We do not know if Vegeta ever returned to Earth for revenge before the Androids appeared as we know nothing of U7 Vegeta's story beyond several months after escaping Gast where he killed the Ginyu force single-handedly after achieving SSJ.

No way it is Goten, he is way too old even if he was born years earlier well unless he stayed in the hyperbolic time chamber for like a decade but think they can only do 2 years max originally. This has to be Gohan and it looks like he has SSJ? Would make sense why Gast was saying Bulma was lying about something which would be Gohan's death as he could sense his ki.

This whole possible tale of U20 is more a less a version of what if Broly survived his second encounter and the rest of the dragon team having brain damage.

1) Most likely outcome, Broly survives the soul punisher attack somehow and obliterates reality.... He was literally knocked out by ssj3 Vegito and this version is still at absolute best ssj Vegito level, there is no way that ssj3 Gogeta could not do the same to a much weaker Broly, a ssj3 Gogeta who is made up of a far more powerful Vegeta and Goku...
2) Broly is alive but knocked out so they encase him in ice and throw him into space where hopefully he will not awaken until some retarded birds decide to recruit him for a multiverse tournament...
3) The damage from Gogeta and Broly's fight is too much and reality falls apart leaving only Broly for some reason

This whole what if makes no god damn sense. The entire dragon team fought him 3 separate times and still did not note the whole cannot be damaged aspect. Use magic or any of those cursed techniques you have encountered in the past. Hell, use the dragon balls to revert him back to his base form in quickly kill him like what U13 Vegeta did in the tournament.

If this is supposedly what happened in U20 then we know Broly somehow survives this, perhaps just in a block of ice in the void of space where the Vargas find him? Hopefully when he is sent back by the Vargas after his fight with Vegito he returns to this ice prison where he can die of old age or something. Be the only good thing about this mini-comic honestly due to how terribly it is written.

If this is the case this is one hell of a bad ending to this timeline for Goku and Vegeta but at least the universe is safe from utter annihilation... I mean everyone else who fought Broly has ceased to exist, Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Piccolo, Uub, Buu are all gone forever. I do not even think the dragon balls can undo something like this.

Wonder if Cell regrets killing off everyone in his universe seeing how powerful they became in other universes as there are no other foes that could match him after that until DBM.

Cell used Gohan to get another Zenkai Boost to hopefully get strong enough to deal with Mary Sue but it was invain. Well sure half of it was to get a rematch with Gohan but he did help a bit and held up the best against her so I can see him being considered for the reward. 1 Replie(s)

Still think Vegito deserves a trophy for his battle with Broly, be greatest power/traditional fight trophy or something

It looks like Raditz just left Earth with Gohan. No idea how much time has passed but perhaps the Earthings will look into Kami's origins and with Mr. Popo's help figure out Kami is an alien. Not sure how they could find Namek without King Kai, maybe ask around? Looks like multiple years have passed based off of Gohan's age there.

God damn it, time for the author's waifu to do something utterly retarded/evil again because she can do no wrong. 2 Replie(s)

Wonder if they even learned of the dragon balls... If not maybe they will not attack Earth right away as it does not intrest them. Gohan does look a bit older here.

Hope Goku and Piccolo are not just written out of the story and are training in otherworld. Maybe King Kai tells Goku of Namek and the Earthlings are planning to head there to revive them?

I swear to Kami if Bra goes to XXI and asks to make a deal to use one of the wishes and it is to consume her so he could use her as his avatar in this upcoming battle... Knowing how the authors are about their waifu I doubt Goku will be able to win then because plot armor.

It is quite questionable yes, but here is what I think the authors are going for here.

Vegito was overconfident and instead of immediately attacking XXI, XXI had enough time to send him to another realm outlasting the timer.
Zen Buu had a major weakness which was Babidi's sealing spell which XXI exploited outlasting the timer.
Gast relied too much on his magic, thus Janemba was used to remove his magic temporarily and beat him down so XXI could finish the job.

Goku does not have such a weakness. Normal SSJ/SSJ0 I do not think has a major weakness other than taking a moment to activate. I think XXI was looking to take Gast's strength drain/de-transformation spell to beat Goku. Honestly though, I do not think this would work on Goku as the spell seals the user from outputting ki, ssj0 does not do that it literally keeps all the ki in like mastered ssjb in the manga but also allows the user access to the powers of ssj without transforming. When in that state Goku and Vegeta did not output any ki and those there had to view it by just looking instead of sensing ki.

If it came down to a physical fight, I do not think XXI is weak but is not SSJ3 Vegito level or anything. He managed to obliterate Zen Buu when he was traveling through the apartments which is likely because it was only a small part of him and was not expecting it. He could be as powerful as base/SSJ Vegito level or weaker than Android 18 but this was likely said to throw his opponents off. 2 Replie(s)

They left after not finding any good food long before this.

Damn, Gast is not looking too good there...

Think XXI was hoping to eat Gast to gain his abilities but since he was unable to digest him fully and only got 10%, his plan to try and use that techique to nuke Goku's strength is out(not sure if it would even work on ssj0).

Also considering Nappa almost got Frieza disqualified by trying to get him to attack him after he forfeited.. Could see him getting disqualified... 1 Replie(s)

"All power output", from what I understand about ssj0 they do not output any power which made it difficult for the spectators who use ki to watch their movement at first as they were not expecting it and had then had to just use their eyes; very similar how God Ki works in Super but I know it was written long before super was made. We do not know if XXI can do that technique as well but there has to be some limitation to it 1 Replie(s)

Well if he did anything to Gast after he forfeited that would of been against the rules and he would be disqualified.
I swear to Kami if they make Gast into the badguy here for this, he was literally about to be eaten alive by some entity that consumed his entire universe. Gast concluded that he could not win, it is up to Goku now.


Now I think Goku has a much better chance than others think here. Goku has seen what XXI can do and knows that he can send him to another realm like what happened to Vegito to outlast the timer and instead of being cocky like Vegito would attack him immediately and not let him pull that off or power through it. Another thing to note is I do not think that Gast's de-transformation/strength drain ability would work on Goku as Goku in ssj0 is not in a transformation truly just his base form with access to the power of the ssj forms - mastery of one's self. It would be interesting if Goku had something else up his sleeve like a new technique he was thinking of trying out similar to the soul punisher Gogeta has or using kaioken on top of ssj0 or maybe something entirely new. Goku is far more powerful than Gast in terms of raw power, Gast was having issues with U13 SSJ3 Ghost Vegeta after all who was stated by Nappa to be weaker than Full Power U18 SSJ2 Vegeta. Hard to say where Janemba ranked here, assuming he was about the same in power to in Fusion Reborn but the magic that he copied from Zen Buu is what saved him. While I think it will be a struggle for Goku I can see him finding a way to beat him. 1 Replie(s)

There is probably a limit to how much energy and matter at a time he could absorb considering Zen Buu obliterated his physical form.

Either Raditz is going to take Gohan with him as a subsitute for Goku, Raditz kills Gohan, or Gohan goes into a rage and incinerates Raditz.

So I am assuming Goku and Piccolo are going to be killed. Gohan is a most likely as well unless Raditz decides to "adopt" Gohan and mold him into Goku's replacement or maybe Raditz is more injured from Gohan's attack that he will flee after this. If Raditz kills all of them and just leaves, maybe the Earthlings could do something? If he kills all sentient life before living then it would just be a story of Vegeta, Nappa, and Raditz being enslaved by Frieza. It was the fight with Goku on Earth but more the dragon balls that gave Vegeta the hope of overthrowing Frieza.

Is this basically a what if Raditz turns good? If it is a story about just Raditz, Nappa, and Vegeta it would not really go on for long. 2 Replie(s)

a- Gast obliterates Gero's lesser androids so he is forced to release an improved android 17 and 18.

b- Same as in a) but Gast easily defeats 17 and 18. Gast then releases a completed 16.

c - Same as in b) but Gero releases a protype Android Gohan which he does not have exact control of.

d- Same as in b) but Gero releases Cell which he has been improving upon for the last 5 years which absorbs androids 17 and 18 and gives Gast a bit of an actual fight.

Perhaps the lie is that they do not know if Gohan is dead and that they just know the androids went to kill Goku but could not find him when they tried to find him and assumed the worse.

Plot Twist: Gohan is somehow this universe's Cell

If Gohan is not alive as a cyborg or we do not see this different version of Cell this "special" told us nothing we did not already know and was a waste of time 1 Replie(s)

My guess here is Gast was faking being out from the energy drain to try and get more information about them

Krillin only knew Gast for brief period of time but still is willing to sacrifice himself in order to save him. Perhaps Gast will unlock Krillin's potential as a reward if he still has this ability.

Really depends how things turned out here. This is 10 years after Gast defeated the Cold Family.

Krillin would have to be weaker than his main timeline counterpart by this point as he would of never gotten his potential unlocked by Guru(Maybe Gast still has this ability) and the lack of fights he would of endured on Namek and his training for the androids would of not been as intense especially if they are able to sense energy and track everyone down.

If Krillin managed to do any kind of training since he went back home from Namek then he has to be able to be stronger than Frieza's lesser forms as seen in the Cell arc. We do not even know if they just went back home or if Goku did not decide to head out and explore a bit to see if there is any chance of there existing of something different that could revive everyone.

Possibly Krillin was taught the kaioken and such since the only ones left were Goku, Gohan, and Krillin. He did mention he wanted to learn it when Goku first showed it off.

Krillin may blindsight the android attacking Gast and save him.

Previously someone stated that possibly Vegeta destroyed Earth or during his battle with Goku they destroyed each other and/or the and the Androids were activated prematurely in order to stop him then they killed everyone.

If the authors actually thought a bit more into these alternate universes I would say it could of been a likely outcome. But considering how terrible some of these universes were written like all the future timelines, U16, and the second half of U8 likely we will learn nothing new. Gast simply encountered the androids and/or cell which killed everyone which we already knew since like 2009. I have high hopes but low expectations....

Agree with you there. Knowing how the authors handles the alternate universes other than Universe 3, I am like 99% sure that everyone we know is dead. It would be very interesting to an alternate future Gohan but he was not with Gast at the tournament so if he did somehow survive then he would of had to not of wanted to go to the tournament for some reason. But this has never happened so wishful thinking.

Age 772... The androids appeared in Age 767 so likely everyone is very dead. Without ssj there is no way Goku would of been able to fend off Android 19 and 20. There is a slim possibility that Gohan has survived similar to in the future timelines and may of discovered the ssj transformation in a similar manner. If there was any time travel with this universe's Cell then there is no shot they survived. The title page did not look like the world was in ruins so I do not think Cell is up and about yet or maybe due to the lack of Frieza's DNA he we completed far earlier? 1 Replie(s)

Think others are correct on why Gast went to Earth. Perhaps he is wishing to separate his good and evil half like the Nameless Namekian did so one of the halves so possibly create dragon balls or offspring. Issue is Gast is pure good and you need some kinda evil within oneself to do that. The nameless namekian spent decades in isolation waiting for his family to get him which would never come. In that time he witnessed wars and the evil of humans which corrupted him.

Hope Goku is still around at this point. Be stupid for him not to be as so much has changed. Gohan and Krillin should be at minimum and by the title page Earth seems to be in good condition so Vegeta has not paid them a visit yet and the androids are likely not awakened quite yet. I doubt they would be any stronger than their Namek counterparts and no ssj as they did not have to deal with all the insane battles like in the main timeline. Perhaps the Vargas did not take Goku and such since they only detected Gast as he would be way beyond goku if he never discovered ssj.

You won the battle Gast but lost the war. My guess is XXI is going to use a similar move that Buu used since it took time for him to set the trap up.

I would also call Uub to join Buu as if he joins Buu he would be technically be complete again

Considering Frieza and Cold never went to Earth in Universe 7 as Gast killed them as well as Cooler for that matter rather quickly during age 762 if I remember correctly, if there is a Cell in his universe he will likely be quite a bit different in appearance. I would assume that his power would be weaker as well. King Cold in his final form was stated to be around Android 17-18 strength but he could be a bit weaker as the Cold we saw was Ginyu-Cold who trained his body for 30+ years. Gast seemed to have to try somewhat against Cold in the last special so I think he would be around Imperfect Cell level at this time.

Gast looks to be encountering a different version of Android 19 and 20 could it be that Goku via King Kai sent an SOS to him in hopes he can help? In this universe Gohan, Krillin, and Goku are the only ones left as the rest were killed by Nappa and Vegeta is off pushing his ssj form to rival Gast; no idea if he returned to Earth or not. Not to mention that Krillin and Gohan never got their potential unlocked by Guru nor did Goku discover SSJ as far as we are aware of and the lack of the battles they all had on Namek. Even if Goku has pushed himself to be able to use Kaioken x20 he did not have all the training the main timeline would of had. No idea if Goku would of contracted the Heart Virus either as so much as changed.

Gast is selfless and will an always wants to purge evil so I can see him stopping by to assist Gohan, Krillin, and Goku if he is alive against the androids as I do not see them traveling off world. Maybe we will see a Goku and Gast team up or more likely a trio of Gohan, Gast and Krillin. 1 Replie(s)

Is Gast attempting to seal Janemba or is he doing something to disrupt his teleporting ability?

Side note, I hope the next special delves deeper into the story of Universe 7 as would like to see what SSJ Vegeta did in his universe once he acquired the ssj form or if anyone on Earth managed to survive the androids/cell or hell a ssj Vegeta paying them a visit as only Goku, Bulma, Gohan, and Krillin are left and are vastly under-powered compared to the original timeline.

Still unsure of how powerful Gast is without his magic... Looks like here he is going to try and one shot Janemba. My guess is XXI will use the trap that Zen Buu used on him before as he just needs time to cast it after Gast beats Janemba which is what I think will happen.

Would not be surprised if knows some sort of technique like the kaioken considering what we saw in his special. He could of learned it at that library of Cold's or the Goku of his universe could of taught it to him. Not really sure what happened to Goku, Gohan, and Krillin in his universe though. Everyone else is dead as there are no dragon balls. I am assuming either SSJ Vegeta killed them all or more likely the androids did as it was stated Gast beat Cell and Buu in his universe.

Looks like Gast is going to have to win this fight with his raw power alone...

Gast's first real challenge in a fight since his creation... Still see him beating Janemba but loosing to XXI in the end.

Considering when he first saw Ultimate Gohan he seemed quite surprised, not as surprised as Cell but still surprised I think he is about Buu Saga ssj3 Gotenks - Ultimate Gohan in terms of raw power maybe a bit less as he was taking damage from U13 SSJ3 Vegeta. We cannot really scale Janemba here as we do not know if he is same in terms of power we saw in the movie, characters like Lord Slug and Broly are vastly different in terms of their power compared to their movie counterparts. We do know that Gast likes to try and challenge himself as I do not think he had any real threats in his universe but I do not think he is holding back here as XXI is a significant threat compared to Rachi. I mean it is stated that he beat Cell and Buu in his universe; assuming it was Fat Buu he dealt with and he would be above SSJ3 U13 Vegeta or at least on par with him.

Wow would of never guessed this is what would of happened, I mean it has only happened 3 times before...

Gast is plotting something here, my guess is to attack XXI again but it would only obliterate XXI's physical form. Not sure how they could deal with his real form.

Really think Gast will beat Janemba but loose to some XXI trickery in the end

Broly's greatest feat is his ability to make everyone he fights be brain-dead clearly. You have fought this guy 3 times yet you have failed to remember that he is invincible while in the legendary ssj state... What plan do you have here? It has been over a year of preparation...

I think that Gast will find a way to beat Janemba but XXI is preparing his real trump card which will take him a moment to lock on as Gast is immune to like all magic. XXI will defuse him into all his components giving him his wish and either obliterating them or they all forfeit.

Alright so I just read through this so it is basically an extended version of U20 how Broly became trapped in the ice we see at the beginning of multiverse.

I find it awesome that this literally the entire dragon ball universe VS Broly; kinda of like how it was all of Marvel vs Thanos with the infinity gauntlet in the original comic.


Got some questions here, this Broly is about SSJ Vegito levels of power since he was getting pushed back by SSJ Vegito in the tournament for a bit. While throwing him into a black hole did not work, what exactly is the plan here? To deal enough mental damage so he falls out of the LSSJ form so he can be killed as clearly physical damage is not working?

Possible other ways to actually beat him
— Have Buu turn him into a cookie(Well considering Vegito and how well that worked it this is not gonna work)
— Use the Evil Containment Wave to seal him somehow(Guess this may not work since he could just break out? Never been stated if this is possible with it...)
— Have Buu absorb everyone again to become Beta Zen Buu to knock him around enough act upon the plan Goku has?
— Use the fusion dance to merge into Gogeta or Gokhan or something to deal with him so he does not one shot everyone so he can be knocked out.
— Use the devilmite beam that could cause him to explode?



I mean if Broly is hit with an attack that is significantly more powerful than him rather than killing him it deals enough mental damage to knock him out? I mean this could be the plan if they were gonna go Beta Zen Buu or Gogeta...

Come on Bra, let Gast cook. He has to deal with this SSJ3+ demon while keeping an eye on XXI to make sure he does not try pulling some trick while he is distracted.

Not sure how powerful Janemba is in DBM but is easily SSJ3+ and could be far beyond it. XXI using Janemba in battle here to me puts a hint into what exactly XXI is. Perhaps like what happened in the Fusion Reborn Movie XXI is what Janemba could of evolved into later on if the kais and other warriors failed to stop him in Otherworld? I mean the timeline diverges far before the events of the main series, hell even Old Kai is aware of him meaning he predates Buu so he likely existed in all universes in the tournament at some point and was stopped before his creation like what happened to Buu in Universe 1 and 10. Maybe he is a literal incarnation of evil that got loose in hell and spread to his entire universe, would explain the smoke and why he keeps talking to "himself".




Imao, like the profile picture.

Wonder if this version of Janemba has even stronger magical abilities compared to the original. Maybe he could actually cancel out much of Gast's hax forcing a more traditional fight. I think Gast will beat Janemba forcing XXI to defuse him but I not sure why he would not of started with that if he can.

Was not expecting Janemba to show up, interesting...

Well we know XXI is some kinda entity that was likely dealt with by the ancient Kais possibly with some help long before the events of the main story in most universes even before Buu's creation as the Elder Kai is well aware of him. From what Elder Kai said it is quite clear he is basically some entity that consumed his universe or took control of it and now likely wants to do this to the multiverse.

We do not know what his power scales to but he was able to deal with the gravity in the ring but it could be some magical ability he has to ignore gravity also he obliterated that small bit of Zen Buu a 1000 some pages ago. His magical abilities seem unmatched though from what we have seen as even Zen Buu seemed quite concerned during their fight and when he tried to sneak up on him in the corridors. He is also quite aware of beings like Gast and Vegito yet he is not seem to pay them any mind and is debating with himself or to whatever entity he is speaking to most of the time. My question is what exactly does he want with the dragon balls? I mean if his magic is beyond that of Zen Buu who has the abilities of them to some extent then why bother with them?

My best guess is he will simply defuse Gast into the 100 some Namekains he was made up of giving Gast his wish and allowing him to return home which is why Vegito had not been dealt with in the future vision. What is strange though is how he knows every one of his opponents' weaknesses?

Well guess that was all a hypothetical situation... Think it should of ended a bit sooner but it was somewhat interesting. I am happy that the U13 team is not gone and will hopefully stick around for main fight again XXI.

I feel there has been some character development from them seeing how powerful their counterparts are in U18 compared to them; mainly for Kakarot. I am not sure if they faced any real threats other than Freeza and his family. U13 Vegeta only got up to SSJ2 so maybe he figured it out in his fight against King Cold when the Sayians overthrew the Freeza empire? They clearly did not encounter the Androids or Cell as Kakarot killed everyone on Earth before Raditz picked him up. Earth is still there just no intelligent life is left on it, so Majin Buu is likely still sealed away. Still not sure why Babidi had not made himself known in U13 as it is almost another 20 years after the original saga would of began. Maybe that is the threat they will have to deal when they return? They also did not recognize Broly likely meaning Paragus either never bothered dealing with Vegeta or was killed when he tried to set up his trap leaving Broly on that world where the comet killed Broly as I do not think he knew of his father's plan? Hard to tell...

On another note Kakatiz should of easily beaten SSJ3 Vegeta. Two SSJ kids went from SSJ Namek Goku level to beyond SSJ3 Buu Saga Goku with fusion. Both Kakarot and Raditz are around SSJ2 level yet the fusion is having issues against SSJ3 Vegeta supposedly using Ultimate? Well I guess he was just having fun beating the shit out him and maybe he was not in ultimate but base? Honestly the Elder Kai should just ask Vegito for help here as he is clearly the lesser "evil" here. 1 Replie(s)

If Vegeta was not already injured then this would not be much of a fight but knowing how DBM handles SSJ3 and how the longer the user is in SSJ3 it's power weakens continuously until it burns out Vegeta is weakened to the point that he could be beaten at this point but the duo. Kakarot was majined and got the his shit rocked by Gohan likely leading to a zenkai boost not to mention being immortal and Raditz got the ultimate power up from Elder Kai placing him around U13 SSJ2 Vegeta from what Elder Kai stated. This will likely be a fight where they have to outlast Vegeta's SSJ3 to finish him off, but until that happens it will be a tough fight. No idea what fate waits Nappa though...

Kinda sad that they got sent back as I was hoping they would of stuck around till the end of the tournament where hopefully the tournament would of changed them slightly after seeing U18 and how they evolved but it does look like Raditz and Kakarot did get something from this.

I feel people forget that in DB it requires harmony between the spirit, body, and mind in order to get stronger. In DBM if I remember correctly, the Elder Kai unlocks all the potential of the user could of obtained in their lives by training with his magic at the cost of being unable to get any stronger. Raditz is not gifted in fighting like Vegeta or Goku and does not have anywhere near the potential of Gohan. Him being about SSJ2 level is not a huge leap, by what the Elder Kai says likely not even SSJ2 and probably closer to MSSJ level as he said it is not enough to beat Vegeta, especially with his new transformation likely referring to still being weaker than SSJ2 U13 Vegeta.

Now who will he fuse with? My best guess it will be Kakarot but since it would seem the Elder Kai is likely going to manipulate Raditz into a permanent fusion with someone, it could be someone from U9 like Yamcha who is around that level as well. Anyway it would be kinda poetic as Yamcha is the weakling in the main story and Raditz is the weakling on the Sayian group. Now either fusion will not be as powerful as Vegito as the sum of his parts were far more powerful than both of them.

Plot is moving along now finally. Would like to see more of U9 and how exactly Yamcha became a cyborg in a special. With what is said about XXI, he seems to be magic user with even greater capabilities than Zen Buu. I also wonder if Vegito was actually killed there, he will not be happy when he returns if this is the case. Maybe in the universe with this time stopping being they encountered and stopped a very weakened version of XXI. 1 Replie(s)

I think it would be the most difficult or impossible for Vegito to master that state since he is by far the most fragmented when it comes to body, mind, and soul. Honestly I do not see how it would be possible for any fused being to obtain such a state unless their two halves already obtained it before fusing.

Cell would also probably have a hard time with it due to being such a different life form. From what Cell said it could be interpreted that he actually transforms into a ssj when he powers up.

Pan has a long way to go but seems to be the one who has the best chance of obtaining this state, she just needs to work on unlocking the all ssj forms(not sure if this is necessary though).

Unfortunately knowing how the authors love their waifu, she will be the one obtain it next by getting spanked by daddy Vegito or killing half the audience and then crying about it or some shit.

I think what Vegito said is not exactly translated correctly. I think it is more that Vegito sees now that there is a level beyond ssj3 he can obtain and now he is using Goku and Vegeta as "rivals" to obtain this state but is too prideful to omit that his two halves are better than him in some way. I do not think he is planning to kill them.

At full power I would put True SSJ(No idea what this state is called) Goku and Vegeta comfortably above Ultimate Gohan's level.

This has been the "form" that Goku and Vegeta have been looking to achieve after their last battle in the time chamber.
Considering how True SSJ works they have better control of their energy than anyone else there. The only issue I see them needing to work on is activating this state at will or integrating it directly into their base forms so they are always in this state no matter what.

Vegito's arrogance and overconfidence of his power has blinded them into ignoring the issues of SSJ and not trying to correct them but find ways around them.




You make a great point here about Vegito. This is likely part of why he will go on a rampage or join XXI's side or whatnot. He is the best parts of Goku and Vegeta yet has not accomplished anything past doing what he was made to do initially. 1 Replie(s)

Maybe a real SSJ Kaioken? This new ssj form not sure what it is called but I will call it True SSJ. True SSJ combined with Kaioken could push Goku up to near SSJ Vegito tier if he was at full power. But it is likely that he is struggling more from the strain of trying to hold back the attack from Vegeta here. 1 Replie(s)

This might end in a draw, seeing how it is all playing out.

I still think Vegeta would of trained even though Goku and Gohan permanently fused. He continued to train when there were insane power gaps before as well.

In terms of raw power they are not stronger than Vegito. I do not know what they will be calling this transformation but I will call it Perfected SSJ for now. They stated earlier that this state allows them to have full control of all the power the should have at their disposal the SSJ forms offer, neither Goku or Vegeta have an aura and by what Piccolo said earlier about their breathing is calm and their energy levels lowered to a point he could barley sense them. It could very well be that other tournament fighters simply cannot sense them since no ki is being lost to their surroundings. Even Gohan in ultimate still has an aura and people can sense him. They could be teleporting around constantly which is why no one is really able to just simple see their movements.

For the reason why Vegito, the fusion of the 2 people who did manage to acquire Perfected SSJ; he never had the motivation to do so. He in just SSJ was leagues stronger than anyone in his universe, none of the threats they had faced before would ever be able to touch him. The strongest foe, Buuhan was being bitch slapped by him. He had no one who could keep up with him, in the novel only Gohan could somewhat keep up with him while in his base form. Why would he ever think it was necessary to find a new path of power? Another big part is maybe he did try to find a way to fix the problems with SSJ3 but would of never been able to master his body in the same manner as Goku and Vegeta in the time since he was "born" and the tournament began. I do not think this form would be possible for Vegito since he is a fusion with memories of two lives he never truly lived.

Goku and Vegeta had themselves to motivate each other as well as Gohan. After the Buu saga both Goku and Vegeta were still significantly weaker than Buuhan hell even SSJ3 Gotenks. Knowning there are no doubt threats out there even stronger than Buuhan, they had to find a way to get to a level beyond him. 1 Replie(s)

Considering the amount of ki that is lost as they stated before many times and in the last page by the regular ssj forms and especially ssj3, if they are able to use all of the power the form is suppose to grant them in their base forms they should be way stronger. Now I do not think they would be stronger than Vegito since he is a fusion and all but I can see them being beyond Bra at this point.

Gohan is the only reaction we saw so far so he must be able to see glimpses of the fight which is why he is so surprised that they found a way to surpass him.

Seems Bra is a little fucked up still after killing Gohan twice, getting called weak and proven wrong but the alternate version of herself and the words Pan said to her are still getting to her. Good character development, now get out of here. Easy win for our man Gast.

Nice burn Pan, considering she blew off the heads of the Piccolos earlier. Now all we need is for Gast to eliminate her from the tournament. I swear to kami if she somehow wins this is complete and utter bullshit.

She should of lost her fight with King Cold due to her stupidity of applying a handy cap of not going ssj but the author's waifu cannot loose apparently unless it is against Vegito.
While she may be physically stronger, Gast wins this fight otherwise Bra has more plot armor than I thought.
Gast has insane regenerative abilities and magic that concerned even Zen Buu, bullshit if he does not win this. 1 Replie(s)

This is looking like the first fight Vegito will ever loose without having magic involved.

My best guess from what we have seen so far is that Zen Buu has absorbed so many people across his universe, no doubt even in raw power he surpasses Vegito. The universe is a big place after all.
On the other hand if he is unable to beat him using his power alone, he could easily outsmart Vegito and the rest by using the insane amount of fighting experience he has accumulated from the various fighters over the years.

Zen Buu is clearly the red herring though, XXI from what I saw is going to be the main antagonist of this story.
It has only been like at most, 16 years or so since the end of the Buu Saga I think. Surly that is not enough time for the people Buu absorbed to truly become apart of him like the Kaiosins did, especially those with strong wills. It would be funny if XXI just cut out all those he absorbed since he seems to be able to pretty much anything, he is like the Whis-lite of this continuity.

Interesting, I have not read the DBM novelization so I always thought that the King Piccolo we have been seeing so far was the same one from the original timeline with the bonus of being whole again.
Looks like the King Piccolo we have been seeing is the nameless Namekian that was sent to Earth before separating his good and evil parts. From Dragon ball it was stated he was corrupted by the evil that was on Earth which is why the previous guardian of Earth refused to take in as his successor.

Before Guru realized that the nameless Namekian separated into 2 beings, he assumed the Sayian that killed him had to have been a SSJ.
Guru stated that Piccolo would of easily dealt with the Sayian invasion in the present timeline if he was whole. For this Nameless Namekian to be able to go blow to blow against the Kais with the Majin power-up, he must of been somewhere not too far off in power to the Android 17 or 18 to accomplish this. The kais are all similar in power with exception of the South Kai and Supreme Kai was scared shitless of Dabura so this seems plausible for his power in the Tournament.

Clearly this King Piccolo is not nearly as cruel and evil like the one from DB so I am assuming after dealing with Raditz and the young Sayians, while still ruling over Earth and killing people who annoy him he is doing it to a much lesser extent. Knowing there may be an army coming out to attack the planet with warriors at least as strong as Raditz I can see him continuing to train toward protecting Earth to protect his dominion over the planet.

Cell is at LEAST Ultimate Gohan level at this point even without the majin boost anymore since as far as I am aware of Cell is the only character in DBM that still gets zenkai boosts.

He has gotten quite a few zenakis throughout the tournament so far.
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1 - At the beginning of tournament before his first match he suppressed his power to be equal to how he was at the Cell Games, it was stated in U17 that he killed Bojack soon after he escaped King Kai's planet; he is weaker than the Cell that came back after self-destructing since SSJ2 Gohan was easily able to deal with Bojack while it took the combined efforts of everyone to finally put an end to Super Perfect Cell.
— He stated that Dabura was the strongest being he ever fought in his first match in the tournament so he must of never encountered Babidi in his universe and that he was stronger than he was at the end of the Cell Games thinking whatever feats and power he acquired in the past 3 decades or so.
— After Gohan powered up to max after Pan was killed by Bojack, Cell was very surprised and looked shocked to how powerful Gohan was.
— Before any matches he has to be somewhere beyond SSJ2 level but no where near SSJ3.

2- During his battle with Dabura he kept his power exactly at what it was in the Cell Games which game him a handicap is why it looked like such an even battle and was really just testing his capabilities.

3- His battle with Bojack was an absolute slaughter, Bojack stood no chance in hell against Cell.
SSJ Cell Games Gohan < Full Power Bojack < Dabura < Super Perfect Cell = SSJ2 Cell Games Gohan

4- Cell's battle with Tapion was a tough battle for Cell and looked to be a difficult fight. Tapion's monster is somewhere between SSJ3 and Ultimate Gohan or even greater since in the film he was able to defeat Gohan(maybe it was more toward it's weird smoke ability or Gohan was rusty but it defeated Gohan and it required Goku to use the Dragon Fist on him to finally kill it). Cell more or less outsmarted the beast and used his biology and intelligence to win the battle rather than brute strength, killing Tapion and the Creature.
— Cell is seen after winning this battle with Tapion to be frustrated at his current power level which was how Babidi was able to "control" him.

5- During Babidi's attack he was easily able to deal with everyone except Gohan and was able to go blow to blow with Ultimate Gohan. The U19 warriors were able to cut him into pieces but it took all the power their suits had and it was very dense in order to cut him and he regenerated again giving him another zenkai boost. Even after killing both Videls and enraging Gohan he was incinerated but survived barley. It took a lot out of him. His regeneration could be at Buu's level at this point but it takes alot of stamina for him to regenerate unlike Buu.
— Ultimate Gohan's power is stated to not change since he first got it since it was a magical, divine ritual that drew out all of Gohan hidden potential.
— Majin Cell at this point has to be between SSJ3 - Ultimate Gohan level, probably closer to Gohan's level since he was able to go blow for blow with Gohan.

6- Cell's battle with Majin SSJ2 Bra was heavily in Bra's favor but he was able to hold his own for awhile and blow off her arm with a special beam cannon which was quite the feat considering he was blown to bits by Gohan a few moments earlier. Bra in base could be near Perfect Cell level before his destruction but probably is closer to Super Vegeta level in the Cell saga since Cold's second augmented form was able to completely overpower her in raw strength and with SSJ1 is Base Vegito tier and with SSJ2 far stronger than Gohan.
— Cell after getting the shit kicked out of him by the U19 warriors and Gohan obliterating him was able to somewhat hold his own against Bra without getting one shot, he has to be above Ultimate Gohan's tier at this point since he had to of gotten another zenkai after getting getting killed by Bra or almost dying to her.

Vegeta's SSJ2 is extremely strong and was was stated to go beyond U13 Vegeta's SSJ3 level and a suppressed SSJ3 Goku stated by U13 Nappa during his fight with Kakorot. I wouldn't underestimate Vegeta here after the training he went through in the past 2 or so decades. Vegeta most likely will be weaker than Cell in terms of raw power but if he has a new form that was hinted at in Bardocks's flashbacks or some new technique Cell will have some trouble.

Man, this a lot more creative than just attempting a Gogeta fusion that I was expecting. Really wonder how the fuck they loose here now... Really hope that Broly just survives again but is sent out into the void of space and is encased in ice and the Vargus just decided to take him because of how similar everything else in this universe was to U18.

After all these years of training I expect this Beta Zen Buu to be at least SSJ Vegito Tier, realistically probably closer to SSJ2 Vegito.

We know that Buu can survive in the vacuum of space and that Broly cannot get any stronger than SSJ Vegito Tier since that is what we see him at when he 1st is released from the ice in the tournament. No idea how this is gonna to turn out now... 1 Replie(s)

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Well with the dragon team well knowing Broly slowly gets more and more powerful the longer he is in the LSSJ form in addition to being a mass murdering psychopath on par with Kid Buu in this state that cannot be reasoned with and on top of all this knowing he cannot be defeated by normal means - it would be best to take him out as soon as possible before he gets enraged and pulls a ki doubling boost like he did in the tournament against Vegito.

There are an infinite number of timelines in Dragon Ball Multiverse and the Vargus just happened to chose this one.
Seeing that Broly looks to be at least Ultimate Gohan level everyone is going to have to form some kind of super strategy to stop him.
(Clearly they fail at this)

In my opinion the most interesting universes in DBM are universes 3, 7, and 13 just due to how well done they are put together one simple change had on their whole respective universe. It is not just since Vegeta and Gohan fucked up angling their ki blasts that they all die.
Everyone is going to die clearly but I hope they at least go down with a fight and are not just obliterated when the planet explodes.

This chapter quite possibly may top the feels of chapters 56 and 57. Definitely gonna be a feelsbadman chapter.

Best guess is Gohan is making a beeline for Goku to instant transmission the fuck outta there. Earth looks to be moments away from exploding here. I don't see anyone else surviving Earth's explosion other than Goku, Gohan, Vegeta, and maybe Buu since I do not think they are going to make it in time. Well the title page after all shows only the three with Broly looming over them so maybe no Buu.

In the universe's help section it just says Broly "wins" the third rematch with the Dragon Team, most likely they are all dead since they are not present in the multiverse tournament or the Vargus only detected Broly over everyone else since his power is so much greater than anyone else and just took him for the tournament.

The only way I see them not being able to stop Broly is if they fail to use fusion. Broly seemed to be around the level of SSJ Vegito when he first powers up at the beginning of the tournament after breaking out of the ice. This is like 10 years before that and without Broly being trapped in ice in his LSSJ form floating through space slowly increasing in power for a decade. Hopefully they don't just all die in the planet's explosion since that would be boring and lame.

Remember Babidi and Bibidi were considered to have the strongest magic in the universe,(Before Zen Buu and Whatever XXI is) like the Kais literally feared both of their capabilities to point they got off their asses and intervened in the mortal realm in order to try and stop him.

U16 Bra from the beginning of this fan manga has be stated time and time again she has major mental problems. Physically powerful - she is up there, now mentally she is not. Vegeta had a goal ever since he lost on Earth to surpass Goku. He nearly killed himself in the Gravity chamber and in space working toward this goal. Goku pointed out his training was that of torture. Vegeta has ALWAYS been extremely strong mentally. U16 Bra has NEVER been mentally capable of anything shown so far. The only thing supposedly showing she was "able" to mentally control herself when she fought that Bojack gang member. She was told NOT TO KILL her and she did so anyway - she did not pass that trial I do not care what Vegeto said there. I do not see in any way, shape, or form her being able to resist Babidi's control.

Gohan or Cell coming in while she is having her mental breakdown and slicing her head off is what I think will happen here after she fails to resist and is about to off her mentally stable self.

Originally I was thinking this was going to end with most dead and the rest injured on the ground clinging to life and the only one still up would be U18 Bra who after seeing almost everyone she knows dead would go SSJ finally and finish the job and kill Majin U16 Bra who at this point would be similarly injured to how Vegeta was after the battle on Earth. Be ironic the one she called weak not to mention her counterpart from another universe kill her. Unfortunately now that everyone is down the only possible endings I see is the gang returning, XXI doing something, or the U9 team stepping in to try and buy some time for Gohan to fuse with someone.

Hoping Piccolo is able to survive that somehow and plays a key roll in the end in defeating Bra. 1 Replie(s)