" since his resurrection on page 2093 or even more so on this page. But no, he's willing to learn and improve and does not appear to care that Vegeta managed to beat him without using his new power.

Vegetto on the other hand... 2 Réponse(s)

I don't care what anyone says, this fight is better than their two fights in the manga!

Also, Salagir wrote this on a thread I made comparing DBM fights with the two fights in the manga: link

Indeed. It's a retcon.

His name is Nedwook!!!! >:( Only few Ultras can call him "Ned"!!! 1 Réponse(s)

You're very welcome! :D

And that's conclude chapter 4. Next page is the cover of chapter 5. Hope you all like it. :) 2 Réponse(s)

Exactly. I think it feels that way to them because of the countless times we saw Goku vs Vegeta get retell by the Dragon ball games.

Goku vs. Vegeta happened only twice in the manga. I don't know what other fights you speak of... Fights that happened in other fancomics? Why should I care about them or count them? Care to name me few that stands out from these "decent amount"?

The only one that came to my mind is the comic where Vegeta is the one that sent to earth instead of Goku (for some reason). And even that fight was meh to me.

And not to mention that Salagir may have planned this fight way back in 2008. It just took us a long time to finally reach this fight. 1 Réponse(s)

In colors!!! xD

Goku and Vegeta only fought two times in canon. One in the Saiyan saga whereas Vegeta was winning before Gohan and Krillin interrupted the fight. The other one happened in the Buu Saga which it ended with no contest (no, Vegeta knocking out Goku is not part of the fight).

Also, DBM is about what-if and cool concepts. But it's also a fan-service. ;) 1 Réponse(s)

The first panel is a reference:

Here's an alternative version that wasn't used. xD

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My guy, no one here is getting paid by you, not directly nor indirectly.