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I'm betting the wish is gonna be what causes Vegetto to go berserk, I'm guessing his plan is to wear Goku out with this fight with Vegetto and therefore fighting a fatigued Goku. I imagine this Dragon's abilities are very limited seeing how he can't seem to do the dimension wish he did on Vegetto more than once. (If he could then he would have done that every time) This is probably why this guy is gunning for the Namek Balls, they are canonically broken magic items especially compared to the Earth Balls.
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Considering XXI's reaction to his plan to eat Gast failing...I wonder if that reveals a vulnerability of his. Maybe outside of his flesh-eating smoke cloud form/ability he might not be able to repeat these counter's he's been using. If he did, he would have just done his Vegitto trick on his other opponents. He also wouldn't freak out after the Gast fight, why be nervous when he has that ability in his pocket especially considering Goku as an opponent isn't as impressive as Gast.
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Starting to get what Elder Kai mean when he said he ate his universe.
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I can't believe Ghast and friends sent Gero a "Cease and Desist" email, I'd guess this was the diplomat's idea. Hello evil conqueror! Could you perhaps stop being evil and give in to DEMOCRACY, it would sure be swell if you did!
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I feel like the "Kioshin's" authority doesn't matter much if you can't enforce it, maybe they should consider getting stronger.
Namekseijin Densetsu page 553
I'm betting that guy who escaped in that plane is gonna try and jump in to steal the wish. It will give Goku an excuse to get into a fight.
321Y page 342
He's taken worse, remember when Trunks and Goten broke him when he was a statue, and he just shattered into pieces? He regenerated from that state when Dabora died.
Namekseijin Densetsu page 540
siksteen was saying:
Buyon is actually talking. I wonder what comes from this.
ChrisOfChaos was saying: I mean, it is a sweet scene, but Buu and Goku barely knew each other, right? They've spent maybe five minutes total talking before. I know Goku has an effect on people, though.
Buu fought against Kid Buu along with Goku and Vegeta, then Goku literally said Buu deserved a second chance and then they made a wish to make people forget about him so he could live along with the humans on Earth. So yeah, that's the Goku effect I guess.
ChrisOfChaos was saying: I mean, it is a sweet scene, but Buu and Goku barely knew each other, right? They've spent maybe five minutes total talking before. I know Goku has an effect on people, though.
Buu fought against Kid Buu along with Goku and Vegeta, then Goku literally said Buu deserved a second chance and then they made a wish to make people forget about him so he could live along with the humans on Earth. So yeah, that's the Goku effect I guess.
That and the fact this is FAR into the future of Dragon Ball. Goku is from an age where Buu was surrounded by friends and those, he considered family, it's nice seeing an old friend after a VERY long time. They have a long history by this point, so long in fact that Boo has taken a completely different form than when he knew Goku and Goku is now an old man who's also dead, given the Halo.
Rustcrust was saying:
I wonder if the first panel is a subtle reference to Gogeta, because of Fusion Reborn and stuff
Now I'm wondering what the fusion between Kakarotto and Vegeta will look like. 1 Replie(s)
While I would like Gast to win, I doubt it. Not only because XXI has seemingly been built up as the big antagonist/main tournament rival, with his mystery hacks and his mysterious everything (think Jackie Chun, Tien, Piccolo Junior) but also because he always seems to have a hack up his sleeve to win the match for him. He says he doesn't, but I don't trust anything that comes out of his mouth, he's gonna either do something crazy like have a way to reverse Ghast's Namekian fusion therefore disqualifying him like Gotenks was... or he's gonna reveal his true form, beat Ghast and reveal himself as a major powerhouse in order to up the stakes for his eventually fight with Goku.
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Demon guy's gonna be SO pissed when he finds out his Immortality is gone, and he killed the nearest set of Dragon Balls. Gonna be kicking himself after this.
Namekseijin Densetsu page 520
Pizzachu was saying:
UltraExtream was saying: I hope the three wishes is make demon boy mortal, 2nd wish make piccolo young again and 3rd restore all the nameks strength.
I can't wait to see the look on demon Boys face when he's being vaporized.
Shenron can't grant the same wish twice so he might not be able to make Piccolo young again.
I can't wait to see the look on demon Boys face when he's being vaporized.
Shenron can't grant the same wish twice so he might not be able to make Piccolo young again.
While Piccolo does say he's his reincarnation, in truth he's literally his son so it wouldn't be granting the same wish twice. Besides, I feel like the Dragon Balls abandoned that rule a long time ago. I think now the rule is you can't bring the same person back twice. 2 Replie(s)
This is actually a very hard fight to predict, while it seems in Vegeta's favor since Raditz's mystic form has been stated to not be enough to even beat Vegeta prior to his new form and Kakarot's immortality isn't as good as DBS Zamasu's however, Vegeta has used a lot of Ki fighting them all in SSJ3, they probably aren't runny that low either. This is a form that's biggest weakness is it drains your Ki fast; this is doubly so because Vegeta doesn't have much experience with it. He'll be more careful with it since he already died before because of running out of Ki however that is offset by the fact Vegeta has already been using it before they separated.
The biggest point against Vegeta is that he used his Final Flash (or at least a similar move) which is a technique that is very costly. It's a blast (in the original material at least) that was strong enough to vaporize Perfect Cell's arm despite the fact the one using it didn't attain Mastered Super Saiyan, something like that has to cost a lot of Ki. I think I remember Vegeta breathing heavy after firing it. Even if it's just a super powered Ki wave that just so happened to look like the Final Flash, (he did something similar against Recoome) Vegeta using a massive Ki wave while using a form infamous for draining the user means this isn't as cut and dry a fight as one might expect. If Vegeta can't finish the fight in his next couple moves than he's finished, and they can't be anything too costly otherwise he'll drain that much faster.
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The biggest point against Vegeta is that he used his Final Flash (or at least a similar move) which is a technique that is very costly. It's a blast (in the original material at least) that was strong enough to vaporize Perfect Cell's arm despite the fact the one using it didn't attain Mastered Super Saiyan, something like that has to cost a lot of Ki. I think I remember Vegeta breathing heavy after firing it. Even if it's just a super powered Ki wave that just so happened to look like the Final Flash, (he did something similar against Recoome) Vegeta using a massive Ki wave while using a form infamous for draining the user means this isn't as cut and dry a fight as one might expect. If Vegeta can't finish the fight in his next couple moves than he's finished, and they can't be anything too costly otherwise he'll drain that much faster.
Not only did Tambo's Papa expend a great deal on the Neo-Tri Beam (I go by Tenkaichi 2 logic, there's a difference between Tri Beam and the one he used on Nappa and 2nd Form Cell in the games) which weakens you, it didn't work since Tambo is the God Damn Oozaru. Apparently, it did so little that Great Ape Tambo is able to do the faster than light zip effect and get in a direct attack. (Think whenever a character moves so fast, they seemingly teleport, (it's just moving from point A to Point B really fast) it has that "twung" sound effect, you'd know it if you heard it) Even if he learns to take his tail out Tambo's Papa is gonna be a hell of a lot weaker than before. Tambo might have a chance to get his first big win in.
321Y page 300
I'll be honest, even if he was still in control, he probably would have done the exact same thing.
321Y page 290
It seems he's aware of what MC (sorry I can't remember his name) is but he wasn't aware of their ability to transform into an Oozaru. If he did know then he would have known how to stop the form, it makes me wonder if he knows about Super Saiyan.
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I may be making connections that aren't there, but this looks like a similar scene to the Future Trunks (anime) Special where young Trunks is riding in a car with Bulma and hears about the androids attacking a city. In the special Bulma tries to dissuade Trunks form going (because it's dangerous) but goes anyway because he hopes to save someone. This scene seems to be taking the opposite dynamic with Gohan being reluctant to step in because he has lost hope while Roshi encourages him to go.
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FishNChips was saying:
Always hated the androids in the mirai timeline. Must confess I felt some satisfaction when Cell got both of them. Just little crazy kids wasting everyone on the planet for shits and giggles...
... but those two weren't the mirai androids. 1 Replie(s)
Ya know, if Tambo is stronger than demon guy then he could actually just pin him to the ground and ask Supreme Kai to conjure some Kichin rope (he was able to conjure a block of Kichin so it is something he can do) they tie him up, Tambo keeps an eye on him to keep him from doing anything crazy and everyone else wipes out Demon Guy's army. Then they can plan all they want what to do with him, like maybe finding someone who knows how to do the Mafuba, or making a new set of balls and wishing away his immortality in a number of months or a year. Of course, if demon guy is strong enough to fight Tambo then that plan wouldn't work but it's funny to think that immortality alone doesn't guarantee you victory.
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Namekseijin Densetsu page 479
Ok the villains doubting the new arrival, this is feeling like a Goku moment. Hope Tambo does something to give demon guy an "impossible, how can this be!?" moment.
Namekseijin Densetsu page 476
Now we may get a peek to how strong Tambo will eventually become, he is part Saiyan after all, so he's bound to strong.
Namekseijin Densetsu page 475
If he was an option (assuming he's pretty strong, he is part Saiyan after all and he's got that third eye, and he's the protagonist of his own story) why didn't they call on him sooner? Like, before demon guy wished for immortality?
Namekseijin Densetsu page 475
I know it's been said that all of the mainline fighters have passed away by now but I can't help but feel like that's an outfit Tien would wear. If it's not him, it's likely to be Uub.
Namekseijin Densetsu page 474
Ok I feel it's important to talk about Bra here in a fairer manner, at least compared to how most of the comments in this and the previous pages have been. I find the hate for her in these last couple pages very unreasonable. I see comments asking why she is acting stupid when it's made abundantly clear she's having an emotional response, she's not acting rationally since she just saw someone, she considers her little sister get her neck snapped. Obviously, she isn't going to be acting or saying anything that is remotely rational, since A. She has Anger issues and B. She's having an emotional response. That's why when Gohan makes this statement, she backs down, because she's angry but not mad enough to actually hurt the people she loves. It's also because she's a very stubborn person (something she probably got from her Vegitto/Vegeta side) all of this results in questioning why Gohan doesn't seem angry because she's rash and stubborn, making it hard for her to see the restrained anger he's dealing with. Also, why she sticks to this line of thinking until Gohan makes it very clear he's angry and explaining the consequences of the rash idea she has in her head. It's honestly a very good scene showcasing Bra's negative character traits (which are later worsened due to magic) and showing how mature Gohan is. I get hating her when she's cocky and overconfident but not when she's lashing out due to witnessing someone, she cares about dying. Again, I'm fine with hating her but only for the right reasons.
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kingworld was saying:
siksteen was saying: Uhhhhh.... okay?
So, is it a he or a she?
Why does it matter?
Also, "they" seem quite appropriate, and it's never wrong when you don't know their gender. I mean, maybe their species has no genders or dozen.
So, is it a he or a she?
Why does it matter?
Also, "they" seem quite appropriate, and it's never wrong when you don't know their gender. I mean, maybe their species has no genders or dozen.
This is exactly why we want to know, so we know what pronoun to use weather their a "he", "she" or (as you put it) "they", that's a valid option too. (darn I did a double, is it possible to delete this?"
Cell shows Dabura what heavily wounded actually looks like.
DBMultiverse Colors page 120
Dabura: I cleaved you in half!
Cell: I parried your blade with my body, the advantage is mine, fool! 1 Replie(s)
DBMultiverse Colors page 117
Cell: I parried your blade with my body, the advantage is mine, fool! 1 Replie(s)
Gatsu81 was saying:
SeanPaul2389 was saying: This would be a good time to reveal that they had the dragon fake his wish and instead did something else. Would really screw up his plans, also if that's not the case I have no idea where it goes from here. With the bad guy not dead, Piccolo stays in stone and since this is a Namekian oriented story, I don't see how else the story can go when the bad guy has the hero beat and apparently got immortality (of which he hasn't tested out yet).
But Porunga just confirmed two pages ago that he made Bracaa immortal... so, either there is some other guy with the same name who has been made immortal in his stead, or it's pretty much a done deal.
But Porunga just confirmed two pages ago that he made Bracaa immortal... so, either there is some other guy with the same name who has been made immortal in his stead, or it's pretty much a done deal.
Theoretically, since they say their wish in Namekian, they could just wish for whatever and just tell the Dragon to say he gave him immorality. It's a big if but I think it's reasonable enough to suspect this could be the case. Otherwise, I don't really know where their gonna take this story. What does the story do when you have the bad guy pretty much win in all regards, in both beating the good guys and gaining immortality, especially since this is a Namekian centered story. I don't see Goku and friends coming in to save the day since this comic has been soley focused on the Namekians. 1 Replie(s)
Nice to see that Cold's men are as incompetent as Freeza's was on Namek.
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This would be a good time to reveal that they had the dragon fake his wish and instead did something else. Would really screw up his plans, also if that's not the case I have no idea where it goes from here. With the bad guy not dead, Piccolo stays in stone and since this is a Namekian oriented story, I don't see how else the story can go when the bad guy has the hero beat and apparently got immortality (of which he hasn't tested out yet).
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ShMike was saying:
Technically, there is a loophole to the "wish the bad guy away strategy" as long as you get the dragon to agree to grant two wishes at once.
Wish 1: Wish the planet be moved to a different location of the universe.
Wish 2: Wish everyone but the bad guy be moved to the different location of the universe.
Basically the bad guy is stuck in the middle of space :D
Wish 1: Wish the planet be moved to a different location of the universe.
Wish 2: Wish everyone but the bad guy be moved to the different location of the universe.
Basically the bad guy is stuck in the middle of space :D
You mean stuck in space with Namek or alone? 1 Replie(s)
Honestly, I only remember his name because Bojack says his name during a clip of SSJ2 Gohan finishing Bojack and his crew.
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BangBang was saying:
They could have wished foor him to ne teleported to the core of a star...But, noooooo.
Unfortunately, they could not. We already saw a wish made to teleport Goku back to earth but since he was able to refuse it then that must mean if your strong enough then the Dragon or creator of the Dragon, has to get their consent. It's similar logic as to why the main cast couldn't kill the Saiyan on their way to Earth since they were stronger than Kami. It's also good since it means the Dragon Balls can't literally solve all of the main cast's big bad problems, like instead of teleporting Piccolo to Namek, they could have teleported Freeza to a sun or off world.
I do think there were other options like undoing Piccolo's petrification and then while Piccolo kept the other guy busy give him his youth back so he's a match for him. 3 Replie(s)
And Bojack just pulled a Kylo, killing people for no other reason than the fact they were trying to help you. This is an example of a poor way to use the trope of the bad guy killing their minions. Back when Vader did it, he at least did it because his minions screwed up. This here is just Bojack being comically evil, if they wanted to portray him as someone too prideful or whatever to run from a fight with the Frost Demons, he should have just rejected the idea rather than whatever this was.
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kingworld was saying:
WukongTheMighty was saying: Sayazur was saying: Belsurs was saying: As someone who loves playing as Turles in Budokai Tenkaichi 3, I gotta show some appreciation for Turles calling Frieza a princess. If you play as Turles against Vegeta (doesn't matter what saga but I can't remember if it works on SSJ4 Vegeta) and win, Turles will condescendingly say, "Aww, the Princess of all Saiyans" while dramatically crossing his arms. Glad to see Turles is still throwing the same kinda shade in this comic!
It's not even a deliberate reference, Hazard does things well XD
I'm French and the majority of French people play with Japanese voices (sorry, but most of us find American dubbing and dbz music awful) ^^'
Not to worry, most English speakers find French dubbing even worse :)
I'd be immensely surprised if even a percent of USAians (or even UKians, for what matters) had even once listened to any other dub. So I'm extremely confident that "most English speakers", which means more than 50% of them, could NOT express any sort of opinion on the French dubbing, given that they are thoroughly ignorant about that.
(Also yes, USAian dubbing is worse than Japanese one imo, if nothing else because it makes Goku sound like a Marvel/DC copypaste superhero rather than a playful childlike fight fanatic)
RockyJoe was saying: What is with all the f-bombs? This is Dragon Ball, not Die Hard.
What the fuck is a f-bomb?
It's not even a deliberate reference, Hazard does things well XD
I'm French and the majority of French people play with Japanese voices (sorry, but most of us find American dubbing and dbz music awful) ^^'
Not to worry, most English speakers find French dubbing even worse :)
I'd be immensely surprised if even a percent of USAians (or even UKians, for what matters) had even once listened to any other dub. So I'm extremely confident that "most English speakers", which means more than 50% of them, could NOT express any sort of opinion on the French dubbing, given that they are thoroughly ignorant about that.
(Also yes, USAian dubbing is worse than Japanese one imo, if nothing else because it makes Goku sound like a Marvel/DC copypaste superhero rather than a playful childlike fight fanatic)
RockyJoe was saying: What is with all the f-bombs? This is Dragon Ball, not Die Hard.
What the fuck is a f-bomb?
Apparently it's a euphemism for the word fuck.
I completely forgot the Mary Sue Character was still here, so for a second, I was thrown for a loop.
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ssj McMichael was saying:
Both recovered from near death experiences too, both are stronger now than at the start of the fight. Feel like this adds to the frustration the other saiyans.
Don't forget, we still have the Vegito freak out coming up. Gast and XXI have both shown they can neutralize Vegito. Gast and XXI are next in the ring. Would Vegito pull some shady moves to get the two remaining magicians away from the rest of the fighters?
Don't forget, we still have the Vegito freak out coming up. Gast and XXI have both shown they can neutralize Vegito. Gast and XXI are next in the ring. Would Vegito pull some shady moves to get the two remaining magicians away from the rest of the fighters?
If we're talking Zenkai Boosts, ZenBuu already has stated in the DBM canon that after a Saiyan achieves Super Saiyan, they stop receiving Zenkai's.
They're being good sports; this is the best.
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FitMarshmellow was saying:
FusionManBad was saying: kiobruh was saying: Cooler was saying: Just a parody.
that's about right. plus this whole page just seems like a translation error.
honestly it feels like vegeta is over powering goku in this what if scenario with vegito. A more realistic permeant vegito would basically be goku with a knack for insulting his opponents.
If you rewatch Vegetto vs Boo in Z (original not US dub where Goku is Superman) you will see that he's pretty much a overpowered goofier Vegeta, Goku's personality is pretty bland he's a chill simpleton who likes to fight and eat while Vegeta is far more complex character so personalitywise i'd say Vegetto is 75% Vegeta and 25% Goku.
FitMarshmellow was saying: I see a lot of debate here on Vegetto’s reaction which is where I’m gonna post a sort of essay I wrote on the novelization to see why I think this choice is effective.
i think one of the interesting things with u16 is how its existence is basically the antithesis of Dragon Ball. its stories are darker and more complicated, more about the heroes' internal strifes than the external conflicts they grow to match, its philosophy more concerned with moral codes and right and wrong--all because Vegetto breaks the themes of Dragon Ball.
Dragon Ball is all about self improvement--its one and only rule being "There is always someone out there stronger than you." this is the guardrails that keep the universe in check. uncomplicated. Goku doesn't have to be a paragon of justice in that kind of world, he just needs to chase that urge to become better than he was the day before and that will usually lead him down the right path. usually, this means "heroic" actions are rewarded as more "villainous" one tend to bog down the individual with ego, pride, insecurity, etc. it's why Vegeta is cursed to be second fiddle: no matter how much he improves, he will never be as pure hearted as Son Goku in the chase for self improvement, because he will always have an iota of pride and superiority in him.
we can even say that's why it mocks the superhero genre semi-frequently in-universe (Ginyu Force, Great Saiyaman, Gammas, Jaco, etc.), because the philosophy of the universe scoffs at the self-important idea of knowing for a fact what is morally just and what is morally unjust, because the only thing you can do that is right is improve oneself.
so it's pretty funny that Vegetto and Co. are portrayed as space cops keeping order in the universe by the decree of incompetent Kais. this is something that Dragon Ball would make fun of--but in u16, it can't. because how is Vegetto supposed to aim to improve when he's the strongest there is?
there is no one out there stronger than Vegetto. he doesn't train everyday in gravity chambers and take his body to its limit, using a senzu to heal all wounds and start again tomorrow--no, he stands around with all the strength he will ever have and eats senzus in bulk because his parasitic power needs to feed off of his unnatural, magical body at rates no regular meal can match (an utter perversion of the saiyan appetite). there is nothing that he can improve in terms of his passion, his purpose. if anyone defeats him, it's not because they bested him--it's because they cheated. it's because they do not, at any level, engage with what is considered fair in this universe. this is a FACT. so then, the idea of someone becoming stronger than Vegetto isn't an exciting idea that pushes him to improve, it's a horrifying vision of a dystopia where the universe is done for. it's not about the passion of battle and chasing a better version of you. the better version of you is here, and his passion of battle turned out to a disgusting taste for crushing others. these people don't aim to be stronger for themselves, they aim to be stronger to stop one another.
that means the focus of the u16 dragon team isn't growing stronger and better, it's dealing with moral dilemmas of right and wrong, utilitarian responsibilities versus deontological ethics. when you are the strongest in the universe, your actions are all only accountable to yourselves, so you need to constantly self-manage. and in a world where accountability can be wished away, it can create a person who has no innate sense of right and wrong. so they need to commit an act that the universe sees as against its nature: create an order of right and wrong.
ironically, the only person in this universe who feels like a Dragon Ball character is Bra. she's the only one aiming to get stronger, to always be training, and to surpass herself. but because of vegetto's poisoning of the universe by his existence, this is seen as a threat and is discouraged at every turn. vegetto doesn't encourage his daughter to become stronger, he punishes her. if he hadn't, if he had always told her that she will grow to be stronger than him if she worked hard and pushed her in that direction, odds are she would've become far more disciplined and much more like the Son family she likes to attach herself to. yet thanks to vegetto's poisoning, he created a being that twisted the original philosophy of Dragon Ball from an optimistic one into a pessimistic one.
"There's always someone out there stronger than you."
in u18, this is a statement that pushes our warriors forward. in u16, this is a statement that holds them back. son bra is the confused child that is born out of that twisting. a character with all of Son Goku's lust for battle, but with none of the challenge to match it. with all of Gohan's rage, but with none of the hesitation to commit violence. with all of Goten and Trunks' childish brattiness, but with none of the innocent purity. with all of Vegeta's insecurity of being second-best, but with none of the pride. with all of Vegetto's power, but with none of the good will he had from saving the universe.
vegetto broke Dragon Ball, and his daughter has to suffer because of it.
Cool essay, you're right about self improvement being a big theme in Dragon Ball but the rest not so much. While Vegetto sucks at pedagogy he never really discouraged Bra, he disciplined her harshly (to be fair she did make a sun go supernova and killed her own brother) and he was responsible for protecting the whole universe after all, she was clearly a threat. Hell in the whole Majin arc he kept unwavering faith that Bra and Gohan would foil the whole thing. Vegetto did train Bra and taught her his techniques so how exactly he did discourage her to improve? He just tried to make sure that Bra learned self control and didn't went full berserker and anihilated the whole universe he's responsible to protect(even though a good father would have been true to his word and signed her out of the tournament when she killed Zangya). DBM is great despite its shortcomings and Vegetto's sudden change
from someone with a temper to a pathetic asshole is one of those, its almost like Salagir sacrificed Vegetto's character to give Bra character development, nothing wrong with how she's developing and looking for self control but the way everyone reacted in the story going with "its all Vegetto's fault" is kinda ass.
I mostly disagree, because I don’t really think Vegetto changed all that much? It’s more of a spiral because his vision of right and wrong is being questioned. And I know it’s popular to shit on Bra, but her having an issue with “self control” is not anyone’s fault but Vegetto. Him sucking at teaching her isn’t just a quirk, it’s an actual problem when your child’s the heir to the title of strongest in the universe. The comic struggles to communicate this, but the novelisation is a bit better on that front. Her whole attachment to the Son name comes from her yearning for a more supportive family, rather than one that looks at her like a ticking time bomb, because in the end: she was a child when they started doing that to her! If she was a time bomb, that’s because her parents failed to set an example and raise her.
This will be a strange piece of evidence to point to because of its dubious canonicity, but you don’t need to look further than the Gokhan section in the color comic. Pan in that universe is obviously stronger than Bra of U16, however she has none of the control issues and is (VERY IMPORTANTLY) being encouraged to become even greater and stronger than her very supportive father. Salagair makes a comment on how that universe is too boring because it’s perfect, and the parallels of how this universe is better than U16 are obvious: the replacement of Vegetto with Gokhan. I think Vegetto’s descent is congruous with his actions at the beginning and was the intention from the start, it’s just that there was an illusion that Vegetto was more like his parts than he actually was, mostly because he was never challenged all that often—and everytime he reacts “OoC,” it’s always in the same situation: him getting challenged in some way. So I don’t think it’s out of his character, we just didn’t understand it as well as we do now.
that's about right. plus this whole page just seems like a translation error.
honestly it feels like vegeta is over powering goku in this what if scenario with vegito. A more realistic permeant vegito would basically be goku with a knack for insulting his opponents.
If you rewatch Vegetto vs Boo in Z (original not US dub where Goku is Superman) you will see that he's pretty much a overpowered goofier Vegeta, Goku's personality is pretty bland he's a chill simpleton who likes to fight and eat while Vegeta is far more complex character so personalitywise i'd say Vegetto is 75% Vegeta and 25% Goku.
FitMarshmellow was saying: I see a lot of debate here on Vegetto’s reaction which is where I’m gonna post a sort of essay I wrote on the novelization to see why I think this choice is effective.
i think one of the interesting things with u16 is how its existence is basically the antithesis of Dragon Ball. its stories are darker and more complicated, more about the heroes' internal strifes than the external conflicts they grow to match, its philosophy more concerned with moral codes and right and wrong--all because Vegetto breaks the themes of Dragon Ball.
Dragon Ball is all about self improvement--its one and only rule being "There is always someone out there stronger than you." this is the guardrails that keep the universe in check. uncomplicated. Goku doesn't have to be a paragon of justice in that kind of world, he just needs to chase that urge to become better than he was the day before and that will usually lead him down the right path. usually, this means "heroic" actions are rewarded as more "villainous" one tend to bog down the individual with ego, pride, insecurity, etc. it's why Vegeta is cursed to be second fiddle: no matter how much he improves, he will never be as pure hearted as Son Goku in the chase for self improvement, because he will always have an iota of pride and superiority in him.
we can even say that's why it mocks the superhero genre semi-frequently in-universe (Ginyu Force, Great Saiyaman, Gammas, Jaco, etc.), because the philosophy of the universe scoffs at the self-important idea of knowing for a fact what is morally just and what is morally unjust, because the only thing you can do that is right is improve oneself.
so it's pretty funny that Vegetto and Co. are portrayed as space cops keeping order in the universe by the decree of incompetent Kais. this is something that Dragon Ball would make fun of--but in u16, it can't. because how is Vegetto supposed to aim to improve when he's the strongest there is?
there is no one out there stronger than Vegetto. he doesn't train everyday in gravity chambers and take his body to its limit, using a senzu to heal all wounds and start again tomorrow--no, he stands around with all the strength he will ever have and eats senzus in bulk because his parasitic power needs to feed off of his unnatural, magical body at rates no regular meal can match (an utter perversion of the saiyan appetite). there is nothing that he can improve in terms of his passion, his purpose. if anyone defeats him, it's not because they bested him--it's because they cheated. it's because they do not, at any level, engage with what is considered fair in this universe. this is a FACT. so then, the idea of someone becoming stronger than Vegetto isn't an exciting idea that pushes him to improve, it's a horrifying vision of a dystopia where the universe is done for. it's not about the passion of battle and chasing a better version of you. the better version of you is here, and his passion of battle turned out to a disgusting taste for crushing others. these people don't aim to be stronger for themselves, they aim to be stronger to stop one another.
that means the focus of the u16 dragon team isn't growing stronger and better, it's dealing with moral dilemmas of right and wrong, utilitarian responsibilities versus deontological ethics. when you are the strongest in the universe, your actions are all only accountable to yourselves, so you need to constantly self-manage. and in a world where accountability can be wished away, it can create a person who has no innate sense of right and wrong. so they need to commit an act that the universe sees as against its nature: create an order of right and wrong.
ironically, the only person in this universe who feels like a Dragon Ball character is Bra. she's the only one aiming to get stronger, to always be training, and to surpass herself. but because of vegetto's poisoning of the universe by his existence, this is seen as a threat and is discouraged at every turn. vegetto doesn't encourage his daughter to become stronger, he punishes her. if he hadn't, if he had always told her that she will grow to be stronger than him if she worked hard and pushed her in that direction, odds are she would've become far more disciplined and much more like the Son family she likes to attach herself to. yet thanks to vegetto's poisoning, he created a being that twisted the original philosophy of Dragon Ball from an optimistic one into a pessimistic one.
"There's always someone out there stronger than you."
in u18, this is a statement that pushes our warriors forward. in u16, this is a statement that holds them back. son bra is the confused child that is born out of that twisting. a character with all of Son Goku's lust for battle, but with none of the challenge to match it. with all of Gohan's rage, but with none of the hesitation to commit violence. with all of Goten and Trunks' childish brattiness, but with none of the innocent purity. with all of Vegeta's insecurity of being second-best, but with none of the pride. with all of Vegetto's power, but with none of the good will he had from saving the universe.
vegetto broke Dragon Ball, and his daughter has to suffer because of it.
Cool essay, you're right about self improvement being a big theme in Dragon Ball but the rest not so much. While Vegetto sucks at pedagogy he never really discouraged Bra, he disciplined her harshly (to be fair she did make a sun go supernova and killed her own brother) and he was responsible for protecting the whole universe after all, she was clearly a threat. Hell in the whole Majin arc he kept unwavering faith that Bra and Gohan would foil the whole thing. Vegetto did train Bra and taught her his techniques so how exactly he did discourage her to improve? He just tried to make sure that Bra learned self control and didn't went full berserker and anihilated the whole universe he's responsible to protect(even though a good father would have been true to his word and signed her out of the tournament when she killed Zangya). DBM is great despite its shortcomings and Vegetto's sudden change
from someone with a temper to a pathetic asshole is one of those, its almost like Salagir sacrificed Vegetto's character to give Bra character development, nothing wrong with how she's developing and looking for self control but the way everyone reacted in the story going with "its all Vegetto's fault" is kinda ass.
I mostly disagree, because I don’t really think Vegetto changed all that much? It’s more of a spiral because his vision of right and wrong is being questioned. And I know it’s popular to shit on Bra, but her having an issue with “self control” is not anyone’s fault but Vegetto. Him sucking at teaching her isn’t just a quirk, it’s an actual problem when your child’s the heir to the title of strongest in the universe. The comic struggles to communicate this, but the novelisation is a bit better on that front. Her whole attachment to the Son name comes from her yearning for a more supportive family, rather than one that looks at her like a ticking time bomb, because in the end: she was a child when they started doing that to her! If she was a time bomb, that’s because her parents failed to set an example and raise her.
This will be a strange piece of evidence to point to because of its dubious canonicity, but you don’t need to look further than the Gokhan section in the color comic. Pan in that universe is obviously stronger than Bra of U16, however she has none of the control issues and is (VERY IMPORTANTLY) being encouraged to become even greater and stronger than her very supportive father. Salagair makes a comment on how that universe is too boring because it’s perfect, and the parallels of how this universe is better than U16 are obvious: the replacement of Vegetto with Gokhan. I think Vegetto’s descent is congruous with his actions at the beginning and was the intention from the start, it’s just that there was an illusion that Vegetto was more like his parts than he actually was, mostly because he was never challenged all that often—and everytime he reacts “OoC,” it’s always in the same situation: him getting challenged in some way. So I don’t think it’s out of his character, we just didn’t understand it as well as we do now.
I more or less agree that Bra's lack of control is Vegitto's fault, both genetically (since he is the reason she's so powerful) and because of how he handled her. The first time her control issue became a problem was when she lost control and blew up a planet along with Goten. She does hold fault in accidentally killing Goten however threatening her and then telling her to "deal with it" does not solve the problem. Anger issues don't go away just like that and leaving her to find her own way home helped even less. Even when he tried to help her, he rage quit partway into it forcing Gohan to take the appropriate steps to help her but sadly that didn't completely fix the issue. She needed more supportive people in her life and Vegetto could have helped a great deal but instead he caused more problems. Adding stress to an angry person only adds fuel to the fire.
On the topic of Vegetto being in character, so long as the characterization in the work is consistent it's fine. Vegetto has been very consistent in this comic so I don't see it as a problem, it contextualizes Bra's control issues and provides us a very hateable antagonist, not to mention a big threat and now that Super Buu and Broly are out of the picture he's a good fit, especially since we are very close to the finals of the tournament.
I notice that his armor has been repaired.
Bardock Tales Kai page 96
Thematically speaking it does make sense for Goku to go to the finals with XXI being the mysterious antagonist of the tournament (in the same vein as Jakie Chun, Tien and Piccolo of previous Tournament arcs.). I wonder how it will go down since XXI has proven to be very broken so far in the tournament.
DB Multiverse page 2269
RockyJoe was saying:
[quote from="iron leaf" id=249964]There are no Zenkai boosts for Saiyans who have already reached SSJ.
You know everything after Z is bullshit right?
You know everything after Z is bullshit right?
I don't think they are using Super, ZenBuu commented this in the previous page, "Small correction. Here in DBM, after a saiyan turns SSJ, they don't get Zenkais anymore. The ONLY exception to this, is Cell." It's just a thing that's canon to DBM specifically.
MadameJadeK was saying:
iron leaf was saying: There are no Zenkai boosts for Saiyans who have already reached SSJ. In DBM, only Cell gets more Zenkais because he is an exception.
Huh.
I wonder if Mystic Raditz will still be able to get Zenkais.
Huh.
I wonder if Mystic Raditz will still be able to get Zenkais.
Raditz is a difficult example to figure out. He never attained Super Saiyan however upon going Mustic he will most likely be on or above the level of his Super Saiyan allies. I think we need to figure out this question, Does the Zenkai's go away because they trigger the Super Saiyan Transformation or because they reach a Power Level that is normally only attained through Super Saiyan? 1 Replie(s)
Either Goku is going to raise his fist in victory or lay down leading to a Draw.
DB Multiverse page 2267
Throughout all of DBM, some of my favorite moments are Vegeta looking at the alternate versions of himself and having a bit of a retrospective on what he could have wound up like if not for Goku and his life on Earth.
DBMultiverse Colors page 86
SeanPaul2389 was saying:
Wait if this is a thing why did they not do it to Goku's pod, or is this Goku's pod? I'm a bit confused.
Nevermind, I realized what I was forgetting. 2 Replie(s)
They might be pulling the same thing the manga/anime did in the 21rst Budokai finale. They will have it be a double knock out but the first person who gets up and declares their victory will get the win.
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DjPuffyPants was saying:
Ngl if I see Vegeta lose like every other hecking time, I will stop reading this for good.
He may lost a lot in the main series but Vegeta has not lost a single fight with Goku. Despite the difference in their power in all of the series Vegeta has won every single combat encounter with Goku, presumably up until now. Let's not freak out over a simple loss when it wasn't because he was being overly prideful and full of himself. Overall he has had a pretty good showing in this fan manga, even beating the tar out of an "evil" Goku. 1 Replie(s)
From the surprised look on Vegeta's face, I think this is it. Besides this would be the best time to end this fight since it is on the lengthy side, and it is a very climactic way to end it.
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MKTerry was saying:
Myetic Zander was saying: I’m just saying, if Goku uses the Kaioken, everyone who referred to this as ‘protagonist plot armor’ or anything of the like needs to apologize.
It’s not plot-armor or some random ass-pull. The Kaioken makes a lot of sense. It probably makes more sense than literally any other option in this instance- especially if this new form is intended to remove the strain added by transformations. He feels closer to his base form now than he ever has as a super Saiyan. The Kaioken is completely justifiable.
And for those who are saddened that this might end in a similar fashion to their first fight? Sorry, but not that much. You are literally reading a fanmade manga about multiple what-if scenarios for a franchise that has gone an entirely different direction. Stop pretending this entire comic isn’t literally fan service. You want fan-service, just the same as everyone else. Only difference is… you want fan-service related to less explored concepts in DB, while most want fan service more akin to classic DBZ combat. You’re not better- you’re just quirky and kinda opinionated about your takes. Lmao
This comic is just an amalgamation of both commonly explored fan-service and lesser explored fan-service. I’m not saying there’s not love and care put into it, because there are definitely some unique concepts and interesting tropes thrown in- but you’re basically just mad it wasn’t your turn. XD
Unless I'm misreading the intent I don't think you can stack Kaioken on top of this new form.
It's kind of why Ultimate Gohan doesn't go SSJ, because it wouldn't do anything for him, because the 'ultimate' form is basically 'the max output of energy possible but with no downsides'.
So it'd be entirely downsides with no benefits. That is if this is how it works in DBM, and technically it's not the ultimate form, just an offshoot.
It’s not plot-armor or some random ass-pull. The Kaioken makes a lot of sense. It probably makes more sense than literally any other option in this instance- especially if this new form is intended to remove the strain added by transformations. He feels closer to his base form now than he ever has as a super Saiyan. The Kaioken is completely justifiable.
And for those who are saddened that this might end in a similar fashion to their first fight? Sorry, but not that much. You are literally reading a fanmade manga about multiple what-if scenarios for a franchise that has gone an entirely different direction. Stop pretending this entire comic isn’t literally fan service. You want fan-service, just the same as everyone else. Only difference is… you want fan-service related to less explored concepts in DB, while most want fan service more akin to classic DBZ combat. You’re not better- you’re just quirky and kinda opinionated about your takes. Lmao
This comic is just an amalgamation of both commonly explored fan-service and lesser explored fan-service. I’m not saying there’s not love and care put into it, because there are definitely some unique concepts and interesting tropes thrown in- but you’re basically just mad it wasn’t your turn. XD
Unless I'm misreading the intent I don't think you can stack Kaioken on top of this new form.
It's kind of why Ultimate Gohan doesn't go SSJ, because it wouldn't do anything for him, because the 'ultimate' form is basically 'the max output of energy possible but with no downsides'.
So it'd be entirely downsides with no benefits. That is if this is how it works in DBM, and technically it's not the ultimate form, just an offshoot.
Honestly, Gohan's Ultimate Form is a little hard to figure why this or that doesn't work since it's not thoroughly explained. Like, old Kai told Gohan to do what he does when going Super Saiyan and it activated the form. This made me think he can't stack it cause it sort of replaced it, but then Super goes and has it be like in the video games where the two forms are seperate things that Gohan choose which one to turn into. It's just really confusing to reason why this or that doesn't work. Though I will say that Super Saiyan is a form and the Kaioken is a technique. The Kaioken can be stacked on other forms, it just might backfire with certain forms that put a strain on your body or consume a ton of Ki, like with Super Saiyan. It's not that Goku can't pull out Super Saiyan Kaioken, it would just burn him out or hurt him if he tried. We also don't have a lot of info on this new form other than some small comments from the spectators, so who knows what it can and can't have stacked on it, besides the writer I mean.
ShadyDoorags was saying:
As awesome as a classic beam struggle between these two is, Goku had absolutely no time to react to that. Unless he shot a body blast (which he didn't, that's clearly a Kamehameha wave) there's no way he could've feasibly accomplished that.
On the Contrary Goku did a very similar feat during the Saiyan arc where Nappa surprised him with a mouth beam and despite it happening pretty much point blank Goku was able to fire off a lightning-fast Kamehameha and overpower it. Vegeta was so impressed (and or surprised) by the speed of the move, of Goku's reaction time that he decides that was the time for him to step in. 1 Replie(s)
[quote from="J.I.L" id=241769]I hope Vegeta takes the victory. It'd be a nice surprise & story shake up.
I like how Vegeta has regained his sayain saga boss level of durabillity & resillence.
What shakeup? Goku has lost every one-on-one match he has ever had with Vegeta, even the Saiyan Saga fight was won by his friends Prior to that Vegeta broke very bone in his body before his friend and son arrived. Goku also only ever won a single tournament solo. (if we don't count the anime version of the preliminary matches involving the Trio De Danger and Toppo, even then in the Manga version he lost to Toppo) The universe 6vs7 and the ToP were won because of his allies. Goku losing at or near the would actually be very standard for Tournaments in Dragon Ball. 1 Replie(s)
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I like how Vegeta has regained his sayain saga boss level of durabillity & resillence.
What shakeup? Goku has lost every one-on-one match he has ever had with Vegeta, even the Saiyan Saga fight was won by his friends Prior to that Vegeta broke very bone in his body before his friend and son arrived. Goku also only ever won a single tournament solo. (if we don't count the anime version of the preliminary matches involving the Trio De Danger and Toppo, even then in the Manga version he lost to Toppo) The universe 6vs7 and the ToP were won because of his allies. Goku losing at or near the would actually be very standard for Tournaments in Dragon Ball. 1 Replie(s)
J.I.L was saying:
That's crazy Uub just killed him like that. Does not reflect good patience nor temperament.
Patience, Temperament? His arm just got chopped off, he doesn't have time to worry about doing this any other way. He needed to finish him before A. He bleeds out and B. Before his opponent uses that weapon again. He was lucky he only lost an arm, if that weapon had hit his chest, he would have died. Uub made the best move he could have given his current condition.
I wonder when in the timeline this takes place, like is this after the Oolong wish or even before Goku meet Bulma?
Namekseijin Densetsu page 372
Honestly, I think I'd be fine with a draw though I wonder how the tournament would progress with a Draw, would they both get eliminated?
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DB Multiverse page 2240
It's actually very nostalgic to see Baba again given how far in the future of Dragon Ball this comic takes place in, makes me wonder if Roshi is still kicking.
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321Y page 165
Why does he need to wish for the jar to never open? I mean It's not like some blue dude is gonna stumble upon a rice cooker with a seal for combatting evil and just open it, like that's a one in a million chance of that happening right?
Namekseijin Densetsu page 366
Ok this might be Kami possessing the body of a human (like he did in the 23'rd Budoka) to give them advice on going to Karin Tower (Korin in the English dub) for further training, something Roshi apparantly spends I think three years training at. I wonder if in this story Shen will go too.
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goten-kun was saying:
SeanPaul2389 was saying: goten-kun was saying: SeanPaul2389 was saying: Honestly this part is something is a reason I didn't find myself liking this arc. Shen and Roshi's friendship wasn't really established, their best chance would have been to make that friend of Roshi that died, Shen. His turn to becoming a worse person isn't here, so far. In the original material Roshi sighted Mutaito's defeat and how Mutaito left being ashamed of his defeat by Piccolo being what broke Shen. In this however instead of having that strong scene they skipped to Mutaito knowing it from the start which deprive us of a solid reason to why Shen became such a rotten and egotistical person. Hopefully the next couple pages can rectify this issue, but I don't really have high hopes for it.
Actually that's not the original material. In the manga (that is the original material) we don't know how how that happened.
We only know that Mutaito locked Piccolo down with the Mafuba, that's it.
I decided to make Tsuru Sennin (you call him "Shen"?) a "bad person" from the begining.
Sorry, I just checked my Manga and realized I was completely off, the Manga makes it more ambiguous at how it happened exactly, where the anime specified those plot points which I believe I personally preferred. Also, the Shen thing is what I've grown up calling him because the anime (or at least the English dub) called him that. It's similar how Muten Roshi (if I'm getting that correct) is called Master Roshi in the English dub even though that literally translates to "Master Master". So as it turned out I didn't have any real criticisms for it after all, so keep up the good work.
By the way, how is named the guy Kami took the body in the 23rd tournament? In japanese and other languages, his name is Shen. So, if Tsuru Sennin is named Shen, what is this guy's name?
I 'm curious!^^
Actually that's not the original material. In the manga (that is the original material) we don't know how how that happened.
We only know that Mutaito locked Piccolo down with the Mafuba, that's it.
I decided to make Tsuru Sennin (you call him "Shen"?) a "bad person" from the begining.
Sorry, I just checked my Manga and realized I was completely off, the Manga makes it more ambiguous at how it happened exactly, where the anime specified those plot points which I believe I personally preferred. Also, the Shen thing is what I've grown up calling him because the anime (or at least the English dub) called him that. It's similar how Muten Roshi (if I'm getting that correct) is called Master Roshi in the English dub even though that literally translates to "Master Master". So as it turned out I didn't have any real criticisms for it after all, so keep up the good work.
By the way, how is named the guy Kami took the body in the 23rd tournament? In japanese and other languages, his name is Shen. So, if Tsuru Sennin is named Shen, what is this guy's name?
I 'm curious!^^
In the FUNimation English Dub they just call that guy "Hero", even the recent DLC for DBZ Kakarot (The game) he's called "Hero". In my Manga however he is still called Shen, so for a single tournament we had two guys called Shen on the tournament grounds. Not participating but just in the general area.
goten-kun was saying:
SeanPaul2389 was saying: Honestly this part is something is a reason I didn't find myself liking this arc. Shen and Roshi's friendship wasn't really established, their best chance would have been to make that friend of Roshi that died, Shen. His turn to becoming a worse person isn't here, so far. In the original material Roshi sighted Mutaito's defeat and how Mutaito left being ashamed of his defeat by Piccolo being what broke Shen. In this however instead of having that strong scene they skipped to Mutaito knowing it from the start which deprive us of a solid reason to why Shen became such a rotten and egotistical person. Hopefully the next couple pages can rectify this issue, but I don't really have high hopes for it.
Actually that's not the original material. In the manga (that is the original material) we don't know how how that happened.
We only know that Mutaito locked Piccolo down with the Mafuba, that's it.
I decided to make Tsuru Sennin (you call him "Shen"?) a "bad person" from the begining.
Actually that's not the original material. In the manga (that is the original material) we don't know how how that happened.
We only know that Mutaito locked Piccolo down with the Mafuba, that's it.
I decided to make Tsuru Sennin (you call him "Shen"?) a "bad person" from the begining.
Sorry, I just checked my Manga and realized I was completely off, the Manga makes it more ambiguous at how it happened exactly, where the anime specified those plot points which I believe I personally preferred. Also, the Shen thing is what I've grown up calling him because the anime (or at least the English dub) called him that. It's similar how Muten Roshi (if I'm getting that correct) is called Master Roshi in the English dub even though that literally translates to "Master Master". So as it turned out I didn't have any real criticisms for it after all, so keep up the good work. 1 Replie(s)
Honestly this part is something is a reason I didn't find myself liking this arc. Shen and Roshi's friendship wasn't really established, their best chance would have been to make that friend of Roshi that died, Shen. His turn to becoming a worse person isn't here, so far. In the original material Roshi sighted Mutaito's defeat and how Mutaito left being ashamed of his defeat by Piccolo being what broke Shen. In this however instead of having that strong scene they skipped to Mutaito knowing it from the start which deprive us of a solid reason to why Shen became such a rotten and egotistical person. Hopefully the next couple pages can rectify this issue, but I don't really have high hopes for it.
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Namekseijin Densetsu page 361
Something either swallowed it or they have a rival who's blocking it's signal.
321Y page 152
I'm actually a little surprised, I've only seen the Dragon Balls called by their names in the manga, it really makes this manga feel more authentic.
321Y page 149
Oh so we're skipping his loss even if it what sets Shin down the path he took in the original. Fells kind of like a downgrade to me.
Namekseijin Densetsu page 348
I wonder if the writer is gonna do as the original did and have Mutaito lose only to seclude himself in the mountains where Roshi will find him training for the Mafuba.
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Namekseijin Densetsu page 344
I wonder how much stronger Yamcha has gotten under Gohan's tutelage and if Krillin lost any strength since he doesn't have Goku around to compete with during the training arc before this tournament.
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So since we know Muten is Roshi and Shen survives too, that would mean his dead partner isn't Shen and that the guy making fun of him earlier is probably Shen which means the author might be using inspiration they got from that DB filler episode about Goku going back in time to meet Mutaito. (Or just assuming he was a dick the whole time) That filler was particularly bad since it contradicts Roshi's statements of Shen being his friend who turned bad after Piccolo beat Mutaito. This instantly makes Shen much less interesting since a friend turning into a bad person after a traumatic event is more interesting than a bad person being bad the whole time. Kinda squandering some potential here, which stinks since I don't see many people writing comics about this section of the DB story.
Namekseijin Densetsu page 329
Glad to see the DB fandom hasn't changed, everyone's trying to come up with a cool name for the form. Though since it's essentially Gohan's Ultimate/Mystic only much stronger something along the lines of Mystic should work.
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I'm thinking the two "losers" might be Master Roshi and the Crane Hermit. If so I'm kinda glad because the OG anime had a filler episode where Kid Goku went back in time and met young Master Roshi and Crane Hermit but they characterized the Crane Hermit the same was as he is present day which doesn't make sense due to the fact Roshi said they were friends until Piccolo's attack and Mutaiito running off to learn the Mafuba.
Namekseijin Densetsu page 311
I guess now we will get to see the moment that broke the Crane Hermit and possibly the last two serious fights of this comic. That's me assuming the story will end after Piccolo is sealed here since we'll be running into canon material sometime soon, that is unless the author as some sort of interesting middle plot before Piccolo's return or if we're gonna see Kami's perspective up until the Demon King Piccolo arc and the Piccolo Junior arc.
Namekseijin Densetsu page 308
I think saying, "Piccolo is still acting up" undersells what's going on right now.
Namekseijin Densetsu page 307
Ya know I thought the image here looked familiar and as it turned out (and having already being mentioned alot in this comment section) it's a reversal of a good hit Goku got in on Vegeta during their first fight.
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When's Piccolo's done spherical objects will factually have corners.
Namekseijin Densetsu page 306
I'm betting this fight leads to the Massacre of Mutaito's martial arts school. The story may end with Demon King Piccolo's sealing and maybe feature his released by Pilaf.
Namekseijin Densetsu page 305
TwoWordsMade3210 was saying:
Ki blasts that close is going for instant contact. Ok
This is Dragon ball, Goku once reacted to a close contact energy attack from Nappa (the one he fires from his mouth) and able to react instantly with a hyper fast Kamehameha with Vegeta even commenting on the speed. Obviously dodging a point-blank basic Ki blast would not only be possible but also expected from Goku. 1 Replie(s)
Goku seems to be just a little bit faster than Vegeta, in an equal contest of strength, the faster fighter/better reaction time wins.
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DK00 was saying:
I know regeneration is part of Piccolo's abilities, but it's FAR from easy at his power level, why not just personally keep him locked up and repeatedly "disarmed"?
He keeps acting like there's NOTHING he can do if death isn't on the table, and I'm having trouble understanding why.
He keeps acting like there's NOTHING he can do if death isn't on the table, and I'm having trouble understanding why.
This is one of the weak points of writing for this point in time. The writer needs Piccolo to be an element in the world of man without having his good half imprison him since his good half is way stronger than him and could easily do that. Like old Kami is stronger than Young Piccolo which make writing a plausible reason for Kami to do nothing very difficult to come by unless the author really emphasized Kami's inability to kill someone that's linked to his own life.
Hopefully after this we get a Roshi subplot since that's how Piccolo's dealt with before the events of Dragon Ball.
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This is the drawback of waiting page by page is that some people will inevitably and understandably jump to conclusions based on what they see so far. However, it might be good under these circumstances to slow down and wait to be sure. There have been a lot of people angry over the assumption it was being skipped even telling people who weren't caught up that this was the case. Now we have misinformation spreading and a lot of people who don't look so good now thanks to this assumption. What I mean by all this is DBM topics on twitter are gonna be a minefield.
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In the original material Kami acted as if killing him was an impossibility, I'd bet he just couldn't do something that would kill him in return. Kind of like how we are instinctually hesitant to do any sort of real harm to our own body. Like if you try to cut yourself with a Knife you'd hesitate unless it was an accident. I wonder in this work how will it lead to that hesitation or whatever reason we come up with for Kami to be unable to deal with Piccolo and leave him to his own devices for years.
Namekseijin Densetsu page 297
It's pretty weird seeing someone who is the fusion of Goku and Vegeta to be not excited about seeing other versions of himself getting this strong.
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I was hoping that later pages would show more of the fight however this page does not look promising.
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Holy Shit, some animation is going on here, I do hope that the last panel isn't actually skipping any of the fight but i'll wait another page or two to see if that's really the case.
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I think this was honestly a good idea, if they were to introduce something as powerful as Super Saiyan Blue or Super Saiyan 4 this far in the Tournament we would question why it wouldn't be a factor with the previous threats. The likes of an out-of-control Vegitto (Goku not arguing that Vegeta and he couldn't stop Veggito) or a threat of his level would be put into question since those forms are that strong. We would wonder why they were hiding such a trump card so late in the game. The advantage of involving Gohan's Mystic/Ultimate form is that it isn't nearly as powerful as the two I have mentioned. It won't guarantee them a win, but it will help even the odds against more powerful characters.
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Ok i think the biggest problem with this Special is the whole Cold can transform. He cannot, if he could he would have transformed against Trunks who took the time to give Cold his own sword to prove a point to Cold. Its reasonable to believe that Freeza based his "Second Form" on his fathers real form and if a new form was added it would most likely be something akin to Freeza's Golden Form. What Cold shows is just expanding on the Design of Freeza's forms all while ignoring what makes Freeza's forms unique and going with a needlessly excessive design. Their Unique because they limit his power instead of increasing it. (all except for Gold and Full Power even though Full Power isn't even a form its just Freeza's True form at 100%.) I'll close my thoughts with how the Design is way too excessive much like DBM's tendency to add way too much Blood and gore needlessly. While it happened in the Manga it just isn't as frequent and out of place as it is here.
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Doubt he's being allowed to train since he was only allowed to originally because of a favor to Kami (who is dead now too so its unlikely to say the least).
Like others on previous pages have said there's no Goku resurrection because no ones going to Namek and Kamis dead so Earth has no dragon balls.
I was under the impression he was going to be allowed anyway, and the threat was a bit of additional commentary by kami, but that could just be the dub. I dunno. I'll check.
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so he was allowed to go to heaven no issue.
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but theres also the issue of piccolo and co. going to kaios despite no perceived imminent threat. they were just allowed to go there, no questions asked.
freeza wasn't even discussed yet, and kaio would have rejected them if they walked in there saying "we're here to beat up the ginyus and freeza!"
so I'd say goku would be given that training, if it was offered.
so, was it? thats then up to goten kun, who decides that in this particular comic.
seeign as kami would hang out in either heaven or the check out station, like he did in canon when he was killed, I could see him maybe pulling some strings as a favor to goku from their business before, before going to heaven himself.
it would be kinda for nothing, with no db's, they don't know about namek, and unless kami finds out about his heritage in heaven, they have no leads.
So kaio samas training wouldn't lead to goku doing anything here even if he did get it.
They could pull the "One Day alive pass" He got during the Buu saga, there's a number of ways for him to get that info in heaven. It just depends on what direction the author wants. Like if they want to involve Goku or not, the beginning cover makes me think it's going in the direction of not including Goku at all in this comic. 1 Replie(s)