people ask why kaioken is my favorite form-ish technique, this is why

Deciding to throw out hard numbers for the kaioken in favor of the more ambiguous "Kaoikenn!" "Stronger Kaioken!" "Maximum Kaioken!" was one of DBM's best changes from canon. Kaioken multipliers were always nonsense. If Super Saiyan is a 50x multiplier, and SS Goku was able to slap around 100% Frieza, and Kaioken x20 is actually twenty times stronger than base, then shouldn't Kaoiken x20 Goku's full power kamehameha have nearly killed Frieza rather than just scuffing his hands? Also it's super counter-intuitive that "Kaioken" and "Kaioken x2" are literally the same thing.

Also, because of how the effect works (putting strain on your body in exchange for power), it being a straight multiplier doesn't make sense. Wouldn't what you need for a given multiplier be extremely different for everyone? If Goku could reach x4 kaioken when his pl was 8000, then shouldn't it take twice the "kaoiken force" to reach x4 when he got up to 1600? It doesn't make sense.

In DMB, it's much simpler. "Kaioken makes you stronger. At its base level, it doesn't strain you very much. A stronger Kaioken makes you even stronger. Maximum Kaioken is the highest you can go without causing injury to yourself, and thus the strongest kaioken it is safe for a given person to use. You can go higher than maximum (videl vs Cell Jr.) but you'll injure yourself. Trying to be more specific than that only adds confusion. (Shouldn't x3 kaioken Goku have been much, much stronger than Vegeta's pitiful 16,000 ass? Since Goku was above 8k before he even went full power, and Vegeta didn't know how to hide his power at the time, so he couldn't have been above 16k. This is why using exact numbers for stuff like this is wack.)

What even is the multiplier for "Maximum Kaioken"?

Now that’s proper tournament fighting right there. No tricks, cheats, gimmicks, or speeches between each attack. Just bom pom dom pah dam bam

Okay here's my theory.

Zen Buu out magics XXI while Gast ends Bra, and the combination of this makes Vegito go nuts.

Ven was saying: Füchsin was saying: Ven was saying: Füchsin was saying: Maybe Vegeta will save his new powers for Goku and use ssj3 against Cell. He doesn't hold the form in high regard, but this way he can save his new form for Goku and show he can use ssj3. It would kinda bug me if he never achieved it at all. Even his evil counterpart did so after getting pushed around a little by Cell jr.

Yeah, and just like turning the dude into a woman, it was fan service. Let's hope for something original, eh?

Nah. Original forms and powers in DBZ fanfiction are lame more often than not. I take stale ssj3 Vegeta fanservice over stuff like Cold's monsterform or the ki constructs/clones anyday.

All Saiyan transformations have been lame after the first. Besides, you don't need new transformations every damn time someone is supposed to show their power. As i said: Original. People just want more of the same, which is the reason super has like 5 new transformations. Ugh... Of course, calling them "transformations" is pretty dishonest considering it's just yet another power boost.

All true. DBZ did fine without any transformations and post frieza with just the ssj transformation.
Iam just afraid the way DBM set up power tiers, Vegeta needs a transformation or an equivalent power boost to compete with Cell. And I would rather take the devil I know than a wildcard given the track record.

Ven was saying: Füchsin was saying: Maybe Vegeta will save his new powers for Goku and use ssj3 against Cell. He doesn't hold the form in high regard, but this way he can save his new form for Goku and show he can use ssj3. It would kinda bug me if he never achieved it at all. Even his evil counterpart did so after getting pushed around a little by Cell jr.

Yeah, and just like turning the dude into a woman, it was fan service. Let's hope for something original, eh?

Nah. Original forms and powers in DBZ fanfiction are lame more often than not. I take stale ssj3 Vegeta fanservice over stuff like Cold's monsterform or the ki constructs/clones anyday.

Maybe Vegeta will save his new powers for Goku and use ssj3 against Cell. He doesn't hold the form in high regard, but this way he can save his new form for Goku and show he can use ssj3. It would kinda bug me if he never achieved it at all. Even his evil counterpart did so after getting pushed around a little by Cell jr.

Cons:
— Because of what happened with her and Babidi, I’d say she’s traumatized, in shock, or at the very least insanely ashamed, which might cloud her judgement.
— Because of that shame, she might forfeit, or just let Gast win.

I saw Babidi's stunt coming a mile away and was kinda surprised none of the characters did.

Ven was saying:

KidGoku was saying:
I hate to bring Vegeta up

If that were true, you people would stop. Lo and behold, here we are once again. Ugh...

Don't lump me in the same category as them. You know nothing about me or how I think. The fact that you attack me the way you do goes to show how insecure you are.

I cannot comprehend how people don't just want to give Bra a hug.

I hate to bring Vegeta up

There's something wrong with this page... :/

There:



Now it is better! :D

Bra vs Gast --> Bra (I'm thinking of a Piccolo-Gohan training situation, in which Gast teaches something Bra and then forfeit)

I'm still surprised that the audience is still willing to stay after everything that happened...

Goku lost his Saiyan memories as a child (and probably left some brain damage) and was raised by Gohan, in a natural environment.

since he never even saw a girl he had no lust

Idk if this is just pure fanboy or cell was really caught off-guard or if they somehow got an off-page zenkai but after all the pages i feel like he should've noticed the other Gohan approach, and maybe notice them leave at the end. What's your opinion?

Hahaha, great page. Extreme sexual energy on display.

Gohan: Don't worry Videl, I'll get Gotenks, Gast, and the others and we'll browbeat Pan into forgiving Bra for her actions, because she was under control... Until she decided she wasn't under control.

Videl:... I want a divorce. And a restraining order.

Turbocharger was saying:
Majin Angel was saying: The disconnect about Bra seems to be about the strength of Babidi's control. In DBZ we were given limited examples. Pui pui, Yakon, and the human schmucks were mostly irrelevant. Vegeta broke the control. Dabra, the lord of the demon realm didn't. Salagir's take is Vegeta was just beyond special, and a being of Cell's intellect and similar pride could do the same. Bra wasn't able to break free. Criticizing her for that is kinda silly.

HOWEVER, everyone should be on board with criticizing Bra because she has been warned her entire life that her temper and inability to control herself will hurt everyone. [...]

I agree with this take. I'm also glad that the page isn't trying to make Pan look like she's wrong to be afraid of Bra. Hell, Videl even emphasizes that it's not a quick fix.
[...]
On a side note, U16 Gohan is probably one of the most sympathetic characters in this whole entire comic with everything that he's stuck with. Somebody give this dude a medal of honor.

I am more or less on board with this. Not her fault for what she did while under control, but she would have been able to withstand this - or stop this - were it not for her faults.

Ven was saying:

Ask yourself: Is Gast willing to risk his one and only chance to get his wish? We don't know what it is

Yes, we do. He specifically tells Raichi he's going to wish to resurrect his people.

I know you hate cell gohan but dont take it out on the innocent tiny cell jr

Bra vs Gast, what do you think? Will Gast show compassion and understanding for Bra’s situation and let her have the win? Or will he bend her over his knee and give her the spanking she deserves?

Hey, at least Pan's holding a grudge. That's something.

U19 are soldiers and they have honor, Bra not really. Also I think that they live a completly different life than U16. Bra always acts proud and cocky, but I can imagine thats only natural, considering Vegito is her father and Bulma her mother. She is one of the strongest beings in her universe and struggles to control this huge power, while still being a child/teenager!

We can agree that something is super strange about him, knowing the background of U1 and how radical they handled the threats in their universe.

He still has his 1st encounter victory over the idiot so called hero.

Also , same here, I would rather like some more pages of reactions especially of bra that how she talks with gohan and asks Big green some new training clothes for herself , considering she's in rags right now and how she literally saiyabamaned piccolo.

Also vegito lamenting his powerlessness against gast and zen buu.

And yeah few words from phipsil and co. She probably damaged bra more than anyone else by using carbonite .

Ok, this could only be even more cringe if the characters actually looked at US while talking about how we aaaaall need to forgive Bra- I mean all the majinised characters. Laughable.

Ven was saying: The real questions is: since it's Cold's body, what does it matter if you specify that it's actually Ginyu? We all know that already.

I was clearly not talking to people who realise that, like yourself, but that's ok. There are some people above who were wondering.

I don't see how any of you could think it is actually Cold. Buu restored everything, sure, but it was Ginyu who came to this tournament in Cold's body from the get-go. And think (Mark, think!) If this was the REAL Cold, wouldn't he be super confused, not knowing what's going on, where he is or who all these people are? I think it's pretty obvious.

imagine if goku is hiding his god ki so his power level would match the other universes, and then when broly tries to kill everyone or buu decides to absorb everyone goku and vegeta uses god ki with super saiyan god and just already becomes the strongest in the tournament

Finally, Bra vs Ghast: Bra. Yeah Ghast is super strong and he has that "Shut off your powers" technique, but I believe Bra's stronger than him in SSJ2, which she can now control, and I'm guessing either Ghast won't use his "Power shut off" technique either out of respect for a clean fight, or because of some draw back. Maybe he can't do anything while using that technique. Still, it'll probably be a somewhat close fight anyway, especially since Ghast has regenerative abilities.

finally broly's chapters are done. Honestly they were awful. The whole strory didn't make sense. First how's that nobody have felt his energy on his way back to Earth if he's so strong?? Secondly, Buu could have defeated him easily with multiple ways: he could have changed him to a candy, absorbing him or just finish him with the 1000 diffrent attacks he knows.Also he could teleported him with just a part of his body because one of Buu's magic is dividning himself. Lastly Broly surviving black hole is foolish even by DBM standards. Honestly DBM became some foolish Sci-fi story. And worst of all the last 2 chapters were futile, they were so slow (the whole first one was just about Broly's back to Earth) and in the end, we still don't know how he ended up in the ice so probably there will be another chapter in this storyline.
It makes me suspect the authors are dragging this purposely. Why? I thought they don't make money from this.

Then Gast vs LOL Bra wins

Let me see if I have this correct- this Broly tanked a super massive black hole, lived to keep getting stronger, went on to destroy the universe, and on page 185 is getting beat up by SS1 Vegetto? How U20 Broly survived really needed a more clever, less MY POWER IS MAXIMUM, explanation.

He can survive a black hole, but he can't survive Carbonite? How does that work?

kill everyone.

in my opinion, movies are even less relevant. movie 8 brolly doesn't even have the possibility to exist for example in dbs because brolly was retconned to be completely different.

I'm a little afraid it's going this way, however this Buu thing really makes the whole piece more interesting and unique.

Broly as presented in the movie and from then on is just "the Evil Saiyan", not traumatized, not hurt, not broken because of what happened to him, but because he is the Evil Saiyan.

The art is great though. Overall I think the general tone of this special has been fantastic.

What I said in a previous comment still holds true: we NEED more of why Broli. He's out of the narrative and has been for years. This story has no new insight to his character other than "I killed them all! Muahhaha!" Which was a mini-comic made years ago.

Art is fantastic, but the writting...I mean...this is fanmade and all, but...come on...

This special has made me think of something. Why didn't Kibitoshin consider teleporting Buu to a black hole? They would both die, sure. But as a last resort it would definitely be worth it.

Piccolo: Maybe the only one that would go for the kill. A big maybe because he let Frieza achieve his thirth form and let Cell escape.

ptWolv022 was saying:
I actually agree with Deepfreeze (shocking, I know, what their comment being one agreeing with my own comment), because Broly is without his biggest weakness. That's not to say he's "overcome it", per say, as much as it has been... "rendered moot". Broly still delights in causing pain and misery, but he no longer seems to be finding joy in this fight...

Your perspective on it is sound, I actually don't have much to answer back on but do agree that it can be considered broly made his rage into a greater strength by channelling it into a more unforgiving manner by no longer seeing 'joy' in the fight. I do still think there need to be more pages to it though.

Gohan genius does come in handy.

Looking back, magic only worked without any issues on 'weaker' characters.

2) In fairness to the writing, it's not Goku, Gotenks, Gohan, Piccolo, or Vegeta in control. It's Buu. Buu mixed with all those people, yes, but still Buu. He has all the hubris of Vegeta, the playfulness of Goku, and the arrogant annoyingness of Gotenks. And while Gotenks at the moment may have been angery boi, he's still Gotenks, and the one in control is still Buu. Good Buu/Mr. Buu, at that, the dumb plaful innocent one who likes doggy, sleeping, and occasionally helping Mr. Satan rig a highly commercialized version of an ancient festival, thereby allowing Mr. Satan to continue being the world's most famous man and massively wealthy.

A lot of people are upset about this, which... fair, but also:

1) You don't have to read this, you know? I see a lot of negative comments, and I somewhat have to wonder why they have even gone to the trouble of making an account if they are going to make a one sentence comment (at least the guy who said he made an account to post a comment put effort into it. Props to him, though I disagree with their comment, personally). And, it's not even just the comic, you can always just... skip this chapter. If you don't like it, just come back and skim it when it's done or don't even look at it at all.

Honestly that's worst part about the comment section. Everyone thinks these characters have all the meta knowledge we do. These last few panels have all been in the span of a few seconds so a true plan hasn't been brewed up.

All I'm thinking about is the Kais, what are they doing at a time like this? Genuinely. Kibito Kai could've teleported to Buu and let him absorb him, get that little extra power or even then, he could go to Namek and get the Dragon Balls to wish everyone back whenever Broly goes kamikaze. I know that it's selfish but even, Buu could teleport to Elder Kai and unlock his potential while Broly does his thing for 24 hours. :/

Eh, I don't think it is that unreasonable for this version of Buu to be trying this in DBM.

I mean look at Vegetto. He thinks magic is stupid and just cheating. Goku and Vegeta are in this Buu too.

It's basically the mental makeup of Buu being very frustrated that even though he is way stronger he can't hurt Broly. Gotenks would contribute to this too. Gohan is also cocky when he is over powered.

Piccolo might be a voice of reason but he is being out played.

You guys don't have to like it but that is what is going down here. Buu thinks he is strong enough to over power Broly and is frustrated that he is not.

Why are people saying the kick is poorly drawn? Pretty sure it's drawn that way intentionally to represent Buu's limbs stretching.

Doesn't buu have virtually unlimited stamina and regeneration? We never even got a "Destroy the last cell" plot point like with Cell iirc, for all we know he can come back from complete erasure because he's magic.

When I say Buu is fighting more intelligently, I'm saying that he's utilizing teleportation to catch Broly off guard and aiming for weak spots. That is all.

Based on first impressions, Buu seems to be fighting more intelligently. Definitely got that Goku and Piccolo in him.

MUI was saying: Now that I see this Ultra Buu... Why the heck didn't the Piccolos from U16 and U18 think about it when they were fighting Majin Bra? Buu with Cell and 2 Gohans and the armor of Heliors could give a hell of a challenge to SSJ2 Bra.

As others said. Bra would just slice n dice one easy target. And then there is the fact that particular Buu was still following Babadi so no guarantee everyone would get released.

newhinhin was saying: Why would Buu still use hand-to-hand combat? He got Piccolo's intellegent right? He should just use magic or absorb


too many saiyans inside

Broly can't kill Buu even if he overpowers him. Buu can just regenerate forever. Only the damage from a Majin can drain the energy of another Majin. The worst-case scenario is that Buu gets beaten up badly like when Buuhan vs. Vegito. But he simply can't die unless Broly pulls a hax technique out of his own @ss.

Ven was saying: brolyfanboyxx999 was saying: Mr Quill was saying: Did all of you forget? ABSORPTIONS DONT STACK.

yeah they do, it's just that the strongest being is represented through the physical appearance of buu

Is that so? Then explain fat Buu.
if it isnt explain why Buutenks said the strength of gotenks AND The intelligence of piccolo?

Mr Quill was saying: Did all of you forget? ABSORPTIONS DONT STACK.

yeah they do, it's just that the strongest being is represented through the physical appearance of buu

This should put him on a level higher than Base Vegito, it's unfathomable how Broly even beats an opponent that is not only stronger than him but has plenty of tricks and with Piccolo damn near unstoppable regeneration.

So, how exactly does my beta version lose?

can't wait for vegeta to well.. pull a vegeta. or maybe even gotenks and his childish attuide



RIP AND TEAR!!! RIP AND TEAR!!! I AM SO HYPED FOR AT LEAST ONE KILL WITH BROLY JUST GOING NUTS! EVEN ONE!

vwishmwahuul was saying: Bus’s powers may be unique but Raichi couldn’t control ghost Broly. What if. Broly can’t be fully absorbed? Or we get to see a repeat of the incredible fighting candy episode? Not sure what will work outside of Buujiren

Any form of Buu achievable here, except maybe with Vegito absorbed, couldn't 'contain' Broly here. His wrath would become the dominant personality. Absorbing Broly bad. Absorbing everyone else, good.

I wonder how much longer Goku can sustain SSJ3, given the way that the form works in DBM.

I find it kind of silly that gohan goes from completely shocked about broly to all happy that piccolo is here, like what is piccolo gonna do??

Ven was saying: Burglekutt was saying: Kinvesu was saying: I am incredibly grateful for this website and what the authors do by creating more story and stuff but, A lot of this stuff is very hard to swallow and imagine. The power scaling on some of these characters in these universes are so far fetched, you aren't able to believe it, no matter how much you try and justify it. How is broly this strong by doing nothing by flying around killing weak people in the universe? Broly has always been a cool character with a terrible power/power scaling. No amount of anger should let you bypass decades of actual training and hardship. He should never have been able to surpass SSJ much less Ultimate Gohan or SSJ3 Goku. Come on now.

It also flies in the face of the original premise of dragonball. That hard work, along with some natural talent, can supersede anything. But, to be fair, Z breaks that tradition a lot more as the saga goes on.

There isn't much consistency in Dragon Ball. Actually, i don't think there is any, except Goku saving everyone and everything. A "trope" only broken once so Gohan, his son, can have his single moment of glory. We all know what happened to him afterwards.

I can tell you've pretty much only absorbed the english dub that makes out Goku to be Superman-esque if you think that.
Goku couldn't even beat Vegeta on his own.
Goku couldn't beat Freeza even with the Spirit Bomb until Super Saiyan and got his ass whooped by Ginyu.
Everyone except Goku held off Cell until the tournament when Gohan did him in.
Goku wouldn't have beaten Buu without a Spirit Bomb, and even that wouldn't have been possible without Vegeta holding him off and Satan getting the humans to give him their energy.

It only got worse when Super started airing, and even then, Trunks was the one who offed Zamasu and Jiren needed Goku, Freeza, AND 17 to beat.

Kinvesu was saying: I am incredibly grateful for this website and what the authors do by creating more story and stuff but, A lot of this stuff is very hard to swallow and imagine. The power scaling on some of these characters in these universes are so far fetched, you aren't able to believe it, no matter how much you try and justify it. How is broly this strong by doing nothing by flying around killing weak people in the universe? Broly has always been a cool character with a terrible power/power scaling. No amount of anger should let you bypass decades of actual training and hardship. He should never have been able to surpass SSJ much less Ultimate Gohan or SSJ3 Goku. Come on now.

It also flies in the face of the original premise of dragonball. That hard work, along with some natural talent, can supersede anything. But, to be fair, Z breaks that tradition a lot more as the saga goes on.

"Broly loses to Goku in one punch -gasp- then reveals that he's secretly half Namekian on his mother's side (Paragus you dirty dog), so he can regenerate and zenkai indefinitely! Also Gero found his unconscious body and made him Android 1000, what a twist!" Do not, I repeat, DO NOT do that.

Now, commence the gore. Let Broly have his fun.

RockyJoe was saying: C'mon Vegeta, you can't say fuck. This is a Shonen Jump manga. Gotta tone down the language, DBZ ain't R-Rated, despite how bad the fanbase wishes it was.

Not sure if you're trolling, but unwatered down DBZ is quite mature, both in its language and with blood etc.

Ven was saying: imzy was saying: I wonder what broly is doing that is making goku tremble in fear

Obviously getting a power-up. What else could it be?
1: Gotenks Unfusing
2: Broly Getting even stronger
3: Broly already being back on earth with his incredible speed
4: Vegeta kills himself (Cause why not)

I wonder what broly is doing that is making goku tremble in fear

Wth is with Vegeta's dialogue? He sounds like some random dude who lost a pvp battleground in mmo or smth :D

Lmao @ Vegeta

I AM a bit worried though. No killing's been done yet, and this chapter almost seems to be over. There's a lot left to cover.

Broly is what frieza would call “just a mindless beast” so if one day he walks through a Kamehameha and the next it pushes him into the sun wtf can you do about it!!!?? He’s an idiot just Supa strong

Shabby was saying: I want full on fighting. This plan is dumb :/

It's dumb, but what works, works.

Or I guess snaps back to reality and is teleported to his planet to cool off

Ven was saying: m

No, Broly had plot armor in movies until deus ex machina saved the day. Especially in the first movie. So dumb...
You’re criticising the source material when all I am doing is explaining why he is so strong in this comic? The problem people had in the comment section was not that he always had plot armour , but more why he is so strong now?( in multiverse) but I guess you’re proving my point... he has always been ridiculous , and so people complaining about his power now are dumb.

CarrotCake was saying: It's kinda sad how Vegeta got relegated to a mild annoyance/distraction, with Goku, Gohan, Gotenks and Buu, all being monumentally stronger. Pretty standard for Dragonball though, with Piccolo, the androids and all the human characters ending up quickly outclassed throughout the series to the point that they barely matter anymore.

I definitely would not say they are all "monumentally" stronger (except Gohan and Gotenks). IIRC, in the novel, U18 Vegeta trains to the point where he could defeat Kid Buu (I think while using SS2 even, and not the more powerful form it's been implied he now has). Idk how much of the novel is congruent with the main comic, or if that part specifically is.... but I'd like to think that part is at least.

Brolys power was established early on guys. It multiplies over time in the multiverse comic, and in the movie he was completely tanking every attack 4 cell saga super saiyans threw at him like they were nothing.. he was bested by plot armour every time.
He never looks phased by any attack til the movie needs to end.
Once you’ve added the multiverse multiplier then it’s not hard to believe he is keeping up.. especially as he is getting gains DURING this fight itself... he goes on to be merely pushed away by a super saiyan 3 Vegito using his finisher.. not killed.

Lexenar was saying: i_slap_hoes was saying: Why would Broly want a downgrade from the legendary form? That's dumb.
A downgrade? I mean he can transform into LSSJ3 his regular LSSJ is only stronger than regular SSJ it is not above SSJ2 or SSJ3


Not in DBM. In DBM LSSJ is the most powerful transformation, since it grants him infinite power growth
Full on Clown Mode

Alright this is where fanfiction becomes as bad as the actual dragon ball. If Broly had a new Form or at least SSJ3 i would have no problem the fact they ruined what made broly cool sucks

I understand Broly has to win here, but all I hope is that this doesn't turn out like the Majin Bra fight where our heroes come up with "brilliant" strategies (not really) that end up just being tanked or otherwise shrugged off. Like this, this was a good call back. This was a somewhat clever maneuver. At least let it HURT Broly some. Maintain some of the drama.

Whoever fights is not dead!!!

Man I know that DBM kinda did their own thing with Broly and made his power unlimited like the Hulk he just needs to get angry enough to get there, but Mystic Gohan, SSJ3 Goku, SSJ3 Gotenks, and SSJ2 Vegeta should be able to stomp his ass out easily, like story made sense that it was a sneak attack on Earth and they got caught off guard but too many power houses survived unscathed to get bodied like this.

Could it be that nothing stopping Super Broly? O_O

ap2007 was saying: So does he direct the blast toward vegeta or gotenks next ????

Makes sense goku was ssj3 in this story when he helped remove broly not just ssj .... so right now it's a stronger gohan and ssj3 gokubut missing the power of ssj2 vegeta ... so even tho they are stronger its not as drastic a difference because a complete powered ssj2 isnt in the equation

Wasn't Vegeta only regular SS in that attack and it was a big controversy? Also...Goku might only be a little stronger but Gohan is so much stronger it is not even funny. Last special we saw Gohan completely tank a Big Bang Attack from a SS2 Vegeta that was stronger than SS2 Goku. That SS2 Vegeta alone would be quite a bit more powerful than the SS2 Gohan in the triple attack.

I'm surprised Broly is taking this Father Son Kamehameha so easily... I mean technically he is straining, that is why his veins are popping, but not enough to start screaming or even use two hands. So either I was wrong earlier and he was way above Gohan the whole time or enough time passed between before the Piccolo and Buu page to the Gotenks vs Broly page that Broly is way stronger than he was then. The pacing of this special makes it hard to tell.

It is hard for me to believe that Broly would be above Ultimate Gohan on appearance unless he has already been in the LSS form for quite awhile before arriving, which is possible but this special is not really giving us any indication of that.

Other than that, it seems like bra's arc is almost over. Now we will probably move on to vegito villain arc.

Lol at all the people who just KNEW Vegeta was going to die this page. Honesty though, can't blame them. Cool to see him strategizing properly.

This special is awesome. It built the sorrow and now the hype, oh so masterfully. And yet, knowing the outcome makes you wonder... just HOW is it gonna get there?

DrewSaga was saying: Okay, Vegeta wasn't being as dumb as I thought he was. Also, Father-Son Kamehameha hype!

Zefarg was saying: So it really seems like the prediction/theory someone had on the previous page is coming to fruition...
They are gonna succeed in pushing Broly towards/into the Sun, but he's gonna react quickly enough and blast the shit out of it, creating a Supernova which kills everyone except for Broly, who gets frozen...
GG
If that is really the case, nobody can be mad at the writing of this chapter/portrayal of Broly :)

Yeah, I wouldn't be too mad, besides, we get back to the main story and hopefully we will see less Bra.
I am kinda neutral about Bra and I don't think we will see less of her anytime soon, her next match should be coming up plus the further interactions of her with the Heliors, both Gohans & Piccolos and all the others have yet to happen :)

Majin Bra is a bad metric to compare Cell and Gohan with because she easily beat up Cell and 2 Gohans regardless, even against Cell's haxed abilities.

Broly's power growing does make sense if you look back at the webcomic's pages and look at the extra info tabs, Broly is really really strong but he does have a few weaknesses that Universe 20 guys can exploit, too bad they might not get the chance.

Couch Potato was saying: Honestly, my only real issue with DBM is that the scaling for certain characters is wack.

Idk why everyone is bothered by Broly being this powerful. Cell might be this tier and nobody complained about that. Yeah, Broly's gimmick is lazy, but that's Dragonball for you. Strong bad guys with weak foundations, half the time.

Nothing here should surprise anyone.

Ven was saying: Turbocharger was saying: Ven was saying: Rogeru was saying: soon we will know what piccolo's plan is! O_O

I hope in the future intelligent, strategic thinking makes a difference. Unlikely, i know, but one can hope.

Cloot was saying: I bet Piccolo is asking Buu absorb him(Piccolo) so he gains his mind for fighting to better fight Broly.

Heh, yeah. Then Broly can prove once again that being intelligent is meaningless. As Vegito said, "pure power can defeat anything".

Vegitos already been proven wrong multiple times in that department. He lost to XXI because of teleportation, Bra beat Ginyu in her base form after she ate a senzu and stopped fooling around, Gast beat Raichi despite not being able to damage Ghost Broly, Majin Bra would have lost her fight if she hadn't eaten Senzus, Gast cucked Vegito in the previous chapter, the Z Fighters stopped King Cold in a previous special despite him being far stronger than Goku, in another special Broly was taken out by Carbonite, and in another special Frieza was taken out by a bunch of Oozaru, etc.

Heck, even in canon, Raditz gets killed by someone just over a third of his strength.

If anything, this story seems to occasionally make fun of Vegito's idealogy. It's played straight sometimes, but it's definetly not always the case.

As he also said "You just need to be a thousand times stronger". If he went full power from the beginning, that magician wouldn't have had time to part his lips before his head exploded. As we see here, Broly is so far above these guys that he'll crush their spirits as easily as their skulls.

Also, Gast pulls deus ex machina when it's required for the plot to go the way the writer wants it to go. What happened to Raichi was pretty much the perfect example: Gast has some uber regeneration where he can come back from disintegration, like Buu. Was it Gurus ass he pulled that out of or what?

And really, since the relevance of power can change randomly without any consistency, it's all pretty much crap. Intelligence however is still meaningless regardless of all that.

The thousand times stronger thing is understandable if it's taken literally. Obviously, outclassing somebody THAT much would make almost anything useless against you, but Vegito was still far stronger even without using his full power and still lost. And pure power couldn't save Broly from Carbonite even with all of the Op qualities that this version of him has at his disposal so far.

Sodapopinski was saying: Shabby was saying: Good Buu+Piccolo isn't close to enough. They'll need to absorb the Saiyans as well.

Hopefully Buu will absorb Gotenks and Gogeta or Vegito, since the fusion makes him even stronger. Still, absorbing Goku, Vegeta, Gohan and Gotenks (and maybe Uub as a power-unlock) would be great.

I dunno man. Magic isn't like normal power scaling. We saw that just last chapter when Vegetto got put down so easily.

Same with Vegetto's fight with Broly. He could have won at any time with energy weps but chose to go smashmouth with him. Buu should be able to haxx his way to victory.

I mean, Vegito turned into candy and he retained sentience and kicked Buu's bubblegum. I think we can expect the result to be the same. Broly will retain sentience. The alternative is boring.

Dabura was a fraction of Buu's strength and he was the strongest to be turned to candy. Goku dodged it in their final fight, but he might have been strong enough to retain sentience.

Ven was saying: Rogeru was saying: soon we will know what piccolo's plan is! O_O

I hope in the future intelligent, strategic thinking makes a difference. Unlikely, i know, but one can hope.

Cloot was saying: I bet Piccolo is asking Buu absorb him(Piccolo) so he gains his mind for fighting to better fight Broly.

Heh, yeah. Then Broly can prove once again that being intelligent is meaningless. As Vegito said, "pure power can defeat anything".

Vegitos already been proven wrong multiple times in that department. He lost to XXI because of teleportation, Bra beat Ginyu in her base form after she ate a senzu and stopped fooling around, Gast beat Raichi despite not being able to damage Ghost Broly, Majin Bra would have lost her fight if she hadn't eaten Senzus, Gast cucked Vegito in the previous chapter, the Z Fighters stopped King Cold in a previous special despite him being far stronger than Goku, in another special Broly was taken out by Carbonite, and in another special Frieza was taken out by a bunch of Oozaru, etc.

Heck, even in canon, Raditz gets killed by someone just over a third of his strength.

If anything, this story seems to occasionally make fun of Vegito's idealogy. It's played straight sometimes, but it's definetly not always the case.

soon we will know what piccolo's plan is! O_O

I bet Piccolo is asking Buu absorb him(Piccolo) so he gains his mind for fighting to better fight Broly.

I extend the same to DBM. DBM hasn't made up any lame new transformations. I think it's done a pretty tasteful job using pre-existing concepts to make unique and fresh feeling new powerful characters and "power boosts. For the most part. (The Frieza turning Goku old thing was a bit lame.)