Cell sure as shit don't deserve it. The dude played both sides for his benefit. Cell should really consider politics or business.

Jacky wins as I am sure there is a rule about fighing in ther nude Ran-Fan is disqualified for immodest battle attire

Wait, you can draw nudity? I thought that wasn't permissible. I know gore is alright to some extent but has there ever been a scenario prior to this when a character was fully nude?

I missed if this was already explained, (if so, apologies)
Although this started with a fun, previously unseen universe, I see this is pretty much a re-posting of DBM from scratch, except in color (which is awesome), Are any other detours planned? Even if its not to go back to previously explored things (So yea, no more Gokhan)

You guys need to tone it down with Roshi, pretty sure he's not a misogynist.

My question is, why did this fight piss off Vegito?

Uzurper was saying: Out of curiosity, what are your three most favorite matches in the tournament you've seen thus far? My list.
3. Cell vs. Tapion
2. Son Bra vs. Ginyu
1. Goku vs. Uub

3. Bardock vs Cold
2. Gast vs Raichi
1. Vegeta vs Raichi

Worst fights so far

1. Vegeta vs Cell by a mile
2. Goku vs Frieza
3. Bra vs those armored dudes

Out of curiosity, what are your three most favorite matches in the tournament you've seen thus far? My list.
3. Cell vs. Tapion
2. Son Bra vs. Ginyu
1. Goku vs. Uub

The fight choregraphy and art is really good but I'm still a little disappointed we haven't seen one signature move yet.The db franchise is known for it's flashly attacks yet in this fight we haven't really seen any.

The arts been great but itd be nice to see so.thing besides this fight that was over in the blink of an eye... been like a month now.

Smart play by goku it kinda reminds me of the throw buu did on him(page 1016).Also excited for this upcoming special as there so many things it could be.U9, U13 on namek Uub etc.

Northeal was saying: Paradise Lost was saying: Leveler was saying: Though personally I think there should have been a few more people agreeing with Vegetto here just to even things out a bit better.
Felt like Universe 19 were the ones supporting Vegetto in this argument.

Eleim did chip in and remind people that Narub showed remorse and individuality which implied Bra could've as well. It is nice that they added that. But that's literally all they added to side with Vegetto. And it was a half assed reply after giving her some slack. These guys freaked out after Tidar got killed, and that was in combat without malice, knowing he'll be revived. They just witnesse Bra murder their comrades, they should be furious. Yet only Eleim provides the slightest bit of criticism. And just like with her killing Goten, no one provides an actual valid counter argument. Narub showing remorse makes Bra's actions even more unjustifiable, and makes the defense against Hatchijack less sound, as Narub was also influenced by his screams and kept some compassion. It's better than nothing, but it's still unreasonable and feels like everyone is ganging up on Vegetto. The other heliots don't speak, nor does Pan who's the only other person we know doesn't forgive Bra. I also find it weird that South Kai, the guy who's killed babies to protect the universe, paid no mind to Vegetto confirming Bra has destroyed a solar system before.
well the thing is, the Z fighters in general tend to brush it under the rug when things are fixed, nobody ever gave vegeta shit for blowing up the stadium later, you know

Leveler was saying: Though personally I think there should have been a few more people agreeing with Vegetto here just to even things out a bit better.
Felt like Universe 19 were the ones supporting Vegetto in this argument.

Females was saying: Called it! Also its worth noting that it makes sense that this would be a quick match considering Ubb is training still in a place similar to the hyperbolic time chamber. I wonder how much time has passed now?

Didn't Zen Buu say that time doesn't flow at all?

Honestly I don't really understand the discussion. Vegeta clearly said, he won't fight Goku again, until "they both can do better than this", meaning surpassing Gohan (page 1810). And now they are fighting again. Gohan was shocked and even Vegetto was very suprised by what he witnessed. Do we really need to argue now wether or not Goku and Vegeta are stronger than Gohan now?

Northeal was saying: . My main thing is looking at how the characters talk about this form, and based on what Goku and Vegeta say (and how Salagir talks about it) it's physically equal to their ssj3s. Maybe slightly higher. I don't think they're significantly weaker to Gohan now but he's probably at least physically stronger. And they're definitely not stronger than Gast, Bra, or even Cell.
I agree to most of what you say except when it comes to cell. First Vegeta won that fight. 2nd Vegeta has commented about him not being weaker than gohan. Gohan stated that cell should be higher than himself but Vegeta rebuked him on whether that should be a problem or not.

Northeal was saying: MrPerson0 was saying: TwoWordsMade3210 was saying: I always believed in the writers vision and story. Salagir doesn't miss.. Let him cook

Eh, I still disagree with him on the fact that Goku and Vegeta, in this form, are still weaker than Gohan. Hopefully he was referring to their highest Super Saiyan forms and this new Mystic form they found actually puts them above Gohan. At the very least, a fusion (dance or potara) of these two with this form should put them above U16 Vegito.

I can't agree there. How Goku and Vegeta talk about it, it seems that this form is equal to their ssj3 forms in physical strength. The way I see it Goku and Vegeta are pretty much near or at their physical limit here and instead of trying to go higher in strength they're trying to hone in and perfect the strength they already have. Getting rid of all of the strain and stamina draining of the ssj forms. It might make them faster but that could just be a stylistic choice.

So Gohan should still be above them. Although I don't think the gap is massive, nor do I think Salagir has the gap between Buu saga Goku and Gohan as big as how many people believe it to be. They're probably a little stronger than Super Buu at this point.

I don't see how anyone has this take.

Goku and Vegeta are literally so powerful here that they are able to move so fast that the majority of the cast blinked and missed it. Based on this alone, I think its meant to be implied that they are at the very LEAST equal to Gohan, if not, most likely stronger than him. I would't be surprised if they were close to SSJ or SSJ2 Bra level.

Remember, in Dragonball, Speed usually equates to power and vice versa, (Obviously except in the case of Trunks' Bulky SSJ form). 90% of the time, if you're so fast that people have a hard time seeing you, chances are your leagues above them in power, and even if they can see you, it's no guarantee that they can necessarily keep up with you in a fight.

For example, despite being no match for Cell, Gohan or Goku; Krillin, Yamacha, Tien, and Piccolo actually had no issue keeping up with watching Goku/Gohan vs Cell in the cell games.

In this fight, however, the gap is so large, that even someone as powerful as Piccolo (who is stronger than his Buu and Cell Saga self)was reduced to being the clueless spectator that Hercule was at the Cell games. Goku and Vegeta are so fast/powerful, that Gohan himself has a hard time articulating exactly what happened. The fight was so quick, that someone as powerful as Bra literally missed half of it before she realized what was going on. That my friend's, is an insane feat that not even Vegito accomplished in his fight with Broly.

I'm not saying they're Vegito level or anything, but to insinuate that they're still weaker than Gohan feels like way too much of a low ball estimation based on what we're seeing here.

Again, Piccolo is literally as clueless as Mr. Satan was as a spectator in the Cell games and Piccolo has a power level thats estimated to be around what Cell's was in the Cell Saga. THAT IS INSANE!

TwoWordsMade3210 was saying: I always believed in the writers vision and story. Salagir doesn't miss.. Let him cook

Eh, I still disagree with him on the fact that Goku and Vegeta, in this form, are still weaker than Gohan. Hopefully he was referring to their highest Super Saiyan forms and this new Mystic form they found actually puts them above Gohan. At the very least, a fusion (dance or potara) of these two with this form should put them above U16 Vegito.

Northeal was saying: Eldagusto was saying: It doesn't make sense that Universe 16 Goten and Trunks are identical to Universe 18, at the very least Goten would have gotten a significant Zenkai from dying to Bra as a kid, which would likely have caused Trunks to naturally catch up to Goten's power boost, and not having Vegeta or Goku growing up would make them different people.

Also its bunk to say Bra experienced Wizards way more impressive the Babiddi... like bruh Babiddi was the best in the Biz, and their Universe only has minimal couple decades of difference from the standard timeline. No way other Wizards grew stronger then Babiddi just cause Vegetto was cosplaying as space cop. Babiddi was millions of years old and he was unrivaled. Other might have existed with some talents better but he was clearly the best there was at what he did. Also mad respect for Gast again.

1. Salagir has done away with the near death power ups. He's stated as much and the novelization confirms this after the Vegeta vs Kakarotto fight. The only one who still gets them is Cell, and he needs to be almost completely obliterated for it to work. I'm assuming he's going by a head canon that near death power ups don't mean anything after reaching a certain level of strength, or just thought it would be too unfair for the sayians to not only have quick access to healing but get stronger because of that. Which is reasonable.

2. Even if they did still exist, Goten wouldn't have gotten one. He died. Saiyans get stronger of they SURVIVE from the brink of death, which he didn't.

I do agree that Gotenks should be different, but not in that regard. Strength doesn't matter here, they're different because of their different experiences and families, at least a little. What doesn't make sense and will actively make the story worse is when Gotenks makes his big defense of Bra, half of him literally doesn't even know this Bra. Which would be fine if the story acknowledged that he was mostly wrong, but it doesn't. So Gotenks will have even less of a point defending Bra and fully blaming Vegetto.
He made it so that once a Saiyan goes ssj, their ability to gain zenkais vanishes, to be specific.

It doesn't make sense that Universe 16 Goten and Trunks are identical to Universe 18, at the very least Goten would have gotten a significant Zenkai from dying to Bra as a kid, which would likely have caused Trunks to naturally catch up to Goten's power boost, and not having Vegeta or Goku growing up would make them different people.

Also its bunk to say Bra experienced Wizards way more impressive the Babiddi... like bruh Babiddi was the best in the Biz, and their Universe only has minimal couple decades of difference from the standard timeline. No way other Wizards grew stronger then Babiddi just cause Vegetto was cosplaying as space cop. Babiddi was millions of years old and he was unrivaled. Other might have existed with some talents better but he was clearly the best there was at what he did. Also mad respect for Gast again.

kaybag was saying: So quick! Just like the authors were to show us who won the fight!

Art is beautiful nonetheless.
Are we going to repeat this every page now? At some point it will even be against rule #11...just saiyan.
Can't we just please sit back and enjoy the fight without crying every page "that we already know who the winner is"?

I got a big question. Why wasn't even half of this in the main story? You're not exactly working for Shonen Jump which needs like 20 pages a week or you'd lose your time slot and your funding comes from donations. Some of the things in the Text seem pretty critical to this chapter and by cutting it out, you left us with an even more broken mess.

While I am on the Pro Bra team, I genuinely was disappointed in the Majin Rounds aftermath. What I was particularly fond of was the idea of having her slowly go down a Villainous or a Fallen Hero's path. That is because it opens up far more interesting storylines that you can proceed from. Have a look at TheBritWriter & Coffeyguy (please correct me if I got any names wrong) own spinoff. I'm now more interested in that series and to make it worse, it's using Super's story which I have a genuine distain against.

Salagir, I don't know if you are starting to spite your audience now but intentional or not, you have damaged the flow of your narrative in order to keep this Tournament going. This was also the reason why the tournament in the Buu Saga was dropped. There's nothing left to keep the thing going other then filling up the last few slots in the Victory Chart.

Can we take a moment to appreciate DBM? No, seriously! Goku vs Vegeta is the ground where DBZ fundamentals were established. Salagir gets so much hateful comments about his writing ability and how he and DBM are just being carried by great artists. I made some hateful comments too in the Bra rampage. So now I want to take this opportunity to give my modest but very well deserved recognition to Salagir and the DBM team.

Salagir understands DBZ quite well and better than Toriyama himself. He used previous concepts like Namekian merging and made an entire plotline around it. He kept SSJ forms simple and nerfed SSJ3 for this very reason. He found a better explanation for Vegetto’s de-merging inside Buu. He used Kaioken, a fan favorite, as a means to keep humans (and Uub) somewhat relevant, and because it was completely unused for no reason in the main series. He was clever enough to not use multipliers because it’s healthier for the balancing of power tiers. This way we know Maximum Kaioken Uub is SSJ3 tier. What’s the multiplier? Doesn’t matter! For all this evidence I’m 100% sure Salagir came with the idea of this Ultimate Form (or whatever it’s called) himself and not after watching DB Super. The idea behind the form is much more organic than DB Super. It’s just Mystic Gohan tier without the old kai’s ritual. SIMPLE. Just like when Gohan unlocked SSJ2 and they followed up after.

I repeat, Salagir understands DBZ better than Toriyama. And you might say “Uh? So what? That’s no big deal”. But the reality is that DBM isn’t like any other fanfic where they commit the capital sin of shonen: “the power creep”. Salagir knows power creep is a problem so he quickly nerfs or deus-exes things that may get out of hand. That’s why Broly and Buu had to leave. So why introduce them in the first place? you say. Because he also wants to have fun with his project and go wild telling some “what if” scenarios. But ultimately he has a bigger plot that wants to get done with as little power creep as possible. Want evidence? Look no further than DB AF, the progenitor of DB fanfics. SSJ 5 was the big Hook! Why? Because even Toyotarou himself struggles to create a proper setting without power creep. What’s different is that this new form isn’t beyond Vegetto, Bra or Ghast. And yet it’s still a novelty. Salagir found a hole for creativity without disrupting all power balance. Look at Big Baddie XXI. He’s not super powerful as far as we’ve seen, he just uses clever tactics to exploit weaknesses.

“The official release” in a couple of years made Red SSJ, then Blue, then Rose, then UI Omen, then mastered UI, Ultra Ego, Orange Piccolo, Beast Gohan. So many colors and so little meaning!. They actively made their previous forms obsolete because they are the real amateurs who only know to escalate via power creep every arc in a cash grabbing rampage releasing as many hair colors as they can to sell toys completely disregarding any power balancing. And don’t even get me started with artstyle. Modern anime artstyle just doesn’t fit DB. Period.

I want to finish by stating it’s no accident we all spent more than a decade getting involved reading this fanfic. DBM has quality and thought behind its plotlines. Sure, it has some flaws. But flawed as it is, it kept along with other fan projects the DBZ flame alive for more than a decade when the only thing we got was that awful 2008 special. If it wasn’t for passionate projects like this one who knows if we’d had a running “official release” series today.

So thank you Salagir, Asura, Gogeta Jr. and all DBM team.

Northeal was saying: Wow, I wasn't expecting this only two weeks after the last one but neat! Will this be the upload schedule throughout the quarterfinals. Anyway, for my opinion on this chapter, I'm honestly with the majority opinion on this, Legacy of Vegetto is one of the worst chapters in DBM history, and serves as making years of the comic irrelevant outside of a few good fights, and turned Bra from a bad character whose faults were often dismissed, to a downright terrible character that the story would never challenge and always let off the hook. Anyway I'll try to mostly base this off of it's changes and if it improves what's already there or not but I will mention a few general things.

First it the flashback. The thing is, Multiverse has never portrayed Vegetto and Bra's relationship as abusive until legacy, up until then Vegetto's main flaw as a parent seemed to be spoiling and easily forgiving Bra, which is a legitimate flaw and might've led to Bra's feelings of entitlement, but it doesn't excuse Bra's behavior especially considering the scale and that he's still trying to manage her anger. I feel they were trapped here, if they don't show any faults in Vegetto's parenting it would make this chapter feel even more out of place and make it feel like a bigger gang bang against him, yet at the same time if they were to suddenly show Vegetto abusing her, it would feel like a retcon and possibly even character assassination. So to this chapter's credit, this is probably the best they could do. Vegetto is seen trying to control Bra, but he doesn't realize how sensitive Bra is and that this isn't good motivation for most six year olds. He gets frustrated, warns her, and leaves. This isn't downright abusive, but it is bad parenting and he could've handled this much better, which probably began to create a wedge between them. It comes nowhere even remotely close to excusing Bra or this chapter, and it does feel odd since they seem to be on good terms at the start of the tournament, but it's working effectively with what they have and it's probably the best part of the chapter. So kudos there. Onto the rest.

While I am gad that South Kai at least is involved here, his dialogue still makes no sense. Not him feeling guilty for what happened that feels natural. But him only blaming Babidi? South Kai is one of the most rigid and strict people here. He has a strong sense of authority and justice and doesn't easily forgive people. He was in shock when the Grand supreme kai forgave the majins later on. He's been involved in child murder for the sake of the universe. So why the hell does he give Bra a pass? After he just handled the corpse of a loved one and witnessed her killing everyone? Well the same reason the Heliots still weren't involved here, and the u18 Bra is now siding with her despite being furious with her even though just minutes ago she was furious with her. Because these are not characters but props for the writers to defend and forgive Bra.

If Bra truly was fully controlled and not at fault at all, that means that not only is she treated as a faultless character but this whole situation is contrived and pointless. If not, then everyone just went to defend her when she didn't deserve it. Regardless the writing never puts the blame on her and even if it does she just becomes good after this with no real arc making her shift immediate. The only character arguing against her as seen as in the wrong not only by the characters but the narration ("Vegetto continued arguing the same tired points over and over"). It's terrible and unfortunately the novel hasn't improved it. While it is good that they include more characters in the discussion here, they almost all just exacerbate the issue of everyone flocking over to immediately defend the character the writers desperately want us to side with.

To be clear, I'm not saying everyone should've all sided with Vegetto and let him murder Bra, I want there to be multiple viewpoints and clashing perspectives here. Gast defending Bra makes total sense given his character and perspective, same with Goku and possibly Vegeta. And I like the idea of showing the difference between where Vegetto and his counterparts have diverged and showing what he's been doing wrong. But this doesn't work when every point Vegetto says makes complete sense. He has failed in certain areas as a parent but not enough to put him at fault. He literally states that she murdered her brother before and no one gives a shit. It's downright terrible writing. They can't even let Pan's rightful fear and anger be vented without having her go "oh Goku and Vegeta must have a good reason for this". There's no debate. The only people against Bra here are seen as irrational or temperamental, everyone who would be upset at her either uncharacteristically defends her or doesn't speak at all for some reason, and everyone who defends her are treated as completely right for it. It's just as bad as the comic unfortunantly.

I also feel the pacing is weird here, they get into an argument, then Vegetto starts to hit Bra, then they argue again. I felt Vegetto should've gone to attack first, get pinned, and then the actual debate started. I also feel some of the dialogue is phrased in a rather forced way. Like the way Vegetto and Bra talk doesn't feel natural and seems kind of redundant. But to be fair it's kind of hard for me to describe it.

Sorry for all the negativity. I don't ant to because I can tell there's a lot of effort put into this to be as good as possible and resolve a lot of the issues many people had, but I just don't think it helped much outside of the flashback.

Well maybe both Vegetto and Bra just suck as people (at least in DBM), DBZ Vegetto was never like this but DBZ Vegetto only existed to fight Buuhan but when he unfused inside of Buu, Vegetto no longer existed so we never got to see any negative long term effects of fusion. Bra just more so than Vegetto but Bra's failings shows Vegetto's as well (even if his was less terrible and messed up) as hers. I'd still say Bra got off rather easy compared to some characters in Dragon Ball that much I agree, though here Bra did take quite a beating (though if Vegetto thought Bra was a threat to be eliminated, why beat her up and not go straight for the kill, maybe because Vegetto was not in his right mind neither).

I kind of would like the depth of Bra and Vegetto's characters more if there was any hint of these problems at the beginning of DBM but there was nothing. Early DBM it was assumed Bra was a spoiled brat and that Vegetto was too forgiving (which is far from abusive) and just super cocky (for good reason, his strength couldn't be challenged) and only got mad because he got defeated in the cheapest way imaginable (I'd be mad too if I was competing in a fighting tournament and a cheapass wizard just teleports me away in an inverse-HTC dimension and I was gone for 2 hours). Now we find out that the family is rather dysfunctional (by now I meant when the Legacy of Vegetto chapter came out), Bra is psychotic (some even say sociopathic) and Vegetto's mental health is in question.

To me it seems like the Novel > Manga in terms of writing, the manga version never portrayed Vegetto as being actually bad in any notable way (like it's hard to believe that Vegetto could be so shitty as a parent), but the novel version of DBM and the U16 Novel shows that Vegetto has some serious issues (though I wouldn't call him evil).

South Kai's dialogue actually does make sense though. Because as strict as he may be I think he does look at the big picture and going after Babidi should take priority over Bra any day. After all, without Buu, what would have been to stop Babidi from getting desperate and we get a Majin Vegetto which would be a lot worse? And yes, I call bullshit on Vegetto being able to fend off against Babidi's spell, he'd be more vulnerable than Vegeta that's for sure (Vegetto's arrogance and lack of understanding with magic at it again). The dude knows how dangerous Babidi is (he killed his dad a few million years earlier in his universe) and knows that the threat ain't gone as long as Babidi lives and rather than waste energy on this broken girl (Bra), might as well go after Babidi first and bring everyone back. Plus South Kai doesn't really know what happened in U16 neither all that much, a while back before Round 2, Gohan only mentioned Buu and Vegetto to him as far as we know. But that said, you could still argue even with that that South Kai still let her off too easy, after all, she is extremely powerful and proven to be unstable, making her a threat as Vegetto points out.

I suppose my question is, what is a fitting punishment for Bra? Would killing her really make anything better? Buu would just troll Vegetto by bringing her back anyways not like Vegetto can do squat against that pink fuck. I guess the best punishment would have been to DQ her from the tournament, but it didn't matter, she forfeited against Gast anyways and threw a party. I am mostly with you, the writers screwed themselves on this one. And what's crazy is looking back earlier in DBM the writing was amazing, Round 3 had some amazing battles and dialog and we had amazing special chapters too (we still get those every now and then) but it all went down hill with Majin Bra, thanks Babidi ya shriveled up loser!

“Just because you’re angry and you feel justified, you think it's okay to commit patricide? I can’t believe that you would dare to even think about executing your own daughter!”

Pretty sure that's meant to say Filicide, the killing of one's own child.

I remember Goku saying back in Page 1150 ssj3 Gotenks was stronger than him and Vegeta. But these images depict a level of power beyong ssj3 Gotenks. I don't know what it is, I can't point it out.

Having certain characters being able to follow the action just makes it worse because it insinuates those characters could also move at similar speeds but for some reason haven't been doing so this entire time.

Bra's statement also insinuates that she's constantly moving at hyperspeed, else there is no way she would've suddenly started paying attention to the fight half way through.

So we already know who won!? And this is just a re-tell!!!? LAAAAAMME!
I agree with the bird woman, get on with the story and realse a side chapter showing the fight some other time. Hmph.

Friend made this.

It's pretty much obvious they're still fodder to vegeto, but a fusion between them would mess him up badly

@Northeal

Interesting points, and we certainly appreciate your post. I think I follow most of what you're saying, but I will say regarding your first point that I think Buu is definitely mocking... that's what he does. Nothing is serious to him, so making a meta-reference joke about her talk-no-jutsu is completely in character for Buu. He breaks the fourth wall all the time, so it shouldn't be immersion breaking here. But, funny enough, I do think that even though he's somewhat mocking Bra here, he definitely is a little impressed with her gumption.

Regarding Vegetto's treatment of Son Bra, I think the novel will delve more specifically into some of their past experiences soon. Perhaps that will help clarify. I personally find their dynamic to be odd, also, and I get the gaslighting comment. I am hopeful this is all in service to the greater story and will make sense when everything is fully known.

Listen if we show enough cute pictures of her the audience will be convinced to like her.

And no other saiyans in any other universe discovered this amazing powerful solution to the strain of super saiyan. Not Bra or Vegito or Trunks or the other versions of Goku and Vegeta. They didn't have main character power.

Normally I'd be like "Vegeta's got saiyan pride, so of course he'll let Goku go full power" but considering his fight with Cell just threw that out the window, who knows what'll happen.

Also the translation in the last panel needs work. That "Because" shouldn't be there.

Northeal was saying: Mary Bra was saying: Why are they trying to hype up the most vanilla matchup possible? We've seen this fight in canon like 3 times already lol.

I'm sure it will have good choreography and action, but honestly I've got to agree that this rematch isn't interesting for me at all. Especially this late into the tournament. Especially since Goku and Vegeta can do this any time in their own universe and having two good people from the same universe takes away a lot of the stakes and makes it pretty clear that XXI will beat Gast. Uub vs Goku had way more going for it though since Uub at least had more to prove. Vegeta is at peace here, yet for some reason he decided to risk losing to Buu and Cell by not revealing a new technique? It seems rather petty of him considering his development. Honestly I wish it turned out to be Uub vs Cell. I don't think subverting expectations always works out but having neither Goku or Vegeta reach the semi finals would've made the tournament way more interesting and less predictable. More importantly, Cell is the only legitimately villainous person left in the tournament left except probably XXI. Goku, Uub, Vegeta, and Gast are all pure hearted. Bra's a bad person but she would still use her wish for good. And Buu certainly isn't a good guy but wasn't interested in the wishes to begin with. Having Cell be in the semi finals would add more stakes here and make it a little less clear who would advance. It would give meaning to Cell's antics by showing how much he's improved in just a few days by defeating Vegeta, and Uub can not only fulfill his next generation arc by surpassing his master, but now he must further prove himself by stopping an evil force stronger than Goku. Uub and Cell's arsenal is much more interesting than Goku and Vegeta's and could lead to a more engaging fight. And they would both be better suited to fight XXI and Gast. Sure Cell and Uub don't have much of a dynamic yet, but you can still make it work. They're both products of Goku's influence, Cell an evil creation of revenge on Goku, Uub a good creation to thank Goku for his accomplishments, that's cool and I think you could give them good chemistry. That's just my perspective though.

I gotta disagree dude, this is a great match up. While it's not the most unique in principle, you gotta be curious to see how Salagir is going to interpret these two's powers and abilities. Remember Salagir started this comic waaaay before Super, so it'll be interesting to see what kind of transformations and techniques he has up his sleeves for these two. Especially for me, being someone who hasn't been too blown away by the new canon DB material, I'm o the edge of my seat and can't wait for this fight to start.

Why are they trying to hype up the most vanilla matchup possible? We've seen this fight in canon like 3 times already lol.

Your nickel was saying: So Frieza and Ginyu are cordial now? That's...kinda anticlimactic

Maybe it's because they know Ginyu is stronger than both of them in that body and they don't ACTUALLY want to battle him.

I swear Oob better get a noticeable Power-up out from all of this.

Also nice to see that "Zen Buu's" Pocket-Dimension stays active despite him being BANNED out from the very Universe they are in. His magical Powers are no Joke. So Oob is basically locked in there with a Yandere-Girlfriend (lol) who from to time wants to kill him or something.

So this is CLEARLY the most heavy thing Zen Buu pulled besides just restoring Kakkarot's Saiyan-Tail out of thin Air. Oob better get something out of this.

Or you'll what, exactly, Tapion? You can't fight outside of a match and even if you could, Raichi could easily take you down.
Also, Tapion, you could still ask for a wish from someone. Both Bra and Goku have already offered up their wishes.

I'm honestly not sure how to feel about this fight. It's going to be amazing, and drawn super well, no doubt about it. But idk, it's hard to get excited for this fight knowing that Goku and Vegeta could just do this back in their own universe. We've seen both of them fight with the whole Earth on the line twice before (Plus an extra time in chapter 78) and there's no real stakes with this, no more than there could be back home at least. Need a ring? They're friends with the announcer of the World Martial Arts tournament, and have a budget of a few hundred million Zenni via Bulma. Need an audience? How about the population of Earth, they could use some nice entertainment after 20 years of peace.

On top of that, I can't see either of them showing off anything new. Goku's already been pushed to the fainting point by Uub so I doubt he has anything else to show, and Vegeta's already shown his 2 trump cards. Hopefully I'll be proven wrong, but I still would've rather watched Uub vs Vegeta, that'd be a really cool fight since Uub's been training and learning new techniques.

You’re right… My powers are identical to my father’s. And XXI swatted him. Whereas Gast is a magician, and thus, better equipped to defeat him.

If that's how you see it then why didn't you forfeited from the beginning instead of trying to figure out a way to beat Gast? All that planning and imagination was for nothing!

Also! This page is not the true version! I hacked Salagir's computer & found the real page:



#Phipsilishealdhostage #SavePhipsil

Trunks: (sees Broly in U20) I quit! These Vargas are horrible!

newhinhin was saying: No way Goku is gonna lose for the plot point, right? right? He IS the main character

If we were to assume both Goku and U18 Vegeta are equals and Vegeta is more ruthless and cunning (look how he dismantled U13 Kakarotto and U17 Cell, he didn't just beat them, he pwned them good and Cell is clearly more powerful than Vegeta), then I'd say Goku is at a disadvantage, meaning his chances are a bit lower, but probably still close to 50-50.

zero logic was saying: DrewSaga was saying: Trunks: (sees Broly in U20) I quit! These Vargas are horrible!

newhinhin was saying: No way Goku is gonna lose for the plot point, right? right? He IS the main character

If we were to assume both Goku and U18 Vegeta are equals and Vegeta is more ruthless and cunning (look how he dismantled U13 Kakarotto and U17 Cell, he didn't just beat them, he pwned them good and Cell is clearly more powerful than Vegeta), then I'd say Goku is at a disadvantage, meaning his chances are a bit lower, but probably still close to 50-50.

We are not assuming that though. Goku is always two steps ahead of Vegeta as we have seen throughout the series. Vegeta even acknowledged this while fighting Kid Buu.

You are talking about DBZ Vegeta who is inferior by a significant amount to DBZ Goku, this is DBM Vegeta, 20 Years later, a lot has changed and not just in terms of power levels. After all, Vegeta hinted at having a power beyond SSJ3 and Goku never hinted at it himself (though I am confident he pulled it off).

But Goku does have one thing going, he is more naturally skilled at combat than Vegeta, but I am not sure the difference between the two matter much in DBM if again, Vegeta's ruthlessness and cunning puts him on top.

I would rather see Goku win since he only got 1 good fight in during the entire DBM story. Vegeta got his fill. Not that I mind Vegeta winning either.

Northeal was saying: This is totally unrelated to this page but I wanted to list every single person throughout the tournament who hasn't died yet. Feel free to correct me about anything. Also all of the spectators and Vargas were killed so that just leaves the 20 universes.

U1: South Kaioshin

U2: Not sure about each of them but I assume most or all of them haven't died.

U3: None lol

U4: Buu

U5: XXI? (need to know more about him

U6:Kat and the two girls who didn't participate

U7: None

U8: Jeice? (I think they just knocked him out but who knows)

U9: Videl?, Yamcha, Old Kai, Trunks, and Bulma (the novelization confirms Tenshinhan and Krillin died, but we have no idea if the others have. Videl knows the kaioken but it's possible the baldies taught her so who knows)

U10: Nail and Cargot (the novelization explains how the others died)

U11: Buu, Babidi? (he's not dead but he's a stone statue for all eternity)

U12: #16

U13: Raditz, Kakarot? (he's immortal but also claimed he died three times and Gohan disintegrated him)

U14: None lmao

U15: I'K'L's stupid mom

U16: Bra, Trunks, Vegetto? (he's the composite of two people who died. But he himself never died and he considers himself his own person beyond them)

U17: None unless some mini cells survived

U18: Pan, Uub, Bra

U19: Xenolium, Eliem

U20: Broly? (pretty sure he's still alive but we can hope that bitch died)

Wait, Future Trunks died? I thought he was on the dark planet with the rest of the good guys during the Bra VS Everyone fiasco.

I really don't understand the point of this chapter. It doesn't have any impact or the story or reveal something new. I understand sometimes there's a need to fill the time with side chapters while Salagir drows the main story but this artist is very good! so why not let hime moving forward in the plot?? (of course according to the Salagir's script)

Aizen: "Exactly like I had planned"



@Northeal

Dont take the novel as 100% canon on events. It's a fun read at times but it also took things a completely different route at times.