Crazy to think the color remake came before the pay off

LegendaryArte was saying: Lucas was saying: Dislpay name was saying: Ayashi was saying: Doesn't Oozaru come with a x10 multiplier while SSJ is a x50?

there are a lot more variables at play here than just the multipliers and those the multipliers are not cannon to DBM. The current canon (as far as i'm aware) is that normal Oozaru's have a 2 times multiplier and ssj has a 10 times multiplier.

Ozaru is 10 times stronger, Vegeta says that in the Saiyan saga. Doubt DBM would randomly retcon that.

That said, we don't know how strong Raditz and Bardock are in their base forms here. We only know Raditz's base form is way stronger than Ginyu. So with Ozaru he's 10 times stronger than that. Meanwhile SSJ is definitely a bigger boost from base form, but we don't know how strong Bardock is at this point.

I'm not sure if the specials made that a bit more clear, I've read them but I don't remember if there's something there that might help power scale DBM Bardock. Guess that's what happens when you read a comic slowly over the years, you tend to forget stuff.

DBM did retcon Oozaru. It’s been stated that in DBM Oozaru form only multiplies by two fold.

Where? I've read the whole comic and don't recall anyone ever saying that Ozaru only doubles the base power level.

Doesn't Oozaru come with a x10 multiplier while SSJ is a x50?

I just now noticed it but now I'm curious, why did Bardock enter the tournament with cracked armor?

Congrats!

These earth fighters don't even have power level of 100, while androids are stronger than frieza

Power scaling for this manga is worse than super

To continue the discussion, I don't doubt Frieza would withstand the force or even the radiation of the Thermonuclear device in question thanks to his feat of surviving destruction of Namek. I don't know about surviving the heat from said explosion. I don't think the explosion a planet is generating temperature of approximately 100 million Degrees Celsius. After all, cooler couldn't handle to surface temperature of our own Sun, which is cooler than the epicenter of a Thermonuclear bomb, when Goku shoved him into it with the Kamehameha. And we're talking about Namek Frieza who was weaker than 5th form Cooler

zero logic was saying: Yall think Frieza saga Frieza would die to a nuclear bomb???

I suppose it would depend how many kilotons or megatons and if it was Fission (splitting atom) or Fusion (combining atoms). I feel like a significant enough fusion one might hurt or kill Frieza since its basically harnessing the heat and energy of a Star for a moment and I don't think Frieza has show anything to suggest he can withstand those temperatures

The "kaioken next level thing" is probably the wost thing they have done with this comic I mean it was one thing that they made broly op, but the way they did kaioken is the only part of the comic that annoys me every time I see it, at first I thought the earthling just named it differently in their universe and I thought well abit annoying but different universe so whatever but then ubb did it from the main universe and honestly it ruined the fight for me.

Guys pls help my memory here.. there ain't no special about U9 right? If not, who do I have to f**k to get one?

Nice page. Just ran a thought through though. If Xi has dragonballs why is he trying to win the tournament?

Hey it was a pleasure to color your stuff, I like it a lot , I hope we can work together again.

Huh, if she can carry the Z-Sword at all under 10x gravity and without Kaioken, you'd think she wouldn't have been so worried about a Coldyu who's still holding back and in this form. Even under normal gravity, Gohan struggled to hold it in base, and though he may have gotten weaker in the 7 years of peace, he was nonetheless above Super Vegeta with just mastered Super Saiyan. Furthermore, while Kaioken levels are deliberately vague in DBM, she should have gotten ahead of 20x, so if final form Coldyu was only #16 level, why was she so terrified?

Why wouldn't DBM get new readers? I see plenty of people creating new accounts (though sometimes they're just trying to avoid a ban) and commenting for the first time after binge reading everything that's available from the start to the latest page. Sometimes I really wish, I could also do that again. Like experience DBM for the very first time. It's been too long man, we are getting old. :D

That was really intense^^ and the outcome as positive as surprising. Nice!

Spoilers not appreciated btw ö_Ö

It would be nice if they were a little bit more self-aware and released pages two at a time when they do this, but I get that they want to stick to a strict schedule.

I have to admit I don’t have a good opinion of dragon ball super fan mangas and that’s mainly due to not enough of them where the vast majority isn’t great.

The one I’m thinking of was done by an Italian artist and somehow zamasu came back, by going into Gohan rearmed (pun intended) and the fight scene it had was more a long dragged take of hopelessness. Trunks died Gohan black wins, wants to go across the multiverse but to do that please sign my patreon and be impressed by 20 second animated of Gohan black where there’d a flash in background and a small smirk.

I swear to god there were two takes of this Gohan black.

Then there a dbs fan manga where frieza killed zeno by a ‘god blade’ and to rub salt on wound I think that was the only super comic considered completed.


I’ll admit I thought hakai was going somewhere but lost interest when the author wanted to make a franchise out of it,

And kakumei just dosent have good writing.

I’m not going to be judgemental but the history of super fan comics hadn’t been well, super. But the start is fine so far.

Here's a cunning idea, reading the original manga, even if it's 40 years old! :P
Because it's still good (especially the "kid Goku" part before the Saiyans... my favorite)

Dragon Ball references are now "obscure" :D

Dislpay name was saying: I don't like how defined they made Bra's or Vegeto's ass, i had to double check if it was like that in the original and it wasn't.

Bird Mountain was saying: Daiko was saying: Man, I remember this. People were already hating on Bra already at this point but they got really pissed when Vegetto forgave her for giving in to her anger and going against his orders.

Everyone forgives Bra. She murders her brother? Forgiven. She murders her other brother? Forgiven. We're not talking about years or decades later. We're talking about seconds to hours later, maybe a day if she was really bad. She does incredibly terrible things by anyone's standards, and she faces no consequences. This is feels artificial and inauthentic. I can only speak for myself, but I think it is terrible policy in practice and very very unrealistic for people who do terrible things (again, we are talking about this on the scale of murder not she sometimes says insensitive things) are forgiven immediately with no consequences. I mean not even OJ was forgiven immediately for his murders. People, who were literally defending themselves, still spend time in jail before trial. Even clear self-defense is controversial and some people don't forgive even after the trial. It's not that a few characters always forgive Bra; it is everyone does, which in fictional work is a miracle of God, the author.

Yeah, it makes me roll my eyes and express comments of dislike when it happens.

Not that i'm a Bra fanboy but Vegeta did way worse things and the Zfighters just let him stay around, normal people would have a big problem with Bra but these guys have more patience than entire planets so i don't personally have a problem with her on that regard (or at least not as much as i have for vegeta.)


I recall that Vegeta did not get a free pass. Vegeta on Namek was an ally of necessity, not an ally by choice. Moreover, Vegeta was not universally loved. He was feared and not trusted, except for Bulma who just likes to live dangerously. Vegeta was largely on his own for much of the series training, and it took years before people stopped seeing him as a threat to prideful and unstable ally. It wasn't really until post-Cell, which was 3 years of training for the Androids + a year for Goku to return from Namek.

While the severity of the crimes are a factor, they are not the determining factor. For me, the ease and speed with which the cast grows to trust and forgive Bra is the largest issue.

We aren't talking about Bra and Vegeta having a different degree of the crimes (both murder as opposed to a situation like one did a hundred instances of jay-walking while the other committed two armed robberies), but Vegeta just has a higher kill count. Arguably, Vegeta has more of a justification for his actions since he was raised in the Saiyan culture with Saiyan morality at the unaccountable top level of that system too. Don't forget that his race was under the rule of Freeza too. None of that excuses Vegeta completely, but it does give a different context to Vegeta that isn't there with Bra.

While both are equally guilty of the same crimes (Vegeta has a higher number no doubt), I still think it is a reasonable position to have that Bra is more untrustworthy than Vegeta. The fact that reasonable people can differ is the issue. Why isn't there someone who thinks like this? Yes, Pan did have some fear of Bra, but this hasn't really been a factor in the Bra story. So, it feels like the hand of the author is forcing characters to think a certain way rather than characters naturally thinking a certain way because of their different perspectives. As the dude says, this is like my opinion, but look at the mixed perspectives on Bra in the comments. That should be reflected in the cast because that is real, and the lack of it is one of the reasons that it rings fake.

(You can see the same thing if you talk about Tuvix in the Star Trek Fandom. I don't think this is necessarily a Bra specific thing, but it is a Bra focused thing.)


Oh, I appreciate your perspective and point and you tanking the time to reply. Really, no sarcasm on that one.

Daiko was saying: Man, I remember this. People were already hating on Bra already at this point but they got really pissed when Vegetto forgave her for giving in to her anger and going against his orders.

Everyone forgives Bra. She murders her brother? Forgiven. She murders her other brother? Forgiven. We're not talking about years or decades later. We're talking about seconds to hours later, maybe a day if she was really bad. She does incredibly terrible things by anyone's standards, and she faces no consequences. This is feels artificial and inauthentic. I can only speak for myself, but I think it is terrible policy in practice and very very unrealistic for people who do terrible things (again, we are talking about this on the scale of murder not she sometimes says insensitive things) are forgiven immediately with no consequences. I mean not even OJ was forgiven immediately for his murders. People, who were literally defending themselves, still spend time in jail before trial. Even clear self-defense is controversial and some people don't forgive even after the trial. It's not that a few characters always forgive Bra; it is everyone does, which in fictional work is a miracle of God, the author.

Yeah, it makes me roll my eyes and express comments of dislike when it happens.

No, it's not connected to DBM.

Salagir was saying: Guys, did you see the sign in red on the wall in the background? :)

Bubbles was saying: Are they giving awards between the semi-finales and the finale?
Yes.


Yes but what's it supposed to mean? I just assumed it was namekian language

I'm gonna take a crack at what the lie could be and I think it may go back to what the Androids were saying earlier about them having "a piccolo invading them" and that it "grew to adult size".

Bulma here mentions that they only have a few fighters here, but the Androids reactions to seeing Gast and then attacking him immediately implies otherwise.

I know Namekians (especially mutated ones like King Piccolo's children including Piccolo) can mature very quickly, but I feel like they'd know if another one existed especially considering that Dr. Gero has been following and surveying Goku and the Z fighters from since after the Red Ribbon Arc till right when the Z-Fighters left for Namek.

So either A. Bulma and the scientists here are producing pseudo z-fighters and lying about it for whatever reason,
B. I'm tripping
C. There's another force out there doing such to fight against the RRA

King Kindred was saying: Gast over here using Kid Buu's technique. I love it. Where'd Krillin go?


More like an original namekian technique. It was used by Piccolo way before Buu was a thing. Think the first time was in his tournament final against Goku.

Dude, why the hell is Krillin so cool right now?

So I guess Janemba's origin story here is the same as in the movie?

Dislpay name was saying: rainman was saying: At the end of the day almost any special would be better than months of radio silence as Asura draws the latest main chapters.

Asura is not any better than the special chapter artists, in fact i'd say he's worse. He hasnt been paying attention to the fundementals of drawing (which is ultimatly what matters most) and the drawings themselves suffer for it. Show the special chapter artists more love and be more critical on Asura, for having the role of "the main artist" he does a subpar job at it if you ask me and the only reason why i don't complain more about it is because of the free nature of dbm.

Yeah, I've never had anything negative to say about any Special artist, I appreciate all of their efforts and the diversity of artstyles they bring and never implied otherwise.
Why don't you elaborate for me what "fundamentals" Asura is missing in his drawings? I'm genuinely curious.

ZenBuu was saying:
And that's the biggest problem with most readers. The lack of patience. Just be grateful you get at least something! No need to be overly sarcastic about it all the time, "how bad all these specials" are. Many people still don't seem to understand how much time it takes to even draw a single page. If you want top notch quality (like from Asura) you have to wait for it. And because of comments like these, many artists don't even want to start drawing a special chapter, when they see how much people shit on their free work. Or we get a mess like the first U9 special. I can only repeat it, nobody pays anything to read this here, it's all for free, just to entertain you. I would understand complaints, when you spend money on this here. But you don't, so just take what you get, simple as that.

Couldn't have put it better myself!

At the end of the day almost any special would be better than months of radio silence as Asura draws the latest main chapters.

Honestly, I don't really get what the whole point of this mini-arc was. From it we learned that, what? XXI is evil? Everyone jobs to Guldo? I'k'l is stupid and could have cleared most all of his targets with Ki but instead chose to slowly levitate up to Vegito to punch him in half instead?
It sorta feels like this only happened to pay off the flash forward we had like a decade ago, and honestly I don't feel satisfied by how it happened.

Dislpay name was saying:
Honestly universe 9 is where the powerscale is just completely broken, characters are stronger than they should and others are weaker than they should.


In Universe 9, everyone is just stronger. No Saiyans for them to save the Day. Goku died as a small Child and never made it to Earth. Vegeta never became a "Rival" of Goku and hence, is also not around to fight for Earth.

Yamcha is a Cyborg with the infinite Energy Model same as the Cyborg Twins we know. So You can be sure he is way stronger than SSJ Goku from Namek against Frieza and also than Vegeta when he fought C18 as a freshly awakened SSJ1 on that Mountain Road.


Tenshinhan has Kaioken. "Super Videl", has Kaioken. "Old Krillin", has Kaioken. They are all way stronger than their Universe 18 Counterparts we all know.


The only Person way weaker than what we usual know from him here, is C17. He is about to get one-shotted so damn hard here right now, he will WISH he would be dead, if he doesn't die next Page or in 2 Pages. He is weaker than the normal him, because in DBM it got stated that C18 and C17 were weaker in Future Trunks Timeline, because they didn't get maintained - and thus, this is the Explanation in DBM, why the Future-Timeline Cyborg Twins are weaker.

C18 got "mysteriously repaired by Buu", so her Fight against XXI might have been interesting. But that Magic-Man (lol) defeated her effortlessly by using a Remote on her, that we know from the original DBZ Storyline but which never came into use, because Krillin didn't wanted to do this to her.


So jeah. C18 is currently probably double as strong as her Brother. x'D - - - ( Also, C17 and C18 here are NOT from Universe 9 )

So... do we actually know how strong is this Yamcha? I'd go he's full power SSJ 1 goku from cell saga tier at least. Everyone in his universe seem to be stronger than their U18 counterparts

SuperSaiyan4Vegetto was saying: Very good work. Is there a reason why this comic is now going to be on a break?
I would assume it was because of the slight error that caused two pages to be posted at once effectively cleared the automated upload queue and the system believed that there were no updates planned.

Darklordcomp was saying: newhinhin was saying: I think i've seen this picture somewhere, but i can't remember where

It's Goku and Vegeta right before they body the MCU

.

bro you know hulk alone solo's goku and vegeta. He's literally immortal and unkillable as long as he's angry and god exists, also he can punch so hard he can blow up a plant via nuclear fusion/fission(without aiming at the planet) and his presence alone can begin destroying the reality he's in if he gets angry enough. Plus he can forcefully absorb radiation and energy sources that generation forms of gamma radiation.

I wanted to say all that because marvel has a handful of charcaters either more powerful than him or with a better kit for a fight against goku and vegeta.

Raditz is a difficult example to figure out. He never attained Super Saiyan however upon going Mustic he will most likely be on or above the level of his Super Saiyan allies. I think we need to figure out this question, Does the Zenkai's go away because they trigger the Super Saiyan Transformation or because they reach a Power Level that is normally only attained through Super Saiyan?

Guys, there's a chance this might be a draw.

Artistically solid but by far the worse battle in DBM.
Started pretty standard with a very good premise of an interesting new form.
Ended with 2 punching bags that everybody hoped for someone to just lose, so we can go to the next battle.
The fight will be better in a collected edition but I can't shake the feeling that all this was just visual noise that doesn't even work as good fanservice material.
I like db. I enjoy a good goku vs vegeta, I couldn't enjoy this.
It's sad cause the artist clearly gives 101% but he is stuck with a horrible script that he has to follow.
This was painfully boring and if it had ended 10+ pages earlier I would consider it pretty great.
The mgs reference was meant....I guess for someone that wanted Goku and Vegeta to pull a mgs4 reference....
In conclusion a solid 5/10 battle. 1 point for the interesting premise, 3 points for the amazing art, 1 for the script.
I don't think I feel like reading this again for a long time.
Felt like Broly vs Vegetto but without the interesting twists

In all honesty, this battle begged for the "baki treatment", with a narrator spicing things up with his commentary (and considering the comments here, my opinion is not even extreme. Most people didn't have fun)

I'm not sure where you're seeing the glitter at? Unless you meant to say glistening. Personally I think the art looks great.

And that's conclude chapter 4. Next page is the cover of chapter 5. Hope you all like it. :)

Also, readers do indirectly pay Salagir and other staff. It is called ads. You may have heard about Youtube. No one is "paying" anyone to watch their videos, and yet they may receive ad revenue if there are a lot of viewers. Not super complicated

p4ran0id was saying: Love the 2nd panel, it shows that both are equal. That alone is a win for Vegeta because he lost every time in DBZ against Goku
Why are people keep saying that? This is just not true. The Buu Saga fight might be debatable, since they didn't fought to the end. But Vegeta certainly won the 1vs1 when he first arrived on earth. He crushed Goku there so much, he needed the help of Gohan, Krillin and Yajirobie.

I protest ! The official fusion of Yamcha and Chaozu is not Chaocha !

It's Yamzu, from the official "That Time I Got Reincarnated as Yamcha" manga by Dragon Garrow Lee !

Yes, this exists, and I can prove it :

Regarding Goku (or Vegeta) using an offensive instant transmission here:

Goku used his while the attack was being charged. Not while it was already launched.

"Warp" Kamehameha =
1. Charge,
2. Teleport,
3. Launch

Theoretical DBM Warp Final Flash/Kamehameha =
1. Charge,
2. Launch,
3. Teleport,
4. Launch (again?)

Not saying Goku or Vegeta couldn't theoretically do that (it's up to Salagir after all), but it would be unprecedented.

Apocalipticototal was saying: I like to see under the skirt of that type of doll.
Perv

Sometimes I forget that Bujin is the only Hera-Jin (DBM: Jaykal) who can use illusion magic. It's strange why this is never really discussed in any way.

I'm guessing we're being more lax with nudity. I know there was some in the hanasia novel but that was nsfw tagged, this is entirely uncensored, it shows on the thumbnail. (Could be an oversight) but looks like this is a turning point for dbm.

Mufaba soon?

That doesn't make sense. Why would Bra have a different hair color than Son Bra?

Let's say it like this, all of Bulma's kids have purple hair, no exception...not like that nonesense in DBS.

This is what I keep saying. Unfortunately, despite this universe being full of narrative potential, whenever a special is made about U9, DMB seems to actively avoid ANY of this potential. The main story is almost over and the next U9 story is another filler dud. Nice art and a simple story is ok, but its wasting the massive potential of this universe and I seriously don't understand the adamant refusal to explore these potential stories.

If you want to see more story relating to U9, I'd recommend Chewy's alternate fan manga about U9 and U3 on Amilova. He mostly just edits existing artwork to make his pages, but he does make some interesting changes to the original narrative for these alternate universes. I personally find his take on these worlds far more interesting and engaging than the scraps DMB hands us every few months.