Note that Old Kai etc are Universe 9, and Raditz is from Universe 13... U10 is the one with the primitive Saiyans and Namekians, all of who have apparently left.

Unless they're doing the Raditz thing in there, I forgot.

My guess is this will be the start of a new plan to eat people and send out doppelgangers, since presumably he can do what he did with Janemba with whoever he consumes. Bra will be first to go since she's off-guard and is literally the fly walking into the web. She'll go out and lure others in and so on. He'll hold the tournament hostage until he can get the wish from the winner DB's, which I guess will be broken be the non-XXI people do delay the plan until they can figure something out.

I would guess his plan was to eat Gast and use him against Goku.

That failed, evidently. 1 Replie(s)

If he killed Gast here, then he'll be disqualified. He consumed Gast after he forfeited.

I think Gast will lose, but he'll get out alive, after XXI reveals something revealing about his plan.

That way he can warn Goku of the danger, and potentially come up with a plan. As it is, there isn't much Goku can do... 1 Replie(s)

I would guess in this case they'd consider the smoke part of XXI.... but Gast now has 30 seconds to show himself. But I think that will be the plan. Engulf a weakened Gast in his smoke, then just keep him busy until time's up. I wouldn't be surprised if Gast "wins" the fight, but loses his place in the final. Above all else, XXI is a trickster. 1 Replie(s)

I'm guessing they'll revive I'K'L since he appears to know who XXI is.

XXI is going to be an evil Dragon, isn't he?

I wonder if Gero having a naughty list on Christmas day was coincidence.

Told you, he's doing exactly what Piccolo did.

Who says they're stronger than 17/18? Maybe every Android after 19 is just around that strength. This is a world where Gero has no one to oppose him (yet).

If Goku is defeated, then Gero's goal would be to rebuild the RR Army, which is probably why he's now over 10 models ahead. He's proven he can build a strong, reliable Android with 19 so the next step would be an army of that model with some upgrades here and there.

Remember Piccolo, guys.

He has another evil being?

One of the evil Shenrons? Ozotto?

I wonder if he'll become the Onii kid 1 Replie(s)

I'm sure he'll be able to take Janemba out here (He's literally put a black hole inside him), but XXI did say he hadn't prepared an "instant" attack. He's had a lot of time now...

Just for reference, despite "3" being "3rd", we say "13" as "13th".

English is weird lol. 2 Replie(s)

Perhaps I'm being a little harsh and undermining Janemba's power here, but Gast is kind of sucking in this fight. I put him more somewhere between base and SSJ Vegetto than just high-tier regular SSJ3. 1 Replie(s)

Janemba... cutting him up won't work you fool 1 Replie(s)

I think Gast is indeed holding back, but I think it's more to keep XXI in the dark as much as possible.

He knows XXI is somehow getting exactly what he needs to defeat his opponents, so he's probably not using anything beyond what XXI witnessed him use prior so he likely wont gain anything that can take on his full power, only the power he knows of.

I don't think this will work though, Janemba will probably draw out Gasts full power and get destroyed, but doing so will activate something else that can take Gast 100% out. This'll probably reveal XXI's overall plan that he's using some sort of eternal dragon (the only being that could know how strong Gast truly is even if he hides it) to wish for his victories, and XXI will be outed as the main antagonist to everyone.

Gast's probably holding back to put XXI into a false sense of security.

Is Gast even that strong?
Back in the special chapter he beat Cold (About Android 16-ish power level) and was clearly exhausted. And yeah he was stated to beat Freeza, Cell and Buu, but we don't really know what form Cell takes in his world, and he would need to be Semi-Cell at least to be a challenge for Gast, but we don't know if he ever got to Perfect. Buu, we know is helpless against him magic so it's irrelevant how strong he is.

Janemba is... I dunno somewhere between Super Buu and Buutenks I would guess (Based on the feats of the Goku/Vegeta that fought him in the movie), and presumably immune to Gasts magic based on this page. It's possible Gast is going to lose quite badly here if he's only mid-Cell level. 1 Replie(s)

He's also Buutenks tier at best. Gast's got this.

Not sure why people seem puzzled by this. We know since pretty early in the comic the old man is a disguise for the true being, who we have seen before, albeit obscured by shadow.

There also appears to be another being in his universe, probably a Dragon because he seems to com from some glowing stuff on the ground, and presumably he's the reason XXI has always been prepared. He wished for the solution to easily beat his foes. This time it's beyond the dragon's power, so he's going in with his true strength, and some sort of knowledge that will allow him to possibly beat Gast. 1 Replie(s)

I'm guessing he's going to have a spell that can de-fuse Gast and will try to strike a deal.

I'm slightly concerned as the chapter has ended, but there is no "on x the main comic will continue" thing.

Surely we're not getting yet another filler chapter.

Where the fuck does this take place Salagir lol

Props to Salagir for standing up for himself.

The only thing I have a bit of confusion about is the continuity. Vegeta and Kakarotto were chilling as if nothing happened in the I'K'L fight, and supposedly they're sending them back to their universe. It literally can't fit unless all this is a what if, more than a flashback.

He wants to create a fighter that can take on XXI, specifically something unexpected because whatever XXI is doing gives him foresight. He picked Raditz because he's essentially turned "good", just wants to end Vegeta's tyranny and look after his brother in peace.

He's basically offering Raditz a means of getting what he wants for his universe, in exchange for defeating XXI.

Well Vegeta's gone here, or at least screwed up to the point he would never casually hang out with Raditz or Kakarotto while the I'K'L thing happens.

Unless Salagir's going to pull some sort of "There's a multiverse of multiverse tournaments" thing that raises the stakes and this is a "flashback" in a split tournament, then this is just a hypothetical situation in Kaioshin's head. I wonder what exactly he'll do with Raditz.

He's assuming this comic is following Super's retcon that non-Kaioshin fusions with the Portara run out of time like the Dance fusions.

Multiverse has been going on way before Super was even conceived. Salagir's going by the information that was given in the Buu Saga - The fusion is permanent.

I mean Kakaditz probably is dicking around, but still you'd think Vegeta would be nothing to him. Raditz was boosted to basically SSJ2 Kakarotto's level, making an ideal fusion.

He should be somewhere between Gohan and SSJ Vegetto at least. It's basically a fusion of two Super Perfect Cell tier fighters.

This is just the Old Kai's train of thought on what not to do.

It can't fit into the timeline, especially if it's a flashback..

I mean if this is a flashback, it can't be canon. Vegeta and Kakarotto were present during I'K'L's thing. There's nowhere this can take place other than after that, but then it wouldn't be a flashback. 1 Replie(s)

Well I guess the whole I'K'L thing is technically in an instant, so I guess that Frozen Kakarot was just mid-telepathic conversation (He's looking bewildered, but he seems to be looking at Vegeta, not I'K'L's speech) and the rest is just running parallel to that. 1 Replie(s)

Kakarotto's SSJ2 is a little bit behind SSJ2 Vegeta, and presumably now so is Raditz. The fusion should work pretty well.

Though I'm not sure how mentally stable the fusion will be.

Who will he fuse with? Kakarot? I can't see a fusion like that being stable at all. Pretty powerful (Could see him maybe being base Vegetto tier at SSJ maybe), sure but Kakarot is insane. Unless they're going with the rivalry boost thing, only with them it's the brotherly bond.

Also Has Salagir forgot Oozaru? If he's sub-SSJ2 Vegeta tier, his Oozaru would wipe the floor with Vegeta. 1 Replie(s)

My prediction is 17 blows him up before he hits the finish line, and claiming to be the winner. Trunks and Bulma escape.

Going by Yamcha's expressions, the gap isn't that big. Enough, but I'd guess opposite ends of the Semi-Cell ball park.

Clearly this is going to lead to the Bardock line.Who knows what will happen from there, but I would guess I'K'L is talked out of doing what he's doing, leaving all but Vegetto fine.

I'd guess around Semi-Cell level. I'K'L seems to be not far behind (Though presumably very fast based on this panel) if we assume the Bardock vision Yamcha is going to say his line here.

That'd be my guess, I'K'L next page will probably hit Yamncha square-on, but it won't do much, Yamcha will probably note how fast I'K'L is faster than him, but can't hurt him, leading to the "strongest of all universes" line. He'll probably talk I'K'L out of his mission from there, since that seems to be this Yamcha's thing.

Like clockwork...

Anyway, RIP Toriyama.

Yamcha's a hard one to place, all we really know is he's considerably stronger than Android 18, who is a lot weaker than we know her due to wear and tear over time. I presume they are setting him up to be the only one that can defeat I'K'L at this point, making him the "strongest of all universes".

It's probably safe to assume Yamcha is well above 16, since Salagir has probably considered the difference between normal humans and a Ki using martial arts master becoming an infinite energy model Android. The villains I recall them facing are Saiyans, Cooler, and maybe Babidi/Dabura (Krillin said demons and I doubt Buu was revived, and we know Kaioshin was involved, probably later on since Videl had the Z Sword). On that basis, he might not be far behind Perfect Cell (Dabura in DBM is confirmed that level), but I would guess he's weaker than that, and the Z Sword had some sort of magic that could harm Dabura.

My guess is the conflict here might be that Yamcha won't kill I'K'L as it's his nature to redeem people, but the time stop can't be reversed unless I'K'L wills it, or is killed, leading to Yamcha having to convince him to ignore his programming and give them a chance. Vegetto will be the only person killed by this, which will piss him off massively.

Well 17 and 18 aren't doing shit. It's really dependent on how strong Yamcha is. I'K'L is likely somewhere between 16 and Semi-Perfect Cell based on what we've seen (Maybe stronger, as he is probably holding back).

I'd assume he is stronger, since Bulma probably enhanced him. 2 Replie(s)

It might turn out 17 and 18 are unaffected too. We don't know yet. Yamcha probably stronger than Semi Perfect Cell though, so might be able to beat IKL 1 Replie(s)

I mean it's hard to say how strong I'K'L actually is. His hit on 16 seemed half-assed. I would guess between Imperfect and Semi-Cell (closer to the latter) and his time stop ability effects physics so basically he can hit at infinite speed, destroying any lifeform with ease.

I'm still guessing this is a sort of serious-ish gag, where Yamcha of all people will stop the guy with the mega broken ability as it'll turn out he's fully mechanical like 16 and stronger than Semi-cell level, making him the "strongest in the multiverse" at that point, and it'll affect the plot by pissing off Vegetto even more.

I assume he'll take out 16, 17 and 18, but then Yamcha will show up. No idea how powerful he is but I would assume I'K'L is at least Semi-Cell tier, and Yamcha is probably above that. 1 Replie(s)

I'K'L doesn't seem worried.

I'm guessing this will be where the Yamcha of Bardocks vision saves the day.

It would actually be pretty funny if he just erases everything Zeno style and the comic ends.

This is either going to be a gag or a new arc.

The pregnancy was a running gag, but we don't really know if IKL was (or still is) a gag. I guess we'll find out in a page or three.

The chapter refers to him as a guardian, which isn't always good, but he probably is. What exactly he's a guardian of, and how he fits into DB lore is a mystery. 1 Replie(s)

Did the mother always have a tail? 2 Replie(s)

Perhaps he eats souls

Isn't I'K'L already disqualified?

I wonder if they'll do something that gets him back in. 2 Replie(s)

I'm half expecting a gag, but I hope it's a serious arc. 1 Replie(s)

Durable fellows, those Frost Demons. 1 Replie(s)

Daddy's not going to be happy.

If I were to guess the structure of this, Polar will beat down Bido, Bojack will beat down Polar, Dad will come in and he and Polar will transform, Bojack Transforms and defeats both. 1 Replie(s)

He's probably going to use Instant Transmission.

Krillin you fool, she'd have probably took off her panties.

Vegeta can use Instant Transmission too, why doesn't he? 1 Replie(s)

Just screw already, yeesh.

It get it, they wanted to show how fast they were moving, but I wish they left the winner unknown until this flashback was done...

It's probably safe to assume whatever these forms are, they're probably above Gohan, and probably even base Vegetto going by his reaction.


Gogeta would wipe the floor with him lol. Hope that happens.

I get they wanted to show the speed of this new powerup, but it will be a cop out if after all this time all we get to see is that. Hopefully there will be some sort of flashback or replay...

Also I would guess they're at least on par with Base Vegetto from his reaction.

If I were to guess, this is the end of the fight, Goku being the victor. The whole thing happened in an instant.

We'll probably get a slow-mo replay following this.

I think he just essentially confirmed it was basically Ultra Instinct, just they thought it up and planned it before Super. It seemed like a heads-up of sorts. 1 Replie(s)

I'm guessing they both have SSJ4.

I wonder if Salagir has his own design for it, or it's just the GT one?

Well, I'K'L is either going to be the next powerful thing to cause havoc, or it's a red herring that will amount to nothing.

Either way, Bring on Goku Vs Vegeta. Interested to see what Salagir has in mind for them.

I'm interested to know what Vegeta has to combat SSJ3, and Goku for that matter. 1 Replie(s)

IKL is the key to all of this, mark my words. 1 Replie(s)

This does create an interesting drama scenario though, assuming Salagir is assuming Trunks makes a new timeline travelling each way.

The reason they "won" would be literally be because he abandoned that timeline as its last line of defense by going off to U7 to warn them and give the medicine. I mean technically he did this twice, so there should be two Android universes of his creation out there.

Edit - Though I do keep forgetting the amount of time that passed in relation to the timelines. Would Cell have shown up timeline-wise in Androids 17/18's universe? Has Salagir said what happened in that regard? 1 Replie(s)

Uh, because Goku died of the Heart Virus, leading you to go back in time to warn Goku about this exact universe?

It's the universe/timeline you left behind, dude. 1 Replie(s)

He can't go SSJ3 yet, but he can go SSJ2, and is way stronger than 17/18.

I appreciate your optimism, 16, but I'm pretty sure Kakarot is much stronger than you. 2 Replie(s)

I mean yeah I get the idea of having alternate how they got to the tournament stories for each universe.

But what is the point of this one? Trunks continuing to look around disapprovingly and maybe argue with a couple of them. We know nothing comes of it.

Damn Dabura got shafted by Salagir's headcanon. 1 Replie(s)

17/18: hey 1 Replie(s)

The Vargas have a no-nudity rule.

Trunks better prepare himself. 3 Replie(s)

Well I'm guessing there will be some sort of conflict here. It's supposed to be 2 chapters.

Maybe Trunks out of Paranoia attacks the Vargas, and they have someone that can take Trunks on.

Or I guess (Not sure where in the timeline this is) if they're attracting warriors, they might attract Babidi/Dabura since they have people they can steal energy from, leading to Trunks vs Dabura. 3 Replie(s)

I'm guessing the main foe here will be Dabura, who DBM has established is only suppressed Perfect Cell (The one Goku fought) level.

Trunks should be able to get to FPSSJ level, but it'll be a tough fight. 1 Replie(s)

Trunk's wig is falling off. This bodes well...

I'm no eternal dragon, but my advice would be play to his wish. Get the ability to split him if he consents (I presume this is within the dragons power, it probably isn't anything too complex if he can teach Babidi's spell), and basically offer it to him, and lie that you'll do his agreed wishes if he forfeits.

Doubt it'd work, but that's all I could see possibly being an option. Failing that, better hope you actually are stronger than Gast, XXI.

So is XXI really big or is the dragon really small?

I take it the chapter is ending early.

So she quit because she doesn't think she can take XXI. Fair enough I guess.

I guess Gast is the best bet to take him on, though I would imagine XXI's strategy will be to play to his emotions rather than by force since Gast can probably repel it, and offer to grant him his wish during the fight (Split him into individual Namekians again). Whether Gast buys into that or not will probably depend on if he trusts XXI's overall motives or not. 2 Replie(s)

Odd choice. I feel she could have won if she just kept going. In the end she's stronger, and would wear Gast out. She could have still made her other wish for Gast.

Eh, I'm guessing she'll just tackle him now with brute force without thinking and hope for the best. My guess is she'll overwhelm him since she is indeed stronger and it'll turn out she was just overthinking it all along.

The translations can be a bit dodgy at times, but I would guess the "Gosh darnit" would imply he's acting it out to bait her. 1 Replie(s)

This is very Issue 1 TMNT comic, but less gory.

Bra won't lose. Salagir brought her into this and wants her to be a MC, whether we like it or not.

This'll just be some sort of redemption arc for her where Gast probably "trains" her to control herself, reassures her and either forfeits or loses to her SSJ2. 1 Replie(s)

I mean Gast probably isn't as strong as Bra, especially if she goes SSJ2.

But he is probably the most powerful magic user, other than maybe XXI.

I would guess they'll come to an agreement where he doesn't use magic, and she'll stay SSJ1, maybe with the intent to help her develop control. Bra will probably win in the end. 1 Replie(s)

Sorry for my autism but you forgot the Earrings.

When wet dreams go wrong.

I'll say what everyone is thinking... nice boobs.

I'm guessing it'd be a powered up Kid Buu (Would have to be stronger due to Uub's Kaioken and general combat training). Basically a representation of what he could potentially be, but also what he can rise above. Would probably be the most ideal opponent for his situation.

Getting a bit confused on the times for this... Hit Friday and no new page. I think it was the same Wed.

Is it still Mon/Wed/Fri? 1 Replie(s)

This can't be it for Buu... Sure he might be gone a while, but he'll surely be back. He's been to major a character to be dispatched that suddenly.

Guys this clearly isn't going to work. Buu is just making a point of how powerful he is. Letting them send him back, only to return because he absorbed/learned their tech. The thing with this is he's got access to ALL of the infinite universes. He's now literally omnipotent. 1 Replie(s)

I'm guessing he's teleported to his universe to make a point it doesn't matter if the machine works or not, which is worrying because that means he, a chaotic being with God-like powers has free access to an infinite multiverse. He can literally do anything if that's the case.... he could be in ours (this is the part where something hopefully taps you on he shoulder)