This joke is more for a French audience. It’s about Chef Otaku, a YouTuber who often debates the concept of "canon" in anime.
Chef Otaku is known for discussing such topics, sometimes controversially, which makes the connection between Broly, canon, and Chef Otaku amusing for those familiar with his content.

In dragonball multiverse U13 raditz said he was stronger than ginyu and his elite and nappa would probably be frieza first form level or second form but those guys are 30+ years into story and this is only 10 years so I think this raditz is maybe 2 x stronger at 3k and Nappa 2x stronger at 8k and Vegeta 2x stronger at 36k. I think a 2 fold increase is appropriate considering raditz was only 1.5 k despite being much older than goku and being on missions and in space for large amount of his life for 24+ years

Let’s remember training with king kai for months is worth hundreds of years on earth.

I don’t think these z warriors would be any stronger than king kai training goku even if they enter time chamber and train and have an additional 10 years. I think when saiyans read the scouters it will all say power levels around 8k.

I'm sorry Thorn, but I find that hard to believe. Icarion (Thorn's home planet) was presented more like a fantasy world in the sense of Lord of the Rings. Just from my first impression, I had the feeling that Alcmenians don't use technology much, but gather and pass on their knowledge traditionally. But they do have spaceships, so it is fine, I guess ... But that said, I find Thorn walks a fine line between competence and plot integrity. An OC who exceeds in the areas of established canon characters? Bulma is great at tech stuff and inventions, but Thorn is even better. Naw, you have to be careful not to overshadow the canon character too much. Nobody likes Gary Stus.

To the other point. Videl is superbly involved in the plot without putting her in danger. Brilliant idea with the helmet. Hopefully we'll see more of her in the future.

Nah, this wouldn't work due to DBM Broly plot armor. He would just yell very loudly and the spit would die from his maximumest power.

SeanPaul2389 was saying: Super Gojita 3 was saying: Paaah was saying: mAc Chaos was saying: At least this means Goku is training at King Kai's right? So he must be tremendously strong by this point.

Doubt he's being allowed to train since he was only allowed to originally because of a favor to Kami (who is dead now too so its unlikely to say the least).

Like others on previous pages have said there's no Goku resurrection because no ones going to Namek and Kamis dead so Earth has no dragon balls.

I was under the impression he was going to be allowed anyway, and the threat was a bit of additional commentary by kami, but that could just be the dub. I dunno. I'll check.

(3 miniutes later)

so he was allowed to go to heaven no issue.

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but theres also the issue of piccolo and co. going to kaios despite no perceived imminent threat. they were just allowed to go there, no questions asked.

freeza wasn't even discussed yet, and kaio would have rejected them if they walked in there saying "we're here to beat up the ginyus and freeza!"

so I'd say goku would be given that training, if it was offered.

so, was it? thats then up to goten kun, who decides that in this particular comic.

seeign as kami would hang out in either heaven or the check out station, like he did in canon when he was killed, I could see him maybe pulling some strings as a favor to goku from their business before, before going to heaven himself.

it would be kinda for nothing, with no db's, they don't know about namek, and unless kami finds out about his heritage in heaven, they have no leads.

So kaio samas training wouldn't lead to goku doing anything here even if he did get it.

They could pull the "One Day alive pass" He got during the Buu saga, there's a number of ways for him to get that info in heaven. It just depends on what direction the author wants. Like if they want to involve Goku or not, the beginning cover makes me think it's going in the direction of not including Goku at all in this comic.

I don't think that would work. if goten uses the logic of sal, they can't do a 1 day pass for revenge. bojack was allowed to run free, because he wasn't a threat like buu or even cell.

so getting revenge on radditz wouldn't work, and I doubt goku would be smart enough to lawyer this out to somehow include seeing his son gohan or some shit.

probably a lost cause there.

and kami...well, he made enma mad in canon just by speaking to him, makign bad conversation choices. so I doubt he could do any better. he barely got the trainign for kaio, and I would feel this is a bit more egregious as it involves the dead going to the mortal realm to attack people who aren't universal threats as opposed to just a dead guy going to kaios.

>the beginning cover makes me think it's going in the direction of not including Goku at all in this comic.

probably. hes dead, and most options are either unavailable, or unknown. or excluded for the reasons I posted above.

Monster was saying: SpanishSebas was saying: Females was saying: I am certain they have no chance of winning even with their training. The only one they could take out would be Raditz and that's if they had one on one with him since they held their own against the Saibemen who were around Raditz power level.

If after a year of training they surpassed Raditz, after 10 years they should be able to beat Nappa.

After 10 years they are able to beat imperfect cell

Tien and Krillin beating Imperfect Cell? I doubt it. Maybe Tien could with a powerful Kikoho by the time of the Buu Saga.

Females was saying: I am certain they have no chance of winning even with their training. The only one they could take out would be Raditz and that's if they had one on one with him since they held their own against the Saibemen who were around Raditz power level.

If after a year of training they surpassed Raditz, after 10 years they should be able to beat Nappa.

gaunter o dimm was saying: I dont know if you guys have eyes or what, but Broly going back to base would naturally have reset his power to below Super Saiyan 1 Vegito once again.

Of the myriad problems this story has, dropping Broly to base solves that problem.

You're saying that the LSSJ meter would be reset? So like, this Broly would be about as weak as the Broly in his first movie, when he first went LSSJ?

Is there lore on that?

Arctika said:News:

I recently started writing again, simply because I think it's important to finish universe 4 before the end of the DBM tournament, it seems very interesting to me for certain things.
The end is almost ready, but I have some "filler" to do, and it's interesting enough to develop it to the maximum. But I'm struggling in terms of time and motivation.
If you come to the DBMVerse multi-twitch + my channel on Saturday evening, we can discuss it and you can help me write these few chapters together if I'm struggling too much. :)
My little free time and my little inspiration are mainly focused on the main plot!


That's what I call making fun of the people... We've been waiting for 2 years. Anyway, if it doesn't motivate you that much or if it bothers you to write, then you shouldn't have gotten involved in such a project and then given up on everything. I suspect you have your reasons, your personal life and your obligations, but it's not very cool to have given up on us without saying anything... Anyway, thanks for the hope that's gone. You sent me dreams and fun and then nothing...


I hope someone will take up this story because I really want to discover more about this fascinating character from universe 4. I myself have always found myself imagining what Boo could have been by absorbing great warriors :)

But above all, a big thank you to all those people who bring life to and contribute to the work of DBM. Thanks to the entire community and the authors for this magnificent story :)

I guess I never thought about this move/power after this, since it's never used again. Could this have been used against someone on Babidi's attack? I guess their other weapons were much more effective. Plus they really need to keep their distance against foes like Cell and Bra.

Or is this the same thing that killed Dabura?

Well, after finding out about this fan series a month ago, I finally read up to the present day. And let me just say it was quite the journey. I really enjoyed every aspect of this and now that I’m caught up it’s sad. I have to wait now to read what comes next, but I’m extremely excited to see what happens. I’m glad to be part of this community now.


Also, my favorite character is Son Bra. Deal with it.

I've always found it a bit weird that Vegeta just used Gohan's earth name in canon, given how it's, well, an earth name and how it's similar to Goku which Vegeta insisted not to use.

happywarrior99 was saying: As for Gast's wish, Gast still has the option of fusing with U7 Lord Slug using U7 Lord Slug's body as the base for the fusion if U7 Lord Slug is still alive and not fused with anyone yet, because U7 Lord Slug is a Dragon Clan Namekian. Or failing that, Gast can just chose to visit U7 Planet Slug and live together with those U7 evil mutated Namekians who live on U7 Planet Slug.
According to the FAQ, that movie didn't happen in this continuity. Slug's not canon here

仅是剑客 was saying: Both SSJ3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan are stronger than super Buu, but they cannot control super Buu nor his character.
they probably arent as strong as broly is to this buu though

Always found it weird how the Ultra Armor was first presented as being on par with Android 16, and then later was able to give U17 Cell a hard time

News:

I recently started writing again, simply because I think it's important to finish universe 4 before the end of the DBM tournament, it seems very interesting to me for certain things.
The end is almost ready, but I have some "filler" to do, and it's interesting enough to develop it to the maximum. But I'm struggling in terms of time and motivation.
If you come to the DBMVerse multi-twitch + my channel on Saturday evening, we can discuss it and you can help me write these few chapters together if I'm struggling too much. :)
My little free time and my little inspiration are mainly focused on the main plot!

I feel like XXI needs more than 1 wish, very very curious what he wants to wish for, he seems very calculated and intelligent, so my guess is that his wishes must be very special ones

PrimeFighter was saying: Super Gojita 3 was saying: Rule 12 guys.

cool it on the judgement posts.

those posts are subject to deletion.

things like "you only posted that because you didn't read my post, actually" are subject to deletion, because they go against the rules.

I'll let it slide for now, but posting more like that will just get erased because they go against the rules.

refrain from doing so and please try to respond without that.

my advice as far as forum etiquette? try to respond to someone with the assumption that they don't have a bias, and try to reason with them.

on that note, have a good day and cheers!

That last bit, exactly. Thank you idk why it's so hard to do that. Was only talking about the character and not bashing Bra defenders. Just some unneeded extra comments people make is what's unfair to me and others who share opposing opinions.


AberrantDesign was saying: PrimeFighter was saying: The reason you don't understand actually, is Bra could've fought the mind control off. She VOLUNTARILY gave into the ecstasy of Babidi's spell. Even after she allowed the spell to resolve, she could've fought back to some degree at least, like Majin Vegeta did, but she didn't and chose to murder everyone instead..

Page 1828

That's specifically why I said even AFTER the mind control, she could've fought back. That page was to garter sympathy for Bra for her behavior in a way that made no sense. We know for a fact Vegeta was capable of fighting back. Supreme Kai himself said you can if your thoughts are pure, so page 1828 made 0 sense to me and is just to make Vegito look like a bad father when he's been completely correct in his judgement.

hmm. is it not possible the brain washing magic is too strong to "just do that"?

bra didn't submit to it willingly as you put it here "She VOLUNTARILY gave into the ecstasy of Babidi's spell. " which is objectively false.

AberrantDesign was saying: PrimeFighter was saying: That's specifically why I said even AFTER the mind control, she could've fought back. That page was to garter sympathy for Bra for her behavior in a way that made no sense. We know for a fact Vegeta was capable of fighting back. Supreme Kai himself said you can if your thoughts are pure, so page 1828 made 0 sense to me and is just to make Vegito look like a bad father when he's been completely correct in his judgement.
Just because you can fight back doesn't mean it's easy. If Babidi's mind control could be broken just by wanting to, he wouldn't have gotten control of one of the Ultras
It massively downplays how much effort it took Vegeta to pull it off

yup. the only reason it "seems easy" is because vegetto said so. and thats it? vegeta and cell are the only 2 examples out of all of babadis victims to do so with ease. maybe they are the exception and not the rule.

Interesting how he can regen without much energy...

Damian Qualshy was saying: Yes was saying: Well if he did anything to Gast after he forfeited that would of been against the rules and he would be disqualified.
I swear to Kami if they make Gast into the badguy here for this, he was literally about to be eaten alive by some entity that consumed his entire universe. Gast concluded that he could not win, it is up to Goku now.


Now I think Goku has a much better chance than others think here. Goku has seen what XXI can do and knows that he can send him to another realm like what happened to Vegito to outlast the timer and instead of being cocky like Vegito would attack him immediately and not let him pull that off or power through it. Another thing to note is I do not think that Gast's de-transformation/strength drain ability would work on Goku as Goku in ssj0 is not in a transformation truly just his base form with access to the power of the ssj forms - mastery of one's self. It would be interesting if Goku had something else up his sleeve like a new technique he was thinking of trying out similar to the soul punisher Gogeta has or using kaioken on top of ssj0 or maybe something entirely new. Goku is far more powerful than Gast in terms of raw power, Gast was having issues with U13 SSJ3 Ghost Vegeta after all who was stated by Nappa to be weaker than Full Power U18 SSJ2 Vegeta. Hard to say where Janemba ranked here, assuming he was about the same in power to in Fusion Reborn but the magic that he copied from Zen Buu is what saved him. While I think it will be a struggle for Goku I can see him finding a way to beat him.

Not. Gast is blocking the power output, all of it, not just detransforming someone, that's why Vegetto couldn't even move at all. So while it would be interesting to see if it would or wouldn't work against their Super Saiyan Zero (because it works in reverse to actual Super Saiyan by pulling the power inwards), I'm pretty sure the answer is yes.

"All power output", from what I understand about ssj0 they do not output any power which made it difficult for the spectators who use ki to watch their movement at first as they were not expecting it and had then had to just use their eyes; very similar how God Ki works in Super but I know it was written long before super was made. We do not know if XXI can do that technique as well but there has to be some limitation to it

Looking at the material coming out of XXI's mouth, eyes, and the hem of his robes, I can't help but to think of carbonite. It looks exactly the same.

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The Elder Kai also referred to XXI as "...the devourer of planets", and said, "He will eat it all,...".

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I posted this so late, I doubt anyone will see it - but I'm curious to know what you all think? I would imagine it's possible for nanotechnology to somehow advance (probably with some outside influence) and potentially gain a distinct persona. Being, what is essentially a "living" hive of intelligent computers, XXI would potentially be able to learn and absorb any type of information.

That would explain his ability to use magic - which would perfectly compliment his purely scientific/technological existence. His physical nature might even explain why we haven't even seen him throw a single punch yet, since it seems he (currently) does not wish to reveal his true nature yet.

hetap was saying: I really hope this doesn't end with XXI consuming Gast. He just died and was resurrected just a few chapters ago. Dying again so quickly would really make him look weak. Also, it would kind of kill the hype of his ongoing special (which I love so far btw).

Then again, I am a big Gast fan and so I don't want to see him lose, so I am biased.

Ngl I do hate how he has been shown this fight. Like both he and Bra thought that they were pretty close without magic, and yet Bra says she would have easily beat Janemba. The Smoke dude that's been helping XXI says he doesn't have magic on Zen Buus level when he put him down, and Zen Buu did consider ONLY GAST to be a genuine threat that he needed to plan for. And somehow U18 Goku is supposed to beat XXI at the end??? Like why even make Gast take on Bra's promise if he just loses the next fight that Bras says she would've won

Kongming5 was saying: also just wondering there is another dragonball multiverse branch i am reading involving king piccolos universe and cooler blew up gokus pod one, and right now earthlings have most of the ginyu force down, is one of the guys here making it? Im liking it as im liking this, i just like knowing who the artists are, im very slow to find out things
I think you're talking about this comic by Chewys here, right? "An earth without Goku".

This comic is not DBM canon, it's fanmade. Though it's partially similar to what Salagir's vision about U3 and U9 is.

Monster was saying: It is DBM cannon. It's just not part of the 20 universes in the tournament. First couple pages made it clear there are billions of universes.
No it's not canon to DBM. Why do you think Chewys' comic is not here on this website? It clearly mentions that this story is revolving around Universe 3 and Universe 9. The text on the link I posted even says its non official DBM canon lol

And we already had some real specials of these universes here on the DBM website, for example where Coola kills Frieza.

Kongming5 was saying: This will not go good. Raditz is not even down to 70% hp yet. And goku is at 20 with broken ribs debuff

also just wondering there is another dragonball multiverse branch i am reading involving king piccolos universe and cooler blew up gokus pod one, and right now earthlings have most of the ginyu force down, is one of the guys here making it? Im liking it as im liking this, i just like knowing who the artists are, im very slow to find out things
I think you're talking about this comic by Chewys here, right? "An earth without Goku".

This comic is not DBM canon, it's fanmade. Though it's partially similar to what Salagir's vision about U3 and U9 is.

Guys, did you see the sign in red on the wall in the background? :)

Bubbles was saying: Are they giving awards between the semi-finales and the finale?
Yes.

if they did kill an android, I wonder if it was 19?

ssj vegeta lives, or "lived" in this universe, so a ssj vegeta beat down on 19 could be possible. then well, vegeta got overconfident and died. and maybe gero did finish off a weak energy drained vegeta.

Fun fact: Loopwhirl used to be called Narub. Some languages like the Brazilian section still didn't change the name yet:

Gogeta should have the combined combat intelligence of Goku and Vegeta. They both fully understand Broly's abilities (invulnerability and unlimited power growth). This isn’t supposed to be a casual fight where Goku or Vegeta are looking to have fun—it’s a desperate plan to kill Broly. Yet, they keep relying on punches and kicks. It’s gone from being entertaining to downright frustrating to watch how no one seems to have a brain.
It shouldn’t be a prolonged fight. From the moment Gogeta appears, he should be launching his strongest attack, trying to take Broly down instantly without giving him any chance to grow stronger or counterattack. That would be the most logical approach. They have what’s essentially a super Majin Buu with the combined intelligence of the universe’s greatest warriors, yet neither Gogeta nor anyone else thinks of anything other than punching Broly? That’s what frustrates me about this comic.

YellNinja1600 was saying: Looks like our little thorn has grown up and become a fighter capable of moving faster than many Dbz sagas cannot tract.Or much more likely U7 Android 28 understimated U7 Thorn and got caught off guard.

DBM is not like DBS, DBO, DBX and DB GT where anyone has the ki potential to train their powerlevel to become at least as strong as Cell Saga Krillin.

On DBM continuity the average person's powerlevel grow potential is not bigger than the likes of Tao Pai Pai's powerlevel and Majin Spopovich's powerlevel.

Tao Pai Pai spent his entire life training his ki but his powerlevel was not higher than 210.

Even after Spopovich got the majin powerup, Majin Spopovich was only slightly stronger than Videl despite Videl having only a few days of experience in training her ki at the time.

YellNinja1600 was saying: Thorn has indeed been training under Gast these last 8-9 years.That would not amount to anything on DBM unless U7 Thorn is a mutant. If U7 Thorn is not a mutant, U7 Thorn's powerlevel grow potential would probably not be higher than Tao Pai Pai's powerlevel grow potential unless U7 Thorn gets access to certain powerlevel boost shortcuts hax like certain Dragon Ball franchise characters did.

Friendly reminder that U7 Kami did not fuse with U7 Gast, thus U7 Gast does not automatically have Kami's ability to uplift any average person into a powerful ki user via special ki training.

That's it, Namekseijin Densetsu is finished!
Started in 2014 and finished initially in 2016, concluding part 2 of the story, I decided to resume this story years later to conclude Piccolo's story.
Having made the manga 321Y in the meantime, I decided to make this third part a sequel, both to Namekseijin Densetsu, but also to 321Y by involving Tambo, a character that I really like.

I hope you enjoyed reading this story, even if I am far from having a high level of drawing. I put all my heart into this story.

With these last pages, we arrive very far in the future of Dragon Ball. About 600 years separate us from the end of Dragon Ball, I wanted to show with this ending that even if the danger is always present (whether it's Bracaa or something else), Piccolo will always make sure to be able to defend the planet Namek, from his hands or from those of his successors.

After 561 pages, this fan-manga is coming to an end and I'm quite happy to have been able to share it with you.

Early 2025 will see the beginning of my new fan-manga. I hope you'll like it!

Thank you all for taking the time to read my pages and talk about it with me here or elsewhere, thank you to Salagir for allowing me to share it on the DBM website.

See you soon for new adventures, long live Dragon Ball!

oskarloko was saying: In the Trunks timeline, 17 and 18 destroy all humanity because they were former criminals and brain-damaged by Gero experiments; a sociopath behaviour fueled by their inmense power.
But Gero/20 wants to conquer and impose a tyranical goverment (R&R Army rebuilt) but not to make a total genocide.

Maybe these are 17v2.0 and 18v2.0

that's what I was thinking, it doesn't make sense for Gero to start genociding humanity, but then again, Gero was written kind of inconsistently in the android saga as it was, with him just deciding to randomly kill people then flip flopping about how activating 16 would risk the world. go figure

Anyway, i think its def some version of 19 and 20, the skinny silhouette seems to have a hat on.

Damn Broly what that first doooo? Like others have said, this should a been the strat right off the bat. Using the fusion dance and saving the potara as a last resort (since fusion never succeeds the first time but comes close... A second fusion in the same fight might be really smart lol).

Still hoping they have the potara in their back pockets. I'm assuming we are going with pre-super potara rules so would make sense for THAT fusion technique to be a last resort

happywarrior99 was saying: So Bulma (the one from Universe 9?) actually did visit Universe 0 to see the DBM tournament but she spent the entire DBM tournament living inside the bathroom for several days for some reason, and she also looks like she is on her early 20s instead of looking like the middle aged over 50 years old woman she supposedly was at the time the DBM tournament started, she certainly looks younger than she did during the the Buu Saga.

Does the water from that shower come from a Fountain of Youth?

Did U4 Zen Buu do something to the water from that shower to give it properties similar to the magical water from a Fountain of Youth?

However I think that this page did not explain what happened to U18 Bulma and U16 Bulma during the DBM tournament.

Given what we learned in the last Broly movie, (that Bulma uses the dragon balls in lieu of cosmetic surgery) it probably tracks. Assuming they have dragon balls, that is. I honestly can't recall if they have Dende, or a Dende equivalent in U9 or not.

foiopaulo was saying: Gast's a beast!
But I think that, if XXI will win this, he'll attack now, behind his back.
Or summon some other foe, like a Hirudegarn, Hatchyak or... dunno, Dr. Wheelo?
My thought too.
That last panel screams "Sneak Attack".

Andy was saying: So Gast can copy pretty much any technique?

First the dark lightning magic from ZenBuu and now "Vegettos technique"?

I guess Janemba is done for, but will Gast thave enough strength left to defeat XXI? I highly doubt that
I think Gast fought both Cell and Buu in his universe. So he might have had to come up with it on his own.

Monster was saying: VeraKentaro was saying: So, Could Gast copy the Mafūba and launch it to XXI?.

I don't think XXI is one physical form that cns be sealed like how Buu was scattered everywhere.
At least under the spinoff comics, it is established that the Mafuba stopped working by the Nappa level.
And Dragon Ball Super is explicitly not canon for this comic. All that one got is a cameo visit by Beerus.

So, Could Gast copy the Mafūba and launch it to XXI?.

Janemba is at advantage here, but it might not be too late to turn the table still... But I think it's a lose here. (And I actually cannot think of a way he could dodge this).

If Ghast adds his own energy to it, that ball of energy could be dangerous.

Manga1977 was saying: Is this going to get another page or has it been abandon?
dbfan was saying: When are we getting more pages?
Soon, very very soon!

We already have the next two chapters translated. :)

Bra is starting to lose faith in her plan to throw the match for Gast and have Gast grant the wishes.

ChrisOfChaos was saying: Monster was saying: Bra realizing she goofed is a nice touch

She didn't though. Gast had a better chance of beating XXI than her.

True, I can't blame Bra here. No way she would know XXI can do this or would do this. For all Bra knew, XXI would have just done the same thing he did against her father had she been the one facing him.

Ultimate Lifeform was saying: Could it possibly be Baby or Omega? I know it's a stretch but I can't think of too many characters that would have so much info on these fighters.

GT is explicitly not canon to the events of Dragonball Multiverse.


Super Gojita 3 was saying: So, I wonder if the thing unleashed is a namekian. an old, ancient one that formed a pact with xxi way back in the past.

this namek wished for immortality, and merged with some nameks, but is a dragon type.

But this is a ruse, and the idea is that the namek wants to merge with gast, trying to trick gast saying things as a bluff "help me, I'm xxi's victim and hostage! the only way to save me is to destroy my body, but I'm immortal. so blah blah blah merge with me so we can stop xxi together! my dragon won't be his pawn if I'm gone!"


Oh wait you might be onto something here. In DBM lore Gast Carcolh was some old Namekian god. The Gast we know named himself after that god. Seems like an odd bit of lore to include in the story if it was never going to come up. Maybe XXI or one of his entities is that old god.

davysprocket was saying: Shot in the dark, XXI's part of that race Bardock ran into that can see the future but something happened that led them to staving off the Saiyan threat instead of accepting their fate.

That's actually a decent theory.

Pryomnicom was saying: Come on guys let's not be stupid. This is obviously a flashback - it literally contradicts the last few main chapters and starts with going into the grand Kais imagination.
This is probably just a silly chapter to give Asura more time to draw.

You ask too much of the commenters. Obvious fun chapter is obvious.
I thought it was goofy and enjoyable. Of course I prefer the main story, but after so many years you get use to the breaks in-between. Or people should be use to it. It's always been this way. Not a big deal. The high quality work we get in return is well worth the wait.

Hope Tambo is Vegeta's kin and not Gokus

Man it's been so long since I read this comic that I can't even remember when and why Kakarot and Raditz decided they wanted to kill Vegeta... I think I have some re-reading to do.

The Dandelorean was saying: I just realized. BRACA DABURA. Abracadabra. You slick af
Nice

Evil Goku immortal finally confirmed