Dr Gero be like "... I'm sorry, what now"

It's not "headcanon", thank you. It's logical thinking.

This Cell is weaker, as he is already missing several cells: King Cold and Freeza, two exceptionally powerful fighters who also had excessive durability. Whatever Androids he absorbed, assuming he had to absorb any to begin with, likely weren't stronger than U18's androids. Hell, they likely werent even stronger than Future Trunks' androids; Gero had no reason to make them that strong considering Krillin was considered the strongest resistance fighter (Gohan was conidered dead from a young age, unless Bulma specifically lied to Gast... which would make no sense if his survival was common knowledge). All in all, this Cell would literally have zero reason to even come close to the power of U18 cell; the androids were weaker, there was never a super saiyan to analyze, just humans. Even if some odd reason Gero wanted Cell to become way stronger... there's no reason for him to be that strong, on top of that he has nothing to compare it to.


Yes, King Cold is nothing compared to -mainstream- cell. But your logic on headcanon powerscaling works both ways; we dont know how strong this cell is. I only see plenty of reasons why he would be weaker, not why he should be equal or stronger. But King Cold when he appeared was still the strongest opponent that Gast faced. And this was a Gast who did not have any training yet; he came to exist when Freeza appeared, he took out Cooler not long after, and beelined it to King Cold soon after that. This Gast still trained afterwards. And sure, his power might not have increased by that much (which is your headcanon), but it still should have increased. And even without multipliers, timeskips in DB/DBZ still allowed characters to grow a lot in terms of power.


And again, finally... this cell split in 5, reducing his power by 80% for each Cell we see. Even if Cell at max output would be equal or stronger than Gast, theres no way a powercut THAT drastic would hurt Gast by this point. I'll give it some leeway on this being the Kikoho which has extra power due to it taking life energy.. but even then, thats a stretch.

The point remains that if THIS Cell at 20% strength can severely injure or harm Gast or give him a fight, then at 100% this shouldnt have been a contest. On the other hand, if Gast was equal to, or stronger than Cell at 100%, then this shouldnt even tickle him. 2 Respuesta(s)

I really try to not get into powerscaling.. but I just cant imagine that Gast, who kept up with his training, is struggling against a Cell at 1/5th power, who is alread far weaker than mainstream cell, esspecially after he just emberassed King Cold in his 4th form.


And given how people are likely still dying left and right, this cant be playing into his "Im looking for a challenge anywhere I can" attitude either. This is just... nonsensical. 3 Respuesta(s)

Gast is going to think "....why on earth did he just weaken himself by so much?"


When you think about it, Multiform is the most useless form against any opponent that is close to your strength. Honestly even in DB it served NO purpose since Goku immediately noticed how it cut down Tien's strength. The only thing I can see it be useful for would be one duplicate falling behind and using stuff like Solar Beams or kamikaze attacks.

We know Gast ended up beating Cell. But I'm pretty sure Krillin, Gohan, and the others all die here. At the very least Krillin and Gohan, because they would absolutely join this tournament in hopes of getting a wish. Them not being here is "evidence" enough for me that they died. 2 Respuesta(s)

I want to play that Zpeed racing game with Goku and Piccolo.

Huh, why does Vegetto look like he's actually hand drawn with pencil and paper on this particular page? Not complaining, he looks awesome.

man the kai's and namekians sure have lousy security. You'd think they would summon the dragon far away from the arena and just... show it on a tv

So Im guessing the idea was to just have a distraction and nothing else? Because Nappa's thing wouldnt make sense at all otherwise.

Im actually curious.... what if XXI plans to eat the Eternal Dragons?

I cant explain why that thought popped up in my head, but seeing him there just made me think about it. 2 Respuesta(s)

Yup, kind of guessed timestopping shenanigans.

Im not too worried, I never expected Goku to win this. I expected either an interruption of the fight, or a full out victory of XXI. Strong as goku is in his focused state, this is STILL a magician who was able to prepare a device to fight android 18, lock Vegetto in another dimension, was able to seal away Buu etc.

Frankly... Im starting to think that he didn't "ask" that shadow figure for advice, but actually just wished for the way to defeat 18, and likely just repeated the wishes for his other opponents.

Either way, nice development. Curious how this plays out from here. Im a bit surprised so many people expected Goku to win this though.

Its odd, this looks like a Bardock flashback (the font), but we know Bardock is gone.

And well... XXI isn't wrong. If this is his power, he's allowed to use it. Nothing in the rules stated he couldnt.

So whatever happened.. Goku in his new transformation never saw it coming.

So either XXI is sonic the hedgehog confirmed, or I'm calling timestopped shenanigans.

1) we dont know if it actually worked.

2) even if it did work, Goku and Vegeta's fight, the first part, was over in less than a second. If Goku is sent into that other dimension in his transformed state, he'd be able to prepare himself and break out nearly instantly.

It feels like we've been waiting for the final for YEARS but it's only been 2 days!

If Vegetto's corrupted because of that stupid senzu bean he was given I'm just going to flip a table (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ 1 Respuesta(s)

Oh... they were actually sent back?? All of them just like that??


Thats actually HUGELY disappointing for me. This universe, unlike the gag universe, was a story wildcard and I loved that stuff. They barely interacted with the main tournament and participants. They had great fights by themselves, but ... yeah.

Not gonna lie, I feel like I just watched another season of Supernatural where you have this really interesting character be in the show, steals the spotlight in their scenes, and then has the most sudden and unceremonious death possible.

Yeah, I really would have enjoyed more interactions between them and other characters. The Videls, maybe Krillin and Goku some more. Yamcha and Future Trunks talking about Gero. Hell, more Bulma would have been great too. 1 Respuesta(s)

So South Kaioshin is against interference, but when something directly affects someone as a result of the tournament (which is HIS interference), he just tells them to sod off?

Man I really dislike the Kaioshins and their BS.

So.... neither is dead then. huh.

So I guess he put a piece of himself into that senzu bean he gave to Vegetto then?

I think this is likely an illusion. Maybe get the saiyans so upset they'll attack him outside the ring? Or maybe he'll offer them a similar powerup to the one Old Kai would give Radditz.

It wouldnt be farfetched to think he'd offer gifts and boosts that would somehow influence his targets. Maybe he picked up the idea from Buu.

Look, Im not going to say this will 100% bite him in the ass.... but WHY would he even eat this.

Vegetto was shown to be very intelligent in the manga/show, being a quick thinker basing his actions on his knowledge of prior events. Vegetto thought himself to be invincible yet he's been humiliated by magicians at least three times now. He even took damage and was at Buu's mercy after the Broly incident (he was weakened enough). He knows at this point he isn't indestructable, unbeatable, or immortal. There is Zero reason for him to accept a gift from a seemingly untrustworthy opponent who uses MAGIC, something Vegetto KNOWS he is susceptible to.


It doesn't matter if this ends up not doing anything. This was dumb. I'd go so far as to rank this as dumb as the Androids fighting Yamcha, and the chapter where kid kakkarot beats Master Roshi off-screen in a cave.

It's almost as if he's unable to handle magicians because he doesn't know magic. but for the record:


l'k'l > could have killed everyone except the androids and Mary Sue
Gast > beat Vegetto
Buu > beat Gast (and honestly the entirety of the people present, minus XXI)
XXI > beat Vegetto, Gast and Majin Buu


Yes Vegetto got stomped by those four, but its not that unexpected: Buu has the power and experience of hundreds of thousands of absorbed people, LKL could literally stop time in a way that was unprecedented, XXI seems to so powerful that he easily got rid of Buu and Gast. And while Gast may not be as powerful in strength as Vegetto is, his magic powers are undeniably powerful and good enough to hold him back. Theres nothing wrong with his losses. 1 Respuesta(s)

Sheesh, Vegetto being an immediate asshat for no reason.

I mean... this guy was implied to be evil for a long time. But we cant judge a bird based on just shadowy eyes and a black cape and sketchy demeanor. We're not avianphobes

Um.... this is a bit odd? 1 Respuesta(s)

Okay I actually dig this design. Of course, Gast should still roflstomp him, but still. Kudos to the choice of staying more to the "earth" imperfect/semi-perfect Cell and leave out the Frost Demon influences.

Of course this also means this Cell cant breathe in space. So that will be interesting. 1 Respuesta(s)

Well... I cant say I agree with his SSJ state, as it just doesnt make sense to me without further context. But at the very least he can't be stronger than Goku was when fighting Freeza at this point, so this will be interesting. And Gero must have had very limited info on the Saiyans as a whole, not to mention the powerscaling should be very much in Gohan's favor.


Since Gohan never had his powers unlocked on Namek, these androids should be able to be on par with him. But.... Gast should be able to wipe them out within seconds, because there is absolutely no way any of these androids are around the Ginyu or 1st form Freeza level. Let alone 4th form Cold level.

I still maintain that is Master Roshi in his full power mode. Damn krillin stole his shades and never gave em back!

if this is Gohan in SSJ form Im going to have to call major BS on it. Neither Gohan (or Goku) would have any knowledge about the super saiyan transformation, and they would definitely not be at that level of strength either. It took goku training at king kais planet, a handful of zenkai's, and training under 100x earths gravity, AND a major emotional burst to reach SSJ. Gohan might have had the emotional burst but there's no way (no location) for him to undergo that sort of training. And Goku didn't even do the 100x gravity training in this universe.


Super Saiyan should simply not be a transformation in reach in this universe, save for Vegeta who did reach it, and he's not on earth. 2 Respuesta(s)

How many canon Aliens did we have on earth before the Namek saga? We had Goku, Gohan, and Piccolo.

Piccolo died and wasnt revived. He is canonically dead here since no dragonballs exist at all anymore to revive him. Meaning Chiaotzu, Yamcha, and Tien are also dead.

Now they told us Goku died of the disease, and Gohan was killed. Thorn mentions -1- lie. So either Goku is alive (but he doesn't fit the physique), or Gohan is alive. Im banking on it being gohan. Though Im assuming he dyed his hair or is using a wig because theres no way he turned super saiyan here in this timeline.

It does not explain how Gast did not sense Gohan at all though if it IS him.




1) trunks was born a year AFTER Freeza came to earth
2) who would the father be? Gohan would be too young and Goku was dead at that point. And Vegeta would not make sense in the slightest in this particular scenario either.


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Unless for some dumb reason vegeta went back to live on Earth which would not make any sort of remote sense in the slightest since he never allied with gohan or krillin, and he was still an evil villain by this point. 1 Respuesta(s)

We know Gast defeats Cell in his universe. I'm just wondering when he shows up.

dude looks more like the older Yamcha at the end of Z (post-time skip, during the Uub portion). Minus the scar obviously.

sheesh, 29 androids, and 2 of them were already destroyed... yeah, that would be enough to take over the world with relative ease.

He ranks at least in the top 3. Dont forget not only did he win a tournament, he was the undefeated champion for a long period of time at that. For basic human feats, he is a powerhouse in his own right.

He certainly is among the strongest martial artists in the world, if we disregard the main fighters from DB/Z. Its kind of weird how Videl or Gohan never taught him how to fly or use Ki properly. He definitely should have been able to learn the basics of that. 1 Respuesta(s)

Is that... Master Roshi as a cyborg? The left one? Beard, bald? 1 Respuesta(s)

Okay, well that explains who he was talking to way back when he blasted floating-head-Buu into pieces.

Seems this tiny dragon has only a small recharge time too, considering he summoned him a day prior. So Im guessing he wants more powerful wishes? And if these dragonballs work here, he either stole them from his own realm or... he's a (corrupted) Namekian? Maybe the evil part of a good namekian like King Piccolo?

Damn this Shenlongs been hitting the gym!

There's a lot of waifus in there. Just saying.

he used underhanded tactics, yes. But he was also aware there was no way he would be able to overthrow Babidi by himself. He needed Gohan to be outraged. He could have killed the piccolo's and the Helioites easily, probably several more. He kept it to just the Videls, and well.... his strategy did pay off, because Gohan immediately decided murder and violence was an acceptable conclusion. And that was before he even knew about Bra.

Cell would never allow himself to be ruled by a worm like Babidi. He was never on his side. 1 Respuesta(s)

As opposed to the same dark energy that was there during the fights with Gast and Buu?

Universe 10? But thats the universe of the saiyans and namekians who left very early on. So that should be..... empty.


Well its absorption time I guess. 1 Respuesta(s)

Stone dragonballs... huh. Was really hoping this wasnt going to be evil-dragon-related. Still holding on to that one.

Did love the mood whiplash between panels though

Im very confused about how healing and energy consumption works for Gast.... heavily injured but still knows enough magic to fully heal himself? huh? 2 Respuesta(s)

Well this turned out to be an unexpected horrorshow.

In space, noone can hear you scream.

Well the scales on his head disprove my idea that it was a Kanassan. Now I honestly dont have an idea what species this is, so Im guessing an OC.

......is Xii.... a Kanassan??

I always loved the juxtaposition (sp?) of Videl and Gohan. Gohan had all the strength but loathed combat. Meanwhile Videl loved martial arts and was a fighter at heart.

I love Videl in Super. I like that she's a down to earth woman there, who focuses on her family. After her beatdown, death, and introduction to the Z warriors and later on becoming a mother, I am totally fine with her saying "ok fighting can take a backseat". But I would have also liked to see more of her teenage years/early relationship with Gohan where she still demonstrates being a capable fighter.

So a Cell without Super Saiyan DNA, no Freeza/Cold DNA, and his strongest cells came from Saiyan Saga Vegeta.

yeah Gast should be able to stomp this guy. If anything, this Cell should be weaker than 4th form Cold, and by a considerable margin.



And I say "no super saiyan DNA", because gero already had Goku's DNA by this point, there's no reason to get it again, and without further threats there was no reason for Goku to ever go Super Saiyan. Vegeta also never came back, so... lot of information is lacking. And while Krillin poses no threat, Gast would absolutely clobber the hell out of anything Gero throws at him. Even Perfect Cell.

Wait so.... those androids could detect engines and such, but a hub that likely consumes way more power than most remaining human cities went virtually undetected?

Gero is shit at building proper power detectors. 1 Respuesta(s)

Well so much for the HR department.

guess energy sensing isnt omnidirectional for them

#28??? Holy hell what even happened in this timeline, sheesh

Hang on, so on top of being megadrainers compared the 19 and 20 in the main timeline, these guys can detect engines AND energy?? Only Android 16 had that upgrade out of all the androids we ever saw.


Im seriously confused why on earth these guys had these massive upgrades done. There's no way Goku managed to train himself to the strength he had in the main timeline (additionally; virus likely killed him leaving only Krillin and Gohan as defenders). 1 Respuesta(s)

Im sorry but why exactly are these guys SO powerful they insta-drain Gast here? There was no reason whatsoever for Gero to upgrade the androids in this timeline, and a regular, non-mastered SSJ1 Vegeta didnt drop down from this that fast. I understand plot most happen but wtf.

Gast knocks her arm sideways, yet the panel next shows her arm fully extended again?

Oh no it's the Red Ribbon HR Department!

So are Thorn's eyebrows... always shaped like this?

Christ was has that Trunks been eating? He is INSANELY buff

Well thats the trash mob killed Gast, you still got the raid boss to deal with. Was nice of him to stand idly by and not do anything by the way.






Which is weird. Without Goku or the Z-warrior left alive, the Androids should have ran crazy back on earth, and either overtook the world for Gero/RRA, or killed most of the human population to the point where there wouldnt be enough energy for Buu to revive on. 3 Respuesta(s)

Dark Lightning? 1 Respuesta(s)

uhm.... well that kind of came out of nowhere

That looks like something that would tear someone to shreds.

Its so weird how everyone seems to believe that fusing with an immortal results in a new immortal. The wish was to turn Kakarot immortal, not whatever fusion he can become part of. It was a massive annoyance during that dumb as bricks Zamasu arc, with one half being immortal -,-;


That said, I said it before and I'll say it again; I miss Prince Vegeta's glorious cape :(

It shows that Bra is not of the generation that decides "Im just going to warm up, then take it slow, then powerup to a certain percentage, and then go all out".


Frankly speaking, we have no clue how strong Gast is without his magic. He easily handled the SSJ2 Cell Jr and was just toying with him, he wasn't even worn down after the ghost Vegeta SSJ3/Broly fight, and only got a bit tired during the Hatchiyak fight.


Though I do hope his shtick isn't just "magic" and "pretend to be cut into pieces and fully regenerate everytime".

Finally! A good use of portal skills!

Reminds me of the Spider-man cartoons where Spidey fights "the Spot". wasn't a very serious fight, but that was a really fun take on portal combat. This really means Janenba can counter any sort of energy attack he can see. This is going to be a fun fight.

Gast be like: "Oh no! Anyway..."

Im going to say XXi is going to WIN this tournament. He'll face Goku in the finals, and he'll win. He then gets his wish, as that is his prize, and whatever his wish is, is enough to reveal the true big bad of the story, and it will require the remaining participants to somehow stop it all.


Thats right, I'm just going to say the story isn't going to end when the tournament does. Its going to carry on for a whole different storyline after that.

I swear Vegito needs a lesson in humility. Though I'm surprised to see him act like... this. And not still seething through his teeth.

Also, Gast literally glued his sorry ass together. At this point Im starting to question "why bother"

This is the same thing Tapion said, so Im hoping we dont see Hirudegarn again XD

Its going to be hilarious if XXI has a technique to seperate Gast's fused bodies. It would get rid of one of the strongest fighters AND strongest magicians around, and would be a reason why Vegetto is able to go fully berserk without anyone being able (or willing) to stop him. 1 Respuesta(s)

You... do understand what a "mary sue" character is supposed to be right? 1 Respuesta(s)

I do love watching Mary Sue. Pretty sure there's going to be a gag strip where she actually wins the tournament.... somehow. As a reward for saving people or w/e. And she does look beautiful, admittedly. Stellar artwork.


Absolutely love the "Im so done with your shit" look L'k'l 's mom gives her as well.

Huh... I just thought of something else.


Vegetto has already been drained of energy without senzubeans to revitalise him, since Bra destroyed the ones they had during the rebellion. He was already fatigued a bit before that. (Commenters already pointed this out before to explain his moodswings getting worse).

But now, on top of that, his body was partially destroyed, and while Gast was able to save him, he also states he can't restore his full power. So Vegetto has to be weaker than he's ever been by this point (or at least around the level he was after the space fight with Buu, where Bra injured him).

I'm sure he's still one of the strongest fighters around, but Im not so sure anymore that he is THE strongest one around... 3 Respuesta(s)

I dont think thats Mary Sue but thats absolutely a Mary-Sue kind of thing to say.


Also sheesh, Yamcha finally telling the androids off. I understand his intentions but these two are just irredeemable annoyances right now. You can be rebellious, or not fully understand the situation you're in... but these clowns have been killed, deactivated, magically revived, magically restored, seen dimensional magic, been oneshot etc etc. At some point, you just need to say "okay, f*ck it" and cut someone off. I love Android 17, he's always been a favorite of mine. But this guy's just a brat. Cut his head off and use it as an ashtray or something.




how was she part of a plot? She signed in a participant, and said participant decided to go rogue. With nobody but 4 people who understand what happened: The birthgiver, Androids 17 and 18, and Yamcha. No evidence beyond that. On top of that, she's asking to be sent home of her own accord.

Vegeta was still alive, and in subsequent panels after Krillin blasted him, you see him walking towards dende with visible (damaged) skin. I kind of took that as the energy blasting through it but not entirely destroying the body (Krillin didnt intend to kill him, so why would he blast the entire chest away anyway).

Regarding that Panel, thats also not how Senzu beans work. Thats not how they ever worked. They fill up a person for 10 days, and rejuvenates them in a way that equals 10 days of optimum rest. It does have magic properties in that it can regrow teeth, "regenerate" skin tissue etc (but not diseases).

At no time ever, did senzu beans regenerate a full lost limb. And before someone says "Dragonball Super, it happens to Moro": 1) Super isnt canon to this series, and 2) moro had regenerative abilities already. I dont remember the trunks manga special, but considering he had never even seen a senzu bean, Im chalking that up to him just not knowing what they were even supposed to do. 1 Respuesta(s)

Okay, Ive said this before during the Majin Bra/Senzu Bean stuff... this isn't "healing". Namekian healing doesn't fully regrow lost limbs, much like how Senzu Beans dont regrow full limbs. Namekians themselves can regenerate, but nowhere did we ever see it fully restores a destroyed body of somewhere else. I really think this is just a blatant oversight at this point, or purposely ignored for the sake of keeping the story going.

Truthfully, it would have probably been better to keep Vegito dead for a bit. Really emphasize the shock to U16 that nobody is really safe here, not even Vegito who is practically considered a god by this point. 2 Respuesta(s)

Dallas eat your heart out!

We know SSJ3 Vegeta could oneshot a Cell Jr who had, as Cell put it, the "most power he could give it at the time", which is likely the SSJ2 tier he had in the Cell Games post-Goku's explosion (I doubt he'd give more because it would give away his real power at that time, he hadn't revealed it yet).

As far as we know, the Saiyans dont get zenkais anymore after super saiyan, however we can assume Kakarrot gained a big powerboost after Babidi's Majinisation. But even so, Mystic Gohan utterly annihilated him, with ease. Ridiculous ease even. We can say Mystic Gohan was likely either slightly above or around Goku's SSJ3 level in the Buu Saga. We can also assume here that Prince Vegeta simply doesn't train, or at least not as much as Goku did, so his SSJ2 was likely weaker than that of Goku. His SSJ3 is definitely weaker.

So following this logic: Mystic Gohan > Kakarrot (SSJ2 level) with ease during majinisation. Vegeta SSJ3 > Cell Jr with Perfect Cell power (SSJ2 power, the level Cell was during the end of the Cell games.

This somewhat "proves" that Vegeta would utterly annihilate Kakarot here, in a flash, while in SSJ3 state.

Radditz is purely guesswork right now. But lets look at the facts that we know: it's established that hybrid saiyans like Bra, Gohan, and likely Goten and Trunks as well (if they'd actually train), surpass their saiyan parents. Gohan's hidden potential as such, was vastly more than what Goku's potential, who is a pureblood saiyan.

Now, Radditz was at the Ginyu's level, according to himself. The mere sight of a SSJ1 Bardock was enough to make him utter "oh thats unfair", implying he's not even SSJ level or close enough to hold his own to one. And even in his Great Ape form, he was handily beaten.


Now, we dont know exactly what Old Kai's power does. In fact, we already know he's pretty much guessing how large power increases would be based on his response to Radditz's level, and he had no concept of how strong SSJ3 vegeta was... so we can assume he doesn't feel power auras or anything.

There are 3 possible ways his boost works, at least in my opinion

1 - the target gains a significant powerboost, thats just a flat increase, based on the target's initial strength (which I dont think is the case)
2 - the powerboost given to a target is the absolute max that they are capable of reaching (I also don't agree with this, because it would mean their strength is permanently capped out.. and it would make no sense for Goku to be able to train and get stronger while Gohan is stuck on his Mystic level forever).
3 - The powerboost given to a target is the absolute maximum potential a target has... at that time. I feel this is the most reasonable one. It would forego any required training previously done, and it would make you as powerful as if you had done the most efficient kind of training in all your life prior to that moment. However, no training afterwards means you'd never increase in strength either.


If #2 or #3 would apply, it would mean Radditz suddenly has the potential that rivals U18 Goku at that time, maybe even surpassing that. If it's #1 he's just screwed. However, regardless of which of the ones it is, it will be a significant boost to him. Even if his potential would be lower than that of Goku, it would still boost him high enough that his Great Ape transformation might be the decisive factor in all of this.


Sadly, anything regarding the mystic powerup is guesswork. We only ever saw it work on Gohan, and we have no idea what the true mechanics of it are. However, there is one thing we do know... and thats that he simply isn't strong enough to beat SSJ3 vegeta by himself. For a simple reason: the fusion of kakarot and Radditz was able to almost take out SSJ3 vegeta, but it was anything but a one-sided match, which is likely due to kakarot's immortality/durability. And as we know, Potara Fusion is insanely broken, creating a character thats stronger than the two combined, several times over. That, finally, is enough for me to reason that these two by themselves stand no chance whatsoever. Kakarot didn't have a chance to begin with, but Radditz even with his powerup shouldnt be able to hold a candle to SSJ3.

Of course, it all depends on how fast Vegeta is drained of energy now. If his transformation runs out, he straight up dies without question. If it lasts a few more minutes, he wins (and I doubt Nappa could sneak kill him even in his wounded state) 3 Respuesta(s)

"Together we can beat him".


Lets just shove this into the drawer with "wounded vegeta grabbing his left arm", "spam ki blasts never working", "characters expecting a foe covered in smoke to be damaged when they can sense energy" and all the other memes.

Im guessing the writer forgot Goku and Radditz do know how to sense energy and should feel how insanely outclassed they are here? Either that or it is a vision that really needs to go away now. 1 Respuesta(s)

This is not how immortality works.. this is never how immortality works.

I'm honestly hoping this is a dreamsequence at this point, because if U13, one of the more interesting universes, is done away with like this it would honestly be one of the worst sendoffs in this entire story so far. It would be a complete waste of time on Radditz' powerup, it would remove Prince Vegeta who has honestly been a fun character to keep around, and it would all around just be incredibly shoddy writing. I'd argue getting rid of them this way would be even worse than how Buu was removed from the story.

Im getting flashbacks to the Bra vs Gast fight now... which isnt a good thing.

you're telling me Radditz, who rated himself to be "as powerful as Freeza's elites" (aka the Ginyu force), after a mystic powerup, would have reached SSJ2 levels of power? Really?

yeah this is 100% in the mind of old kaioshin. There's no way most of these fighters would be intimidated or impressed by this fighter. 3 Respuesta(s)

Return of the glorious mega forehead!

Okay, this has to be a chapter that ends with "but it all turned out to be a dream". End of 2359, the wobbly line.. yeah this is a dream of sorts.


Incidentally I dont think that even a fused Mystic Radditz and Kakkarot are enough to beat SSJ2/SSJ3 Prince Vegeta, but thats just me. 1 Respuesta(s)

to this day this pisses me off. A fused Zamasu was still a NEW entity and person. If anything the writing should have been "since you're a new person... we can kill you". I know people crap all over GT but Super's writing was absolutely not THAT much better in many areas. 1 Respuesta(s)

I.... dont know how to feel about this. We know he's insane. But even with his insanity, we do know he has a certain level of intelligence. I cant imagine him being THIS damn stupid. This is Dragonball Super levels of dumb.

Well, let's see how this plays out.

Ive always taken the "mystic" transformation as a "this is the pinnacle of what you are capable of at this moment". Otherwise it would imply a character could never, ever grow stronger. Which we now know is definitively not true with that... ugh.. godawful "beast form" Gohan has.

So perhaps while Radditz might be at the peak of his powers now, he could still become stronger later in time, if he keeps up his training.

Of course, he should stand no chance against Vegeta, who likely did train for a longer time, under heavier circumstances, and has full mastery of SSJ1 and SSJ2, with now having SSJ3 unlocked to also train with.


Either way, it was a bit of a weird gamble to put his hopes on Radditz. Then again... its not like this Kai was familiar with the saiyans, and certainly not with Vegeta's depth of power. Only time will tell what his plans really are, because we have no indication he is going to keep his end of the bargain to the letter.

Im sorry... what.


Are we really certain the Grand Supreme Kaioshin "destroyed his brains before letting Buu absorb him"? Because I'm starting to question him ever having any to begin with. 1 Respuesta(s)

....This reminds me of the first episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, where the poor innocent schoolgirl ended up immediately eating the guy who took her to an empty building.

what continueity? This is the future where the Androids win right? They didn't win in History of Trunks, so this being different shouldnt matter at all. 1 Respuesta(s)

Roshi lives in the universe where Trunks defeated the Android, the "future timeline". I cant imagine him living through this, in which case I'm wondering where the divergence was between future trunks' timeline and this one. All we know is that in this universe, the Androids ultimately win, which hasnt happened yet.

I swear to god one day I'm going to create a bingo card to put up for every special and mark every complaint in it 2 Respuesta(s)

It will be a cold day in hell before I ever call him "Vegerot". I always preferred Vegetto, but Vegito is okay since its the canon DBM name.

.....Lord almighty thats... BAD. I rarely say this but I can write out better passages than that and english isn't even my native language. Not even joking, these sentences are a direct attack on my eyes. Its like reading the inside of William Shatner's mind.

On top of that, the main story has Goku clearly saying "SSJ1 and SSJ2 revitalise you, while SSJ3 drains your energy".

I dont consider the novels canon at all. Some of writing is good (I did enjoy U16's story of Vegetto's problem with food), but the novel should be taking with an unhealthy amount of salt, as some thing clearly either disregard DBZ lore, logic, or contradict the story. Some is good, some is bad.


Regarding the "sense bulma's energy".. pretty sure nobody was ever THAT skilled that they can sense the energy of regular humans. But.. it was also never implied that they couldnt. 1 Respuesta(s)