You shouldn't read too much into Gohan's statement. U16 Gohan explains it to Son Bra, and she doubts the explanation. So U18 Gohan explains it to her in a way she would understand.



U16 Gohan: "Vegeta won't hurt Videl."
Son Bra: "I don't understand."
U18 Gohan: "I'm stronger than Vegeta."
Son Bra: "Now I understand." 2 Replie(s)

Der Typ leidet unter einer wahnsinnigen Selbstüberschätzung.

Typisch Goku, raubt Meister Kaio den letzten Nerv.

No. That's completely wrong. You should reread the battle. Vegeta SSJ2 is not stronger than U17 Cell (Post Majin Boost). 1 Replie(s)

I have to say, I like Son Bra's SSJ1 hair. Good decision to leave out the hair tie.

As Gohan just confirmed. Vegeta never intended to hurt Videl, because he knows Gohan would intervene. The fact that Son Bra drew her energy sword only escalated the situation on the previous page. Son Bra merely assumed that Vegeta intended to hurt Videl. 2 Replie(s)

Scheint, als würden wir eine Art Epilog-Montage erhalten.

Teamwork makes the dream work!

Ich erinnere mich, wie Goku und Meister Kaio im Verlauf von Bojack's Film die ganze Zeit auf dem Schlangenpfad verbrachten. Erst später im Anime gingen sie in Dai Kaio's Reich. Aber Filmkontinuität, na ja, wer will das schon im Auge behalten?

For the love of Dende. Please take a closer look at the page before commenting. Thank you.


Could you explain that, please? I don't think I'm aware of that.

I think you mean page 1941. Yes, it's true, Goku commented on it that way. However, that probably applies more to Cell's stamina in general.



Because Son Bra thinks Vegeta is threatening Videl. But just because she thinks so doesn't mean that's the case. Son Bra has clearly jumped to conclusions. But given the situation, you can't blame her.

Very good point. U18 Vegeta knows full well that even though Gohan is a nerd, he is deadly serious about this matter (the safety of his family). And Vegeta respects that. Therefore, based on that alone, we can say that Vegeta never had any intention of actually hurting Videl. And even if he did, Gohan would have intervened in time.

In the U18 Special, it was hinted that Vegeta and Goku haven't fought/trained together since the incident in the HTC. Only when they can surpass Gohan's Mystic Power will they fight each other again. Cut to the next scene. The Vargas invite U18 to the DBM tournament, and Vegeta hints that he has a surprise in store for Goku and is ready to fight him. In other words, we can assume that Vegeta has at least found a way to surpass Gohan's Mystic Form.
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That sounds very plausible.


That's exactly what I think when it comes to how strong Vegeta is compared to Son Bra.


It is established that Cell and Vegeta deliberately fought at SSJ2 level. On the one hand, because Cell wanted to force a Zenkai, which, from his point of view, was only possible if he lowered himself to Vegeta's power level. On the other hand, because Vegeta wanted to give Cell a false sense of security so that he could later eliminate Cell with an SSJ3 sucker punch, as Cell would then be at SSJ2 level.

For the very last time. Vegeta in SSJ2 is not as strong as Mystic Gohan / U17 Cell. 2 Replie(s)

I wonder how Piccolo did that. The protective bubble has to remain large enough for him to move around, but that means that if he gets too close to Bra or Vegeta, he would thaw them out of the Life Skip. On page 2578, Cell's protective bubble looks round when Goku approaches via IT. Hmm, I guess I'm overthinking this. 3 Replie(s)

I have to agree with you in some regard, because the text in the speech bubbles does not reflect what I and other people are saying in the comment section. It is our opinion. Something I read into it. I agree with you that this page could definitely use some fine-tuning in terms of text/dialogue.

Furthermore, I can see that Videl comes across as insensitive to Vegeta here. However, I understand the background. Videl made a harmless suggestion, just brainstorming what they could do. What Videl presented was not a done deal plan to follow. And Vegeta responded with a condescending remark. To an idea that could at least be discussed, and I'm pretty sure that at least Piccolo and Gohan would have considered it for a moment or at the very least discussed it. Vegeta was aggressive in his choice of words and tone of voice from the start. If Videl was cruel to Vegeta, then Vegeta was rude to Videl. You reap what you sow. Videl just escalated it.


I understand. Hopefully there won't be any more misunderstandings. Let's just continue commenting on today's page.

@美洲虎
Nice to have you on board. I hope you enjoy yourself here in the English comment section. Just a little reminder for the future. Please try to avoid leaving double posts (rule #9).


No, you're right. You have to remember that Vegeta fans are very well represented in DBM. So much so that sometimes you have to worry about whether you're being gaslighted or something.


Dude, you cut my comment in your quote, literally ignoring what I said after that. Are you trolling or what?

I read the first volumes of Dragon Ball much more often than the later arcs. But thanks for your advice. No need to be snarky here and subtly accuse me of not knowing or understanding the beginnings of Dragon Ball.

You can like Bulma as much as you want. It doesn't change my point of view that this woman picked fights with almost every character in some way, complained incessantly, and much more. She only worked so well in the beginning because, as you pointed out, she was a good contrast to Goku's character. 1 Replie(s)

Yes, it was.
Videl mentions using the Dragon Balls. Vegeta's first reaction is a condescending remark and the desire to kill XXI.
Videl mentions using the Dragon Balls a second time. And Vegeta's response is a remark about Videl's unwillingness to fight.

Videl does not explicitly mention reviving the children. But that is implied in her statement about using the Dragon Balls (when she says "even", meaning after using the wishes for other stuff, they can "even" try and go home to their universe). It would be crazy for Videl to just want to run away and leave the children dead. Vegeta, however, focuses solely on the approach of fighting XXI. The resurrection of the children plays no role at all in either of his statements. So, if the page suggests a lack of interest to revive the dead family members (due to poorly worded statements), then it is Vegeta.

He could easily have added in a byline that the children would of course be resurrected, but that XXI must be hunted down at all costs. But he didn't. 1 Replie(s)

Do you all remember how the entire fandom made fun of the idea that the heroes' victims would be mourned and their family members/friends would create unnecessary drama when everything could be undone with the help of the titular Dragon Balls? For decades, DB fans have been rendered unempathetic to the consequences of the actions in the series itself. Even DBM is guilty of this, because throughout the DBM tournament, the Dragon Balls were always portrayed as the solution to everything.

For the first time in a long time, we finally see someone reacting authentically and plausibly to the death of a loved one. It is not ignored, but actually woven into the current emotional state of the characters in the story. In fact, it's not uncommon in Dragon Ball itself for characters to react extremely emotionally to the death of friends, despite all kinds of supernatural supports such as 2 sets of Dragon Balls and friendships with gods that literally grant them contact with deceased characters. It is much more likely that it is the fandom mentality that wants to create a false image, but that is more theory than fact.

Videl and Vegeta are excellent in the confrontation. I literally love that Videl's and Vegeta's first real on-screen conversation is an argument. Just perfect. The downside, in my opinion, is that we can compare them to the others, who don't elicit such a strong reaction (Gohan, for example). It could be argued that the others are a little more composed, not as easily irritable by personality, and weren't directly triggered by something (after learning of the death of their loved ones).


Interesting comment. I agree with what you said.
Regarding the idea of the DB radar. What if #16 already had a DB radar integrated by Future Bulma? Sure, it doesn't make sense why U12 Bulma would do that. They never found out where New Namek is, and Earth has been at peace for a long time. But it would be a nice twist if #16, who unfortunately hasn't had much to do in DBM so far, were to be given an important role similar to both Piccolos. (Unfortunately, this idea reminds me of Gil from GT.)

Alternatives would be the Kaioshin or perhaps a Varga (Izy), who has a Dragon Ball radar or a general ability to find the Dragon Balls. These would be found and unfrozen by our group of heroes over the course of the story.


To show how people who are tense escalate the situation. We have already seen in this chapter that Vegeta held back an incredible amount of emotion when he saw his dead children. We didn't see it with U16 Videl, but we know that she had to find her daughter dead for the second time. Here, two paths were presented for where the story could go. Fight XXI, or get out of XXI's way. Both are valid points at first glance, but the way Vegeta and Videl present them causes the already emotionally charged characters to push the wrong buttons. I think this is exactly what the story needed.

Why is Videl so hostile? Because Vegeta suggests to her twice in a row that reviving the children is not a priority.
Why does Vegeta become SSJ2? Because Videl implies that he doesn't care about his children. The transformation is his answer, a no. Of course he wouldn't hurt her.
Why does Son Bra interfere? Because she literally only knows Vegeta from stories. He sees a stranger yelling at her sister-in-law. And from Son Bra's perspective, she might actually believe that Vegeta is willing to hurt Videl.
Why does it matter to Son Bra now? Because she wants to make amends for her actions in the MR arc, in her own way, by threatening to hurt someone else in an angry way. Sure, silly, however, it would be too much of a contrast if Son Bra suddenly underwent a 180-degree change in personality. What she does here remains true to her character.
Basically what @Girl Buu said.


Wait, what?
Could you explain that, please? Because, to me, Bulma is one of the most spoiled and annoying characters ever to appear in Dragon Ball. And she only improved after Namek. But 16-year-old Bulma is especially bad.


@Serpent God
Before I write an essay here, I 'll refer you to @AnyEdge's comment. I generally agree with it. 2 Replie(s)

Ich liebe es, dass Vegeta's und Videl's erstes echtes on-screen Gespräch ein Streit ist. Einfach Perfekt!


Zugegeben, Videls Sprechblase scheint etwas seltsam formuliert zu sein. Allerdings verwendet die Übersetzung eine viel bessere Formulierung als die englische Version, die noch verwirrender ist.

So wie ich es interpretiere, meinte Videl, dass ihre Gruppe, sobald sie die Dragonballs gefunden hat, ihre verstorbenen Familienmitglieder wiederbeleben kann und alle nach Hause zurückkehren können. Damit würde XXI erneut in einem leeren Universum gestrandet sein.

But that's precisely the point. On page 2581, Videl learned that Bra and Trunks from U18 had died. From Videl's perspective, Vegeta's priority is not to revive his children, but to seek revenge. That's exactly why she asks this cruel question. We readers and U18 know, of course, that this is not the case. Of course Vegeta wants to revive his children, but he also wants to bring those responsible to justice. 1 Replie(s)

It's pretty obvious that all three are tense and have extremely short fuses.

Videl wanted to take the easy route. Secure their victory with the help of the U1 Dragon Balls. This, of course, means reviving her family members and then returning home. Vegeta is seething with rage at the thought of not avenging his children. Of bringing those responsible to justice.

And Videl, in turn, has another good point. A head-on attack on XXI could fail and lead to their own defeat. From Videl's point of view, Vegeta is openly risking the resurrection of their deceased family members for the sake of revenge.

Of course, Videl's second sentence was unnecessary. However, this applies to emotionally charged people. Especially parents who have just lost their children. And I think it suits Videl quite well. She has always been temperamental and argumentative. A feisty women afterall. Modern DB wants us to believe retroactively that this is not the case just because she got pregnant. We also mustn't forget that this is U16 Videl. She only met Vegeta once at the World Martial Tournament, and only briefly at that. According to the plot, Videl never saw him again and afterwards only knew Vegetto as a family member for 20 years. Videl doesn't really know Vegeta except from the stories of others and what she saw during the tournament from U18 and U13 Vegeta. 2 Replie(s)

Dude, Son Bra is just in SSJ1. To show in a subtle way that Fusion-Born-SSJ1 is enough for Regular-SSJ2. You can already see Son Bra in panel 2. Videl and Vegeta argue and she isn't afraid to agitate him. Son Bra, on the side of her U16 Videl. And that reviving Pan is her priority.


But Vegeta also has his point of view. We just saw how he had to look at the bodies of his children and swore revenge. Everyone heard it and everyone accepted it... in the U18 group

I don't think Vegeta is wrong, per se. Sure, he's offensive, and he was the first to be so. Videl was just making a suggestion. It's not that she's a coward. But Vegeta, even if he's seeking revenge, killing XXI means eliminating the danger. If they just go home, there could still be a 1% chance that XXI will someday come and devour all their universes.

Oh God, I hope Vegeta has a retort or a little counterattack ready before Piccolo intervenes. I wouldn't like it if Vegeta was just silenced, by Son Bra like that. 3 Replie(s)

No, Gregory. Sometimes I forget that this small dark-green cricket is anime-only. ( Related to DB/Z ) 1 Replie(s)

Keine komplette schwarze Leere wie im Oirignal. Das ist unironisch ein interessantes Detail für DBM-Colors.

Sieht beinahe aus wie ein Piratenschiff, lol.

Wie mich dieser Haarstil triggert. :(

Damals fand ich das seltsam. Ich persönlich assoziiere den Schwebestuhl mit Freezer's erstem Auftritt, der laut DBM die dritte Restriktionsform ist, oder anders gesagt, die schwächste bekannte Form von Freezer. Unterbewusst habe ich mir immer vorgestellt, dass ein Frostdämon in seiner ursprünglichen/Orignal Form niemals auf einem solchen Stuhl sitzen würde. Natürlich auf einem Thron, aber der Schwebestuhl kam mir immer wie ein Affront vor. Der Weltraumdiktator, der alles beherrscht, aber sich zu schade ist, um seine Füße zu benutzen. Es wirkte fast immer absichtlich lächerlich, nicht würdevoll oder einschüchternd.

Sehr interessant. Die Handlung hat jetzt genügend Substanz. Beide Parteien sind auf der Suche nach den Dragonballs. Sehr aufregend. Die neue Arc kann jetzt richtig losgehen.

Leider sieht Panel 3 im Vergleich zu den anderen Panels und Seiten in diesem Kapitel visuell etwas schwach aus. Asura hat womöglich den Figuren außer Piccolo auf diesem Panel nicht die größte Aufmerksamkeit geschenkt.

Große Ironie wie Vegeta und Videl gerade jetzt zum aller ersten Mal on-screen miteinander interagieren, und beide sind aus verschiedenen Universen.

Ladies and Gentlemen. The very first interaction between Vegeta and Videl... ever.

Because the topic of universes in DBM has come up again. Here is a graphic that I find quite useful. It shows it in an understandable and simple form.

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Das stimmt.

Shenlong setzt sich aus zwei chinesischen Zeichen zusammen:
Shen = göttlich, heilig
Long / Ron = Drache

Heiliger Drache bzw. Göttlicher Drache sind somit vollkommen korrekt.
Das ist kein Zufall: Der Name ist eine direkte Anspielung auf den klassischen ostasiatischen (vor allem chinesischen) Himmels- bzw. Götterdrachen, der in der Mythologie als wohlwollendes, mächtiges und göttliches Wesen gilt – im Gegensatz zu den meist bösen, feuerspeienden Drachen der westlichen Mythologie.

Toriyama hat Shenron ganz klar nach dem berühmten chinesischen Drachengott (Shenlong) modelliert, der in der chinesischen Mythologie eine zentrale Rolle spielt. Ironischerweise hat die Dragonball-Version dieses Drachentyps die Inspiration bzw. das Original im Bezug auf Popularität quasi ersetzt. In solch einem Ausmaß, dass jegliche Internet-recherche dich oftmals eher auf die Dragonball-Version von Shenlong hinweist, als auf das Original aus der Mythologie. (Vielleicht etwas überspitzt, aber Dragonball ist eine beliebte Suchanfrage, haha)

Panel 2 sieht so episch aus. Ich kann die Spannung auf die nächste Seite spüren.

Ich mag den Titel ;)

Awesome! The setting gives nostalgic Toriyama vibes. The pointy hair tips are something special here. More than usual. I like it.

Ironischerweise war es U6, insbesondere Bojack und Zangya, die damals den Sieg von XXI in Runde 1 ansprachen, obwohl er, wie auch sein Gegner aus U10, nicht im Ring war. Hier ist es wieder ein U6-Mitglied, aber Bujin, der XXI's Auftreten anspricht.

Außerdem hat diese Seite endlich das Gerücht aus dem Weg geräumt, dass XXI, weil U6 sagte, er sei in Runde 1 nicht zu finden, längst weg sei oder gar nicht auftauchen würde.

Und noch etwas: Bujin ist jetzt allein, denn Zangya und Bojack sind derzeit tot, da sie in ihren Turnierkämpfen gestorben sind. Die perfekte Gelegenheit, um ungestört mit den Magical Girls zu reden. ;)

Sogar ein Augapfel flutscht raus, eklig. ... Genau wie ich Fancomics am Liebsten habe. Voller Gewalt xD
Nein, im ernst. Das ist eine gute Szene.

Gleich mal ein Foto machen, lol.

Die Frau steht ihrem Mann zur Seite. In guten wie in schlechten Zeiten.
... Ok, ich befürchte einen schlimmen Plottwist.

Neuer Fancomic, Yeah! 1 Replie(s)

I wonder if anyone will find out what the name Poran is based on.



As I understand the situation with Vegetto destroying XXI's stomach, it is comparable to U4, the final battle between Buugeta and Goku (Page 1022). Goku caused a huge explosion inside Buu in SSJ3, blowing up Buu's entire body and much of the surrounding area, even affecting Dende and Mr. Satan. Buu points out that if the explosion had taken place outside his body, it would have destroyed the planet.

That's how I imagine the situation here. Because XXI's Dragon Balls were stored inside his body, aka his smoke form, they were directly damaged by Vegetto's punch, whereas the U1 Dragon Balls were outside of XXI's body and therefore further away, which means the impact of the shock wave is different and also weaker. This means that the U1 Dragon Balls are still intact, but scattered somewhere.


Interesting thought. However, that would raise the question of why he doesn't use Babidi's Majin Enslavement Spell on all ‘evil’ people if he could copy it. 4 Replie(s)

Ha, XXI should have picked Izy as his servant instead. But seriously, why is Uuv the only one who refers to XXI as master?

It looks like Jeice knows the DBM comment section inside out. 3 Replie(s)

Ich lehne mich mal aus dem Fenster und behaupte dies ist das beste Cover von DBM-Colors. Und das wird vermutlich auch sehr lange der Fall sein. Die Details für Vegetto und XXI, die Animation natürlich, und die Power, welches dieses Bild ausstrahlt. Das könnte man als Poster massenhaft verkaufen. WoW. Großartige Arbeit. 1 Replie(s)

Touché


That's a well-thought-out explanation. Makes sense.

I am fascinated as to why Uuv is the only one who addresses XXI as master. We already saw in chapter 105 how he was influenced by XXI, but now I wonder how. Everyone else (U8, U13, U14) seems to view XXI more as a temporary ally.

Okay, that must have been a huge explosion. Since Vegetto and Gast were closest and were blown away, as we can see, I wonder if they survived. Or the subsequent giant spikes combined with the activation of the Life Skip. It wouldn't be too far-fetched to think that Vegetto's part of the Bardock visions might not take place now, but much later in another arc, after Vegetto is revived.

This page explains so much. We receive a great deal of information throughout this chapter. I am sure some questions that users had on previous pages will be answered here. 2 Replie(s)

Es ist so merkwürdig, Cooler in seiner Originalform zu sehen, der in einem Schwebestuhl hockt wie Freezer. 1 Replie(s)

We really don't know. We never get confirmation of what happened to Konats after Tapion and Minotia were sealed in the musicboxes and then scattered throughout space. Tapion just wonders what might have happened to his world after all this time.

Stimme ich vollkommen zu. Ich persönlich hätte allerdings dennoch andere Design für die Städte auf Konats ausgewählt.

Genau. Konats wird im "Dragon Ball Z – Der Film: Drachenfaust" erwähnt. Das ist der Planet von dem Tapion stammt. Konatsianer nennt man dementsprechend die Bewohner von Konats. Ähnlich wie man die Bewohner der Erde als Erdlinge bezeichnet.

How did you come up with that? That sounds so specific. Did Mr. Satan (as many speculate it's him) or anyone else in Dragon Ball ever show any interest in flowers or vegetation that you would protect with your own life? 3 Replie(s)

Ich bin mir ziemlich sicher, er denkt er sei der coolste. xD

This is such a cool artwork. Wow!

Wie der Vater, so der Sohn. Oh, das wäre so traurig. Chichi würde mitansehen wie ihr Sohn stirbt.

Der Typ hat irgendwie das typische Saiyajin-OC Aussehen. Der rote Streifen im Haar hilft da enorm ihn markant im Chraakterdesign zu machen.

Puff, und weg ist er.

Wenn Cumber nur mit Yamoshi und dem König kämpfen wollte, hätte er nicht einen offenen Krieg anzetteln sollen.

Ich habe mich seit langem an XXI's Design gewöhnt. Auch die Farben kennen wir seit längerem. Nichtsdestotrotz muss ich bei XXI's Tarnung als alter Zauberer immer an Piccolo Daimao denken, als er noch alt war. Es gibt genug Ähnlichkeiten finde ich persönlich um diese beiden zu vergleichen, haha.

I would like to corroborate what Stevethebarbarian stated. Old Kaioshin immediately recognized the smoke monster as XXI. Therefore, from the outset, it was XXI's intention to deceive all possible and potential individuals who might recognize him from other universes by disguising himself as an elderly man. In other words, XXI's disguise was successful. And it took far too long to reveal his true identity, so much so that Old Kaioshin no longer had enough time to devise a proper plan against XXI.

Da freut sich einer, mal wieder seine komplette Kraft in einem einzigen Schlag entfesseln zu können. 1 Replie(s)

We weren't inside XXI's stomach, but his stomach was outside. This explains why the arena disappeared and everyone was dispersed so far apart.

I think it's pretty self-explanatory for anyone who has been reading carefully. C17 and C18 did not ultimately break Vegetto's frozen body in the Life Skip, as one might have expected, because Vegetto teleported to XXI before South Kaioshin activated the Life Skip.

In case anyone is confused about what happened here. On Page 2520, Vegetto anounced that he would kill XXI. The very next Comic-Panel shows us South Kaioshin anouncing that he will intervene. And the panel after that shows us a black screen, suggesting that Life-Skip has been activated. Today's Page 2585 explains in great detail what exactly happened between Panel 3 and Panel 4 of Page 2520. Gast and Vegetto still acted before South Kai actually activated Life-Skip.

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Oh, die armen Konatsianer. Das scheint das unausweichliche Schicksal in allen Fanfictions über Konats zu sein. (Meine inbegriffen, lol) 1 Replie(s)

We don't know. A fanfic author can literally do whatever they want. Sayazur decided that Konats fell victim to Coola's conquests. 1 Replie(s)

Absolut. Herrlich wie man Film-Kontinuität irgendwie miteinbezieht. Und ich bin ein großer Tapion-Fan. Genau deswegen muss ich sagen, dass mir das Design für die Stadt nicht besonders gefällt. Es erinnert einfach zu sehr an leicht angepasste Variationen einer irdischen Stadt im Dragonball-Kosmos. 1 Replie(s)

Mir gefällt Okra immer mehr. Wenn sie bloß Team Aqua nicht beigetreten wäre. ;)
Nein, im ernst. Das ist eine tolle Seite.

Wow. XXI looks like a final boss with all that smoke, surrounded by many previous villains whom our heroes have already defeated once. Hmm, GT's Super 17 saga sends its regards, hehe. (Oh #18, sexy)

Really cool detail with the black XXI smoke around everyone, like an aura. That must be the protection against all magic that XXI talked about on page 2492.

The setting reminds me a bit of Animus Island from Assassin's Creed: Revelations. Especially the sequence: Doubts.

@Ashrak
Ich kann deiner Logik folgen. Allerdings muss man eine Sache bedenken. Falls XXI gewinnt, würde er mit Sicherheit zuerst die Universen angreifen und verschlingen, die noch im "DBM-Turnier" (in U0) vertreten sind und nicht zu seinen Verbündeten gehören. Um jegliche potentielle Bedrohung zu eliminieren. Die restlichen Universen im unendlichen Multiversum können danach verschlungen werden, denn sie werden es definitiv nicht erwarten, angegriffen zu werden.

Grubuu, Female Buu-Jin, Anju, Uub. So this is a group you would never meet under normal circumstances. Haha.

Oh nice, Paprika.

Ugh, Vegeta, du hattest eine 50/50 Möglichkeit. Ausweichen oder Zurückschleudern. Falsch gewählt. Haha

Ich muss sagen, diese Szene ist ziemlich cool.

Haha, die Death-Beam Referenz xD

Oh wow. Geniales Cover. Ich weiß den Aufwand echt zu schätzen.

Ach, immer diese Arroganz der Bösewichte in DB. Die haben mitangesehen wie ein Kamerad getötet wurde, gerade von diese Robotern, und dann kommt so ein Spruch.

Ah, die Nachspeisen sehen köstlich aus. In Farbe kommt das noch besser in Geltung. Und die Bildschirmfarben in den letzten Panels sehen unglaublich aufwendig aus. Aber die Immersion ist jetzt definitiv da, und das sieht wirklich wie das Bildschirm auf Freezer's Raumschiff aus. Echt cool gemacht von den Koloristen.

Remember when people assumed that Jeice's behavior when attaching the hidden camera was a hint that it might be Ginyu hiding in Jeice's body? Pepperidge Farm remembers. ;) 1 Replie(s)

Das zweite Panel hat wirklich eine Menge .... weiße Fläche. Die Größenordnung möchte man visuell verstänlich machen, aber ich bin eher etwas verwirrt. ... Nichtsdestotrotz, wirklich interessante Information über XXI.

Yes, you're right. When I wrote my comment, I probably subconsciously drew on my experience with this comment section over the last 12 years, rather than the last 12 days.


Pan simply wanted to be physically further away from the others. And involving Piccolo alone is much less embarrassing than telling several people. It's not rocket science.

Are those the Hallelujah Mountains from James Cameron's Avatar? xD

Nice transition from Gohan's question straight to XXI's answer. Nicely directed, since they're clearly in different places and talking to different groups.

Anthropomorphic wolf people. Interesting, Captain Yellow was a tiger man. I'm curious to see what role this furry will play.

Ich kann das Gefühl nicht loswerden, als ob es sich um eine Fusion zwischen Gohan und Vegeta handelt. Das Haardesign ist einfach schwer zu ignorieren. 1 Replie(s)

Oh nein. Das soll bestimmt die Mutter von Videl sein. Zu schade, dass hier Bezug auf Videl's Haarschnitt aus DBS genommen wird.

Vegeta mit solch einem Ego, dass er Neiz an derselben Stelle mit einem größeren Ki-Strahl durchlöchert, wo Piccolo's Höllenspirale bereits durch ist.

Cooler in der ersten Form. Sowas sieht man echt selten in Fanfiction. Sieht echt erfrischend anders aus, aber dann fühlt es sich auch irgnedwie bekannt an. Gutes Design.

Ich fand es immer brillant, wie Son Gohan nur deshalb einen Deal mit U13 Vegeta in Betracht zog, weil er sich sehr sicher war, dass die Saiyajins es mit dem alten Kaioshin auf jeden Fall irgendwie vermasseln würden. Er hat sie gut ausgetrickst.

Es ist irgendwie merkwürdig auf die DBM Potara Retcon zurück zu blicken. Jetzt, nachdem im offiziellen Dragonball selbst so manche Retcons diesbezüglich eingeführt wurden. Mal besser, mal schlechter. 1 Replie(s)

Son Bra's Gesichtsausdruck ist schon episch. Sie ist die Einzige aus dieser Gruppe, die Goku vor dem DBM Turnier nie kennengelernt hat. Deshalb ergibt es besonders Sinn warum sie am Meisten verblüfft ist, von Goku's Aussage. Sie kennt das eben nicht. Definitiv nicht in dem Ausmaß, wie bei Vegetto.

Huh, Tenshinhan ruft den Namen der Attacke, während er diese abfeuert. Natürlich kennen wir das mit vielen Attacken in Dragonball. Alerdings bin ich mir nicht sicher, ob das bei der Genkidama jemals der Fall war.

It seems as though the two Piccolos are the only ones in the group that we still can't visually distinguish from all the characters with alter egos. We have to fall back on good old “context” and the good old-fashioned approach that someone without context is probably addressing the Piccolo from their own universe.

I love it when DB stories don't forget that Videl can fly. Or, to put it another way, they don't make a big deal out of it when she flies.

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@jonathan_vik
This chapter is essentially the beginning of a new arc in DBM. It sets the tone for future chapters. What we can expect, so to speak. In other words, we can expect deaths among the heroes, which are treated with seriousness, but also a lightening of the mood with short but frequent humorous scenes.

Your mocking tone, the strong sarcasm, the criticism of the use of comedy in addition to grief, or your suggestion that some people's death is played for laughs. For a long time now, you've only been posting comments that question the very idea behind each new DBM page. Which is perfectly legitimate, of course. However, if you genuinely don't enjoy reading, as is evident from your comments (I'm not making this up, I simply read your comment history on your account), then I honestly recommend taking a break and not visiting the website so often.

I'm sure reading the entire chapter in one go at the end would suit you much better than complaining every day (yeah, I also checked that one) in the comment section about why this or that happened or didn't happen. I have heard from many people that they simply cannot get used to the web comic format and prefer weekly/monthly publications. That might be the better alternative for you personally. Thank you for your attention.


There have been many discussions and hypotheses about how some DBM readers would react if, hypothetically speaking, they were to read the original Dragon Ball manga in the same format as DBM for the first time. And the vast majority (in the forum or Discord) assume that the DBM complainers would also constantly complain about OG DB.
But as I said, that's just a hypothesis. 1 Replie(s)

I'm just a huge fan. And in general, when I read or watch something, I tend to remember it. :)


Now we have the opportunity to shed some more light on the relationships between the two universes. During the tournament, there were only a handful of (on-screen) scenes. Mainly because the fights took place one after the other. Now we have enough time to show how the characters interact with each other.


Okay, I see. Your first point was a little confusing, but you've clarified it now.


So what? U16 Pan is in the same group as U18 Pan, Goku, and Uub. That doesn't mean she's part of U18. Why isn't U16 Pan standing next to someone from her universe, such as her in-universe grandfather, Vegetto? ... Maybe because she wanted to be with her alter ego at that moment? Maybe because she wanted to be closer to her alternate grandfather before the fusion, for a change? If that's the case, why can't U18 Trunks do the same thing as Pan? Spend some time with an alternate father figure, for a change. Similar to Pan, a father figure he never met, but only knows existed.


According to your logic, if the person next to a U16 character is a clear indication that they must also be from U16, then what about the Pans? What about Gast standing inbetween both U12 characters. What about Gotenks standing next to Buu? What about Vegeta standing alone and not being a fusion between 2 universes, etc. You pick out a situation that lends weight to your explanation, but the other scenes with different characters are just a coincidence, mixed together at random? That's a textbook example of cherry-picking, if I ever saw one.


We are following the novel continuity in this debate. This means that U16 Trunks also knows the new fusion dance. In the novel, Vegetto memorized the new fusion dance between U18 Goten and U18 Trunks during the battle against ZenBuu, and then taught it to his U16 Goten and U16 Trunks during the secondary tournament, outside the stadium. That was literally the reason why both Vegetto and U16 Gotenks were disqualified in the secondary tournament, because they missed their fights because they were outside the arena rehearsing the new dance.
Btw, I also found this to be a silly novel addition, because it immediately negated the unique difference between U16 Gotenks and U18 Gotenks. That one version knows the better dance and the other doesn't. To be precise, in the novel, at the time of the MR-Arc, both U18 Goten and U18 Trunks, as well as U16 Goten and U16 Trunks, know how the superior fusion dance works.


I have to strongly disagree here. It's the least obvious thing in the entire DBM project (imo). It's the most confusing detail of all. It is much more obvious that Vegetto is treated as the main antagonist from the start, who will lose his temper at any moment, or that U9 Trunks and U9 Bulma are part or not part of the novel respectively comic continuity, or that Phipsil was supposedly present from the start of the DBM tournament in the DBM-Colored continuity respectively only off-screen in the regular comic continuity. etc.

The interdimensional version of Gotenks in the novel so far makes no sense to me at all, especially when we consider the MR-Arc aftermath. I find it hard to believe that anyone would look at Page 1827 and Page 1829 and say with complete conviction that it makes more sense for U16/U18 Gotenks to give this sermon against Vegetto than a full U16 Gotenks.

What does U18 Trunks contribute to the monologue that Gotenks delivers in the MR-Arc aftermath? U18 Trunks knows nothing about Vegetto and U16, except for what he learned during the DBM tournament, so he couldn't possibly express such a devastating opinion. Unless people claim that everything Gotenks said about Vegetto came from U16 Goten. But that raises the question of why not just U16 Gotenks from the beginning, where both U16 Trunks and U16 Goten have memories of Vegetto and their family. It kinda undermines U16 Trunks role as the son of Vegetto, if another version of him with no experience and memory of Vegetto have the exact same opinion and comes to the exact same conclusion.

interesting statement, I would add the following to your comment.

Hypothetical scenario.
A new user starts reading the DBM comic. However, this person has not read the novel, nor any comments on the website, including those by Salagir.
Honest question: would this new person assume that the Gotenks stranded on the asteroid is U16 Gotenks, or a cross between U18 Trunks and U16 Goten? Would this new person jump to that conclusion based solely on the comic?


That's why I explicitly mentioned multiverse travel. Only U1 can do that. This means that if a U1 Varga, a U10 Varga, or a U18 Varga uses the technology to travel to other universes, it would only work for a U1 Varga, even though all Varga variations would be biologically identical. This is a hard rule in DBM. Therefore, it is not so far-fetched to assume that fusions between universes also follow hard rules. It may not be the case, but that is exactly what one could have said about multiverse travel.


In this regard, I have a handfull examples.
— Uub uses magic to reattach his severed arm to his torso in the fight against Majin Buu in round 3. That happens in the novel, but not in the comic.
— Zen Buu shields any energy for the stranded fighters on the asteroids, so there's no way they can find the arena themselves. This happens in the novel, but not in the comic.
— U9 Videl and U9 Trunks tell us that they are married. This happens in the novel, but not in the comic.
etc.

If the creator had wanted a certain fact to be canon, the thinking goes, they should have included it in the work to begin with.
That's literal the case with 3 other DBM novel incidents.
The fanfic 'One Way' already covered the events of Future Gohan vs Future Majins in 2010, which was then told in revised form in 2013 in the Special Chapter 32. The same fanfic also covered the events of Mecha-Freeza & King Cold vs Z-Warriors in 2010. That was also sort of re-released in revised form then in 2019 in Special Chapter 71. And a third example. The main novelization of DBM showed a flashback in Chapter 3 (2009) of how U18 Vegeta, Goku, Gohan, Pan and Uub are in HTC and Vegeta ends up attacking Gohan to show how far behind he and Goku still are in terms of power level. This one chapter was retold in 2020 in Special Chapter 78 in an altered form.

I stand by my opinion that if the DBM team really wants to establish something from one of the DBM novels as canon, the most meaningful solution would be to introduce it in the form of the comic, which they have done in at least three cases. This can also be done in other places. And the ironic thing is that most of the details from the novel could be confirmed retrospectively with a single text box in the comic. In fact, in most cases, you wouldn't even need to use a whole page, just a single panel with a thought bubble/text bubble.


Yes, in the case of Piccolo, DBM will either have to do it as on page 1601, where extra text boxes are used to indicate which Piccolo is which. Or we will do it as in the first 1000 pages of DBM, where you simply have to figure out which is which from the context and the person standing directly next to Piccolo. haha 1 Replie(s)

I absolutely disagree with the notion of a Gotenks fusion between U16 Goten & U18 Trunks happened on the asteroid. Honestly I don't understand at all why this was added in the Novel when later an extremely important character related event happens between Gotenks & Vegetto.

Whenever something happens regarding the fusion that seems even remotely unusual, someone comments on it or at least acknowledges it.
— Gotenks vs Gotenks. Admittedly the first appearance, so understandable why there is more focus on the characters than usual.
— At dinner at the end of the first round. Gotenks wants to take Son Bra's bowl of rice. No one mentions anything, which we logically guess is U16 Gotenks, because it's the most logical thing to do in this situation.
— In the Gotenks vs Neko Majin tournament fight, all sorts of things are commented on. Regarding the fusion, Goten & Trunks personality, the rules, etc. So people yet have the urge to comment on stuff when it comes to Gotenks.
— In the tournament fight Gotenks vs ZenBuu. Piccolo is surprised at how the two merge into Gotenks. Later we get a panel with U18 Gohan, Goku & Vegeta who are amazed at Gotenks' new fusion dance.
— Chapter 63, on the asteroid with the stranded tournament participants. Gotenks shows up and once again acts like the big guy, only to be humiliated by Zen Buu, while the others watch this with amusement. Not a single hint as to whether there is anything out of the ordinary about the fusion. If it was a blend of U16 & U18, wouldn't that have literally been the perfect opportunity to showcase it at that moment? Any comment from anyone, Goku, Vegetto, Trunks, Pan, Buu, anyone? No? Doesn't seem to matter, I guess.

An event that has astronomical implications for DBM lore. Because a successful fusion between U16 and U18 members proves that fusions between people from other universes work. One could have simply introduced a hard rule about how something like this just doesn't work, (similar to the Multiverse trip that only U1 can do). Otherwise it says a Namekian fusion between Piccolo & Gast would be possible and the characters in-universe would know about it. Buu could have absorbed people from other universes, so far it's only been hinted that he wanted to, but with a U16/U18 Gotenks this theory would be much more steadfast as ZenBuu didn't want or want to absorb Broly. Potara fusions between characters from other universes, etc. This is so extremely important for future DBM plots that it would be harebrained to just let something like this happen off-screen. And no one ever acknowledge this event... ever.

So let's humor the thought it would be U16/U18 Gotenks on the asteroid. Just as a thought experiment. What would be the continuing implication? U16/U18 Gotenks would be the one in chapter 79, the one preaching a sermon about Vegetto, Son Bra and their family condition on page 1827 & 1829. For once, this is an extremely important personal situation for U16 and in the middle of it U18 Trunks, who makes up 50% of Gotenks. And absolutely no one thinks it deserves a mention that it's not a pure U16 fusion saying something like that to Vegetto.

Ey, don't get me wrong. The idea for interdimensional fusions is pretty cool, and I think DBM should seriously consider this route sooner or later. But I think this is an extremely important aspect that you can't just ignore and claim it happened off-screen. 3 Replie(s)

Oh, arme U16 Videl. Sie muss den Tod ihrer Tochter zum zweiten Mal verkraften. Zum Glück ist U18 Pan da, um sie wenigstens mit ihrer bloßen Anwesenheit ein wenig zu trösten. Genau wie damals auf Page 497.

Vegetto ist abwesend, aber das wussten wir ja schon aus dem letzten Kapitel. Und schließlich wird die Tatsache, dass Uub fehlt, erneut erwähnt. U18 war sich seiner Abwesenheit bewusst (Page 2161), aber es ist schön, es in dieser Situation noch einmal bestätigt zu bekommen.

Gotenks wird noch entstehen, so wie es aussieht, aber mit U18 Goten und U16 Trunks. Ich bin gespannt, wie sich das entwickeln wird. 1 Replie(s)

This is the second time in DBM that U16 Videl finds comfort in U18 Pan after her own daughter died.

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Try using postimages_dot_org. For me, always a reliable website.


That's right. If Gast has developed a counterattack like Piccolo, then it means that Gast is currently on the move with the U8 people. It's hard to say whether he knocked them out immediately or not. I can't imagine him negotiating with them or anything like that.


I like that idea. ;)



I understand your point of view. However, I would ask that we refrain from bringing up topics such as GT unnecessarily. :) 1 Replie(s)

Ich kann das Gefühl nicht abschütteln, als wäre Piccolo's "In der Tat" irgendwie herablassend gemeint. Als ob er sarkastisch andeuten wollte, dass sich niemand für die Ultras interessiert. 1 Replie(s)

Good idea to look for other Namekians first. At least they know that other Namekians would be able to do what Piccolo does, thus increasing their radius and chances of survival.

And funny about the filler episode. I don't think anyone in the comments considered that Piccolo should use Multi-Form or something like that.

But Pan is pretty observant. For the second time, she's the first to spot someone from another universe. She's making herself useful, which is great. 4 Replie(s)

@chiefdude
Please don't double-post. You can edit your (first) comment within an hour, and add quotes, etc.


You have a good point.
I always assumed that the characters were like glass statues during the life skip. Knock them over once and they shatter, similar to Piccolo's stone statue in the Buu arc. But I didn't consider that someone with a power level of #17/#18 or even #16 would be strong enough to smash an entire mountain with a single punch.

We can actually assume that the reason Vegetto's or Goku's bodies were so vulnerable in Life Skip is not because their bodies without Ki are fundamentally fragile like delicate glass, but because IKL and XXI are at least cyborg power level tier.

Accordingly, a simple fall would not immediately kill Goku in Life-Skip. So, hypothetically speaking, if Lunch were to hit Vegetto's frozen body, nothing would happen. It would have to be a planet buster to truly cause damage.

Let's see if this hypothesis proves itself in the long run.


Not at all. It was explicitly shown how IKL is stronger than #16 or ZenBuu's recharged #18. It's only Yamcha who had a chance because he was also a martial artist.

On page 2161, it was already mentioned that Uub will be absent for a longer period of time. U18 could generally show more reaction to the fact that Uub actually missed the rest of the tournament. However, they all know that he is currently absent somewhere. Hopefully, this will be addressed again, because in this case, where XXI conjured up this forest of thorns, it would be appropriate to remind U18 that Uub is indeed missing.

Btw, please don't write in all caps. Thank you.



That would certainly be within the realm of possibility. In fact, anything is possible now that the tournament is over.

Or Goku forgot to factor in some important variables ... like this ;) xD
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Ah, Goku, you're lucky. The logic behind IKL's technique so far has left enough room for interpretation that his fall didn't have to kill him.

The way I interpret the second part of the page is that the spiky forest comes from somewhere else, not from U0. XXI is clearly responsible for it. The spiky forest on this page is already much larger than the asteroid where the stadium for the DBM tournament was located (reference page 1567). This means that if the environment is now much larger and the tournament participants are now much further apart than they were while in the stadium, then this must mean that the new environment has also changed the proportions between the tournament participants.

I guess the forest of spikes not only fell from the sky, but also broke out from below like a volcano, spreading the area many times over. 2 Replie(s)

Ich habe mir auch die Kommentare im englischen Teil durchgelesen. Und ich denke, ich kann definitiv mit dem Gag-Moment leben. Viele Leute haben gute Argumente geliefert, warum es der Logik hinter der neu eingeführten Technik nicht wirklich schadet, wenn Goku nicht zerbricht.

Auf so eine Seite haben wir lange gewartet. Haha, echt super witzig. Mehr davon bitte.

Das liegt in der Familie, denke ich.

Die Roboter können keinesfalls irgendwas ausrichten. Hier werden die RR Soldaten problemlos durch sie hindurchschneiden wie ein heißes Messer durch Butter.