I really don't see what the point of these 2 chapters is. We've already seen the other good guys react to all the other universes, so I don't know why we'd need to show Trunks's reaction as well. This is just a waste of time.

To be honest I would rather have them take a few months break and really put out more quality writing and content.

This dialogue could be better.

First... change "victims" to "the dead". At this time no one knew who was going to be in there or not.

Victims implies they were killed unjustly. Not everyone was killed unjustly.

Change Trunks's dialogue in the second panel to "Please give me a couple of hours, I need to TALK to some friends first."

Trunks is NOT that formal, he's not CS generator.

Change "You will then have my answer" to either "Then I will have an answer" or "I'll have an answer after."

Make the Vargo's speech to something more "enticing" not "formal"

Who wrote this btw? This dialogue is mediocre.

Excellent Art but bad dialogue.

Not going to lie, I did not expect Vegeta's plan, so props for that. HOWEVER, this whole core-business is ever-so-slightly silly to me (ok, a lot). Cell explained it back in Z that one cell is enough for him to survive, he never talked about a semi-organ that he can juggle around in his body XD, big enough to grab like someone's intestines, and if you rip it out, he dies? This is just sloppy. Come on.

It's great to be able to talk to readers from other countries. I hope you will like Namekseijin Densetsu as much as I enjoyed realizing it.

npberryhill was saying: No parody or special chapter this time, ya'll. Hope you enjoy.
Hey mate! Very glad you translate again! Will you also continue to translate the Buu fanfic? Unfortunatly we can't translate from french directly into german. We need the english version first to translate. I wanted to continue it for over a year by now. Many people would be very happy if you could find the time for it! Keep up the good work! :-)

Btw:
I hope ya'll enjoy the colorings too. Every new novel chapter will have lots of colored panels for you, that no one has ever seen before! You can't find them anywhere else on the internet. Also, older chapters got updated with new colored panels too, go check them out if you like!

No parody or special chapter this time, ya'll. Hope you enjoy.

Yua was saying: Please collect dragon ball, use Monster Reborn all person Bra killer

Monster Reborn only brings back one monster though. What you want is for them to use the Dragon Balls to Soul Charge everyone that Bra killed.

kiobruh was saying: Meman27 was saying: Nice page, gives Vegito some reason that seemed impossible and gave bra a bit of sympathy
Vegito is giving some very solid reason, also empathy not sympathy. If you actually feel sympathy for Bra you need to go to a doctor.

and your heartless

im going to say this again page 1743 if vagito didnt do this then non of this would of happened

bra couldnt control her self in ssj2 she doesnt even remember doing anything and for that scum bag vagito to do that to a little girl should be shamed of her self

and if you bra haters dont see that then you need help

This is the last comment I'll write so I'll say the most important thing first:

Salagir, thanks for DBM. I've been enjoying it for years. Asura, keep up the good work, you're amazing man, every page is completely worth it with your art. I hope I can keep reading this for years!

Sadly, after years here, I'll just keep reading from the shadows. I don't even dare writing a comment anymore. When I comment I just want to enjoy DBM with it's community, like I've been doing for years. Lately I can't, cause coms get deleted (and don't) arbitrarily (yes, rules, but most comments break some rules and are there, therefore, arbitrarily). I don't enjoy wasting my time for nothing.

Thanks mod team for this xmas gift, you took this community from me.

Xeno Black was saying: It always good to see Bra being put back in her place. I can see her getting punched in fifty different ways and never get bored with it. I just hope next page we get confirmation whether Goten dead or not, though the chances of him surviving are slim to none.

Nice, another skeleton head avatar is among us. The world is slowly but surely getting filled with dead people. But funny bones business aside, Vegetto is a unique case no matter how it is sliced. In this situation, he is in the right since his daughter just killed billions of people and is totally mad with power. Him knocking her out was the best thing to prevent more casualties, especially considering she likely killed her very own brother. So he definitely justified and I agree with you. However, Vegetto overtime has been slowly rotting since his morals became warped enough that on a single impulse he wished to break Gohan's skull.

Something that seems to be realized on page 418.

He still is mostly a good man, but he is a stone thrown away from becoming a true menace since he cannot take pressure well. Once pushed over the edge, the stuff Bra been doing will look like a small bush fire compared to a Supernova taking place. Funny how a fusion of Goku has became one of the greatest threats in existence all due to Vegeta still possessing his sins during the fusion. Course there more to it, but it definitely the root cause of his degeneration.

About the avatar, it's even more fun because we have kinda similar names.
We didn't notice each other because I write almost exclusively in italian section and come here to lurk and, rarely, to reply to something.

Regarding Vegetto, add, to Vegeta's unresolved personality issues, that he is -literally- bored out of his mind.

Goku for all his life trained to face someone (to win the tournaments, to defeat piccolo, and so on), his life was always training and fighting stronger people. Vegeta the same.

In U18 they have each other (and maybe Uub) to keep up with this kind of life, to some extent.

In U16 Vegetto has literally no one. Even Gohan, who could at least give him a fight in normal (before retcon) or SSJ1 (now, after recon) form, refuses to fight.

And Vegetto doens't literally know what to do with his days.

Neither Goku nor Vegeta were ever be shown to be interested in hobbies (reading, watching tv, playing games, being playboys).
It must be incredibly frustrating.

And I was the psycho last page cause I said "who cares? they have dragon balls". And now everyone here is applauding a father punching her little daughter on the face, some even saying it's the best thing ever. I sure am glad I'm a psycho then...

MonYoshu was saying: XisBack was saying:

Overreaction? O V E R R E A C T I O N ???
The kid just killed his half-brother (and someone Vegetto could feel like his son as well) and five billions of people, pulling out a complete Freeza, and laughing about it.

And a punch and a threat are the overreaction?

If she wasn't her daughter he would have incinerated her on the spot. And probably, for the safety of the universe, he should have done that anyway.

Anyway, with all the retcons happening, and with Bra still being annoyingly the protagonist, at least Salagir didn't ruin Vegetto, I give him that at least.

Yes its an overreaction.

Vegetto could have said "It's okay, we'll wish them back with the Dragonballs and work on your rage." Or "Do this again and I'll send you to King Kai forever." Instead he just goes with "Before you become more powerful than me I'll kill you." That's an overraction in my book.

Bra needs guidance more than anything else. Their relationship seems better later (before Bra kills Zangya) but the emotional scarring is still there, at least for Bra (Vegetto probably thought it wouldn't amount to much, which is in character for him).

Keep in mind Vegetto wanted to send newborn Bra and Pan into the time chamber on page297. To train them and make them stronger. As I said before, some of this is Vegetto's own fault.

Well, your book needs to be rewritten from scratch, this is the only thing I can say about the "a harsh threat is an overreaction toward genocide and fraticide" stance.

At age 10, Bra has a higher killcount than both DBZ Cell and Vegeta combined. Impressive. It's also funny how even mass-murderers like Vegeta, Frieza, Cell, and all Buus besides Kid, were more reluctant to blow up planets than Bra.

The various retcons of Bra's behavior and backstory are interesting to watch. Bra has always been intended to be sympathetic. There's nothing to indicate in the first few years of DBM that Bra was a budding villain: a lowkey first appearance, merely a meaner good guy with control issues. Chapters 136-137 of the novelization even describe Bra as having a "kind heart" like Goku, being a "hero", a "savior", and "beautiful". But as time's gone by and fan hate has increased, attempts to make Bra sympathetic have gotten more drastic.

Vegito's "I will kill you" flashback implies all Bra's issues come from him. In that scene, Bra is small, innocent, and vulnerable compared to Vegito's huge and menacing...

What does this accomplish, if not to make Bra sympathetic? If we'd had even a shred of context to this--if we'd seen Bra literally just murdered billions of innocent people, like we saw today--Vegito wouldn't come off as a bad guy. So Bra is unambiguously portrayed as a victim (right in the middle of U18 Bra telling us she's not. Hmmm.)

However, on this page she genocided a solar system without Vegito threatening her beforehand. We can't even blame SS2 for Bra's genocidal tendencies because she attempted the same thing on Earth at the tender age of 6 as only a SS1. Still, Bra's statement right before she introduced this flashback...
...has her clearly indicate her terror of Vegito is the defining moment of her life and the cause of all her issues.

This "abusive Vegito" angle--this implication Bra is awful and susceptible to Babidi because she's in constant fear for her life--wasn't implied at all in-webomic from 2008-2018. From the forum:
And from the user Axalon:
U16 was portrayed as nothing but happy and functional for about a decade, and Vegito's relationship with his daughter as nothing but good. (If anything, he was too soft on her: her killing Zangya gets a "good job".) Either it's a gaffe in planning and execution, or it's a retcon. Granted, by 2016 U16 was starting to be retconned into being darker, but Vegito is still seen as mostly a good guy prior to the tournament. On Page 1234 we see Vegito has been damaged by Bra after dealing with her for 2.5 days, but Bra herself doesn't have a scratch. Definitely abusive.

Even as late as 2019 when Majin Bra confronts Gohan, it's her resentment of putting up with and protecting weak people which she gives as her motivation, not her fear of her dad or wanting to get back at him. (She's Majinized and finally speaking what she's always wanted to say: why wouldn't she mention her fear of Vegito to Gohan if it's as big a deal as she later said it was?)

Not to mention there's author quotes. On page 278 it was said Bra "may not have Gohan's life and challenge", and Bra is described as "spoiled" on page 1198: a far cry from the traumatized, abused wreck she's now implied to be.

So this "abusive Vegito" angle is very recent. It seems to have been done to make Bra sympathetic by shifting the blame to Vegito when Bra is at her worst, making Bra "redeemable". Really, it's still Bra's fault, and she should still face consequences for it. (If anything, Vegito being willing to prioritize billions of innocent lives over his daughter's is admirable, and giving her a warning first is showing restraint.) "Abusive Vegito" contradicts years of prior characterization, and if anything Bra is even less sympathetic than she was. Since we've just learned she killed Goten, this implies Bra's so not-bothered by this she still relentlessly mocks and belittles him. I can only call that abusive...and it seems Vegito and Gohan don't even care.

Again, I wonder what's the point. There are theories on the forum that Bra is meant to be a "better" Vegeta: a Vegeta that's more sympathetic and "cool" (and exploitable for fanservice. Hmmm.) But if DBM's express purpose is to be a better DBZ sequel than GT, why was it decided spending SO MUCH TIME on Bra would accomplish that? Bra has double Goku's screentime! Most fights, longest fights, longest arc, the most fanart, four separate specials...

While it's a much less clear-cut thing at this point whether Bra's objectively not as bad a person as Vegeta (going by this page, I doubt he has her killcount in most universes), the reasons why people like Vegeta better and find him more sympathetic are obvious.

1) Vegeta failed constantly and thus was relatable even though he was awful. Bra hasn't been defeated in over 1500 pages and generally does most everything BETTER than most everyone. Vegeta falls to a group effort; Bra beats a group effort. (Read: she is better than LITERALLY EVERY HERO ON THE FIELD COMBINED, heroic sacrifices and all!) Every time Vegeta messed up, he got immediate karma; Bra has never faced any real negative consequences for her actions. Vegeta suffered immense agony even trying to disobey Babidi; the first time Bra attempts it, she breaks free completely, to an extent Vegeta never did.
2) Vegeta never made excuses for himself. Even dying at Goku's feet because of Frieza, he didn't excuse his behavior. Bra does.
3) Even at his most prominent, Vegeta never eclipsed Goku. Bra has.
4) Vegeta has had more sympathetic qualities than Bra. We've never seen Bra be kind to anyone or look out for anyone besides herself. Her most sympathetic moment is shedding a single tear for Pan, and even then, Chapter 27 of the novel indicates Pan would rather get strangled to death by Bojack than face what Bra would do to her should she forfeit. This is for a character initially presented as heroic! And yet Vegeta, initially presented as villainous, still showed better manners, displayed better teamwork and concern for his allies on Namek, and was more complimentary to his relatives in Cell saga. He complimented Trunks' strength to Cell: when was the last time Bra complimented her relatives?

No amount of tragic story retcons will make Bra sympathetic until she's either failed, become nicer, admitted she's wrong, or gone away.

Gorkor got hit by Buu Lightning Bolt, set on fire, and still a couple of pages later he was back in the line (see when Buu opens Tapions box). Not even Zen Buu could kill him.

@Xeno Black

It's mostly the missed potential that grates my nerves.
I've been reading this comic since I was 13, I'm now 25. I remember thinking back in the day: this is going to be amazing! And then Bra vs Cold happened... and it all started going down from there...

But anyway, I had been here for a few years before it started to go down.

Secondly: I'm a REALLY BIG fan of both DBZ Elswhere and An Earth without Goku, which wouldn't exist without DBM. I consider both RMK and Chewys highly creative writers who, while respecting canon, find ways to incorperate new lore into the story. I love those stories.

Salagir, by contrast, just recently announced oozaru is actually x2 instead of times 10, invents explenations that make no sense, such as the majin marc apparently dissapearing when breaking free of Babidi's control, while we know from canon (Vegeta had to fight back against Babidi to overpower his control, so clearly Babidi was in his head) that that isn't the case.

I guess you could say I've been here so long (half my life) it feels weird to leave now. That said, I will leave again on wesnday. When the new page hits. Because as I said before, I'm not going to spend the rest of my life complaining every time Bra does something. I'll probably take a LONG break. Hell, mayby I'll never return. But for now I'm sticking around because this is the last page of an arc that's been going on for 3 years. So I might as well discuss my opinions about it.

But to answer your question: yes, there were things I liked. I'll give you a summmary:

— Kakarotto being immortal: amazing and opens up so many new possibilities. I mean think about it, Kakarotto is STILL ALIVE IN THE ARENA RIGHT NOW. It's the first time we actually get an immortal character outside of movies. And Salagirs interpretation of immortality; (coming back to life just enough to "not die" but still having wounds that require weeks to heal without treatment) is amazing.

— Cell revealing he played everyone and broke free of Babidi's control. Cell was the mvp in this fight in my opinion.

— Kakarotto becoming a ssj2.

— the earthlings defeating a cell jr through ACTUAL TEAMWORK

— Raditz getting the mystic ritual

— Vegeta u18 bickering with Vegeta u13.

— Goten being seperated from Trunks for once and actually growing as a character, showing bravery by attacking a cell jr, giving Gohan the moment he needed to break free.

— Everyone ignoring Vegito and working together, and Vegeto being unacustommed to that situation.

— Cell not being stupid enough to get killed by Gohan again after it nearly costing his head 30 years ago (and in many universes did cost him his head)

— u18's Bra defending her Gohan.

u18 Bra, a 16 year old teenager who probably hasn't trained a day in her life, kicking Nappa (an 80 something veteran of a hundred battles and a giant of a man), in a wall, then being oblivious why Videl assumes she's been training xD I foresee a race of superhumans in a 1000 years if every decendant of saiyans on earth has that level of power without training a day in their life xD


And the whole u13 special everything about it.

@Ashanark

You are actually making it worse.
How is this hard to understand? The question isn't "who wins", the question is "how does the fight go exactly"

What we have seen here is boring beyond belief and defies all logic. Everyone stands around attacking one at a time.Techniques that should be used (Cell using instant transmission, Buu healing someone, the cell juniors,...) are never used. Bra knows information she can't possibly know and even if Salagir says Bra studied up on Cell beforehand if Gohan who's smart enough to get a ph didn't think to check if Cells nucleus survived a point blanck attack after seeing him come back from the dead once before as a child, then Bra shouldn't have even thought of it.

The fighters attack one at a time, there is no logical teamwork... Had the fight we were shown gone back and forth, with Bra taking lots of damage from fighting 8 people at once and those 8 people taking damadge because Bra is a whole tier above them in power, with it being unclear who would win, then it wouldn't have mattered who won in the end.

Had Bra won, she would have earned her victory, and if she was so weak she could barely stand all the better, because that's what makes it a good fight. This isn't a one on one, this is a one on 8.

Had the heroes won, then they just took down a ssj2 who's power outshines them all through solid teamwork, if some of them had died in the attempt all the better, because they just took down someone who, under different circumstances, would be nearly invincible to them.

But we get this one sided stupid slaughter because "Salagir thought it would have been boring otherwise", and we all know that's bullshit.

Was ANYONE even remotely interested in this one sided fight? Did anyone think, I hope she takes another senzu bean? Didn't everyone except a team battle to involve actual TEAM ATTACKS AND FOLLOW UPS? Who wouldn't have loved to see Gohan and Cell fighting together for once? That didn't happen even once! All the potential for this fight... THROWN AWAY because apparently Salagir thought IT WOULDNT BE COOL ONTHERWISE

Ashanark just posted arguably the most detailed and insightful post of anyone and commenters are ready to jump his throat to invalidate it.

Lmao, I need to take a break.

Not going to lie, it's fun seeing the number of "oh she's going to kill her now" comments fade away with every page... Are we all cool now? do you finally accept what some of us said early on? Great.

Moving on... Chances are the chapter ends with Bra breaking free. Fine, I still cringe at the entirety of her character, but fine, sure, let's do it. I will ragequit if down the line everyone she killed will just forgive her with a "oh, wasn't your fault".

Ahaha, sorry about that. XD In my defense, half of them are Super Gojita 3 requoting the same old comment over and over again while arguing with someone else. XD

Vegetto the Beloved and Son "Our Lord and Savior" Bra.

I like it.

I'm quite glad U18 was safe from the continued existence of Vegetto. Vegeta and Goku, while flawed, are still far better parents to their children during a time of peace than Vegetto ever could be.

Goodness gracious, no wonder why Son Bra is so messed up. Previous specials have shown it was mostly sunshine and rainbows with a few hints of a hidden curtain of malaise over U16. I mostly attributed it to Vegetto and Son Bra (an unnatural existence coupled with an unstable child brought up in an unstable upbringing leading to an unstable universe), but now? The events behind the scenes are starting to make much more sense now as we see what is behind the curtain.

I'm unsure where precisely in the timeline this flashback occurs as I reconcile this with my interpretation of Son Bra's character... But, I believe it is sometime after the events of chapter 54. It's never too late to address the needs of a child as you lay the foundation for their personality later on in life. But this pathetic stunt by Vegetto? A deliberate, and malevolent attempt to put the fear of God into Son Bra's very heart and soul so he can selfishly motivate her to train and beat him? So he can finally have an opponent that'll give him the fight he so desperately craves to give meaning to his existence since he was born in battle?

Is it any wonder why she responds that her life goal in life is "To be the strongest in the universe?" Is it any wonder why she fell so easily to Babidi's sway? Is it any wonder shy she does not like to lose?

I admit I was mostly wrong about how she wants to be the strongest so she can feel better about herself due to her lack of self-confidence. She wants to be the strongest so she won't be killed by her own father. And somewhere along the way, that goal slowly got twisted into her only life purpose and molded her into this apathetic person that tries to achieve whatever small victory she can get.

When one has a Father like Vegetto, compared to the warmth of Goku or the calmness of Vegeta, it's just so, so sad. She still loves him and yet, when one re-reads all the previous U16 Chapters (which mostly took place after this particular page, it changes everything.

It's incredible how ONE page can change a perspective so quickly and so suddenly. Props to Salagir and Asura for being so full of surprises.

On a side-note: it may be 5 years from now, but I definitely am looking forward to the events that were shown on page 418. A fusion born from Goku and Vegeta 10 years after the end of Dragon Ball (Z) and 20 Years after Majin Boo's death. The two characters at their best fusing to make Gogeta. Vegetto, a fallen angel, confronted by his pure counterpart! I can see Son Bra's reaction:

"F-Father? No... He's different. He's-"
"Yes, I am Gogeta now, Son Bra. I am also Vegetto, one might almost say, Vegetto as he should have been."

I had a dream last night that u18 bra was actually ginyu here, and he switches with u16 bra.

@Xeno
>It would be different if orange Dodoria here first won against Vegeta just to lose against Raditz a while later.
Oi, where do you get off tryin to bring common sense into this here fine thread?

Pbftt, I'm the Real one here.

Vash was saying: We all know how this is going to end. The Saiyans from this universe made it to the tournament, not Lord Slug and his men.

Yeah, but happiness is in the trip, not the destination. Or something like that XD

We know saiyans will win, the question is how. What will they win from this fight? A zenkai? Info? Allies? All of that? Are Slug and co. gonna fight Freezer too? Or are they gonna die here? Will this Vegetto madness end? How many times will kakarot die now that he can? Will Slug meet Guru?

So many options.