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zero logic
March 28th
Props to Bunga, these pages have been very well drawn
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zero logic
March 18th
CornBreadtm was saying:
Why wouldn't Androids be hurt by nukes? They aren't aliens or biomutants or something. Just flesh, blood and machinery depending on the type. Some are just pure machinery. They are designed by Toriyama based on the Androids from the Terminator films. Meaning the same rules would apply, maybe to a higher degree. A pipe bomb in the joints can blow them apart but not destroy them completely.
So a nuke would disable them. Maybe leave them in quite a few pieces. Some may continue to function.
The first Android we saw destroyed, was done so with a "Big Bang" attack for a reason. It goes BOOM.
Also I don't know why people are talking about Freeza, he's not even in this story! But no a nuke wouldn't kill Freeza. He was still alive even when Trunks chopped him into pieces, Trunk had to finish him off with a blast to kill him. Freeza is second hardest character in the series to kill with Majin Buu taking the first spot. Cell has a weak spot that makes him fodder, where Freeza and Buu need to be atomized.
So a nuke would disable them. Maybe leave them in quite a few pieces. Some may continue to function.
The first Android we saw destroyed, was done so with a "Big Bang" attack for a reason. It goes BOOM.
Also I don't know why people are talking about Freeza, he's not even in this story! But no a nuke wouldn't kill Freeza. He was still alive even when Trunks chopped him into pieces, Trunk had to finish him off with a blast to kill him. Freeza is second hardest character in the series to kill with Majin Buu taking the first spot. Cell has a weak spot that makes him fodder, where Freeza and Buu need to be atomized.
Maybe because they have tanked attacks that can blow up planets like nothing. Last time I check, the most powerful nuke can't even blow up a whole country. You fill in the blanks
zero logic
March 17th
Decends was saying:
thebritwriter was saying: Dislpay name was saying: Decends was saying: zero logic was saying: Yall think Frieza saga Frieza would die to a nuclear bomb???
I suppose it would depend how many kilotons or megatons and if it was Fission (splitting atom) or Fusion (combining atoms). I feel like a significant enough fusion one might hurt or kill Frieza since its basically harnessing the heat and energy of a Star for a moment and I don't think Frieza has show anything to suggest he can withstand those temperatures
You do bring up a good point, the fact that the explosion is point-blank makes it a lot more dangerous potentially than a simple ki explosion which seemingly gives an equal spread of damage. Even then though, i'd be surprised if this explosion killed or even significantly weakened the cyborg.
Frieza survived destruction of namek, he even survived nuking earth in RoF.
He has two unique traits in the series, being very resilient (even for his species as Cold just died to a single shot by Trunks) and being able to survive in space.
Being a tad controversial but we know saiyan’s can’t withstand extreme heat (or core of the earth shown in super) have to hold their breath underwater and can’t survive in space. It’s not unreasonable a nuke head on would do the job of killing a saiyan because in the first few moments of detonation the temperature is several times hotter then the sun from 1 megaton. So nukes can do the job if you want to apply hard science (though this was brief research via google search. I’m not a scientist!)
But if this was a megaton nuke then everyone on the ground is very much dead.
However this battle isn’t taking itself seriously so we just roll with assumpation that it’s a very clean and self contained bomb.
To continue the discussion, I don't doubt Frieza would withstand the force or even the radiation of the Thermonuclear device in question thanks to his feat of surviving destruction of Namek. I don't know about surviving the heat from said explosion. I don't think the explosion of a planet is generating a temperature of approximately 100 million Degrees Celsius. After all, cooler couldn't handle to surface temperature of our own Sun, which is cooler than the epicenter of a Thermonuclear bomb, when Goku shoved him into it with the Kamehameha. And we're talking about Namek Frieza who was weaker than 5th form Cooler
I suppose it would depend how many kilotons or megatons and if it was Fission (splitting atom) or Fusion (combining atoms). I feel like a significant enough fusion one might hurt or kill Frieza since its basically harnessing the heat and energy of a Star for a moment and I don't think Frieza has show anything to suggest he can withstand those temperatures
You do bring up a good point, the fact that the explosion is point-blank makes it a lot more dangerous potentially than a simple ki explosion which seemingly gives an equal spread of damage. Even then though, i'd be surprised if this explosion killed or even significantly weakened the cyborg.
Frieza survived destruction of namek, he even survived nuking earth in RoF.
He has two unique traits in the series, being very resilient (even for his species as Cold just died to a single shot by Trunks) and being able to survive in space.
Being a tad controversial but we know saiyan’s can’t withstand extreme heat (or core of the earth shown in super) have to hold their breath underwater and can’t survive in space. It’s not unreasonable a nuke head on would do the job of killing a saiyan because in the first few moments of detonation the temperature is several times hotter then the sun from 1 megaton. So nukes can do the job if you want to apply hard science (though this was brief research via google search. I’m not a scientist!)
But if this was a megaton nuke then everyone on the ground is very much dead.
However this battle isn’t taking itself seriously so we just roll with assumpation that it’s a very clean and self contained bomb.
To continue the discussion, I don't doubt Frieza would withstand the force or even the radiation of the Thermonuclear device in question thanks to his feat of surviving destruction of Namek. I don't know about surviving the heat from said explosion. I don't think the explosion of a planet is generating a temperature of approximately 100 million Degrees Celsius. After all, cooler couldn't handle to surface temperature of our own Sun, which is cooler than the epicenter of a Thermonuclear bomb, when Goku shoved him into it with the Kamehameha. And we're talking about Namek Frieza who was weaker than 5th form Cooler
Lol wut. Stars (including our own sun) are giant H bombs. You are telling me one fusion > thousands of fusions happening every second??? I think you should revise your physics 1 Replie(s)
zero logic
March 16th
Let's put it this way. At the start of DBZ Vegeta had the power to destroy Earth with his Galick Gun. That is destroying one whole planet. Do you think Androids would be harmed by that Galick Gun from start of DBZ Vegeta???
From a different point, do you see a nuke destroying a planet?? If you sent a missile to Earth's moon with a nuke, do you think the moon is gone??? 1 Replie(s)
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From a different point, do you see a nuke destroying a planet?? If you sent a missile to Earth's moon with a nuke, do you think the moon is gone??? 1 Replie(s)
zero logic
March 16th
Yall think Frieza saga Frieza would die to a nuclear bomb???
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zero logic
March 6th
Majin Wasabi was saying:
zero logic was saying: But why couldn't you release specials separately then, like we have other side stories simultaneously?
The way I see it, all the specials are canon and add something to the background or overall main story. The side stories, on the other hand, are just that—extra, non-DBM canon stories for additional content. Or at least, that's how I see it.
The way I see it, all the specials are canon and add something to the background or overall main story. The side stories, on the other hand, are just that—extra, non-DBM canon stories for additional content. Or at least, that's how I see it.
Yeah but those stories Canon or not, don't occur simultaneously, no reason to interrupt one for the other when they could have been released at the same time really.
zero logic
March 6th
Salagir was saying:
iron leaf was saying: The specials are there so that Asura has enough buffer to draw the main chapters.
Thanks for this warning, but please stop repeating this sentence.
The specials aren’t there "to give time to Asura". They never were.
Thanks for this warning, but please stop repeating this sentence.
The specials aren’t there "to give time to Asura". They never were.
This is so funny for different reasons.
But why couldn't you release specials separately then, like we have other side stories simultaneously? 1 Replie(s)
zero logic
March 5th
nonno was saying:
Worst story ever.
WORD. Idk who came up with this lmao
zero logic
March 2nd
GoRootYT was saying:
zero logic was saying: This makes no sense. Goku "has no apparent weaknesses" but Vegito did????
Well, Vegito weaknesses is that he is to cocky. He underestimated the opponent, and lost. Goku wont give him a chance now.
Well, Vegito weaknesses is that he is to cocky. He underestimated the opponent, and lost. Goku wont give him a chance now.
ZZZ a humble Vegito would have still lost to the teleport trick. He didn't know what was happening and reacted the same as if he wasn't cocky...
zero logic
March 2nd
This makes no sense. Goku "has no apparent weaknesses" but Vegito did????
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zero logic
February 28th
Why does he need the other Dragon Balls when he got his own...
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zero logic
February 24th
iron leaf was saying:
zero logic was saying: iron leaf was saying: I would like to encourage everyone not to be overly emotional in their comments. This leads far too often to rule-breaking, which is then deleted.
Ah the typical dilemma here in DBM. If you just focus on the tournament fights, some people get tired of it. If there are (rare) scenes with typical OG humor, which is supposedly always demanded in this overly serious fan manga, some people also get tired of it.
Quite simply. Some people can't handle the concept of a webcomic. They should only visit when complete chapters are finished.
If you take a step back and look at it from the perspective of someone who reads the entire chapter in one sitting once all the pages are published, you realize that this award ceremony is a first-time original way to generate a break between tournament fights (compared to lunch or sleep breaks at night). These Honorable Mentions are something different. And of course you need a narrative break between the last two fights due to XXI's unique way of getting information about his enemies.
There are different ways to do that without causing ppl to snooze. Last time we got any character commenting about what happened was Bra on Gast's fight. Typically, if you check other fights, different characters make comments (U13 Vegeta/Kakarotto, Vegetto, Piccolo, Trunks/Potential, etc). The last semifinal just ended and we got no worthy reaction from anyone. It went straight into gag manga territory for no reason. Like I said before, this could have easily been a special with 20+ pages of awards.You forget that characters commenting on a fight and a complete break from tournament fights are two different things.
Let's refresh our memory a little.
First major interruption with quiet and gag elements. Chapter 7: Lunch Break. 24 pages, of which 7/8 pages actually contain the lunch break.
Second major break that didn't prioritize fights outside of the tournament. Chapter 24: A good night's sleep. 24 pages, 19 of which had nothing to do with the tournament itself. (Many foundations for future subplots are laid here)
Chapter 42 has a slightly longer interruption. 26 pages, 7 of which focus on the resurrection of people who have died in the tournament so far.
Chapter 44: Buu's escapades. 24 pages, including 11 pages of Santa Buu's nighttime adventures.
Chapter 86: Deceitful Magicians. 24 pages, 7 of which are mainly about how the tournament participants should prepare their own lunch.
And now Chapter 103. 23 pages so far, including 8 pages on this award ceremony.
Sometimes there are other interruptions in between, but they are of a different action-oriented nature. These examples show, among other things, the humorous side of DBM (rare but present). Sometimes there is no greater purpose behind it, like advancing plot or fleshing out characters, but just a desire to lighten things up with gags. Nothing new in DBM if it lasts a little longer and doesn't end after 3 pages.
Ah the typical dilemma here in DBM. If you just focus on the tournament fights, some people get tired of it. If there are (rare) scenes with typical OG humor, which is supposedly always demanded in this overly serious fan manga, some people also get tired of it.
Quite simply. Some people can't handle the concept of a webcomic. They should only visit when complete chapters are finished.
If you take a step back and look at it from the perspective of someone who reads the entire chapter in one sitting once all the pages are published, you realize that this award ceremony is a first-time original way to generate a break between tournament fights (compared to lunch or sleep breaks at night). These Honorable Mentions are something different. And of course you need a narrative break between the last two fights due to XXI's unique way of getting information about his enemies.
There are different ways to do that without causing ppl to snooze. Last time we got any character commenting about what happened was Bra on Gast's fight. Typically, if you check other fights, different characters make comments (U13 Vegeta/Kakarotto, Vegetto, Piccolo, Trunks/Potential, etc). The last semifinal just ended and we got no worthy reaction from anyone. It went straight into gag manga territory for no reason. Like I said before, this could have easily been a special with 20+ pages of awards.You forget that characters commenting on a fight and a complete break from tournament fights are two different things.
Let's refresh our memory a little.
First major interruption with quiet and gag elements. Chapter 7: Lunch Break. 24 pages, of which 7/8 pages actually contain the lunch break.
Second major break that didn't prioritize fights outside of the tournament. Chapter 24: A good night's sleep. 24 pages, 19 of which had nothing to do with the tournament itself. (Many foundations for future subplots are laid here)
Chapter 42 has a slightly longer interruption. 26 pages, 7 of which focus on the resurrection of people who have died in the tournament so far.
Chapter 44: Buu's escapades. 24 pages, including 11 pages of Santa Buu's nighttime adventures.
Chapter 86: Deceitful Magicians. 24 pages, 7 of which are mainly about how the tournament participants should prepare their own lunch.
And now Chapter 103. 23 pages so far, including 8 pages on this award ceremony.
Sometimes there are other interruptions in between, but they are of a different action-oriented nature. These examples show, among other things, the humorous side of DBM (rare but present). Sometimes there is no greater purpose behind it, like advancing plot or fleshing out characters, but just a desire to lighten things up with gags. Nothing new in DBM if it lasts a little longer and doesn't end after 3 pages.
In plenty of those examples, real things happened. Like on Buu's escapades finding XXI and his companion and getting erased. The 7 pages where the characters spent time cooking was also criticized if you don't recall.
zero logic
February 24th
iron leaf was saying:
I would like to encourage everyone not to be overly emotional in their comments. This leads far too often to rule-breaking, which is then deleted.
Ah the typical dilemma here in DBM. If you just focus on the tournament fights, some people get tired of it. If there are (rare) scenes with typical OG humor, which is supposedly always demanded in this overly serious fan manga, some people also get tired of it.
Quite simply. Some people can't handle the concept of a webcomic. They should only visit when complete chapters are finished.
If you take a step back and look at it from the perspective of someone who reads the entire chapter in one sitting once all the pages are published, you realize that this award ceremony is a first-time original way to generate a break between tournament fights (compared to lunch or sleep breaks at night). These Honorable Mentions are something different. And of course you need a narrative break between the last two fights due to XXI's unique way of getting information about his enemies.
Ah the typical dilemma here in DBM. If you just focus on the tournament fights, some people get tired of it. If there are (rare) scenes with typical OG humor, which is supposedly always demanded in this overly serious fan manga, some people also get tired of it.
Quite simply. Some people can't handle the concept of a webcomic. They should only visit when complete chapters are finished.
If you take a step back and look at it from the perspective of someone who reads the entire chapter in one sitting once all the pages are published, you realize that this award ceremony is a first-time original way to generate a break between tournament fights (compared to lunch or sleep breaks at night). These Honorable Mentions are something different. And of course you need a narrative break between the last two fights due to XXI's unique way of getting information about his enemies.
There are different ways to do that without causing ppl to snooze. Last time we got any character commenting about what happened was Bra on Gast's fight. Typically, if you check other fights, different characters make comments (U13 Vegeta/Kakarotto, Vegetto, Piccolo, Trunks/Potential, etc). The last semifinal just ended and we got no worthy reaction from anyone. It went straight into gag manga territory for no reason. Like I said before, this could have easily been a special with 20+ pages of awards. 1 Replie(s)
zero logic
February 19th
Just when I thought they couldn't have a more wasteful page last time he comes up with this lmao
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zero logic
February 15th
If they "had to add this [award] last minute" then it should mean this is the last award. IF there was logic behind this ofc
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zero logic
February 13th
Honorable mentions is basically a waste of panels...
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zero logic
February 5th
I keep saying, Vegetto snapping is a red herring. It won't take more than 1 chapter to resolve, some of yall got catfished for years
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zero logic
February 2nd
XXI releasing his true self after that tip suggests me he got a portal or something to connect to U10 room, which should be empty right now. He is probably trying to eat the South Kai oh boy
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zero logic
January 31st
This dumb ass broad gonna get us all killed
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zero logic
January 30th
DeathToKakarot was saying:
PrimeFighter was saying: 仅是剑客 was saying: Wasn't Bra believe Janemba was weak? https://w...393.html#h_read
She really has became a clown as her father now.
Goku is better to learn from Gast and Uub instead of listening to her.
Her statement makes no sense. She's on the level of SSJ2 Vegito. How would she not be able to handle Janemba there? I just try to ignore Bra as a character in DBM cuz everything else for the most part is enjoyable
Edit: Knowing Goku, whatever advice Gast has, Goku will reject it for a good fight UNLESS he doesn't have the DBS down syndrome stigma the show likes to exercise to a disgusting degree
Even in Z he was about having a good, equal fight; gave Cell a Senzu so him and Gohan could fight on equal footing, refused to use Potara against Kid Boo because he's not a fused being anymore. Matter of fact DBS is the one series where I do recall him being given advice on how to beat an enemy, and listening to it to get the W.
She really has became a clown as her father now.
Goku is better to learn from Gast and Uub instead of listening to her.
Her statement makes no sense. She's on the level of SSJ2 Vegito. How would she not be able to handle Janemba there? I just try to ignore Bra as a character in DBM cuz everything else for the most part is enjoyable
Edit: Knowing Goku, whatever advice Gast has, Goku will reject it for a good fight UNLESS he doesn't have the DBS down syndrome stigma the show likes to exercise to a disgusting degree
Even in Z he was about having a good, equal fight; gave Cell a Senzu so him and Gohan could fight on equal footing, refused to use Potara against Kid Boo because he's not a fused being anymore. Matter of fact DBS is the one series where I do recall him being given advice on how to beat an enemy, and listening to it to get the W.
No, he did the same in OG DB on the Mutanai Baba gauntlet and on the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai (shades against Ten Shin Han's Taiyoken)
zero logic
January 29th
iron leaf was saying:
Gast should have used Clothes-Beam on XXI, lol.
The fact that Gast won't immediately tell everyone what XXI actually did at the end of their fight makes me suspect that Gast himself is up to something. Something he doesn't want the others to know yet? I'm curious, and I'm sure it won't all be revealed within a few pages.
Your nickel was saying: So is Gast not going to tell Goku all the details he saw?Maybe he will, later. One Varga confirmed earlier that there will be a break until the final. We still have enough pages in this chapter.
zero logic was saying: I think Bra's assessment of Janemba is very sus bc earlier during the fight she thought Janemba was easy.
Personally, I think she woulda killed it no problem, she is leagues beyond Gohan after all.Son Bra is simply bipolar since the passive-phrase.
The fact that Gast won't immediately tell everyone what XXI actually did at the end of their fight makes me suspect that Gast himself is up to something. Something he doesn't want the others to know yet? I'm curious, and I'm sure it won't all be revealed within a few pages.
Your nickel was saying: So is Gast not going to tell Goku all the details he saw?Maybe he will, later. One Varga confirmed earlier that there will be a break until the final. We still have enough pages in this chapter.
zero logic was saying: I think Bra's assessment of Janemba is very sus bc earlier during the fight she thought Janemba was easy.
Personally, I think she woulda killed it no problem, she is leagues beyond Gohan after all.Son Bra is simply bipolar since the passive-phrase.
What I pointed out and bipolar syndrome are VERY different things...
zero logic
January 29th
I think Bra's assessment of Janemba is very sus bc earlier during the fight she thought Janemba was easy.
Personally, I think she woulda killed it no problem, she is leagues beyond Gohan after all. 2 Replie(s)
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Personally, I think she woulda killed it no problem, she is leagues beyond Gohan after all. 2 Replie(s)
zero logic
January 22nd
PMC was saying:
The other thing to consider is that the technique XXI uses to consume Gast may be irreversible. Like that soul punisher Vegetto alluded to in his conversation with Ginyu-Bra. So if XII is disqualified, Gast may be permanently dead & unable to continue.
The so called soul punisher is just him going to the other world and supposedly killing the soul. I don't think that is even logical but that's what we are getting lol
zero logic
January 22nd
ZenBuu was saying:
Shabby was saying: I love that the multiverse ending bad guy feels compelled to follow a rule.
I think that just shows how much he wants a wish from Porunga, when he has finally won the tournament. Whatever this wish might be, because he seemingly has his own set of DBs. His dragon surely must be nerfed in some way.
Also just a reminder, guys. Do not forget the title of the chapter. They are giving away awards between the semi finals and the finale. So no rampage (yet)! :D
I think that just shows how much he wants a wish from Porunga, when he has finally won the tournament. Whatever this wish might be, because he seemingly has his own set of DBs. His dragon surely must be nerfed in some way.
Also just a reminder, guys. Do not forget the title of the chapter. They are giving away awards between the semi finals and the finale. So no rampage (yet)! :D
I feel like the whole "vegetto rampage" is just a red herring that won't actually take that much to resolve. For once, organizers can just send him home like they did with Buu. 1 Replie(s)
zero logic
January 19th
I wonder if Gast could have talked to either Piccolo or the Namek organizers telepathically
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zero logic
January 19th
So he is basically Moro from DBS but with a bit more hax. OK
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zero logic
January 18th
foiopaulo was saying:
I'm calling it: they are both invisible, and will lose. Goku will be the champion by default, Vegetto will lose his sh*t and attack.
But first we'll see XXI revolting, a fight breaking, divided into 8 parts, with 1 or 2 specials inbetween.
But first we'll see XXI revolting, a fight breaking, divided into 8 parts, with 1 or 2 specials inbetween.
That's what the title implies. Kinda makes sense bc if XXI wins here and advances, the Final will be over in 3 panels
zero logic
January 16th
Remember XXI can also use magic. When he sealed Buu away, it wasn't his avatar saying the spell. It was his true(?) form. And Buu said himself you need magical powers to use magical spells (pointing at the boombox)
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zero logic
January 15th
ZenBuu was saying:
Gast is a fucking badass man. He still has reserves? God damn... Buu was rightfully worried about him.
Also XXI somehow reminds me of a snake in the last panel.
Also XXI somehow reminds me of a snake in the last panel.
His chest kinda seems like an armor. Also Gast is HIM
zero logic
January 9th
It would be great writing to have Gast fake his current condition and be like SIKE let's fight for real now
DB Multiverse page 2439
zero logic
January 8th
DrewSaga was saying:
zero logic was saying: DrewSaga was saying: Come on Gast, don't go down on a whimper...
MrPerson0 was saying: Goku desperately taking notes since he'll likely have to face XXI...
I would too if I was Goku. If he can't figure XXI out then what chance does he have?
zero logic was saying: Vash was saying: I can’t see anything either.
Lol nice one. Can't Gast just IT out of the smoke?
If Goku can't sense Gast then it's possible Gast can't sense the others neither.
So? Gast is not using Goku's IT. He knows Kibito/Kai tp which doesn't need any lock. This was pointed out on the fight against Janemba
That takes greater level of focus and given the shape Gast is in, I don't think he is going to do that. Even if he did then what? Gast has to land a good attack on XXI just to even have a chance of winning.
MrPerson0 was saying: Goku desperately taking notes since he'll likely have to face XXI...
I would too if I was Goku. If he can't figure XXI out then what chance does he have?
zero logic was saying: Vash was saying: I can’t see anything either.
Lol nice one. Can't Gast just IT out of the smoke?
If Goku can't sense Gast then it's possible Gast can't sense the others neither.
So? Gast is not using Goku's IT. He knows Kibito/Kai tp which doesn't need any lock. This was pointed out on the fight against Janemba
That takes greater level of focus and given the shape Gast is in, I don't think he is going to do that. Even if he did then what? Gast has to land a good attack on XXI just to even have a chance of winning.
He could TP out of there and then use his immobilize magic move 1 Replie(s)
zero logic
January 8th
DrewSaga was saying:
Come on Gast, don't go down on a whimper...
MrPerson0 was saying: Goku desperately taking notes since he'll likely have to face XXI...
I would too if I was Goku. If he can't figure XXI out then what chance does he have?
zero logic was saying: Vash was saying: I can’t see anything either.
Lol nice one. Can't Gast just IT out of the smoke?
If Goku can't sense Gast then it's possible Gast can't sense the others neither.
MrPerson0 was saying: Goku desperately taking notes since he'll likely have to face XXI...
I would too if I was Goku. If he can't figure XXI out then what chance does he have?
zero logic was saying: Vash was saying: I can’t see anything either.
Lol nice one. Can't Gast just IT out of the smoke?
If Goku can't sense Gast then it's possible Gast can't sense the others neither.
So? Gast is not using Goku's IT. He knows Kibito/Kai tp which doesn't need any lock. This was pointed out on the fight against Janemba 2 Replie(s)
zero logic
January 8th
Vash was saying:
I can’t see anything either.
Lol nice one. Can't Gast just IT out of the smoke? 1 Replie(s)
zero logic
January 6th
If Gast goes in the next page or so I imagine XXI beats Goku with the same tech he used on Vegetto which would make him go crazy. A proper Gast/Goku final would/should take a couple of chapters to draw not be on the same.
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zero logic
December 20th
Shabby was saying:
What proof does Thorn need? They showed up, and got attacked. It was Krillin that saved these guys.
Plus, Gast can just read Krillin's mind and know the truth.
It's possible they killed a cyborg. Without the experience on Namek and Krillin getting his potential awakened, he's probably under 10k.
Androids may be very weak as well.
This scene is missing Mister Popo :)
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What if the cyborg they killed was Gohan!?!?
Plus, Gast can just read Krillin's mind and know the truth.
It's possible they killed a cyborg. Without the experience on Namek and Krillin getting his potential awakened, he's probably under 10k.
Androids may be very weak as well.
This scene is missing Mister Popo :)
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What if the cyborg they killed was Gohan!?!?
You know, the whole point about bringing power levels to DBZ was to show how useless they were. It's funny that almost 40 years later, people are using them for comparisons lol 3 Replie(s)
zero logic
November 22nd
I like the new designs. And the personalities match 18 and 19 lol. Good so far
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zero logic
November 18th
Wonder how he fights Cell if the abdroids are still around. Unless he fought first form Cell...
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zero logic
November 6th
foiopaulo was saying:
We'll have only another page of this. Then, 2 minicomics and the beggining of a loooooong special about our hulking namek...
Wonder what will happen, and how long this cliffhanger will be.
My two cents? XXI true form shows up.
Wonder what will happen, and how long this cliffhanger will be.
My two cents? XXI true form shows up.
This is the last page iirc. Nov 13th is when the special starts so that means only 2 days before that and we are getting 2 minicomics before the special... 1 Replie(s)
zero logic
October 31st
Buu said "the only one that worried me [was Gast]". He was right
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zero logic
October 28th
ZenBuu was saying:
DestroyerOfVegetards was saying: Stevethebarbarian was saying: Gast Greatness was saying: So the people who assumed Gast was using Zen Buu's Dark World Lightning Magic Technique turned out to be correct...tough break, Janemba.
As for his summoner:
300 Pages Earlier https://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-2110.html
XII: "The techniques Buu used to defeat Gast. Give them to me."
Dark Shenron: "Those are way beyond my abilities. Such a shame...It looks like it's over for you."
You know, this kinda reveals that in terms of actual talent, Buu and Gast are both categorically on a different level from XXI. XXI gets his cheat abilities from a dragon who’s “way below” being capable of casting Buu’s magic, the same magic that Gast copied after having it used on him once.
XXI, “devourer of worlds,” would be no match for any of the top-tiers here except for his extensive planning and preparation. It’s an admirable skillset to have, but it’s proof that if push comes to shove, he can’t hang.
Obviously.
He won against Vegito and Buu by taking advantage of the 30 seconds rule. But he didn't (or couldn't) hurt neither of them. He likely won't survive a fight to the death with no time-out rule if he is not given a chance to prepare. But he's the type of villain that always prepares.
Stevethebarbarian was saying: DestroyerOfVegetards was saying:
Obviously.
He won against Vegito and Buu by taking advantage of the 30 seconds rule. But he didn't (or couldn't) hurt neither of them. He likely won't survive a fight to the death with no time-out rule if he is not given a chance to prepare. But he's the type of villain that always prepares.
It’s obvious that he’s no match in terms of raw power, but what I mean is in magic as well, his actual talent is completely mediocre. He’s probably no better than Babidi, or perhaps worse. His only advantage is caution and a wish-granting dragon.
You guys should not forget, that XXI does possess raw power for sure, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to pull off the Majin Punisher on Zen Buu, when the latter visited his apartment at night. He completely destroyed that piece of Buu, to the very last atom. That's definitely not an easy feat, that everybody can pull off... Even Buu himself was surprised at that:
Page 993.
Even Goku and Vegeta said on page 2049, that they apparently need to be at a certain level, to replicate this technique.
So XXI also has raw power, just decides to not use it for some reason.
zero logic was saying: Wait, how/when did Gast learn the technique that destroys Buu? He was dead when they used it, and the other time it was used it was by Vegeto/Bra far, far away in outer space. He hasn't seen it in the tournament. Hipe this was written properly and he somehow learned it before or something
Zen Buu showed everyone what happened in the Majin rebellion and Son Bra used the technique on Fat Buu (page 1733). That was apparently enough for Gast to replicate it. Also, Gast should be able to read minds. Or... He did know how to do it before, since he also beat Buu in his universe.
Side fact: check the other languages of this page, other than english or french! The second panel has more dark lightning bolts than here, because of an weird export error. Though I guess this will get fixed soon. Nothing much I can do here for now. :)
As for his summoner:
300 Pages Earlier https://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-2110.html
XII: "The techniques Buu used to defeat Gast. Give them to me."
Dark Shenron: "Those are way beyond my abilities. Such a shame...It looks like it's over for you."
You know, this kinda reveals that in terms of actual talent, Buu and Gast are both categorically on a different level from XXI. XXI gets his cheat abilities from a dragon who’s “way below” being capable of casting Buu’s magic, the same magic that Gast copied after having it used on him once.
XXI, “devourer of worlds,” would be no match for any of the top-tiers here except for his extensive planning and preparation. It’s an admirable skillset to have, but it’s proof that if push comes to shove, he can’t hang.
Obviously.
He won against Vegito and Buu by taking advantage of the 30 seconds rule. But he didn't (or couldn't) hurt neither of them. He likely won't survive a fight to the death with no time-out rule if he is not given a chance to prepare. But he's the type of villain that always prepares.
Stevethebarbarian was saying: DestroyerOfVegetards was saying:
Obviously.
He won against Vegito and Buu by taking advantage of the 30 seconds rule. But he didn't (or couldn't) hurt neither of them. He likely won't survive a fight to the death with no time-out rule if he is not given a chance to prepare. But he's the type of villain that always prepares.
It’s obvious that he’s no match in terms of raw power, but what I mean is in magic as well, his actual talent is completely mediocre. He’s probably no better than Babidi, or perhaps worse. His only advantage is caution and a wish-granting dragon.
You guys should not forget, that XXI does possess raw power for sure, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to pull off the Majin Punisher on Zen Buu, when the latter visited his apartment at night. He completely destroyed that piece of Buu, to the very last atom. That's definitely not an easy feat, that everybody can pull off... Even Buu himself was surprised at that:
Page 993.
Even Goku and Vegeta said on page 2049, that they apparently need to be at a certain level, to replicate this technique.
So XXI also has raw power, just decides to not use it for some reason.
zero logic was saying: Wait, how/when did Gast learn the technique that destroys Buu? He was dead when they used it, and the other time it was used it was by Vegeto/Bra far, far away in outer space. He hasn't seen it in the tournament. Hipe this was written properly and he somehow learned it before or something
Zen Buu showed everyone what happened in the Majin rebellion and Son Bra used the technique on Fat Buu (page 1733). That was apparently enough for Gast to replicate it. Also, Gast should be able to read minds. Or... He did know how to do it before, since he also beat Buu in his universe.
Side fact: check the other languages of this page, other than english or french! The second panel has more dark lightning bolts than here, because of an weird export error. Though I guess this will get fixed soon. Nothing much I can do here for now. :)
I missed the part where Bra used it against Fat Buu. Ok, he coulda learned it there I suppose. Defeating Kid Buu doesn't require that technique though, if you are strong enough, a ki blast should do it, like Gohan finished Cell
zero logic
October 28th
Wait, how/when did Gast learn the technique that destroys Buu? He was dead when they used it, and the other time it was used it was by Vegeto/Bra far, far away in outer space. He hasn't seen it in the tournament. Hipe this was written properly and he somehow learned it before or something
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DB Multiverse page 2410
zero logic
October 27th
Gast Greatness was saying:
So the people who assumed Gast was using Zen Buu's Dark World Lightning Magic Technique turned out to be correct...tough break, Janemba.
As for his summoner:
300 Pages Earlier https://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-2110.html
XII: "The techniques Buu used to defeat Gast. Give them to me."
Dark Shenron: "Those are way beyond my abilities. Such a shame...It looks like it's over for you."
As for his summoner:
300 Pages Earlier https://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-2110.html
XII: "The techniques Buu used to defeat Gast. Give them to me."
Dark Shenron: "Those are way beyond my abilities. Such a shame...It looks like it's over for you."
Was just about to point out that Shenron itself couldn't copy those but Gast did lol. If he can overcome magic immune beings that means you can only beat him with brute strength. My guess is that the real smoky XXI will have to show his real self and powers to beat Gast 1 Replie(s)
zero logic
October 27th
ZenBuu was saying:
Is that... the freaking Majin Punisher?!
Gast copies techniques left and right here, what a maniac! Is this the technique bargain sale? XD
Goku would be proud, hopefully he takes notes... ;P
Gast copies techniques left and right here, what a maniac! Is this the technique bargain sale? XD
Goku would be proud, hopefully he takes notes... ;P
The sound effect remained the same, nice detail
zero logic
October 25th
Menna was saying:
That's buu's move! The one that he used on Gast
Which one? He used a bunch of them. If true though, that is some sick move to learn
zero logic
October 23rd
Gogetto was saying:
I have a feeling that as soon as gast beats janemba, xxi will do something silly to beat him. We are seeing nothing of xxi this whole time
My guess is that the "real" XXI (the shadow figure) will come out and finish him in one move/blast.
zero logic
October 11th
This is one of the coolest attacks in DBZ. Asura did a great job here
DB Multiverse page 2403
zero logic
October 9th
iron leaf was saying:
J.I.L was saying: Why does DBM make ITS Panels so big? It looks glossier, but slowers the pacing significantly. The fighting is solid in all fairness, but the pacing is a drag.No, the pacing is incredible fast. One special technique after another. Both fighters dish it out and take it. An evidently very even match. It's rather the opposite, some people argued that DBM should have slowed down in some places so that you could dwell on a scene longer. Like with Janemba's sword, for example. My personal only weak point so far were 3 direct panels where Janemba pushes his face directly towards the reader within 5 pages (repetition).
Each attack takes about a week though. Check Gast last fireball strat. It was 3 pages from beginning to landing 1 Replie(s)
zero logic
October 6th
Hope we see more teleportation from Janemba, and if we do, in a more offensive way like he did to Goku. IMO that was its most broken move
DB Multiverse page 2401
zero logic
October 5th
Raza was saying:
@Asura, you really are an incredible DB artist. And you have creativity in your panels, your angles, and your ability to express motion. You should be proud of yourself.
Yeah the art is definitely the highlight here!
zero logic
October 2nd
I don't mind a two panel page but it seems this whole fight has been just 3 panels each...
DB Multiverse page 2399
zero logic
September 30th
Grydon was saying:
zero logic was saying: Remember when questioning logic on a fanfic: Salagir wrote this. Just move on and enjoy the great art, certainly the plot is not the manga's forte
The plot is this manga’s forte, that’s why it’s loved by so many. It’s more than just random tranformations and fanficky writing 99% of fanfics suffer from. In lot of ways it’s much better written than even the official story, specifically DBS.
That’s why an error like this is worth questioning, that doesn’t happen too often here
The plot is this manga’s forte, that’s why it’s loved by so many. It’s more than just random tranformations and fanficky writing 99% of fanfics suffer from. In lot of ways it’s much better written than even the official story, specifically DBS.
That’s why an error like this is worth questioning, that doesn’t happen too often here
Wow, if that is your opinion, hard to change it but I like the art waaaay more than a lot of decisions taken here like Vegeto's personality, Grand Kaio's behaviour, U18's Vegeta's "growth", even the fighters selection in universes (Piccolo Daimao universe for example), plenty of stuff thst doesnt make sense 1 Replie(s)
zero logic
September 30th
Remember when questioning logic on a fanfic: Salagir wrote this. Just move on and enjoy the great art, certainly the plot is not the manga's forte
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DB Multiverse page 2398
zero logic
September 23rd
Very nice page and effects
DBMultiverse Special OAV - Broly Final War page 25
zero logic
September 22nd
I wonder how challenging will be for Asura to draw the special effect of Janemba's teleport. Because we haven't seen it yet and it was one of his signature moves
DB Multiverse page 2395
zero logic
September 17th
IMO movie Janemba was as strong as Super Buu. Which is why SSJ3 Goku wasn't completely outclassed. The abilities made it harder to handle than it should have.
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DB Multiverse page 2392
zero logic
September 16th
Super Gojita 3 was saying:
Marc of The Endless was saying: See a lot of people saying SSJ3 Goku was matching or even overwhelming Super Janemba, this is not the case whatsoever. Before even creating the Dimensional Sword, we see Goku is injured and being pushed back by Janemba. Once he grabs the sword, the fight is essentially over and Goku can only run/evade until he is saved by Vegeta. All of this without even powering up, which Janemba only does in response to Gogeta's appearance. Also, SSJ3 Goku is stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks and Mystic Gohan in Toeiland, he showcases this versus Hirudegarn after Hirudegarn stomps Gotenks and Gohan. They would not defeat Janemba either, according to the movie timeline's power scaling.
DBM has the liberty to do whatever with the character, especially since Gast is fanmade and his own powers have no real consistency besides "strong." There's also the fact that Salagir has soft retconned his own scaling many times before. However strong he ends up being here, it won't have anything to do with his strength in the film. Broly being as stupid as he was in this should've clued everyone into that, honestly.
I recommend you rewatch that fight.
ssj3 goku was gaining the edge slowly as the fight went on, when it was hand to hand without any dimensional warping.
when janemba did use his powers, thats when he got the upper hand.
brute force wise, goku was winning, but thats not what determined the outcome.
DBM has the liberty to do whatever with the character, especially since Gast is fanmade and his own powers have no real consistency besides "strong." There's also the fact that Salagir has soft retconned his own scaling many times before. However strong he ends up being here, it won't have anything to do with his strength in the film. Broly being as stupid as he was in this should've clued everyone into that, honestly.
I recommend you rewatch that fight.
ssj3 goku was gaining the edge slowly as the fight went on, when it was hand to hand without any dimensional warping.
when janemba did use his powers, thats when he got the upper hand.
brute force wise, goku was winning, but thats not what determined the outcome.
Is kinda the opposite. Goku starts off strong and has the upper hand, then Janemba uses teleport and lands a ki blast then the mouth blast catches Goku off guard. Then is sword time aka GG. Even without the sword, the abilities pushed Janemba over Goku. He also didn't use his other special attacks like the shattered glass thingy 1 Replie(s)
zero logic
September 15th
WukongTheMighty was saying:
Madara was saying: Jenemba is like Buu, one of the characters that can be defeated only by PLOT
Janemba is a character who is practically effortless for anybody substantially above him strengthwise to beat. All the hax in the world can't help you if your opponent can just evaporate you with one punch and send you flying effortlessly with basic kiai. Gogeta disintegrates Janemba in roughly 60 seconds of screentime. And 40 seconds of that time was him just styling on him.
Like he's cool, but realistically he probably gets whooped by Ultimate Gohan AND SS3 Gotenks.
Janemba is a character who is practically effortless for anybody substantially above him strengthwise to beat. All the hax in the world can't help you if your opponent can just evaporate you with one punch and send you flying effortlessly with basic kiai. Gogeta disintegrates Janemba in roughly 60 seconds of screentime. And 40 seconds of that time was him just styling on him.
Like he's cool, but realistically he probably gets whooped by Ultimate Gohan AND SS3 Gotenks.
I disagree. Goku was doing ok until all the teleport started. Neither Gohan nor Gotenks is as experienced. If Goku got beaten before figuring it out, then so would them 1 Replie(s)
zero logic
September 9th
KnightHammer was saying:
Truly by how that sword works I'd be falling from my chair laughing if the dimensional waves traveled right through the shield and cut Vegito to pieces while he's still complaining about sportsmanship.
My request would be Frieza getting cut again
zero logic
September 9th
I don't understand how Salagir deals with movies. Supposedly movies are not canon (Gogeta, Broly, Cooler, etc), however Salagir treats Broly as canon (U16/18 dealt with him, Kaios killed him as baby, etc), same as Bojack BUT Hildegarn and Janemba are completely unknown to EVERYONE...
I know he is not the best at writing stories but still 2 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 2389
I know he is not the best at writing stories but still 2 Replie(s)
zero logic
August 30th
I usually shit on the plot bc cmon but this is pretty cool i gotta admit
DB Multiverse page 2385
zero logic
August 15th
Kor Saiyajinkami was saying:
TROLLAGIR STRIKES AGAIN!!!
He's really trolled us hard this time and unnecessarily pissed off too many people. He should've had the reveal that these events were a vision before the vision instead of afterwards. That way he wouldn't be pissing people off like he did this way and yes I know he didn't draft this chapter, but he could've requested the artist to have the reveal be before the vision instead of after it. If it was revealed before the vision, it would've let us know that this isn't actually happening so people wouldn't've responded to the events of the vision so badly or at least less people would have AND it also would've allowed people who didn't care about this fight to leave at any time of their choosing and return back later once the next chapter started.
He's really trolled us hard this time and unnecessarily pissed off too many people. He should've had the reveal that these events were a vision before the vision instead of afterwards. That way he wouldn't be pissing people off like he did this way and yes I know he didn't draft this chapter, but he could've requested the artist to have the reveal be before the vision instead of after it. If it was revealed before the vision, it would've let us know that this isn't actually happening so people wouldn't've responded to the events of the vision so badly or at least less people would have AND it also would've allowed people who didn't care about this fight to leave at any time of their choosing and return back later once the next chapter started.
I think you are giving him too much credit. What you or others may see it as trolling or a plot twist, he is actually trying to do some story telling lol. Pretty sad
zero logic
August 14th
Ladies and gentlemen, I present you Salagir the master plot writer LMAO
DB Multiverse page 2378
zero logic
August 11th
ZenBuu was saying:
newman was saying: I see nothing but praise on this site except for the rare occasion like this when people don’t like your product.
You must see another comment section than me. Because this definitely isn't a rare occasion. ;p
You must see another comment section than me. Because this definitely isn't a rare occasion. ;p
There must be a reason (just read this page for reference lol)
zero logic
August 5th
Ladies and gentlemen, I present you Salagir, the main writer
DB Multiverse page 2374
zero logic
July 28th
I don't get why ppl are surprised. "Mystic" Radditz ain't shizzle lol. DB Piccolo wasted him lol
DB Multiverse page 2371
zero logic
July 4th
What I don't like about this page is that Broly never really hit ppl multiple times. He was always so strong that one lariat or one throw was enough. After the first punch (that looks awesome btw) he shoulda grabbed him by the face like he did with Gohan in 2nd Coming and pin him to the ground or something.
DBMultiverse Colors page 193
zero logic
June 27th
jonathan_vik was saying:
Ugh, this feels like a joke from the early 2000's or something.
Bruh. All the jokes you have read or watched from DBZ are from the 90s... 1 Replie(s)
zero logic
June 13th
Is not the crying ffs. Legend says there will be a super saiyan born. Goku and Broly were born the same day. Its a subtle hint that one of them is meant to become that super saiyan. Apparently too subtle for the average dbz fan lol. Anyway, Broly feels Goku and recognizes him as a threat despite their power levels. "Look! Bardock's son cries *harder* than Broly!" I guess is more relatable to just make a character "but dad shocks me" for most ppl here...
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DBMultiverse Colors page 187
zero logic
June 13th
You guys are tripping. DBS Broly has cool fights and powers but his actual character is ass. They made him a milennial lol. Dad abuse made the OG a demon that took revenge on his dad. Dad abuse made DBS Broly a pussy, who got rescued by a girl and then pussy whipped. OG Broly was a sadist and threw a lot of shade at Goku and co. Whoever thinks he just yells "kakaroto" prob only watched abridged stuff
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DBMultiverse Colors page 187
zero logic
April 14th 2024
I bet one of IKL beams went through and is gonna disable the Vargas tech. Only explanation to why Vegetto or potentially XXI can go rampage mode and not be sent back like they did with Buu.
Also, I don't understand the design for IKL either. He is an artificial being but uses magic!?? Also an artificial being but was born out of a womb...
DB Multiverse page 2326
Also, I don't understand the design for IKL either. He is an artificial being but uses magic!?? Also an artificial being but was born out of a womb...
zero logic
February 15th 2024
I think IKL is gonna be like GT Baby and gonna "infect" Vegeto. So, it wasn't a Majin spell, not Ginyu swapping bodies.
DB Multiverse page 2301
zero logic
November 29th 2023
RE: font
For those of you who don't remember, this is the font used on Bardock's visions. But is weird, considering Bardock left the tournament/universe
DB Multiverse page 2274
For those of you who don't remember, this is the font used on Bardock's visions. But is weird, considering Bardock left the tournament/universe
zero logic
November 24th 2023
Stevethebarbarian was saying:
I can’t believe the Goku vs Vegeta debate is back, but I have a psychological compulsion to have the last word, so I’ll say this.
In DBM canon, Goku and Vegeta have now fought four times onscreen. Their record is 2-1-1, two wins for Vegeta (the fight when they met and the fight in the Time Chamber), one for Goku (just now), and one inconclusive (the fight in the Buu Saga).
Majin Vegeta vs Goku wasn’t a win for Vegeta just because Goku was on the ground at the end. They both agreed to postpone the fight. In the situation that they agreed to postpone the fight and Vegeta is *lying,* or if he still bore ill will to Goku, or was a dishonorable fighter and would use such an opportunity to win against Goku, then yes, that would have been Goku’s loss, and probably his death. However, Goku isn’t a complete idiot, and he knows Vegeta pretty well. He dropped his guard because he recognized that Vegeta wasn’t lying about the truce and wasn’t the type to scrape out a free win.
Fight records aren’t based on any objective measure of “which of the two was on the ground in the end.” Vegeta didn’t get his second win on Goku by kicking him at Piccolo while he was having a heart attack. The two agreed on the bounds of a match, and then that match ended with neither of them defeated. That’s inconclusive, not a draw, and you don’t need to invoke SS3 to say it wasn’t a win for Vegeta. Hell, if you told Vegeta he has a 3-1 record against Goku, he’d be offended that you felt the need to stuff his record with something that obviously wasn’t a fight.
Anyway all that being said, while Vegeta’s record against Goku is still positive, it’s clear that overall, he’s not Goku’s superior. Vegeta knows completely well that at almost any given moment aside from literally like two days since he’s been living on Earth, if Goku got serious he could crush him. He literally said so in the Time Chamber sparring match, that he wasn’t satisfied with his win because he knew Goku was holding back. He also said as much during the Buu fight in canon, when he admitted Goku was just his superior in battle.
So what does this mean for our specific battle? Well not much in terms of record, this really is Goku’s first onscreen win. But psychologically, it means a lot. For years, Vegeta has known full well that if Goku wanted, he could reveal his full power and crush him in an instant. SS1 after he landed on earth, Grade 4 after he emerged from the Time Chamber, SS2 before Vegeta accepted Babidi’s power (I personally believe Vegeta had SS2, but since the fight was so even even with Babidi’s power, I think without it Vegeta would be toast), SS3 for most of the post-Z era.
In this fight, Vegeta finally saw the depths of Goku, he touched the bottom, he experienced his absolute maximum, and he matched it. Just as unambiguous as Goku’s win is the fact that this fight could have gone either way. If Goku is still the martial superior, it is by a tiny fraction, not nearly substantial enough to make for a clear winner, and it’s equally possible that Goku isn’t the superior, and instead they’re even, or Vegeta is a tiny bit stronger.
One way or another, while this is a loss for Vegeta, it’s the first time in the 28 years they’ve known each other that Goku has actually and genuinely shown him every ounce of his power, every drop of energy inside of him. For Goku, of course, this was a great fight that pushed him to his limits with someone he’s always been rooting for, but for Vegeta it’s something much more meaningful. 28 years of rage, frustration, pride, and dissatisfaction released through his fists. The catharsis of letting go of an inferiority complex older than his son. No more does he have to admit to himself, “if Kakarot used his full power, this would end in a second,” no more will he fear being a jobber (because Toriyama didn’t write this.)
It’s over. They’re even. He’s just as good as you, Kakarot.
In DBM canon, Goku and Vegeta have now fought four times onscreen. Their record is 2-1-1, two wins for Vegeta (the fight when they met and the fight in the Time Chamber), one for Goku (just now), and one inconclusive (the fight in the Buu Saga).
Majin Vegeta vs Goku wasn’t a win for Vegeta just because Goku was on the ground at the end. They both agreed to postpone the fight. In the situation that they agreed to postpone the fight and Vegeta is *lying,* or if he still bore ill will to Goku, or was a dishonorable fighter and would use such an opportunity to win against Goku, then yes, that would have been Goku’s loss, and probably his death. However, Goku isn’t a complete idiot, and he knows Vegeta pretty well. He dropped his guard because he recognized that Vegeta wasn’t lying about the truce and wasn’t the type to scrape out a free win.
Fight records aren’t based on any objective measure of “which of the two was on the ground in the end.” Vegeta didn’t get his second win on Goku by kicking him at Piccolo while he was having a heart attack. The two agreed on the bounds of a match, and then that match ended with neither of them defeated. That’s inconclusive, not a draw, and you don’t need to invoke SS3 to say it wasn’t a win for Vegeta. Hell, if you told Vegeta he has a 3-1 record against Goku, he’d be offended that you felt the need to stuff his record with something that obviously wasn’t a fight.
Anyway all that being said, while Vegeta’s record against Goku is still positive, it’s clear that overall, he’s not Goku’s superior. Vegeta knows completely well that at almost any given moment aside from literally like two days since he’s been living on Earth, if Goku got serious he could crush him. He literally said so in the Time Chamber sparring match, that he wasn’t satisfied with his win because he knew Goku was holding back. He also said as much during the Buu fight in canon, when he admitted Goku was just his superior in battle.
So what does this mean for our specific battle? Well not much in terms of record, this really is Goku’s first onscreen win. But psychologically, it means a lot. For years, Vegeta has known full well that if Goku wanted, he could reveal his full power and crush him in an instant. SS1 after he landed on earth, Grade 4 after he emerged from the Time Chamber, SS2 before Vegeta accepted Babidi’s power (I personally believe Vegeta had SS2, but since the fight was so even even with Babidi’s power, I think without it Vegeta would be toast), SS3 for most of the post-Z era.
In this fight, Vegeta finally saw the depths of Goku, he touched the bottom, he experienced his absolute maximum, and he matched it. Just as unambiguous as Goku’s win is the fact that this fight could have gone either way. If Goku is still the martial superior, it is by a tiny fraction, not nearly substantial enough to make for a clear winner, and it’s equally possible that Goku isn’t the superior, and instead they’re even, or Vegeta is a tiny bit stronger.
One way or another, while this is a loss for Vegeta, it’s the first time in the 28 years they’ve known each other that Goku has actually and genuinely shown him every ounce of his power, every drop of energy inside of him. For Goku, of course, this was a great fight that pushed him to his limits with someone he’s always been rooting for, but for Vegeta it’s something much more meaningful. 28 years of rage, frustration, pride, and dissatisfaction released through his fists. The catharsis of letting go of an inferiority complex older than his son. No more does he have to admit to himself, “if Kakarot used his full power, this would end in a second,” no more will he fear being a jobber (because Toriyama didn’t write this.)
It’s over. They’re even. He’s just as good as you, Kakarot.
You are in for a surprise when Goku reveals an extra power up. But even fighting at the same level, he still beat Vegeta lol
zero logic
November 20th 2023
brolyhater was saying:
How does a fusion of Goku and Vegeta not understand that the rivalry of Goku and Vegeta was what pushed them to get stronger
Subpar writing? The whole "Vegeta got jealous too" was Cell's saga. If anyone brings up the "ohh DBZ Vegetto is 10 years ago, character has grown since then" then Cell saga Vegeta is 17 years ago and you fellas are bringing that up lol.
Is a fanfic so anything is fair game I suppose when it comes to portrayal of characters. Doesn't mean certain things don't make a lot of sense based on the material it is based off. 1 Replie(s)
zero logic
November 19th 2023
Everyone thinking is easy to do lol
Even though this is fanfic, Vegetto is very wildly written. Like, might as well call him differently, is always waaay out of character. But if that gives the writers "creative freedom" whatever 1 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 2270
Even though this is fanfic, Vegetto is very wildly written. Like, might as well call him differently, is always waaay out of character. But if that gives the writers "creative freedom" whatever 1 Replie(s)
zero logic
November 15th 2023
Just realized, the rules state that if you are unconscious or disabled for 30 secs you are DQed. Not if you are just lying down. Goku could fall on his back with eyes open and not be part of any countdown
DB Multiverse page 2268
zero logic
November 15th 2023
Some of yall could see a panel where Goku is declared winner and will still go "I can guarantee Vegeta is winning!" Lol
Vegeta's role in dragon ball is to be #1 jobber
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Vegeta's role in dragon ball is to be #1 jobber
zero logic
November 15th 2023
LOL Vegeta takes another L. What a surprise /s. And this is Goku probably holding back another transformation or power up. Couldn't have ended differently really. Hope we see a couple of meaningful reactions before they end the chapter
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zero logic
November 14th 2023
Goku beats Vegeta even when sandbagging lol.
Pretty sure Goku has some bs power up hidden from Vegeta and only played along "cause is more fun/competitive" this way. Fits the story. Also fits Vegeta's place in DB in general (jobber, 2nd place)
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Pretty sure Goku has some bs power up hidden from Vegeta and only played along "cause is more fun/competitive" this way. Fits the story. Also fits Vegeta's place in DB in general (jobber, 2nd place)
zero logic
November 8th 2023
corpiman was saying:
ehariel was saying: I'm calling it right now: next page we'll see Goku doing the same thing to Vegeta.
Oh c'mon what make you say that?
... the fact that that's the only thing we've seen happen for the past 2 months or however long this chapter has been going on?
seriously, yeah they are "taking their time because this is Goku Vs Vegeta" but nothing happens, nothing carries any weight, there's a reason why Goku Vs Majin Vegeta was like 2 pages in the original manga, they are writting this like if it were a storyboard for an anime
yes, the art is great, but there's only so many times we can see Guy 1 punches Guy 2 and then Guy 2 punches back before it gets bland and predictible, and for this it was 15 pages ago
Oh c'mon what make you say that?
... the fact that that's the only thing we've seen happen for the past 2 months or however long this chapter has been going on?
seriously, yeah they are "taking their time because this is Goku Vs Vegeta" but nothing happens, nothing carries any weight, there's a reason why Goku Vs Majin Vegeta was like 2 pages in the original manga, they are writting this like if it were a storyboard for an anime
yes, the art is great, but there's only so many times we can see Guy 1 punches Guy 2 and then Guy 2 punches back before it gets bland and predictible, and for this it was 15 pages ago
100%.
I predict Goku will either kick or knee him on the next page and then the cycle continues lol
zero logic
November 6th 2023
عمار was saying:
zero logic was saying: ...
how are you breaking a hand with your head? Does that mean punching can break your hand too??? Dear Lord Beerus...
Ummmm yes?! Why do you think fighters wear gloves when they fight? Daniel Cormier has broke his finger when he KO'ed Stipe Miocic.
how are you breaking a hand with your head? Does that mean punching can break your hand too??? Dear Lord Beerus...
Ummmm yes?! Why do you think fighters wear gloves when they fight? Daniel Cormier has broke his finger when he KO'ed Stipe Miocic.
In manga bro? More specifically, DBZ? You'd expect after decades of fights someone coulda broke his hand during one of their dozens of battles??? Did Vegeta break his hand trying to punch Frieza form 2? If hitting the skull is so bad, why does everyone go for a hit to the skull as finisher throughout DBZ lol. You know, the double fist axe down move into the ground. And how come no one has broken jack doing it for years now 2 Replie(s)
zero logic
November 5th 2023
DaniszX was saying:
zero logic was saying: ...
how are you breaking a hand with your head? Does that mean punching can break your hand too??? Dear Lord Beerus...
That's what happens if you hit the forehead with a punch. Try hitting it lightly. It's really hard. Now Vegeta also headbutted his incoming punch. That was gonna break it 100%
how are you breaking a hand with your head? Does that mean punching can break your hand too??? Dear Lord Beerus...
That's what happens if you hit the forehead with a punch. Try hitting it lightly. It's really hard. Now Vegeta also headbutted his incoming punch. That was gonna break it 100%
Nah man, I did boxing for 2.5 years, avoiding hitting the head over a possible made out injury, never happened or was even discussed.
Kalenz was saying:
zero logic was saying: ...
how are you breaking a hand with your head? Does that mean punching can break your hand too??? Dear Lord Beerus...
Yap. That's a real thing. Intercept a fist with your forehead and the fist loses badly.
In order prevent broken knuckles one should do push-ups on their fists and use concrete walls as punching bags (carefully).
how are you breaking a hand with your head? Does that mean punching can break your hand too??? Dear Lord Beerus...
Yap. That's a real thing. Intercept a fist with your forehead and the fist loses badly.
In order prevent broken knuckles one should do push-ups on their fists and use concrete walls as punching bags (carefully).
With the forehead?? That is not a thing, an elbow or knee ok. That is like saying punching the chin is a bad idea.
simified was saying:
zero logic was saying: ...
how are you breaking a hand with your head? Does that mean punching can break your hand too??? Dear Lord Beerus...
Yes. Your skull is one of the hardest to break bones in your body, the round shape gives it it's durability.
how are you breaking a hand with your head? Does that mean punching can break your hand too??? Dear Lord Beerus...
Yes. Your skull is one of the hardest to break bones in your body, the round shape gives it it's durability.
You don't have to break the skull. You are hitting it. The jaw has the same density and yet you dont see anyone writing breaking your hand from punching someone in the face.
Even as far as anime goes, isn't it a popular move to hit the top of the skull with two hands in an axe like move? Did we ever see someone breaking his hand from that move?
zero logic
November 5th 2023
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how are you breaking a hand with your head? Does that mean punching can break your hand too??? Dear Lord Beerus... 10 Replie(s)
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how are you breaking a hand with your head? Does that mean punching can break your hand too??? Dear Lord Beerus... 10 Replie(s)
zero logic
November 3rd 2023
Nice! This might not mean much considering Gohan fought Bra with one hand (Makkankosanpo from Cell) but still light years of advance compared to last pages
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zero logic
November 2nd 2023
Kalenz was saying:
It's still going?
In circles, but it is going.
I guess we are close to the end of chapter. Wonder if they are gonna leave with a cliffhanger for another 3 months or is it going to be close to an end. We'll see on Sunday?
zero logic
October 31st 2023
ZenBuu was saying:
Interesting, do you pay Salagir and the DBM team to read this here? It's actually the contrary, we should be happy that Salagir shares his story here. And no, you don't have every right to demand stuff here. Did you even read my whole comment? You are actually kinda contradicting yourself there lol
Interesting, do you pay Salagir and the DBM team to read this here? It's actually the contrary, we should be happy that Salagir shares his story here. And no, you don't have every right to demand stuff here. Did you even read my whole comment? You are actually kinda contradicting yourself there lol
"It is actually the contrary" Can you explain this? Sounds like you are not even implying, but stating that we get paid by DBM to read DBM...
Also, readers do indirectly pay Salagir and other staff. It is called ads. You may have heard about Youtube. No one is "paying" anyone to watch their videos, and yet they may receive ad revenue if there are a lot of viewers. Not super complicated 2 Replie(s)
zero logic
October 30th 2023
Surprisingly, the best page of this chapter so far has been the Pan's reaction one. I wish we had others' reaction, especially the way many other fights have been. After like 2-3 pages we would get someone in the audience making comments about the fight. Besides Pan, it has only been Bra saying "they could do that too!". Not exactly super insightful or interesting.
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zero logic
October 29th 2023
MrPerson0 was saying:
Guess we'll keep on getting these clashes for a few more pages...
It takes away narrative work, which means more pages for less. "Just have them exchange the same punch, kick etc for 6 pages then we end the chapter"
zero logic
October 19th 2023
For those arguing about Goku/Vegeta H2H...
Roshi/Goku is 1:0 just sayin lol
Keep the mental gymnastics going tho
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Roshi/Goku is 1:0 just sayin lol
Keep the mental gymnastics going tho
zero logic
October 18th 2023
jak was saying:
Xeno was saying: Oh, it's Bra's technique!
No, it's not. Even Salza used that technique before Vegito did.
No, it's not. Even Salza used that technique before Vegito did.
And in DBM, when Salza used it against Krillin's Kienzan, Salza got his fingers, hand and torso cut off...
If folks wanna jump and say "b-but Krillin is STRONGER" OK fine but Bra used it in BASE against super ultra King Cold and beat it too. So what is it this time?
Not to mention, Bra also cut through Gohan's "Max Kienzan" right before her rampage. Wonder what the consistency is for this.
zero logic
October 11th 2023
Why are people calling it plot armor? Vegeta was on the ground with a bloody forehead. Getting up and keep fighting toe to toe with the guy who punched him to the ground doesn't count as plot armor? Not to mention Goku has been ahead of him since post Saiyan saga and has never looked back. It makes sense for Goku to one up Vegeta
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zero logic
October 6th 2023
Two panels again yay!!
Maybe they should make this a monthly release, that way we could get the equivalent of two pages of action per month 4 Replie(s)
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Maybe they should make this a monthly release, that way we could get the equivalent of two pages of action per month 4 Replie(s)
zero logic
October 5th 2023
Another two panel page...
Next page is probably a big panel with a zoom in beam. Sunday is probably crowd's reaction. Wednesday is the smoke clearing up and Goku saying something.
So I predict nothing will happen until next Friday. 1 Replie(s)
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Next page is probably a big panel with a zoom in beam. Sunday is probably crowd's reaction. Wednesday is the smoke clearing up and Goku saying something.
So I predict nothing will happen until next Friday. 1 Replie(s)
zero logic
October 5th 2023
SeanPaul2389 was saying:
[quote from="J.I.L" id=241769]I hope Vegeta takes the victory. It'd be a nice surprise & story shake up.
I like how Vegeta has regained his sayain saga boss level of durabillity & resillence.
What shakeup? Goku has lost every one-on-one match he has ever had with Vegeta, even the Saiyan Saga fight was won by his friends Prior to that Vegeta broke very bone in his body before his friend and son arrived. Goku also only ever won a single tournament solo. (if we don't count the anime version of the preliminary matches involving the Trio De Danger and Toppo, even then in the Manga version he lost to Toppo) The universe 6vs7 and the ToP were won because of his allies. Goku losing at or near the would actually be very standard for Tournaments in Dragon Ball.
I like how Vegeta has regained his sayain saga boss level of durabillity & resillence.
What shakeup? Goku has lost every one-on-one match he has ever had with Vegeta, even the Saiyan Saga fight was won by his friends Prior to that Vegeta broke very bone in his body before his friend and son arrived. Goku also only ever won a single tournament solo. (if we don't count the anime version of the preliminary matches involving the Trio De Danger and Toppo, even then in the Manga version he lost to Toppo) The universe 6vs7 and the ToP were won because of his allies. Goku losing at or near the would actually be very standard for Tournaments in Dragon Ball.
I don't know if you are familiar with the term but Vegeta is the jobber of DBZ (you can look it up on google too). Recoome, Frieza, 18, Cell, Buu. Vegeta jobbed against all these. This is just DBZ without movies lol. Include DBS and Hit mopped the floor with Vegeta 1 Replie(s)
zero logic
October 1st 2023
The writing keeps one upping itself every week lmao. Good thing we get more than 2 panels per page... oh wait
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