FusionManBad was saying: Salagir was saying: WukongTheMighty was saying: Was there ANY point???Menna was saying: were pointless.UltraExtream was saying: Was there any point to this special?
DBM doesn't need to have a point. We do things for free and we do what we want.
Many of you, especially Wukong, obviously get very angry when reading every page of DBM. You should stop reading DBM, making yourself angry isn't good for you.

Wow... I wasn't gonna comment in this chapter, didn't really think it was bad but wasn't hyped about it but having the creator saying that it doesn't have to have to have a point because it is free and you do what you want is just ridiculous. Used to recommend this fan manga to everyone, guess I won't be doing it anymore. In the end this is your story, if you want to flush it down the toilet just because that is your call, guess you're tired from it. Disappointing.

Well... yeah. It's their story.

I think the writer decided to announce this to reduce the "toxic" feedback that some people are giving at the comments. Unless the writer hates all negative feedback (that'd be pitiful indeed), I agree. The internet has to become a bit more civilized. And this website is supposed to be a "good vibes" one, since Dragonball itself is so popular and an overall "positive" manga. It's not Reddit.

And after all, if a page is good, the positive comments would show it, therefore if a page is boring, the lack of praise is enough to show that the writers could've done better.

I still recommend the manga to friends, cause it has thousands of pages worth of interesting material. It'll take them weeks to read it all until they reach the "disappointing part" (if there even is one)

WukongTheMighty was saying: Was there ANY point???Menna was saying: were pointless.UltraExtream was saying: Was there any point to this special?
DBM doesn't need to have a point. We do things for free and we do what we want.
Many of you, especially Wukong, obviously get very angry when reading every page of DBM. You should stop reading DBM, making yourself angry isn't good for you.

Vegito rampage confirmed.

At this point, Vegito losing to magic is the REAL gag. In the flashback special he said that you could overcome any strategy by being powerful enough "you just need to be a thousand times stronger" but in the present day his power has not saved him, and he finds it unfair because he wants a "true" challenge with someone who can actually throw down with him.

Vegetto becoming the buttmonkey of this webcomic and it shows.


Now. I dont know if i Like this development.

But him being restored from this status after this crisis is resolved is what triggers his own rampage as seen by bardock's visions.

Also I dislike the whole "Goku was shitty to his family" argument, it's plain false and another example of DB fans mischaracterizing Goku. Goku wasn't the greatest dad or husband to Chi Chi but he was a dad and a husband when it counted most and when the world was in danger he was on the forefront of these dangers and helped save the world multiple times so his friends and family could continue living (and he can continue doing what he loved most, fighting).

FusionManBad was saying: DrewSaga was saying: True, as a character Goku's last good character arc was when he got SSJ...

This isn't a "character arc"...

He just goes through a transformation and becomes very angry.

— --

Goku's arc is never ending and this isn't it.

FusionManBad was saying: That page was a nice touch.

kiobruh was saying: Darklordcomp was saying: newhinhin was saying: I think i've seen this picture somewhere, but i can't remember where

It's Goku and Vegeta right before they body the MCU


bro you know hulk alone solo's goku and vegeta. He's literally immortal and unkillable as long as he's angry and god exists, also he can punch so hard he can blow up a plant via nuclear fusion/fission(without aiming at the planet) and his presence alone can begin destroying the reality he's in if he gets angry enough. Plus he can forcefully absorb radiation and energy sources that generation forms of gamma radiation.

I wanted to say all that because marvel has a handful of charcaters either more powerful than him or with a better kit for a fight against goku and vegeta.
Mafuba. No more Hulk.

Goku doesn't know the Mafuba. Though you do have a point. That is actually one way to beat the Hulk. Funny enough by that logic Dr. Strange can beat just about anyone in DBZ.

Honestly it depends on what version of the Hulk in Marvel Comics we are talking about, sometimes the Hulk is much weaker and more beatable and yea, other times he is literally immortal and unkillable. But that meme showing Goku and Vegeta taking on freaking Galactus, Eternity and Living Tribunal!? Now that's a laugh and a half. Even Ultra Gogeta/Vegetto (Fusion of Ultra Instinct Goku and Ultra Ego Vegeta) would get utterly curbstomped by Eternity much less Living Tribunal.

I don't know why that matters to people. Goku and Vegeta doesn't need to be more powerful than everyone in Marvel or DC to be awesome fighters.

This page is a lovely homage, but I still have strong feelings about Vegeta always being second best, and Goku not being an interesting character ever since he got SS.

But Goku won, there's just no point in talking about it. Still dislike it just as much.

Darklordcomp was saying: newhinhin was saying: I think i've seen this picture somewhere, but i can't remember where

It's Goku and Vegeta right before they body the MCU

.

bro you know hulk alone solo's goku and vegeta. He's literally immortal and unkillable as long as he's angry and god exists, also he can punch so hard he can blow up a plant via nuclear fusion/fission(without aiming at the planet) and his presence alone can begin destroying the reality he's in if he gets angry enough. Plus he can forcefully absorb radiation and energy sources that generation forms of gamma radiation.

I wanted to say all that because marvel has a handful of charcaters either more powerful than him or with a better kit for a fight against goku and vegeta.

I admit the relationship between Vegetto & Son Bra wasn't worked out satisfactorily. But here's my question. If this is all unconvincing, which I can understand, how would you do it? On a serious note, how should Evil Vegetto have been introduced specifically?

FusionManBad was saying: kiobruh was saying: Cooler was saying: Just a parody.

that's about right. plus this whole page just seems like a translation error.

honestly it feels like vegeta is over powering goku in this what if scenario with vegito. A more realistic permeant vegito would basically be goku with a knack for insulting his opponents.


If you rewatch Vegetto vs Boo in Z (original not US dub where Goku is Superman) you will see that he's pretty much a overpowered goofier Vegeta, Goku's personality is pretty bland he's a chill simpleton who likes to fight and eat while Vegeta is far more complex character so personalitywise i'd say Vegetto is 75% Vegeta and 25% Goku.



FitMarshmellow was saying: I see a lot of debate here on Vegetto’s reaction which is where I’m gonna post a sort of essay I wrote on the novelization to see why I think this choice is effective.

i think one of the interesting things with u16 is how its existence is basically the antithesis of Dragon Ball. its stories are darker and more complicated, more about the heroes' internal strifes than the external conflicts they grow to match, its philosophy more concerned with moral codes and right and wrong--all because Vegetto breaks the themes of Dragon Ball.

Dragon Ball is all about self improvement--its one and only rule being "There is always someone out there stronger than you." this is the guardrails that keep the universe in check. uncomplicated. Goku doesn't have to be a paragon of justice in that kind of world, he just needs to chase that urge to become better than he was the day before and that will usually lead him down the right path. usually, this means "heroic" actions are rewarded as more "villainous" one tend to bog down the individual with ego, pride, insecurity, etc. it's why Vegeta is cursed to be second fiddle: no matter how much he improves, he will never be as pure hearted as Son Goku in the chase for self improvement, because he will always have an iota of pride and superiority in him.

we can even say that's why it mocks the superhero genre semi-frequently in-universe (Ginyu Force, Great Saiyaman, Gammas, Jaco, etc.), because the philosophy of the universe scoffs at the self-important idea of knowing for a fact what is morally just and what is morally unjust, because the only thing you can do that is right is improve oneself.

so it's pretty funny that Vegetto and Co. are portrayed as space cops keeping order in the universe by the decree of incompetent Kais. this is something that Dragon Ball would make fun of--but in u16, it can't. because how is Vegetto supposed to aim to improve when he's the strongest there is?

there is no one out there stronger than Vegetto. he doesn't train everyday in gravity chambers and take his body to its limit, using a senzu to heal all wounds and start again tomorrow--no, he stands around with all the strength he will ever have and eats senzus in bulk because his parasitic power needs to feed off of his unnatural, magical body at rates no regular meal can match (an utter perversion of the saiyan appetite). there is nothing that he can improve in terms of his passion, his purpose. if anyone defeats him, it's not because they bested him--it's because they cheated. it's because they do not, at any level, engage with what is considered fair in this universe. this is a FACT. so then, the idea of someone becoming stronger than Vegetto isn't an exciting idea that pushes him to improve, it's a horrifying vision of a dystopia where the universe is done for. it's not about the passion of battle and chasing a better version of you. the better version of you is here, and his passion of battle turned out to a disgusting taste for crushing others. these people don't aim to be stronger for themselves, they aim to be stronger to stop one another.

that means the focus of the u16 dragon team isn't growing stronger and better, it's dealing with moral dilemmas of right and wrong, utilitarian responsibilities versus deontological ethics. when you are the strongest in the universe, your actions are all only accountable to yourselves, so you need to constantly self-manage. and in a world where accountability can be wished away, it can create a person who has no innate sense of right and wrong. so they need to commit an act that the universe sees as against its nature: create an order of right and wrong.

ironically, the only person in this universe who feels like a Dragon Ball character is Bra. she's the only one aiming to get stronger, to always be training, and to surpass herself. but because of vegetto's poisoning of the universe by his existence, this is seen as a threat and is discouraged at every turn. vegetto doesn't encourage his daughter to become stronger, he punishes her. if he hadn't, if he had always told her that she will grow to be stronger than him if she worked hard and pushed her in that direction, odds are she would've become far more disciplined and much more like the Son family she likes to attach herself to. yet thanks to vegetto's poisoning, he created a being that twisted the original philosophy of Dragon Ball from an optimistic one into a pessimistic one.

"There's always someone out there stronger than you."

in u18, this is a statement that pushes our warriors forward. in u16, this is a statement that holds them back. son bra is the confused child that is born out of that twisting. a character with all of Son Goku's lust for battle, but with none of the challenge to match it. with all of Gohan's rage, but with none of the hesitation to commit violence. with all of Goten and Trunks' childish brattiness, but with none of the innocent purity. with all of Vegeta's insecurity of being second-best, but with none of the pride. with all of Vegetto's power, but with none of the good will he had from saving the universe.

vegetto broke Dragon Ball, and his daughter has to suffer because of it.

Cool essay, you're right about self improvement being a big theme in Dragon Ball but the rest not so much. While Vegetto sucks at pedagogy he never really discouraged Bra, he disciplined her harshly (to be fair she did make a sun go supernova and killed her own brother) and he was responsible for protecting the whole universe after all, she was clearly a threat. Hell in the whole Majin arc he kept unwavering faith that Bra and Gohan would foil the whole thing. Vegetto did train Bra and taught her his techniques so how exactly he did discourage her to improve? He just tried to make sure that Bra learned self control and didn't went full berserker and anihilated the whole universe he's responsible to protect(even though a good father would have been true to his word and signed her out of the tournament when she killed Zangya). DBM is great despite its shortcomings and Vegetto's sudden change
from someone with a temper to a pathetic asshole is one of those, its almost like Salagir sacrificed Vegetto's character to give Bra character development, nothing wrong with how she's developing and looking for self control but the way everyone reacted in the story going with "its all Vegetto's fault" is kinda ass.

I mostly disagree, because I don’t really think Vegetto changed all that much? It’s more of a spiral because his vision of right and wrong is being questioned. And I know it’s popular to shit on Bra, but her having an issue with “self control” is not anyone’s fault but Vegetto. Him sucking at teaching her isn’t just a quirk, it’s an actual problem when your child’s the heir to the title of strongest in the universe. The comic struggles to communicate this, but the novelisation is a bit better on that front. Her whole attachment to the Son name comes from her yearning for a more supportive family, rather than one that looks at her like a ticking time bomb, because in the end: she was a child when they started doing that to her! If she was a time bomb, that’s because her parents failed to set an example and raise her.

This will be a strange piece of evidence to point to because of its dubious canonicity, but you don’t need to look further than the Gokhan section in the color comic. Pan in that universe is obviously stronger than Bra of U16, however she has none of the control issues and is (VERY IMPORTANTLY) being encouraged to become even greater and stronger than her very supportive father. Salagair makes a comment on how that universe is too boring because it’s perfect, and the parallels of how this universe is better than U16 are obvious: the replacement of Vegetto with Gokhan. I think Vegetto’s descent is congruous with his actions at the beginning and was the intention from the start, it’s just that there was an illusion that Vegetto was more like his parts than he actually was, mostly because he was never challenged all that often—and everytime he reacts “OoC,” it’s always in the same situation: him getting challenged in some way. So I don’t think it’s out of his character, we just didn’t understand it as well as we do now.

Cooler was saying: Just a parody.

that's about right. plus this whole page just seems like a translation error.

honestly it feels like vegeta is over powering goku in this what if scenario with vegito. A more realistic permeant vegito would basically be goku with a knack for insulting his opponents.

I see a lot of debate here on Vegetto’s reaction which is where I’m gonna post a sort of essay I wrote on the novelization to see why I think this choice is effective.

i think one of the interesting things with u16 is how its existence is basically the antithesis of Dragon Ball. its stories are darker and more complicated, more about the heroes' internal strifes than the external conflicts they grow to match, its philosophy more concerned with moral codes and right and wrong--all because Vegetto breaks the themes of Dragon Ball.

Dragon Ball is all about self improvement--its one and only rule being "There is always someone out there stronger than you." this is the guardrails that keep the universe in check. uncomplicated. Goku doesn't have to be a paragon of justice in that kind of world, he just needs to chase that urge to become better than he was the day before and that will usually lead him down the right path. usually, this means "heroic" actions are rewarded as more "villainous" one tend to bog down the individual with ego, pride, insecurity, etc. it's why Vegeta is cursed to be second fiddle: no matter how much he improves, he will never be as pure hearted as Son Goku in the chase for self improvement, because he will always have an iota of pride and superiority in him.

we can even say that's why it mocks the superhero genre semi-frequently in-universe (Ginyu Force, Great Saiyaman, Gammas, Jaco, etc.), because the philosophy of the universe scoffs at the self-important idea of knowing for a fact what is morally just and what is morally unjust, because the only thing you can do that is right is improve oneself.

so it's pretty funny that Vegetto and Co. are portrayed as space cops keeping order in the universe by the decree of incompetent Kais. this is something that Dragon Ball would make fun of--but in u16, it can't. because how is Vegetto supposed to aim to improve when he's the strongest there is?

there is no one out there stronger than Vegetto. he doesn't train everyday in gravity chambers and take his body to its limit, using a senzu to heal all wounds and start again tomorrow--no, he stands around with all the strength he will ever have and eats senzus in bulk because his parasitic power needs to feed off of his unnatural, magical body at rates no regular meal can match (an utter perversion of the saiyan appetite). there is nothing that he can improve in terms of his passion, his purpose. if anyone defeats him, it's not because they bested him--it's because they cheated. it's because they do not, at any level, engage with what is considered fair in this universe. this is a FACT. so then, the idea of someone becoming stronger than Vegetto isn't an exciting idea that pushes him to improve, it's a horrifying vision of a dystopia where the universe is done for. it's not about the passion of battle and chasing a better version of you. the better version of you is here, and his passion of battle turned out to a disgusting taste for crushing others. these people don't aim to be stronger for themselves, they aim to be stronger to stop one another.

that means the focus of the u16 dragon team isn't growing stronger and better, it's dealing with moral dilemmas of right and wrong, utilitarian responsibilities versus deontological ethics. when you are the strongest in the universe, your actions are all only accountable to yourselves, so you need to constantly self-manage. and in a world where accountability can be wished away, it can create a person who has no innate sense of right and wrong. so they need to commit an act that the universe sees as against its nature: create an order of right and wrong.

ironically, the only person in this universe who feels like a Dragon Ball character is Bra. she's the only one aiming to get stronger, to always be training, and to surpass herself. but because of vegetto's poisoning of the universe by his existence, this is seen as a threat and is discouraged at every turn. vegetto doesn't encourage his daughter to become stronger, he punishes her. if he hadn't, if he had always told her that she will grow to be stronger than him if she worked hard and pushed her in that direction, odds are she would've become far more disciplined and much more like the Son family she likes to attach herself to. yet thanks to vegetto's poisoning, he created a being that twisted the original philosophy of Dragon Ball from an optimistic one into a pessimistic one.

"There's always someone out there stronger than you."

in u18, this is a statement that pushes our warriors forward. in u16, this is a statement that holds them back. son bra is the confused child that is born out of that twisting. a character with all of Son Goku's lust for battle, but with none of the challenge to match it. with all of Gohan's rage, but with none of the hesitation to commit violence. with all of Goten and Trunks' childish brattiness, but with none of the innocent purity. with all of Vegeta's insecurity of being second-best, but with none of the pride. with all of Vegetto's power, but with none of the good will he had from saving the universe.

vegetto broke Dragon Ball, and his daughter has to suffer because of it.

What this means is that vegeta just got a 29 second rest, while Goku had to fight for his life just to remain standing for those 29 seconds. 29 seconds is an eternity in a fight like this. A million thing can happen during the 30th second. Vegeta will win GUARANTEED. Vegeta's faint smile as he collapsed in the last page was him smirking because he had a plan.

FusionManBad was saying:
To the surprise of absolutely nobody.


I get your Point, but in this awesome, fanfictional work of Salagir, Vegeta actually "won" once in a hard Sparring Match against Goku inside the Hyperbolic Liontamer, right ?


Like, Goku was sitting on the Ground and said he had enough can not fight anymore : and Vegeta was only looking down on him like Wtf are you playing me or something. Because Goku didn't use Supersaiyan Three : they both fought in Supersaiyan Two.


If Goku has truly won this now, You are aware that on any other Day, Vegeta might be the one still standing like back then, right ?

Meh, figures they'd go the expected route

Re-reading this fight the choreography was so strange to me throughout sections of the fight. They were constantly in a different position than momentum and the hits should have carried them. Was a hell of a fight though, and certainly better than the other DBM fights of the past few years. Too bad the first half of the fight was soured by the fake out though, which was ultimately pointless since Goku is winning anyway

omai was saying: everybody talking bad cant come close to making a battle this entertaining. Dbm> everything but z ???

Maybe not artistically but I'm sure there's a decent amount of people on here who could think of much better choreography and a more satisfying ending

Amazing! Just love it! Keep the blood coming, please

FusionManBad was saying: I really hope someone will animate this fight when its done.
Good news, KojiPro loved DBM so much that they travelled back in time to include the scene in MGS4.
https://youtu.be/iCOxzBu0f48?t=409

FusionManBad was saying: JustSaiyan was saying: Michelrpg was saying: I just dont get why Vegetto is so pissed off. He's been bored out of his mind hoping for a proper challenge, and now he finds out that both his progenitors have figured out an entirely new way to fight, something he could strive to learn.

I get it, his Vegeta side would be pissed off if he were surpassed, but.. he isn't. He's still stronger. I guess maybe this relates to his Vegeta attitude when Goku and Gohan returned from the Hyperbolic Timechamber to train their SSJ forms.. but even then Vegeta never copied that training either.


I just dont get it. At the very least his Goku side should be impressed by this, maybe even happy.

Vegetto has to become the villain, so the writers are transferring all of Bra's anger and frustrations to him. His emotions will make no sense from here on out. Bra burned U16's senzus, the man already claimed he's hungry and senzus are the only thing able to properly feed him so he's probably very irritable right now.



UnifiedEntity was saying: They are either going to do right by Goku,or do him completely wrong and not give him his win that he is long overdued since that was the whole damn reason he spared him in the first place. Goku didn't get his first tournament win until the END of Dragonball. This is one of those times where Goku rightfully so, as the main character that started it all in Dragonball should win. There's no bad guy excuse, no moral dilemma, just the fight in a tournament.

All you Vegeta fanboys going on and on about "finally Goku loses" don't know a thing about Dragonball and sound so entitled like the prince of no one over here. Hell, even in canon recently with that weak movie in a training session Vegeta "beats" Goku. So far, they have done Gokus character really well (minus the special) and he's been a competent fighter who isnt all "ATATATATATATA" but still getting hit constantly. But we will see how this ends.


I'd say its you who doesn't understand what Dragon Ball until the end of Z truly was, it wasn't about Goku being the strongest because he's the main character it was about the fact that there's always someone stronger, the "top dog title" between the Z warriors always varied between Goku, Vegeta, Gohan and Piccolo in the good old days. So being the main character don't entitle him to the victory. But there's a show that is just right for a Goku fanboy such as yourself, its called Dragon Ball Super and its all about Goku, there are some cameos of Vegeta but he always get beaten up like the silly goose he is and put back into his place so you can get more Goku moments.

I think your confusing Dragon Ball Super with Dragon Ball GT.

Xeno was saying: This is an interesting page.

First, I'd argue Vegetto is making little sense. Yeah he's hungry yadayada, but still. He's in a bad mood cause magic is BS, cause he's hungry, and cause... he's always left behind? Whatever that means in this context, made 0 sense to me back then. But none of that is related to what is going on in front of him.

He's been hungry for like an hour, he's not a 1yo ffs... If he's that hungry he should ask the DBs for senzus, he's a guest here, the least the organizers should do is feed him... Why is he sulking instead of just doing something so simple? The dragon balls were literally being gathered to bring back people to live already. When did his brain die? Vegetto is not an idiot...

Then he's seeing his 2 halfs use a form that could benefit him, he should try to go there instead of SSJ3, both the Goku in him and the Vegeta in him should see this as an opportunity to grow and beat that magic BS, yet for some reason he's hating them. Yeah his first reaction can be one of envy, but now he should just see the opportunity. Makes no sense to me that he's still acting like this. Vegetto's "lie" is that power > everything, but if that's his lie, seeing this "form" should only show him there's still a way to go further the power path which could make him better than any magic, so getting angry at that goes against his own vision of the world.

But that was that, now he's just mad cause they learned how to use a ki sword? C'mon! They're Goku and Vegeta, and Vegetto is both, he knows both of them are good enough to pick something as simple as that fast, why would that even trigger a reaction from him? It's literally nothing... It just feels like trying to brute-force his evil out on the plot, and there's no need for that when you have a million characters and tools at your disposal to trigger that. It's lazy.

But leaving Vegetto aside, the battle just restarted AGAIN? That is such a weird thing to do in DB. Not many battles are like this in the whole series, it's usually from 100HP to 1HP and then either the battle ends or something changes (new transformation, backup, healing...). But here nothing changed and they went from 100HP to 1HP in a second, and now they've been dragging their feet for that last 1HP. Funny thing is I can only think of 1 battle that's similar to this concept in DBZ, and that's Goku vs Vegeta. So I'm not sure if that makes it right. lol

He's been hungry for well over one hour (assuming the characters slept for 8 hours). I think you also forgot that Vegetto is "proud" (perhaps arrogant even would be the better word). He could try to ask for help with his hunger but he might consider that a sign of weakness (yeah he asked for help from Bra and Gohan dealing with Buu but the situation was an immediate danger to all the universes should Buu have absorbed Broly). I also note that Vegetto expended a considerable amount of energy against Zen Buu (going SSJ3 for him is not easy).

I do agree that he shouldn't be mad at Goku and Vegeta for being able to do this. Maybe he mistakes this powerup as something that could only be achieved via magic as Gohan has a similar power that was also gotten through magic which means that to Vegetto this could count as a "magic trick" even if it's not. Or again, maybe he is arrogant and is a bit mad that they reached a level beyond SSJ3 (in terms of transformation) and Vegetto hasn't. But that shouldn't bother him considering his SSJ1 is still well above Goku and Vegeta here.

Gridlock was saying: Michelrpg was saying: I just dont get it. At the very least his Goku side should be impressed by this, maybe even happy.

Because he's the designated bad guy now, no matter how little sense that makes plotwise.

He hasn't gone there yet. Besides, for it to make no sense, you would have had to just started reading DBM pretty much on this page to not see that this was long in the making at this point. Things really went downhill for Vegetto when Round 2 started. That being said, it should take something big for Vegetto to just snap. Even if it were something as simple as the tourney is over and it's time to pack up would still be a big problem to Vegetto who craves battle.

Michelrpg was saying: I just dont get why Vegetto is so pissed off. He's been bored out of his mind hoping for a proper challenge, and now he finds out that both his progenitors have figured out an entirely new way to fight, something he could strive to learn.

I get it, his Vegeta side would be pissed off if he were surpassed, but.. he isn't. He's still stronger. I guess maybe this relates to his Vegeta attitude when Goku and Gohan returned from the Hyperbolic Timechamber to train their SSJ forms.. but even then Vegeta never copied that training either.


I just dont get it. At the very least his Goku side should be impressed by this, maybe even happy.

Vegetto has to become the villain, so the writers are transferring all of Bra's anger and frustrations to him. His emotions will make no sense from here on out.

They are either going to do right by Goku,or do him completely wrong and not give him his win that he is long overdued since that was the whole damn reason he spared him in the first place. Goku didn't get his first tournament win until the END of Dragonball. This is one of those times where Goku rightfully so, as the main character that started it all in Dragonball should win. There's no bad guy excuse, no moral dilemma, just the fight in a tournament.

All you Vegeta fanboys going on and on about "finally Goku loses" don't know a thing about Dragonball and sound so entitled like the prince of no one over here. Hell, even in canon recently with that weak movie in a training session Vegeta "beats" Goku. So far, they have done Gokus character really well (minus the special) and he's been a competent fighter who isnt all "ATATATATATATA" but still getting hit constantly. But we will see how this ends.

To everyone complaining about the ass pulls and BS power ups....why the hell are you even Dragonball fans?

Goku is either resigning to defeat, or he gonna do an ass pull.

So Goku should win the beam struggle because...

Vegeta has used more Ki blasts/Ki expelling attacks than Goku

FusionManBad was saying:
kinda like the majin arc... It was a eternity to finish and pissed many people off because of that, but when you go and read it in one go its a really solid arc.


This here can not be compared to how very long the Majin-Rebellion Arc was tho, now can it ?


Also, may be just me -> but i think of Goku vs Vegeta > than puny Majin Rebellion Arc. I mean, okay, that was freakin EPIC and realised so many Fan Imaginations, fanfictional Idea's and so on - and Babidi being at his MAX POWER by enslaving powerful, evil Beings.


But this Duel here : this unanswered Fight between Goku and Vegeta, is literally what most People wanted to see in DBZ and Dragon Ball in general, for DECADES !!! I don't even care anymore who might win this,

i am just glad we got such a cool Fight between Goku and Vegeta at all.


You can wait another Thirty Years or so before official Canon Franchise DB will ever give us such an epic Fight between Goku and Vegeta.

This is getting... sighs. Just end this. The art was great but the story boarding... dissapointing fan-service.
Saligir you dropped the ball this fight, imo (though I do understand what it was gunning for here).

No new technigues... no new moves. Just a new form, with punch, kicks and generic blasts.

Lame.

Here's what I would have done. I would have given Vegeta a lot of new techniques, that he learned from... Old kai. Yeah... in Univerise 18... Vegeta in his periodic sabatical to space to train and get away from everyone... he runs into the supreme kais... and decided to learn from them. Including doing space cop errands like Universe 16 Vegito does.

Doing this... Vegeta is able to fully master ssj2. Becomes pound for pound... stronger then Goku (like he was in DBS ROF). And is even able to unlock ssj3... but never really does anything with the form because of his personal pride of refusing to follow after Kakarot (think DBS with Vegeta never wanting to use I.T even after doing it once from the Yadrats).

He showcases his evolution as a fighter in this fight, and ends up defeating Goku while barley using ssj3 until the very end. Just a mastered ssj2, battle smarts and techniques.

Then Goku whips out this form, and molly whoops Vegeta quickly. Fight over.

xdrgnh was saying: YES!!!!! Let's go Vegeta. After the Totally Not Mark DBZ review, they got to make Vegeta win.

It would be hilarious AND refreshing - especially because the eternal Goku-Fanboy-Hype wouldn't be able to accept it.

So I leave for over 2 months and come back and all I see is the fight that happened in a split second and the only way Goku could win a Fight against Vegeta, even Toyotaro and Toriyama agreed that Vegeta can win a fight with Goku with his MUI Vegeta's UE wins.

Now...i know this sounds absurd...but i think they're both dead

Gokus about to get thesame treatment as against junior in the 23rd.

Cell vs vegeta

My issue with that fight is how cell a biological computer didn't see that bean wasn't a senzu. He had one on file.

So quick! Just like the authors were to show us who won the fight!

Art is beautiful nonetheless.

ZenBuu was saying:
Can't we just please sit back and enjoy the fight without crying every page "that we already know who the winner is"?


I can not blame anyone who does, actually. (lol)

This is SOOO Ninteen hundred Nineties that Goku always wins,
"always" has some kind of Advantage,
"always" some kind of Ace-in-the-hole,
"always" some hidden Trump Card or the like,


he had his Friends helping in the Saiyan Saga, when Vegeta went Oozaru and "actually" beat him with it.

He had a clear Step in Power above Vegeta since the Namek-Saga.

He had a ridiculously clear Step in Power above Vegeta during the Cell Games.

He had Supersaiyan Three at the Beginning of the Buu Saga when Vegeta used the Majin-Boost just to close the Distance between him and SSJ2 Goku that time, right ?



And Dragon Super-We-Not-Talk-About "somehow" always manages to continue this same Trope.

Like - Vegeta only exists to show just how much better Goku still is, somehow. Be it Ultra Instinct at the Tournament of Power, or whatever else. Or when Vegeta (LOL!) fxxxed up at the Final of the Moro-Saga.


Holy Superkami Dende in Heaven, will Vegeta by the MvP for ONCE in his entire Life, aside from being clearly superior ONCE in the Saiyan-Saga as Oozaru Vegeta ??


It is almost like the whole Universe of Dragonball-Fans is somehow "afraid" Nobody would like Goku anymore - and do not wanting to be Goku's Fans anymore, if Vegeta would clearly overwhelm and beat him for ONCE. x'D

It's not like Everyone would suddenly be Vegeta-Fanfolks forever and never like any other Character anymore. x'D

Definitely not! I'm not sure how you would come to such a conclusion, because first, the pages are drawn for months already and second, the outcome of this fight was even decided years ago (as far as I'm aware). Salagir definitely will not change any of his script based on readers comments or a poll. The poll was just for fun.