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iron leaf 6h , 53mn
So that’s why Poran would say that all the time (during the DBM tournament) when talking to XXI. Really consistent writing. I like it.

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iron leaf 1 dan, 6h
Poran is awesome. I wonder if, in future stories, he'll try to team up with the Z Fighters if the opportunity arises.
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iron leaf 1 dan, 9h
Wow, der Effekt für die KI-Attacke in Panel 5 ist unglaublich. Man kann noch die Laufbahn der Attacke am Effekt erkennen. Und das Blut hat auch mehrere Schichten an Rot-Tönen. Wirklich sehr beeindruckend.
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JasonPhoenix was saying:
Would a wish even be necessary? Back in the Buu saga just killing Dabura solved the problem, I figured killing his ancestor would be enough... Well it's just a nitpick anyways (he might not even be dead, just feels weird that XXI wouldn't eat him afterwards).

Universe being gone I wonder what the next course of action is. My best guess is he'll go after other "realms" like the afterlife, but I'm more curious if he'll do something more interesting, he is referred to as "the one who replaced the universe" at one point afterall.
It seems Hopocus isn't dead and I guess XXI will impison him like he did with the Dai Kaioshin.


Arkren was saying:
cool wish for this guy:

"make it so that i dont feel this hunger"

"make it so that i can always consume the same X of land to be full and it regenerates daily"

or something on those lines
Good idea, but I'm afraid XXI needs something like KI to truly feel saturated. He said something similar during the semifinal match against Gast. An empty planet probably wouldn't be the same as one filled with millions of living beings. 1 Replie(s)
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iron leaf 1 dan, 10h
Das Charakterdesign hat Steve (der Zeichner) richtig gut drauf. Allesamt sehen spektakulär aus. Zu schade, dass wir sie nie wieder zu Gesicht bekommen. Poran hat auch langsam einen echt witzige Persönlichkeit entwickelt. Allerdings kann ich ihn verstehen, der muss sich auf ewig mit XXI auseinandersetzen.
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How quickly did that spit stone spell get reset? That could easily give the nanobots in the Ultra Heloites’ bloodstream a run for their money, lol. Nevertheless, XXI would naturally use a wish to find a solution to the problem.

It seems like these figures are all Hopocus’ Demon Goons. Demon Lords, so to speak, who serve only the Demon King. And now that he’s been defeated, they’re trying their luck on their own. Just my take on it.

Fascinating, it only took XXI 26 million years to devour the Demon Realm, or maybe we’re just finding out now, since Poran has gotten pretty sassy, haha. I like it.
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"Fish out of water" Geschichte ab jetzt. Jetzt fehlt nur noch, dass er irgendwie verhaftet wird oder zufällig einen der andere Z-Fighters trifft.
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Echt hübsches Motorrad.
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Yamchu und Puar haben eine so gute Chemie miteinander. So wie Han und Chewbacca und viele andere Geschichten mit einer Figur und einem tierischen Begleiter. Echte Freunde eben. Einfach schade, was das Fandom und die Serie aus denen gemacht hat.
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Ach, die gute alte Videl. Genau so, wurde sie uns vorgestellt. Freut mich.
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Die Korruption des absoluten Bösen. Ha, ich habe mir schon immer vorstellen wollen, wie dieses Konzept visuell aussehen könnte. Ist ziemlich schwer, vom "Guten" korumpiert werden. Faszinierendes Konzept. Ich wünschte, wir könten mehr von U3 Oberteufel Piccolo zu sehen bekommen.

Das Cover ist auch wirklich süß. Mit dem Mädchen im Hintergrund, die von Piccolo anscheinend gerettet wurde. Quasi eine ungewollte, gute Tat vom Oberteufel.
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If they act fast, they’ll turn the spaceship around and get out of there as quickly as possible. Of course, they don’t stand a chance against an SSJ, but maybe Vegeta really is a little worn out.

They picked the absolute worst possible moment to return. Their master is dead, and the rival who might have hired them if they’d helped is dead. Just bad timing, haha. Also, nice call back to page 108. 1 Replie(s)
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Oh man, so ein Perversling. 1 Replie(s)
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Das ist doch ne Abzocke. 2 Wörter am Tag? Panorashi leidet bestimmt nicht an Aufmerksamkeitsdefizit-Hyperaktivitätsst­örung, Huh, würde das für ihn als ein Wort oder zweit Wörter gelten? Haha.
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Respekt an Vegeta. Das hat er wirklich grandios alles selbst geschafft.
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Einfach unglaublich atemberaubende Zeichnungen. Dieser Tritt ist so beeindruckend.
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This is the ultimate 'divine kick'.
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Dabura war anscheinend nicht der einzige mit so einer besonderen Fähigkeit.
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Your nickel was saying:
So why didn't he consume her soul the 1st time?

(apparently I can't write f-irst in a comment)
I think in this case, it can be explained by the fact that the Z Sword actually dealt damage to XXI. Since Lady Dai was already dead when he pulled the sword out, I suspect that XXI then set out to find the source of the power, namely Old Kai. And in doing so, he presumably left Dai Kaioshins' body behind. Perhaps she would have been consumed had she not landed a decisive blow with the Z Sword.


mulled_piss was saying:
are the ancient Kaios more powerful than the current ones, i can't ever imagine East facing this guy and not get devoured instantly
I suspect that the Kaioshins, in general, have always been on the same level. It seems more likely that XXI was much weaker back then, eons ago.


DrewSaga was saying:

I am surprised the Old Kai didn't try to seek out a strong warrior to do fusion with
The hubris of the Kaioshin believing that their species is superior to all others, to the point of not even considering other heroes or champions of other races as potential fighters against XXI. 1 Replie(s)
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Wow, by their second battle, XXI is no longer the size of a normal humanoid, but the size of a planet. It’s remarkable, and personally, I find it hard to even imagine fighting something that big. 1 Replie(s)
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I really like Lady Dai Kaioshin's design. She simply reminds me of one of my OCs, lol.

So, as I see it, it seems that in the DBM continuity, Enma Daio truly only grants permission for someone to return to the realm of the living (for a short time) in extremely rare situations. If we’re being honest, King Yemma didn’t even allow West Kaioshin and North Kaioshin to return for a day when Kid Buu was about to kill/absorb the remaining Kaioshins (South, East, Dai).


Ouroboros was saying:
King Enma being older then the Grand Kai? I don't buy it.
Well, he's an ogre. They're specifically associated with the Other World. Kaioshins, on the other hand, have their own realm. To be honest, that’s an interesting question: which came first, the ogres or the Kaioshin? Enma is in charge of the Check-In Station, which is where the souls of the deceased pass into the afterlife. That must have existed since the Other World was created. Kaioshin, on the other hand, are gods of creation. I wish DBZ had shed a little more light on that. 2 Replie(s)
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Es fühlt sich beinahe an, als würde XXI keine große Eile haben, alle diese Wünsche zu äußern. Für ein Wesen, der Millionen von Jahre lebt, scheinen 130 Tage wohl garnichts zu sein.
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Lady Groß Kaioshin ist wieder da. Sie erhält von Enma Daio die Erlaubnis ins Reich der Lebenden zurückzukehren, um XXI zu besiegen. Interessant. Leider wirft das die Frage auf, warum Enma das nicht auch für Nord Kaioshin und West Kaioshin erlaubt hat, als Kid Buu die beiden bereits getötet hat, und dann gegen die restlichen drei Kaioshin gekämpft hat. Ok, wir müssen wohl einsehen, dass es in der DBM-Kontinuität eine extreme Rarität ist, selbst beim Versuch das Universum zu retten, den Körper wiederzu erlangen und für eine kurze Dauer ins Reich der Lebenden zurückzukehren und den Übeltäter bekämpft.
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Die prähistorischen Namekianer sehen so aus, wie ich sie mir vorgestellt hätte ... nicht besonders anders als in DBZ. Ich frage mich, ob der Namekianer, der von XXI gegriffen wird, auch der Schöpfer von Poran ist. Höchstwahrscheinlich. Allerdings heißt es, dass XXI ihn nicht töten darf, sonst wird auch Poran vernichtet. Die folgenen Seiten werden bestimmt erklären, was XXI als nächstes tat. Ich finde es sehr aufregend zu sehen, wie es neben Porunga und Shenlong eben nun auch einen dritten Drachen gab. Dieses Konzept, noch viel mehr Oberältesten und ihre Versionen von Drachen und Dragonballs einzuführen, ist ziemlich cool. Zudem mag ich auch, dass U5 Poran im DBM Turnier sichtlich nicht so viel Macht hat, wie die anderen beiden Drachen aus DB. Poran ist sozusagen Teil der Anfänge der Namekianer und deren Magie. Würde mich nicht stören, wenn der Großteil des Flashback's die merkwürdige Beziehung zwischen Poran und XXI aufzeigt.
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仅是剑客 was saying:
So Namekians had another set of Dragon Balls before Porunga?

Also, if the creator of the Dragon Balls is gone, shouldn't they have turned back into stone?

What happened to the established rules? This is starting to feel a lot like GT.
The Namekian, who is arguably Poran's creator, is still alive on this page.
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What could be simpler than hiding the Dragonballs from unwanted use? Spend a wish on ensuring that the dragon grants wishes only to a single person. Yourself.
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The special will likely focus on who XXI devours after winning against the Kaioshin and how he comes to encounter the dragon Poran.
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Wie XXI die Kaioshin verschlingt ist wirklich angsteinflößend.
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Okay, the half-naked Kaioshin suggests that the divergence in U5 might have something to do with the former Grand Kaioshin. I wonder if she’ll also establish a connection between XXI and the Poran Dragon Balls. The cover is definitely designed to be very intriguing.
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Sehr faszinierendes Cover-Bild. Die ehemalige Groß-Kaioshin halbnackt tanzend, umgeben von Dragonballs. XXI hat seine Finger überall im Spiel. Als wäre das eines der Cover aus DBM-Colors. Unglaublich ambitioniert.
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Seggui, no! I really hope he’s not dead. To be honest, that would mean a lot to me personally. Even though it’s clearly implied that Seggui dies at the end, with his eyes completely white. But that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s actually dead. In CH43, Seggui supposedly died at Bojack’s hands, too. There’s still hope that he’s just close to death again here and will miraculously survive, like last time. That could definitely become a new running gag, with Seggui constantly surviving seemingly certain death situations. I respect Seggui’s perseverance, at least. A real roly-poly doll, even though he’s literally lying on the ground right now, haha.

I also like the little detail in the word choice. Seggui wants to see him hanged. Pirates were hanged in executions back in the day. A little nod to real-world history and the fact that Bojack is considered a (space) pirate.


Wraith was saying:
So snower was basically one of good frost demons huh, and he died from old age? I'm guessing he was very old at this point already then
I have to say, the text box at the end is a bit suspicious. The wording leaves room for speculation. He died in bed, but did he die peacefully? Did he die as an old man? I doubt it, because we know that Snower “disappears” at the age of 1,139. His father, Blizzard, was over 1,500 years old when he was killed in battle. Snower should actually have had enough potential to live at least as long as his father. I suspect DBM wants to wrap up the chapter but leave enough possibilities open to suggest what actually happened to Snower a hundred years later.


Tanren_kun was saying:
And there you have it. In the end, Snower wins it all! You could say he was the real protagonist, not Bojack. Thank you so much for reading this chapter, i hope you did enjoy it, even though Bojack is not really popular. I’d also like to thank Salagir and the DBM team for this great experience. If you have any question, feel free to ask.
Thanks again and take care. Peace!

Tanren-Kun
Thank you so much for all your hard work on this chapter. It was certainly a long-term investment. It paid off. Your art style is phenomenal. If I were to ask, what kind of guidelines were there regarding Seggui? For example, his armor. Was it specified that the scar on his stomach had to be covered? Did you have the freedom to develop the armor? The many OC characters like the Duke or the Jaykal scientists or the remaining Jaykal soldiers. Did you design them all? And with Snower, did you have the freedom to design his final form (aka 4th form) yourself, or were there guidelines from the DBM team for that as well? Because as someone who has read the Hanasia novel, including the fan art inside, including Snower’s, I was surprised for a moment by Snower’s appearance in this chapter. However, I’ve really grown to love his design here.


Michelrpg was saying:
Seggui... really. Who on earth was drunk enough to ever make you captain of anything when you have the critical thinking and survival skills of a pigeon?? Wounded, beaten, incapacitated... and THATS when you decide "hey let me grab this powerful dude's legs and threaten him".

You can't tell me this guy managed to tie his own shoes and breathe at the same time.
Yes, Seggui seems a bit crazy in this situation, thinking he can do anything against Snower. And I find this madness, which Seggui himself doesn’t even realize, a bit fascinating. I would have written some things differently regarding his personality at this stage of his life, but I’m not disappointed with DBM’s version. Seggui was certainly a respectable commander before the events of CH43. Bojack must have done so much damage to him, both physically and mentally.


Ashish Barui was saying:
Where is minicomic 17?
You must have misread that. It says “Mini Comic 77.” Basically, it's this explanatory page about Bojack in the various DBM universes.
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Hector Fenwick was saying:
I don't get it. What did he do when he snapped his fingers?
Frost demons are skilled in telekinesis. We saw that with Freeza. I suspect that Snower simply ripped the key components of Seggui’s armor, which had been added by his scientists and were essentially fused to his body, right out of Seggui’s body. Which is presumably intended to cause Seggui to bleed to death. Imagine X-Men 2 Movie, when Magneto rips out the metal form inside a man's body. 2 Replie(s)
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Your nickel was saying:
Come to think of it, Snower said the Frost Demons only destroyed one or two planets in the last 300 years. Was that the planet of the Jaykals?
No, they are literally on Planet Jayna right now. The home planet of the Jaykals aka Hera-Jins. See page 2653, page 2654 and page 963.
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Ich liebe es wie diese ganze Situation aufgebaut wird. Snower hat einfach sehr viele Informationen zur Verfügung und er weiß ganz genau wie er Leute so manipuliert, damit sie das tun, was er will. Ein genial guter Politiker. Nebenbei erfahren wir auch, wie alle 4 Kaios einige ihrer ikonischen Gegenstände und Outfitdetails eben durch korrupte Geschenke erhalten haben. ich finde das einfach so passend zu Dragonball.
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coolschweiz was saying:
Snapperzaff sagte: Wurde Bojack nun teleportiert oder weggepustet?
Wurden in den Planeten vom Kaio versiegelt
Um genauer gesagt dienen die 4 Planeten der Kaios als eine Art Barriere für das Gefängis. Etwas wie eine seperate Dimension. Sobald ein Planet zerstört wird, ist der gesamte Bann gebrochen. Allerdings müsste ich mich etwas weiter erkundigen, was die Einzelheiten angeht, wie viel von Toei veröffentlicht wurde, wie viel DBM selbst verändert und hinzugefügt hat. :)
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It’s really very satisfying to finally see the Kais seal the Bojack Gang. That was explained in the movie, and even back then I wondered how King Kai and his colleagues (who, mind you, can’t stand each other) managed to stop someone as powerful as Perfect Cell. This special and, more generally, the inclusion of the Frost Demon backstory in DBM, is not only thrillingly crafted but truly adds value to the DB lore. I also find it very impressive how Snower knows how to submit to the DB deities so as not to become a target himself. Unlike Freeza.
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Haha, they all received gifts from Snower. He talked to everyone and at least got them to take the whole Bojack thing seriously and even changed their minds. Snower, that brilliant politician. Doesn't surprise me; he pulled a “Palpatine” in the Hanasia Novel. He supported the rebellion while also serving his father, and in the end, he came out on top.
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supersaiyan2kakarot was saying:
Bribing a deity with a car, neat. I'm curious if "zenis" is the same as "zeni" (earth currency)? This page highlights what was said by some commenters, he does commit atrocities, but it is done at an controlled level, not planets being blow up left and right. It's not right, but I guess from a deities standpoint of the universe not as bad as someone like broly or kid buu running wild. It also reminds of the negotiation between raditz and elder kai.
Just like "DDDDD" mentioned in the comment section. There’s that famous saying: “Better an enemy you know than one you don’t.”

I think the Kaios would be better off having a tyrant like Snower as their adversary than someone like Bojack. You can’t negotiate, reason with, or properly manipulate the pirate. He doesn’t fall for the usual attempts at appeasement. He can cause chaos at any moment. We’ve already seen that when he kills his own crew members as soon as they show even a hint of defiance, backtalk, or insolence.

And you're right. U9 Old Kaioshin is also willing to negotiate with someone like Raditz when it comes to choosing the lesser of two evils.


SoyBear was saying:
Although one bit of world building this makes that I don't know is intentional; this is 500 years before Z-earth, and given that 4-wheel cars are still popular, and the flashbacks we get of older times like with Roshi, it's very safe to assume they were invented WITHIN the last 500 years.
Just a quick correction here. The Special and Bojack's sealing take place in the year 507. DBZ, on the other hand, is set mainly from the year 760 onward. The Bojack Gang is therefore (in U18) sealed away for only approximately 250 years.


Kururun was saying:
Freeza has scale and his day job is wiping out entire planets of their inhabitants for sale. To make this work you'd have to believe Snower was really just a chill dude who didn't do any of the space genocide real estate thing. It's not impossible but I'm not sure this is the intent.
So Snower has at least partially kept the promise of peace he made in the Hanasia novel. For 400 years, since he became Emperor, he has not expanded his empire. Admittedly, at the time of this special, about 300 years have already passed since he began conquering planets again. Jayna is, of course, a good example. Unfortunately, we don’t know the exact details of what Snower’s conquest campaigns looked like, but I’d guess that his methods differ from those of Cold and Freeza.


Super Gojita 3 was saying:
ok. I can appreciate this, as it makes the last page less contrived.

but it does still beg the question "if the 4 kaios can seal up people like bojack, why not cell? or other people of that rank in terms of strength?"

Thats 2 questions, actually.

perhaps the kaios can only seal so many away, and the bojack gang was their limit, and had they not been sealed, cell could have been sealed as well.

I'm actually curious, can kaioshin do this? or other gods?

I feel like they could, but these kaios trained to do this maybe, so thats why the kaioshin can't.
I’ve long wondered why the four Kaios only sealed the Bojack gang. The out-of-universe explanation, of course, is that the creators of the Bojack Unbound movie simply threw this ability of the Kaios into the plot without really considering the consequences for the world-building.

In-universe, I’d propose two theories.
First, the Kaios can only use this ability to seal someone once. If they want to do it again, they have to clear out the prison. Think of it like a Poké Ball. Once you’ve caught a Pokémon, you can’t use the same Poké Ball to catch a wild Pokémon again. Not until you release the captured creature and free up space.
The other theory is that the sealing process draws on the Kaios’ life energy. This ability can be so taxing on them that a second attempt to imprison someone in a new prison could cost them their lives. (Similar to Mafuba.)


Darius was saying:
Knowledge of the Kai wasnt special. As the position of kami isn't just one on earth. King Kai at least in the Japanese script said that he was god over planetary kami. So it wouldn't need witches when you could just talk to random gods of each planet. Even with that it was never stated that baba was the only witch. Infact you saw a witch that was on the Supreme Kai planet. That's how old Kai fused with a witch.
You're absolutely right about the witch in the realm of the Kaioshin. I agree with you. However, even though a lot of fanfiction promotes the idea that the deities are widely known throughout the universe and among the general populace, that's not how it's portrayed in DBZ itself. It’s still treated as if knowledge of the Kaios and Kaioshins is limited to those who are either connected in some way to a planetary Kami or possess knowledge of the Other World. And you’re also right that the Kaios could theoretically make contact with mortals at any time, but my point was more that a mortal could initiate contact with the deities on their own, without having to enter the Other World themselves.


Philsdesign was saying:
How is King Kai already on his mini-planet with his car? That planet was Bojacks seal and he hasn't sealed him yet

That said, the whole sealing needs a better explanation as to how it works because the Kai's are below Nappa in terms of strength yet can somehow seal a whole group of beings far stronger then Frieza and who's leader is close to Cell

And politics or not, why not just seal the Frost demons too. Polar might not be blowing up planets but he's still committing mass genocide wiping out entire civilizations and then selling the empty planets (maybe drop a line that Beerus ordered this because he believes this race will produce a suitable future God of Destruction, which does happen since he thought Frieza could potentially being his succesor)
The Bojack movie doesn't explain how the Seal connects to Kaio's planet. It just states that it does. Kaio's planets existed even before they sealed Bojack. And they've always been that small.

Every single sealing in Dragon Ball, whether through technique or magic, has always involved a weaker character sealing away a stronger one. I don't understand why this should suddenly be so different for Bojack and Kaio compared to the standard in Dragon Ball.
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Da auf der aktuellen Seite etwas ausführlicher auf Snowers familiären Hintergrund eingegangen wird, dachte ich, ich würde eine Grafik mit Freezers Stammbaum posten, die vielleicht etwas Klarheit schaffen könnte, falls jemand die Details aus dem Hanasia-Novel nicht mehr auf dem Schirm haben sollte.

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Ich bin ein großer Fan von der heutigen Seite. So viel Lore kompakt vorgestellt. Wir erfahren tatsächlich woher Meister Kaio sein Auto her hat, lol. Figuren außer Bibidi/Babidi und die Z-Fighters haben Kontakt mit den Gottheiten (Kaios - Kaioshin) des DB Universums hergestellt. Es gibt außer Uranai Baba auch andere Hexen/Wesen mit der Möglichkeit mit "Other World" zu kommunizieren. Der Inhalt aus dem Hanasia Novel wird quasi zusammengaefasst. Eine Begründung warum ausgerechnet die Frostdämonen unter Snowers Herrschaft eine gegünstigte Behandlung erfahren dürfen. Und die allgemeine Politik, die zur Entscheidung führt Bojack und seine Bande zu versiegeln wird erklärt. Das ist spitzen Dragonball Inhalt. Bitte mehr von sowas.
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Since the current page goes into a bit more detail about Snower's family background, I thought I'd post again a graphic showing Freeza's family tree (DBM Canon), which should clear up some confusion in case anyone has forgotten the details from other specials about Frostdemons and the Hanasia novel.

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But of course it makes sense that Snower communicated with the Kaios beforehand, as was hinted at on page 2651. It’s a truly brilliant idea to frame the backstory for the North Kaios’ precious car as a kind of bribe.

One thing that has always bothered me in Dragon Ball is the implication that Uranai Baba is supposedly the only entity in the universe who represents a concrete connection between the Mortal Realm and the Other World. And, of all people, she’s Master Roshi’s sister (how convenient). It would be perfectly logical to assume that there are a large number of witches in the universe who can establish contact with Enma Daio. To be honest, I found it incredibly biased that, yet again, an ally of the Z-Fighters possesses such an enormously helpful ability. But if there were enough witches in the universe who possessed such an ability, then I think it’s more than plausible that a calculating galactic emperor would somehow learn of such a witch and recruit her. Snower used the Duke as a sort of spy to ultimately find out where Bojack was hiding. I wholeheartedly welcome the fact that a logically acting antagonist would also exploit the advantages of the Other World for his own benefit.

You have to ask yourself: does it really make sense that, throughout the history of the universe, only Bibidi and the Z Fighters somehow learned of the existence of the Kaio/Kaioshin? Over the course of millions of years? The very fact that there’s a rule allowing deceased warriors to return to the realm of the living for a day suggests that, aside from Goku, Earth, and the witch Baba, there must be other planets, other heroes, and other witches.

And I love how the last panel basically confirms the content of the Hanasia novel here. Haha. Yeah, Snower is one of the few Frostdemons who came to power through skill and manipulation. The Rule of 2 is mentioned verbatim, which in DBM at least explains why the last Frostdemon family clans ultimately had only two children each (or got eliminated by not abiding to the rule). And it also explains why Frostdemons do occupy a privileged position in the universe, so to speak, among the deities. The powerful work together to maintain the status quo they have achieved. Let's rig the 'game' so newcomer cannot reach that same level. That's probably Snower's biggest achievement here. 3 Replie(s)
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An incredible twist that I really love. Snower apparently planned this from the very beginning. We can assume that he set this in motion around page 2651. He involves the Kaios so that, as deities, they take on their responsibilities and maintain the balance of the universe.

Snower’s choice of words is also incredibly clever. Essentially, Snower isn’t condemning Bojack’s power, but rather his intention in how he uses it. Snower’s power developed naturally, and he cultivated it over time. That shapes one’s personality. Unlike Bojack, who received his power suddenly, into a vessel filled with a destructive mindset. Bojack destroys; Frostdemons administer. That is why I suspect the Kaios respond to Snower's plea.


SSJ2 Your Nick was saying:
Now... I know we're only going by what the movie established... but a bunch of Sub-Raditz tier deities sealing up people ranging from USSJ2-Cell Tier? That's... a stretch.

Cuckoo Bananas Crazy was saying:
We just going to pretend that power matters when someone is using a sealing spell? Literally every character in this franchise who has been caught in one has been stronger than the person who trapped them.

kcheeb was saying:
i still dont understand

how 4 weak kaios with 3000 power level each can do anything to cell jr / cell level characteres

shouldnt they be vaporized by aura alone

MATTIA IL DIVINO was saying:
Much as I may dislike the idea that weaklings like the Kai Kings (beings weaker than Nappa) could seal away a gang of this caliber

When it comes to sealing, regardless of power level, I have to agree with “Cuckoo Bananas Crazy.” In all notable cases of imprisonment, it has always been weaker characters who have tried to trap stronger opponents using a technique or magic.

Master Mutaito, Muten Roshi, and Tenshinhan were clearly weaker than Piccolo Daimao, but they either managed to or nearly succeeded in sealing Piccolo with the Mafuba. Bibidi sealed Buu inside his cocoon millions of years ago, and the wizard was certainly weaker than Buu. The Konatsians, thanks to their magic, sealed the Kaju Hirudegarn, who clearly has at least an SSJ2-tier power level, inside the bodies of Tapion and Minotia, who are most likely not very strong.

So I have to wonder why, of all groups, the powerlevels of the users of a sealing tactic should be relevant in the case of the Bojack Gang, when they aren’t in the other cases.


King Kindred was saying:
I don't think the Cardinal Kais should've intervened here. It's weird that they let intergalactic tyrants reign free, but stop a small group of individuals for defending themselves against them.

They should've intervened after they went around the galaxy ransacking the place like the pirates that they are.
I think that’s an interesting point. Here’s how I see it. The Frostdemon Empire under Snower might represent stability. Even though it’s led by a family of tyrants, at least the main planet on page 2650 seemed to me like a functioning society. Bojack, on the other hand, seems like a plague of locusts that destroys everything in its path and leaves nothing but scorched earth behind.

Ironically, the Kaios have already intervened in the affairs of mortals once before because of Frostdemons. The Hanasia novel mentions how, many generations ago, Frostdemons multiplied too rapidly and devastated entire planets due to their internecine wars. The Kaio suggested to the Dai Kaio that the species not be completely eliminated, but rather that their spread be curbed. This is why the “Rule of 2” was introduced. Each Frostdemon is to produce only two offspring. And Snower seems to have adhered to this, which is likely why he enjoys the Kaio’s favor.


Kururun was saying:
It's introducing too many concepts imo, just like the future timeline being shown to the reader means it makes less sense.
Suddenly, the Kaios can teleport and seal that guy. Even though Kaio couldn't even make Goku return to Earth on the spot and Goku needed to run the snake's road again. Not sure how Snower could go to the afterlife in the first place, it's not like Freeza's family knew about Dragon Balls or gods.
I see it differently. Weaving together established lore enriches the world-building. If you actively argue the opposite, aren’t you subtly admitting that the problem lies more with the original than with DBM?

As for the Kaio's teleportation. I agree, that does seem strange. However, I have to ask myself: How did Goku actually get back to Earth after training with King Kai? He took the Snake Way back to the Check-in Station at Enma Daio, and there Kami basically picked him up, and they both “teleported” to the Lookout. How exactly? Is it ever explained? If not, there’s a possibility that every Guardian of a planet has a connection to Enma Daio. What if you could travel from Enma Daio to any place in the universe, provided the Guardian of that planet was present? What if the four Kaios met at Enma Daio and, from there, traveled to the planet Jayna with the help of that planet’s Kami? 1 Replie(s)
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Auf diesen Moment habe ich lange gewartet. Der Zeitpunkt, in dem die Bojack Gang versiegelt wird. Ich mag die Tatsache, dass Snower es quasi in die Wege geleitet hat. Wie genau das passiert ist, werden wir wahrscheinlich später erfahren. Allerdings passt es gut zu seinem Charakter aus den Hanasia-Novel.

Das Problem, das DBM angehen muss, ist, warum die Kaios diese Versiegelungstechnik bei Bojacks Crew anwenden, aber bei niemand anderem. Ein Problem, das DBM von Dragon Ball geerbt hat. Denn der Bojack-Film erklärt nicht wirklich, warum Meister Kaio sich in die Hose gemacht hat, als Goku erwähnte, dass er auf dem Planeten Namek gegen Freezer kämpfen wolle. Obwohl er die Bojack-Gang aus erster Hand miterlebt hat, eine Gruppe, die sich als stärker als Frieza erwiesen hat. 1 Replie(s)
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Physalis' Reaktion im Jenseits:

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Er glaubt er ist Messi. Auf dem Feld bewegt er sich kaum und wenn, dann nur in den Momenten, wenn er brilliert. 😂
Yamoshi Story page 191
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Er mag den Geschmack von Schokolade nicht. Ein Bösewicht durch und durch. haha.
DB RED page 89
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Ich glaube ich erkenne einige Referenz Szenen aus dem Dragonball Manga. Ich müsste die einzelnen Panels mit dem Original vergleichen. Definitiv aufregend gestaltet auf den letzten Seiten.
Kakodaiman: the Return of Cashman!! page 72
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Die Kampfchoreographie ist unglaublich gut und die Präsentation fängt es perfekt ein.
Kakodaiman: the Return of Cashman!! page 71
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Infernape2244 was saying:
Ich frag mich nur wie es noch dazu kommt dass er zu so einem Schwätzer wird.
Das frage ich mich auch. Ich vermute, nach dem Tod seiner Frau, wendet er sich immer weiter seiner Rolle als Champion, so sehr, bis ihm das Rampenlicht zu Kopf steigt.
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Nani!? was saying:
Hat Vegeta den Move schon mal gemacht? Kommt mir irgendwie so vertraut vor...
Ja. Nachdem Cell seine perfekte Form erreicht hat, kämpfen Vegeta und Cell gegeneinander. Während des Kampfes wendet Vegeta genau denselben Tritt an, wie er hier gezeigt wird. Das ist eindeutig als Anspielung gedacht und spiegelt in gewisser Weise eine bestimmte Ironie wider. Da dieser Tritt hier gegen Cooler einwandfrei funktioniert, wendet Vegeta denselben Tritt später gegen Cell an, was jedoch völlig fehlschlägt. 1 Replie(s)
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Einfach majestätisch. Was für ein Genuss, das alles in Farbe zu sehen. Ein großes Dankeschön an das Kolorierungsteam. 1 Replie(s)
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Ok, das ist interessant. Darauf sollte sich der Comic weiter konzentrieren.
Kakodaiman: the Return of Cashman!! page 70
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Bulma's Mutter als junge Dame. Sie sieht hübsch aus, wie immer. Haha
Kakodaiman: the Return of Cashman!! page 69
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Chilled wird wie die Ausgeburt der Hölle behandelt, aber mit dem Mörder seiner Frau will er immernoch lieber weiter diskutieren, als zur Strecke zu bringen. Yamoshi hat mal interessante Prioritäten.
Yamoshi Story page 190
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Wie prätentiös sich selbst einen Gott zu nennen. Yamoshi, Bro, bleib auf den Boden der Tatsachen.
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Infernape2244 was saying:
Ok das man hier den Zenkai Boost berücksichtigt finde ich tatsächlich sehr gut. Mal schauen wie überlegen Vegeta gegenüber Cooler wirklich ist.
Aber wenn Saiyajins auch nach dem Erreichen des Super-Saiyajins noch Zenkai-Boosts erhalten können, warum haben sie dann während des Android-Arcs bzw. Cell-Arcs keine bekommen? Warum haben sie den Zenkai nicht in einer Endlosschleife ausgenutzt? Vergleichbar mit Krillin, der Vegeta mit einer Ki-Attacke niederschlug, während Dende ihn direkt danach wieder heilte. 1 Replie(s)
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37 mal. Alle Fotos insgesamt oder an einem Tag? haha
Super Dragon Bros Z page 248
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Bell, vergiss die Kommandantin. Sie ist es nicht wert.
Er hat also ein ganzes Jahr überlebt, und somit länger als all seine Vorgänger. Es liegt eine leise Melancholie darin.
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Zurück zu den Grundlagen.
Early dayz page 94
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Endlich! Ich wollte diese Seite schon immer mal in Farbe sehen. Freezer in der 5th-Form sieht wirklich gut aus. So ähnlich habe ich ihn mir eigentlich vorgestellt. Was wäre, wenn Freezer, genau wie sein Bruder, eine zusätzliche Transformation hätte. Und hier ist sie. Das ist definitiv viel innovativer, als ihn einfach nur goldfarben anzumalen.
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Das hat diese Seite wirklich enorm viel Hype generiert. Ich wollte schon immer wissen, wie Freezer's 5.Form aussehen würde. Ähnlich wie sein Bruder, aber doch etwas anders. Und die Farben, dieses Detail wie Freezer und Cooler leicht abweichende Aura-Farben haben.
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Jeder Varga hat andere Farben, haha. Alles so bunt.
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Wirklich nett mal alle drei Frosdämonen gemeinsam in ihren Base Formen zu sehen. So kann man sehr gut die Farben vergleichen.
Ich kann mich auch noch erinnern, damals wurde Cold in seiner zweiten Reduktionsform gezeichnet, was später eben geändert wurde zu dem, was wir jetzt sehen.
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Ich muss zugeben, ich hatte das Filmplakat zu „The Sixth Sense“ zuvor noch nie gesehen. Deshalb wäre mir diese Anspielung von selbst nie aufgefallen. Allerdings möchte ich hier auch meine Anerkennung aussprechen. Es ist eine brillante Idee, gerade diesen Film als Cover für den Turnierkampf zu verwenden. Am Ende ist es Vegeta, der stirbt. Er steht seinem eigenen Geist aus einem anderen Universum gegenüber. Und darüber hinaus wird Vegeta ständig mit „Geistern“ konfrontiert.
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Ich vergaß, Son Bra bittet Piccolo erneut um die Trainingskleidung.
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Darius was saying:
My only problem with the technique is that its limits and effects are pretty much not properly defined. The saiyans killed them to quickly to know just how well the energy bonds work. Like trunks gets sapped of his strength then instantly transforms again to catch vegeta so is it sapping his energy or just his stamina. Likely it only drained energy and not stamina because gohan and trunks instantly returned to Super saiyan in the next scenes of them getting caught by it. Then on the other scale since the hera-jin never really recieve that much damage in-between each fight we don't know how much they actually recover from absorbing that energy. Hell we don't even know if they were getting stronger because of the binds because gohan pretty much one-shots them. The only thing we do know is that pushing more power into the threads breaks them so no mecha cooler nonsense.
Interesting points. I would say that users of the Psycho Thread don't necessarily absorb the victims' energy. It's perhaps a bit like barbed wire: the more the victim struggles against it, the more harm they inflict on themselves. 1 Replie(s)
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SS3 was saying:
Man, I wish Snower kills Bojack here, why do I like him so much compared to Bojack despite us being introduced to him in this chapter
Everyone is more likable than Bojack. Many are so blinded by their hatred for the character Bojack that they refuse to see or even recognize, the meaning behind his role. Bojack is simply a bully who was lucky enough to gain incredible power. He exploits this power just as someone who never deserved it would. That’s exactly what makes watching Bojack so frustrating. It perfectly mirrors the opposite of other characters who worked to gain and cultivate their power. Bojack, accordingly, meets a pitiful death, just as he deserves.


UltraExtream was saying:
I guess things are not so chill for Snower now that Segui is out of the game for good this time.

Snower is having his Oh @#!& Moment.
The bead of sweat on his cheek does indeed seem to suggest that Snower is nervous. Perhaps he was counting on Seggui to take out at least a few of Bojack's crew members before he himself is eliminated.


ChrisOfChaos was saying:
I wonder how strong this frost demon is compared to Frieza.
That’s actually interesting to know. There are some details we know for sure. Snower is 1043 years old at the time of this special. Freeza was 192 years old during his battle with Goku on Namek, at least according to the DBM continuity. We also know that Frostdemons become stronger as they age. Additionally, each new generation of Frostdemons has slightly greater potential to be stronger than their parents at the same age.

This very topic was discussed in the commentsection on page 2675. It wouldn’t be too far-fetched to claim that Snower is currently slightly weaker than Perfect Cell, or at least about as strong as a Cell Jr. We’ve at least seen Snower fight Bido. And in the movie, we saw that Bido, together with Zangya and Bujin, was able to keep Post-Cell-Games SSJ1 Son Gohan at bay and corner him.


Frartan117 was saying:
SS3 was saying: Man, I wish Snower kills Bojack here, why do I like him so much compared to Bojack despite us being introduced to him in this chapter

In the novel he was a máster mind kind of characters. He didnt take high risks so him being fvcked here is out character. Dont mis understand me, i am not saying he has a plan B here or something, just that its a bad way of killing him.
Now that you mention it, Snower really was a super manipulative guy in the Hanasia novel. He played everyone like a fiddle and got the best outcome for himself. It would be way too naive of Snower if his only trump card were a revenge-seeking Seggui. Snower didn't send Cold away for no reason. There has to be more to it than that. 2 Replie(s)
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Das ist nun wirklich der Gipfel der Respektlosigkeit. Bojack eliminiert Seggui einfach in seiner Base-Form, ohne auch nur hinzusehen. Doch der ehemalige Kommandant der Jaykal-Armee ist selbst schuld. Mit besserer Planung und stärkerer mentaler Kontrolle über sein Trauma in Bezug auf Bojack hätte er hier vielleicht nicht unbedingt den Sieg errungen (da Snower ebenfalls eine wichtige Schachfigur ist), aber er hätte zumindest eine Chance gehabt, den Kampf zu überleben.

Und dann verwandelt sich Bojack doch noch, um sich Snower zu stellen. Oh, der arme Seggui. In Bojacks Augen hatte er es nicht einmal verdient, von Bojack in der Verwandlung ausgeschaltet zu werden. Allerdings muss ich mir in Bezug auf die „Psycho-Thread“-Technik eine Frage stellen. Im Film entzog diese Technik dem Opfer so viel Energie, dass sowohl Future Trunks als auch Son Gohan aus ihrer Super-Saiyajin-Form in ihre Base-Form zurückversetzt wurden. Warum ist das bei Seggui nicht passiert? Hätte er nicht in seine Grundform zurückverwandelt werden müssen, nachdem er so lange von den Fäden gefangen gehalten wurde? Oder soll sich die Herajin/Jaykal-Verwandlung irgendwie von der Saiyajin-Verwandlung unterscheiden? Vielleicht zerbreche ich mir den Kopf bei der Suche nach einer Antwort, obwohl dieses Detail von Salagir oder Tanren_kun vielleicht gar nicht berücksichtigt wurde. 1 Replie(s)
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Die 'Psycho Thread' Energiebänder sind einfach unglaublich coole Attacken. Im Team kann man tödliche Kombination einleiten. Im Film haben wir auch gesehen, wie Future Trunks und Gohan dagegen nichts ausrichten konnten. Lediglich ausweichen oder eben mit einer neuen Transformation (,die soviel stärker ist) alles weghauen.

Ich bin sehr erfreut zu sehen, wie Bujin und Zangya kommentarlos perfekt zusammenarbeiten. Genial gutes Teamwork. Zu schade um Seggui, der so einfältig in diese Falle tappt. Aber es passt im Moment zu seinem Charakter. Er ist zu sehr in Raserei verfallen, um klar denken zu können.
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One of the coolest techniques in all of Dragonball.


FearfulDivine was saying:
Here comes the energy binds
I've always found this technique really fascinating. It’s a pretty effective restraining attack. I think the only ways to counter this attack are either to dodge it long enough until you get close enough to the user, at which point the attack can’t be used successfully, or to be several power levels stronger and break through the threads, like Gohan did in the movie when he unleashed his aura in Super Saiyan 2.


supersaiyan2kakarot was saying:
Can't deny, the bojack gang synergy seems to always be on point.
I completely agree with that. The Bojack Gang is widely considered a contender for the title of best teamwork among villain teams in all of Dragon Ball. Ironically, it’s their boss, of all people, who is the loose end that ruins their teamwork.


Your nickel was saying:
Come to think of it, we never did find out how they came up with this Energy Bind technique, did we? Most of them seem to just know it
That’s an incredibly good question. It’s true, we never found out how this technique came about. In the wiki, it’s called “Psycho Thread.” But ultimately, I can live with that. Technically speaking, we’ve also never learned “how” Piccolo developed the Special Beam Technique, or how Krillin invented the Kienzan, etc.

But one question remains unanswered. Is the Psycho Thread a species-specific technique of the Jaykals/Herajin, a technique that, in principle, anyone can learn, or perhaps even exclusively linked to the Jaykal Super Soldier Experiment? If it’s the latter, the technique would be exclusive only to those who participated in the experiment. And that would mean that an extremely small number, well under 100 people in the universe, would be able to use the technique. (That would be an interesting point for future Herajin/Jaykal OCs) 1 Replie(s)
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Das letzte Panel ist wahrlich unglaublich. Seggui's Charakter ist meiner Meinung nach sehr faszinierend. Eigentlich schade ihn nur in 2 Kapitel zu sehen.
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Seggui has some unresolved issues with Bojack. I advise him to face his traumas and... oh, no, Seggui, not like that. Oh no!

Haha, but that’s exactly how I would have portrayed him, too. Someone who is so obsessed with destroying another person that they end up destroying themselves in the process. And someone who loses it at the slightest provocation. Apparently, just seeing Bojack in person was enough to make Seggui snap.
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I'd appreciate it if people in the comment section would not ask when the special will end, or ask about other specials, or question the artists who chose to draw the special in the first place. Comments like that will be deleted without warning.

The special is long, but don't worry, it will still end during May. However, so people aren't confused later, a flashback chapter will follow, not the next main chapter.

We’d like to remind you that this comment section is intended to focus primarily on the page in question. If you’d like to engage in more in-depth discussions about DBM, such as potential events in specials from other universes or something different, I recommend visiting the DBM Forum or DBM Discord. There are threads and channels specifically created for that purpose. 1 Replie(s)
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Bido ist angespannt, Snower ist amüsiert, Zangya's Gestik und Pose ist erstaunlicherweise apathisch im Vergleich zum dem Inhalt was sie sagt, Bujin ist ausnahmsweise angepisst und Bojack, er ist einfach nur Bojack. Echt schade um Yakichi.
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Yakichi! No!
A truly ruthless kill by Snower. He demonstrates his absolute superiority over him. You can also see the incredible difference in power between Bido and Yakichi. Both are in their transformed states, yet he offers one a job while he mercilessly slaughters the other. I do like Snower’s portrayal, though, even in the Hanasia novel, he managed to win over former allies of the rebellion against his father. He seems to know when to recruit someone and when not to.
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Die Interaktion zwischen Gokua und Seggui ist ziemlich cool. Die Spannung baut sich weiter auf, und wird wahrscheinlich seinen Höhepunkt erreichen, wenn Bojack letztendlich ins Geschehen eingreift. Er, Zangya und Bujin sollten früher oder später aus den Trümmern rauskommen.

Für jemanden, der Seggui als OC mag und die Grundidee schätzt, dass die Geschichten der Frostdämonen und der Herajin im Grunde miteinander verflochten sind, ist dieses Kapitel eine großartige Ergänzung zur übergeordneten Hintergrundgeschichte im DB(M)-Universum. 1 Replie(s)
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Seggui is pretty hardcore here. Back then, I always hoped for some interaction between Gokua and Seggui. Of course, we didn’t know at the time that Seggui would survive CH43, but when we got the backstory for Gokua’s sword from the Bojack movie in DBM, I knew that Seggui would never forgive Gokua if he were still alive. And lo and behold, Seggui is alive, and he’s giving Gokua a good beating for simply snatching his sword—the sword of the Herajin/Jaykal commander.

This page really radiates an aura of "Z-Fighters who keep fighting the villains for as long as they can until Goku triumphantly steps in and saves the day". It’s unbelievable to get that same feeling with the Bojack gang. Haha. 1 Replie(s)
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It’s interesting to see how worried Gokua is. We can see a drop of sweat on his cheek. How ironic that one of the last remaining members of Bojack’s gang runs into the guy whose sword he took. Seggui seems pretty triggered at the sight of Gokua, haha.
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Ah, das wird also ein 3-vs-2 Szenario. Seggui scheint von Gokua's Anwesenheit getriggert zu sein. Ha.
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Ratzfatz ist der Palast von Slug Geschichte. Cooler hat alle die Zeit lediglich kein Interesse an Slug's Territorium. Haha, wer hätte das gedacht.
Vegeta Tales page 110
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Er muss jetzt schnell handeln und Videl erklären was er meint, denn sonst wird sie mit einem gewissen Hass in sich weiter aufwachsen.
Early dayz page 89
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Sie sieht aus wie Kid Bulma aus "Jaco the Galactic Patrolman" ;)
Kakodaiman: the Return of Cashman!! page 68
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Ironischerweise, immer Piccolo derjenige mit den richtigen Entscheidungen, wie zum Beispiel das Training zu beenden, bevor 48 ernsthaft verletzt wird. Das ist natürlich ein Hologramm, aber ausgerechnet das Programm mit Piccolo beendet das Training.
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Ach ja, Chilled ist auch noch da. Immerhin macht er es spannend.
Yamoshi Story page 187
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Je länger sich der Kampf hinzieht, desto mehr gebe ich Yamoshi die Teilschuld für all den Schaden, den die bösen Saiyajins angerichtet haben.
Yamoshi Story page 185
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Wow. Yakichi and Seggui could both be in commercials for hair care products. Just look at those manes.


MUI was saying:
How the heck is this possible? Bido just did the upgrade, so he should he as strong as he was in Bojack’s movie. Wasnt Bido going toe to toe with post Cell games arc SSJ Trunks and SSJ vegeta? How is Snower here superior to Bido?
Because Snower is most likely stronger than Freeza in DBZ right now. Why? In DBM lore, Frostdemons grow stronger with age. Snower is currently 1043 years old. In comparison, Freeza is only 192 years old during his battle against Super-Saiyan Goku on Namek. 1 Replie(s)
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Jetzt gehts los! Seggui vs Yakichi. Bido vs Snower. Gute Ausgangslage. Die Kämpfe können beginnen.
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Echt schade, wie genau diese Szene mit Goku später quasi von U19 als Kollektiv entweder vergessen oder ignoriert wird. Denn im späteren Verlauf der Geschichte tun viele so, als wäre Son Bra die Einzige in der Lage für U19 das Turnier zu gewinnen. Und das finde ich leider etwas schwach inszeniert. Darüber hinaus bin ich ein wenig von der uneinheitlichen Darstellung der Rückseite der Ultra-Rüstung enttäuscht. Leider bin ich persönlich ein großer Fan von U19 oder zumnindest von der Idee hinter den Heloites, und deshalb fällt es mir eben auf. Die Kolorierung selbst ist natürlich toll und hebt die Seiten von Ouv in seinen ersten beiden Kapitel extrem auf.
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Was für ein Skandal, Bra nennt Eleim einen Idioten. Wie gemein. Naja, zum Glück benutzt sie kein schlimmeres Vokabular in dieesm Fall. ... Haha.
DBMultiverse Colors page 538
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In hindsight, I find Eleim’s explanation a bit confusing. Because what he’s describing is their home planet, Tregor. The Heloites later emigrate to the sunless planet Helior and install the space ring around the planet, which generates light. We know this planet as Helior. It is attacked by Kakarot and Raditz in U13, for example, in CH50 and CH52.

This means that the potential danger posed by the Carbonite-contaminated planet Tregor actually exists across multiple universes. According to DBM lore, this Carbonite planet exists in this form in almost all universes, including U18, aka the DBZ universe.
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Die Panels 4 und 5 kommen in „Colors“ besonders gut zur Geltung. Die Weite des Weltraums und die Bedrohung durch Carbonite sind visuell atemberaubend.
DBMultiverse Colors page 537
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Ich mag die Effekte in Panel 1.
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Panel 5: "Der Spruch ist nicht gut gealtert." Haha
DBMultiverse Colors page 535
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Da Satan nach seinem Sieg beim Budokai nun im Rampenlicht steht, muss er jeden öffentlichen Auftritt sehr sorgfältig abwägen. Er will sicherlich ein gutes Vorbild sein. Ob er damit nicht versehentlich bei Videl ein falsches Bild erweckt?
Early dayz page 88
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Videl mit einer vollkommen verständlichen Reaktion.
Early dayz page 87
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Wie lange wartet er eigentlich schon darauf, bis jemand kommt, um seinen Damm für ihn zu bauen?
Super Dragon Bros Z page 244
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Die Zidane Statue hat umheimlich viele Haare auf dem Kopf. Da stimmt was nicht. Haha.
Super Dragon Bros Z page 243
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Es scheint, als hätte Cooler Slug schon seit geraumer Zeit im Blick, da er dessen Ki gezielt anvisieren und für Teleportationen ausnutzen kann. Ich vermute, dass Cooler vorhatte, Slug bald selbst auszuschalten, aber als Prinz ergriff er nie die Initiative, und nach dem Tod seines Vaters war er aufgrund der Bedrohung durch Vegeta wahrscheinlich voll und ganz mit dem Saiyajin beschäftigt.
Vegeta Tales page 109
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Slug geht immer. Es ist eigentlich nicht so schwer ausgerechnet den Super-Namekianer in Fanfiction einzuführen.
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Seggui doesn't beat around the bush. Transforming immediately to eliminate the traitors. Bido and Yakichi for deserting, the scientists for even daring to enhance Bojack, and destroying the enhancement chambers.

I think Seggui might have gone a little crazy after all. We'll see, maybe he was planning to kill Snower too while he was at it.
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Who is Seggui?
That’s hard to explain, since we only have one chapter featuring this character. From my perspective, here’s what I think. At first, he comes across as a cool Captain America-type character. He was willing to do anything for his people, but from a military standpoint.

Personally, I’ve come up with my own headcanon about what could have been done with him.

In my fanfic, he survives; the other surviving Hera/Jaykal military personnel put him in a healing tank, and he pulls through. He becomes obsessed with how Bojack ruined everything. The Hera/Jaykal military is in ruins, with resources largely depleted. Seggui wants to hunt Bojack down and take him out “himself”. Since he sees the criminal as the main reason they failed to seize their best chance to kill the Frostdemons (back in CH43). Seggui hates Bojack so much that he may jeopardizes the survival of the Hera-Jin/Jaykal in the long run. Everyone insists that he is overreacting, that his obsession with Bojack, which he prioritizes over Snower and his sons, seems downright insane. Seggui goes rogue and pursues his plans on his own, but from his perspective, he is doing the right thing.

From Captain America archetype to Knight Templar archetype. In my own story, this is a central point, as Seggui slowly evolves from a hero into one of the story’s main antagonists.

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Sergio was saying:
was it really nessacary to replace the arm... i wonder if he is going to have a tei pei type canon
Replaced? I think it's more like a suit of armor, not a robotic arm.


supersaiyan2kakarot was saying:
Ayashi was saying: The dude allies himself with the demons to kill the ones who prevented him from taking revenge against the demons?
Is it just me, or is this dude retarded?
It probably a "means to an end" for Seggui, while he doesn't like the idea of working with the frost demons, it was the only way he could think of at the time to get revenge on Bojack. It also doesn't help that several members that were under his command (Bido for example) renounced loyalty the second he lost to Bojack and left him and their people to die, probably made him bitter to be honest.
I completely agree. We mustn’t forget what happened on page 978.

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Bido immediately swore allegiance to Bojack the moment Seggui was defeated. And in Chapter 43, we even see someone with long hair standing next to Bido, it’s quite possible that it’s Yakichi. So in that regard, Seggui’s statement would actually make sense. Bido and (perhaps) Yakichi were part of the Hera/Jaykal army and deserted immediately. Only to spend years plundering as space pirates. It wasn’t the plan of Bojack's gang to fight Polar. They just went too far and basically pissed off the Frostdemons.


MATTIA IL DIVINO was saying:
I’d read that as well, but it struck me as a bit odd that they could truly be twins. I agree it would make King Snower all the more exceptional; however, Polar appears markedly superior to Cold for a supposed twin—both in sheer size and in his ability to control his own power.
You make a good point. Polar in his Base Form aka 4th Form doesn't seem to have any problems, whereas Cold loses control the moment he transforms into his Base Form, as we see on page 919. Now I'd really like to learn more about the brothers.


DDDDD was saying:
Yeah Seggui is literally a worse traitor than Bojack lol. At least Bojack actually intends to smash the Frost Demons- if admittedly for self-interested reasons- and will likely just terrorise the galaxy while leaving the Jaykals alone after this. Seggui is actively helping his sworn enemies to commit genocide against his people, in order to get revenge on one specific person. Hell, Bojack's only real "betrayal" was breaking out of a facility where he was being enslaved and tortured, and then not going out of his way to fight the Demons. Seggui, by contrast, is actively violating his professional oath! This plot probably needed a second draft; then again, the last time we saw Seggui, he was conducting experiments on unwilling prisoners (including children) with no remorse, so I guess he might have just been a selfish evil idiot from day one. Looking forward to seeing Bojack cave this sanctimonious hypocrite's skull in.
For a long time, I speculated that Hera/Jaykal are, at their core, quite aggressive, expansionist, and radical. In fact, Jaykal’s army might even have become an oppressive regime in the galaxy itself if it hadn’t been for the Frostdemons. Which, in turn, could explain why it was so important to Snower, Polar, and Cold to conquer Planet Jayna of all places, because the Jaykals/Herajins were likely the only ones in a very long time who stood up to the Frost Demons as a collective.

This reminds me a bit of Attack on Titan:
The Jaegerists (a radical splinter group within Paradis/the Scouts) become an extreme threat. Some members of the old Survey Corps join forces with former enemies (the Warriors/Marleyans) to stop them, despite years of hatred.

Jaegerists = Bojack's Gang
Paradis Eldians = Jaykal/Herajin Army
Marley = Frost Demon Empire


kcheeb was saying:
did u draw those seggui urself

looks rly nice
Thanks for the kind words. But no, I just can't draw to save my life. I should have credited the artists. I've added that in the edited comment now. 1 Replie(s)
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Haha, es ist also Seggui. Er hat überlebt. Und genau das finde ich unglaublich faszinierend. Ich habe seit langem überlegt, wie es wäre, wenn er tatsächlich überlebt hätte. Sogar einen eigenen Fanfic zu diesem Thema ist in Produktion. Einfach nur surreal für mich persönlich Seggui tatsächlich am Leben zu sehen.



Picoz was saying:
Snower muss wirklich überdurchschnittlich stark sein.
Sonst hätte sich ihm Seggui trotz erlangter Verstärkungsform sicher nicht unterworfen.
Da stimme ich zu. Wir wissen Snower ist 1043 Jahre alt in diesem Spezial. Also bereits Jahrhunderte älter als Cold oder im späteren Verlauf der Geschichte Freezer und Cooler. Und wir wissen, in DBM-Kontinuität, wächst das Powerlevel eines Frostdämon kontinuierlich an mit ihrem Alter, (auch komplett ohne Training). Je älter ein Frostdämon, desto stärker.

Es ist also nicht alzu abwegig zu behaupten, Snower sei im Moment auf ungefähr Super-Vegeta oder Cell Games Cell Jr. Powerlevel-Tier. Das würde aber nicht viel bringen, da allein Bojack's Handlanger (Bido, Gokua, etc.) bereits ungefähr so stark sind wie ein FPSSJ aus der Cell-Arc. In einem 1vs1 Kampf hätte Snower vielleicht eine Chance, nicht aber gegen mehrere. Und das ist eigentlich die Trumpfkarte der Bojack Bande, sie kämpfen im Team (oder zumindest können das sehr gut, wenn sie im Team kämpfen).

Was Seggui angeht. Ich bezweifle ernsthaft, dass der akribische, kalkulierende Snower (aus der Hanasia-Novel) es nicht bedacht hat, was passieren könnte, wenn er Seggui stärker macht als sich selbst. Seggui muss stark sein, keine Frage, aber definitiv nicht stärker als Snower. Die einzige logische Erklärung warum doch, wäre es, wenn Snower eine Art Trumpfkarte in der Hinterhand hat, um Seggui auf der Stelle auszuschalten, falls er sich gegen ihn wendet. Für mich aber sieht es eher so aus, als würde er Seggui als Kanonenfutter ausnutzen.


Fluxx was saying:
Leute das ist mal ne echt geschmeidige Überraschung. Ich gebe zu, dass mich das Bojack Kapital nicht so richtig interessiert, einfach weil ich die Figur an sich nicht mag.eigentlich hat mich nur der abartig gute Zeichenstil bei der Stange gehalten. Aber das Kapitel wurde Seite um Seite immer besser und hat mit dieser Seite einen unerwarteten Höhepunkt erreicht. Ich bin total überrascht und freue mich riesig auf die nächsten Seiten. ich bin mal gespannt, was sie aus dem guten Seggui herausgeholt haben. Der Groll bei ihm muss tief sitzen, dass er sich sogar den Feinden angeschlossen hat.

Die Nebenstory würde mich auch mal interessieren, wie es dazu kommen konnte ;-)
Also mich fasziniert das alles wirklich sehr. Mir ist bewusst, dass ich wohl zu den wenigen Menschen gehöre, denen die Bojack-Specials tatsächlich gefallen. Aber Seggui wieder einzuführen, ist sogar für mich überraschend. Nicht, weil ich mir das nicht hätte vorstellen können, sondern weil genau das passiert, was ich in meiner eigenen DBM-Spin-off-Fanfic geschrieben habe. Ich sitze wie angewurzelt da und warte gespannt darauf, wie sich das alles entwickelt – ob es nun so kommt, wie ich es mir vorgestellt habe, oder nicht.
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