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Oh, was für ein netter Effekt in Panel 7. Gefällt mir sehr.
DBMultiverse Colors page 501
Oh, armer South, er weiß noch nicht, wie sehr die Leute später seine Autorität buchstäblich missachten werden.
DBMultiverse Colors page 500
Aha, Dirty Fireworks didn't completely pulverize and dismember U18 Vegeta's hand, unlike what happened to Saibaman back then in DBZ. So, for the DBM continuity, we can conclude that if you are stronger than the user of Dirty Fireworks, you can survive the attack and won't lose any body parts. You'll just be very seriously wounded.
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brolyhater was saying:
What do you think something like that would look like? Would Vegeta's hand be as badly injured as Gohan's arm when he saved Vegeta from Cell's beam in the Cell arc? Or would it be more like Dirty Fireworks, where Vegeta's hand partially collapses in a graphic manner and blood gushes out, comparable to someone blowing off a hand with a shotgun? On a different note, Vegeta is absolutely not letting Pan die. He'll probably force his hand out to stop the attack, injuring his hand in the process.
mAc Chaos was saying:
We don't know for sure. The Namekians at their base camp can heal people, and this one (His name is Luska) might be able to as well, but we don't know yet. However, that wouldn't help at the moment anyway, as Namekians apparently cannot heal and use the Life Skip counter at the same time. This was introduced on page 2624. Can this Namek heal?
Thiln was saying:
That could be used as an argument, but personally I don't place too much value on the classic Freeza Force Armor. It was said how good the armor was supposed to be, but in practice it never did much good. It's comparable to how in Star Wars the stormtroopers are an elite unit, but their armor can be pierced by simple spears and arrows.A minor detail but something that could be pointed out is U13 using his gloved hand to block the attack. Vegeta is technically wearing armor there. It may have blunted some of the impact. Without the glove, that might have left a deep laceration to the wrist instead.
Dolca was saying:
Ironically, U18 Pan is one of the few characters in the DBM ensemble who has never died yet. So she dies a second time then?
UltraEgo was saying:
I am delighted to announce that the DBM team has decided on a name for the Namekian here. Mr Nameless Namek, you better be of the healing type.
It's, "Luska".
Autschmenno was saying:
U13 Vegeta führt gerade die "Dirty Firework" Technik aus. Unsere Hinweise darauf, wie diese Attacke funktioniert, stammen von Saibaman und Kiwi, die in DBZ von Vegeta getötet wurden, und in DBM von Son Bra, die Piccolo tötete, sowie von Cell, welcher Cell Jr. #1 getötet hat. In allen Fällen sah es so aus, als ob der ganze Körper auf einmal auseinanderfiel. Es gab nie einen Hinweis darauf, dass es vom Herzen ausging oder etwas Ähnliches. Explodiert jetzt Pans Herz?
Ryuzaki_Doragon was saying:
Wenn du die Kienzan meinst, dann liegst du leider falsch. U9 Krillin tötete Sauzer mit der Kienzan im Turnierkampf auf Seite 149. Oder Gohan. Im MR-Arc feuerte er eine Maxi-Kienzan auf Babidis Wohnung ab und tötete dabei Bardock (Siehe Seite 1575).
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Wie ich gesagt hatte.. in Multivers stirbt keiner dadurch
Kalenz was saying:
Her best! 😉
What's Pan even doing here?
Ryuzaki_Doragon was saying:
Ich glaube nicht, ob Salagir das ernst gemeint hat. Denn die U8-Namek-Geschichte wurde nach dem Kampf Krillin gegen Sauzer veröffentlicht, und in dem Turnierkampf sehen wir die deutlichste Darstellung, die es je gab, wie ein Körper durch ein Kienzan zerstückelt wird.
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War das im Namek Spezial aus Freezers Universum nicht vermerkt gewesen, als krillin die auf Zarbon schmiss, dass die kiezan bei den Multivers storys keinen tödlich verletzen kann?
Mir gefällt das Detail, bei dem der Kienzan nur einen kleinen Schnitt verursacht. Das deutet darauf hin, wie groß der Kraftunterschied sein muss, damit die Wirkung des Angriffs so gewaltig abgeschwächt wird.
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Kaio K was saying:
Makes sense to me. Far too often we have seen people who are much stronger than others tank attacks as if it were nothing. The fact that the Kienzan causes damage at all speaks volumes for the incredible effectiveness of this technique when the power levels of the opponents are closer to each other.Looks like a SSJ level Kienzan can’t be lethal to anyone SSJ3 level or higher
Of course, one could mention the case of Krillin vs. 2nd Form Frieza. I would argue that the discrepancy in power levels between SSJ1 Pan and SSJ3 Vegeta is vastly greater than that between Krillin and Frieza. Which is why the Kienzan did chop off Frieza's tail. If we take the filler scene with Krillin and Cell here for further comparison, it paints a better picture that a large enough power level difference diminishes a Kienzan's effect.
Northeal was saying:
A logical train of thought.I like that the kienzan isn't treated as some ultra move that can kill opponents hundreds of times stronger than you. Have it be strong enough so that characters can injury those above their weight class like the KiKoHo, but if it could literally kill anyone then it would feel foolish that not literally everyone is using it.
Just like Zenkai for Saiyans who have already reached SSJ or other various technique combos such as Kamehameha + IT. If it were really that simple, everyone would have used it at every opportunity.
Let me add another DBM example. Cell and Cell Jr. #1.
I think Pan is experiencing what it feels like to be her grandfather ... her other grandfather. Haha.
I love and admire her dedication though. That's exactly what you'd expect from the next-gen Z-Fighters.
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I love and admire her dedication though. That's exactly what you'd expect from the next-gen Z-Fighters.
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Zol was saying:
Touché. 😂iron leaf was saying: I don't think we've ever seen so much blonde hair in a DB panel. Haha.
Well, in the Cell Juniors' fight, there are several panels with at least 3 Super Saiyans in the same panel.
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But if you want to count, on this specific page, we actually have 4 blonde people in just 1 panel! Although 3 of them are quite far back (it's the middle panel).
So technically we have a panel by Akira Toriyama with more blonde people on it, although you might not count them because this panel has the blonde characters more in focus.
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Well, in the Cell Juniors' fight, there are several panels with at least 3 Super Saiyans in the same panel.
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But if you want to count, on this specific page, we actually have 4 blonde people in just 1 panel! Although 3 of them are quite far back (it's the middle panel).
So technically we have a panel by Akira Toriyama with more blonde people on it, although you might not count them because this panel has the blonde characters more in focus.
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Okay, but what about DBM without DBZ?
kcheeb was saying:
Okay, that's funny, of course, and could really pass as a mini-comic, haha. uhh still think this is what he should have done lmfao
honestly would be really funny and anticlimatic lol
maybe some one can draw as parody page or sth later
honestly would be really funny and anticlimatic lol
maybe some one can draw as parody page or sth later
Nevertheless, I would like to mention that it would probably turn out as Sodapopinski already mentioned in the comment section. As soon as U13 Vegeta attacks either the Namekian or Pan, hypothetically speaking, U18 Vegeta would immediately attack his counterpart. And since Dirty Fireworks leaves you briefly open to attack after successful delivery, that would be the end of U13 Vegeta, as U18 Vegeta would take advantage of that without batting an eyelid.
We mustn't forget that U13 Vegeta doesn't yet know who or what is responsible for the trio surviving the Frozen. In his PoV, it could be a technique, it could be an object in the pocket of one of the three. Of course, 1/3 is already a good probability to guess correctly, but it's not a certainty.
Ich bin ein großer Fan dieser merkwürdigen Situation. Es ist nicht einfach 1-vs-1, sondern es gibt einen Twist, durch den unser Vegeta einen enormen Nachteil hat, den er irgendwie überwinden muss. Ich liebe auch den SSJ3-Schlagabtausch. So etwas haben wir in DBM noch nicht gesehen. SSJ3-Tierkämpfer, die miteinander kämpfen, gab es schon, auch wie sie gemeinsam gegen jemanden anderen kämpfen. Allerdings noch nicht, wie sie gegeneinander kämpfen.
Allerdings muss ich eine kleine Kritik äußern. Auch wenn mir der Haarwirrwarr aufgrund der vielen Action-Linien, der vielen Haare und der Effekte sehr gefällt, erkenne ich nur schwer, was sich gerade im Bild abläuft.
DB Multiverse page 2634
Allerdings muss ich eine kleine Kritik äußern. Auch wenn mir der Haarwirrwarr aufgrund der vielen Action-Linien, der vielen Haare und der Effekte sehr gefällt, erkenne ich nur schwer, was sich gerade im Bild abläuft.
Ich weiß es wirklich sehr zu schätzen, dass Loopwhirl und Nedwook unterschiedliche Haarfarben haben. Das macht es doch ein bisschen einfacher. In der Schwarz-Weiß-Version musste man immer darauf achten, wie sich die Haarspitzen kräuseln.
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Ryuzaki_Doragon was saying:
Oh, das habe ich falsch formuliert. Verzeih. Ich meinte, auch wenn wir nicht sehen, wie sowohl Buu aus U4 als auch Buu aus U11 mit demselben Bannspruch versiegelt werden. Sehen wir zumindest, dass der Zauber tatsächlich bei Buu noch wirkt.
Hab ich irgendwas vergessen, aber wann wurden beide buus betroffen, da der Dicke bereits in seinem Universum war, als Zenbuu eingesperrt wurde
Je mehr Zeit vergeht, desto mehr Gelegenheit hat Cumber, sich an Yamoshis SSJ anzupassen. Geh in die Offensive und lass den Mörder deiner Frau nicht alles tun, was er will – auch wenn du ihn retten möchtest.
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Die Farben stechen echt gut heraus. Es sieht so minimalistisch aus. Das hat ein gewissen Flair.
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foiopaulo was saying:
That's a really interesting thought. It would fit in with DBZ, where Gero collected samples from Goku's battles. The idea of developing a counterpart for each Z Fighter sounds very exciting.
I was thinking that maybe, if Red Stripe is a Goku clone/android hybrid, wouldn't the wolf be one version of this with Yamcha cells, and the mime one a version of Chiaotzu..?
Just food for thought.
Just food for thought.
I don't think we've ever seen so much blonde hair in a DB panel. Haha.
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So nebenbei, ich finde die Architektur in der Hauptstadt ziemlich interessant. Sie sehen etwas anders aus, als die Gebäude auf Freezer's Planeten.
Vegeta Tales page 79
Xicor was saying:
Was ist, wenn keiner von beiden gewinnt? Vielleicht eine Art Doppel-K.O.Also ich sage voraus, dass Vegeta gewinnt.
Dann stehen Pan und der Namekianer allein da und C18 kommt zurück. Das wäre ein krasser Cliffhanger.
Wow, Pan has grown up, literally. Her leg is super long.
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Trunks wirkt in dieser Darstellung eher wie der kleine Bruder von Son Bra. Irgendwie erweckt DBM manchmal den Eindruck, als würde es vergessen, dass Trunks eigentlich 10 Jahre älter als seine Schwester ist. Goten und Trunks sollen jedoch eindeutig als albern dargestellt werden, und der beste Weg, eine kindliche Ader zu vermitteln, ist, die Figur kindlich aussehen zu lassen.
Außerdem finde ich es großartig, wie Babidis Hypothese hier vorgestellt wird, und dann viel später getestet wird und sich tatsächlich bewahrheitet. Super Vorhersage. 1 Replie(s)
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Außerdem finde ich es großartig, wie Babidis Hypothese hier vorgestellt wird, und dann viel später getestet wird und sich tatsächlich bewahrheitet. Super Vorhersage. 1 Replie(s)
Ehrlich gesagt, diese Ansage von C48 hier ist eigentlich viel uncooler, als mal auf die Fresse zu bekommen.
DB RED page 51
Man würde erwarten, der Kameramann hätte genug Selbsterhaltungstrieb, um den Imperator nicht in Verlegenheit zu bringen, indem er die Kamera direkt auf seine bevorstehende Demütigung richtet. Cooler wird sich den Typen merken, falls er überleben sollte, haha.
Vegeta Tales page 78
Oh nein, ein Heiratsantrag über das Fernsehen. Sie kann nicht einmal darauf antworten. Wie peinlich. Nun, vielleicht finden es einige Leute rührend.
Early dayz page 57
Magische Bohnen in Dragonball? Haha. Aber natürlich, lass mich raten: Wenn er sie in der Erde vergräbt, wächst eine riesige Bohnenstange aus dem Boden, die so hoch ist, dass man sie erklimmen kann.
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Super Dragon Bros Z page 224
Unglaublich schlechter Plan von West. Zum Glück hat sie nicht das Sagen.
DBMultiverse Colors page 497
Meiner Meinung nach schien mir Yamoshi viel zu stark, um auch nur eine einzige Verletzung davonzutragen.
Im Umkehrschluss würde das bedeuten, Kanba hätte den Kampf viel früher gewinnen müssen. Wenn er wirklich gewinnen wollte, hätte er das tun müssen, bevor Yamoshi sich verwandelte.
Yamoshi Story page 166
Im Umkehrschluss würde das bedeuten, Kanba hätte den Kampf viel früher gewinnen müssen. Wenn er wirklich gewinnen wollte, hätte er das tun müssen, bevor Yamoshi sich verwandelte.
misi was saying:
So what? Nobody expects a Toriyama, Yamamuro, Maeda, or Nakatsuru in a fan manga, and those who do should probably just avoid reading fan manga altogether.As much as I always loved Asura's drawings, over the years the style really started to shift away from being super close to what the original dbz was like - Well, at least what we understand as "dbz style" (There are so many specific ones, mange, anime, and even within both media there are tons of artists - so let's say a style that is very close to the anime (or artwork in certain games) - not one specific artist's work, more like an happy amalgamation of "most".
I am not saying it's bad, but it is becoming more and more like some other anime altogether with the curves and corners being this dramatic, noses, facial expressions, etc. It just makes the "fan" aspect of the fan manga a bit more, hmm... apparent? Do you see what I mean?
I am not saying it's bad, but it is becoming more and more like some other anime altogether with the curves and corners being this dramatic, noses, facial expressions, etc. It just makes the "fan" aspect of the fan manga a bit more, hmm... apparent? Do you see what I mean?
SoyBear was saying:
That's an interesting detail you bring up. In your example, U13 Vegeta partially admits (that there is a possibility) that U18 Vegeta is stronger than him. Perhaps in a quiet moment and with a clear mind, he is much more open with himself in his assessment. His last sentence on this page gives the impression that he does not want to accept that his counterpart is stronger, which makes him disillusioned.
OOf, I think Kakarot's words from page 2270 (and Vegeta's own words) got to him.
Grabnatz was saying:
Die Alternative. Goku in Base-Form kann allein durch Training Vegetto in einem ernsthaften und fairen Schlagabtausch besiegen.
Das heißt nach Salagirs Logik hat die Baseform immer limits? Das heißt Goku könnte immer nur dann stärker werden wenn er eine immer wieder neues Stufe erreicht? Irgegdwie ein super dummes limit oder nicht? Gleichzeitig auch ne starke Limitierung aller die sich nicht verwandeln können
Nassif9000 was saying:
Oh my goodness, I only noticed that after reading your comment. Indeed, in Asura's main chapters, U13 Vegeta's hairstyle follows the new detail that the tip at the front was broken off during the life skip and has been depicted that way ever since. Admittedly, we've only seen U13 Vegeta once since the IKL incident, if you ignore CH105. But considering how this detail can also be seen here as SSJ2, I find it all the more fascinating. Hopefully, Asura can maintain this without making continuity errors, as was the case with the occasional missing M symbol during the MR-Arc.i love the cool little detail of his hair being chopped off since 17 and 18 broke it during the previous time freeze LOL
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LMAO was saying:
Well, then it's a good thing that this is DBM-Arc Vegeta and not Saiyan-Arc Vegeta. Besides, we have already seen U13 Vegeta behave this way, also because of a comment made by Pan (Page 1352).
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Gotta say U13 Vegeta having this sheepish reaction over a "ask who loves him" question is completely out of character for saiyan/Freeza saga Vegeta, while he definetely would've said something like he did in the second panel he wouldn't look flustered at all doing so, he would have a unwavering confidence on his own words and considering his status as emperor of his own universe far more so than he did back at the saiyan saga.
Nassif aus dem englischen Kommentarbereich hat darauf hingewiesen, dass Vegeta's Haar genau an der Stelle abgehackt aussieht, an der C17 ihm während des IKL-Life-Skips eine Strähne abgebrochen hat. Das kann man auf Seite 2312 noch einmal nachgucken und mit den Haaren auf der heutigen Seite vergleichen. Eine wirklich starke Art der visuellen Kontinuität. Hoffentlich kann Asura das beibehalten.
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Super Idee, Beelzebub hier noch einzufügen, da er in der Originalversion offensichtlich fehlte. Zwar war er anscheinend im Hintergrund, aber er hat einen viel prominenteren Platz verdient. Das ist hier auch sehr witzig gemacht. Zusätzlich bin ich von dem Effekt im Hintergrund sehr überrascht. Im Original ist es eine schwarz-weiße Spirale, hier ein übergeordnetes grünes Cluster. Sehr interessant.
DBMultiverse Colors page 495
Da bekommt man echt Lust, sich durch Toriyamas andere Projekte zu schmökern. Er hat schließlich nicht nur Dragonball, sondern auch Dr. Slump, Sandland und Co. gemacht. Bei anderen Serien hat er auch die Figuren designt.
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ZenBuu was saying:
I would add to that: What if Vegeta wasn't the one who took Pan with him, but Pan simply decided to come along on her own, whether Vegeta allowed it or not?
People who are saying "why did he bring Pan with him?":
Gohan trusts Vegeta enough to take care of his daughter. Which is pretty cool, in my opinion.
Besides, let the girl also have some adventures and gather some first hand experiences in a real battle. Since this is U18 Pan and not U16, she didn't go on adventures with Vegetto and Son Bra in space, but instead stayed on Earth for her whole life.
Yes, it might seem risky to bring her along, especially with that big handicap that they currently have... but how else should she learn, if not actively being in danger? Uncle Vegeta will protect her, no matter what. 😜
Gohan trusts Vegeta enough to take care of his daughter. Which is pretty cool, in my opinion.
Besides, let the girl also have some adventures and gather some first hand experiences in a real battle. Since this is U18 Pan and not U16, she didn't go on adventures with Vegetto and Son Bra in space, but instead stayed on Earth for her whole life.
Yes, it might seem risky to bring her along, especially with that big handicap that they currently have... but how else should she learn, if not actively being in danger? Uncle Vegeta will protect her, no matter what. 😜
Blaze was saying:
I must admit that I based a lot of my conclusions on old discussions from the DBM forum. And also on the fact that U18 Pan should by no means be stronger or equally strong as U16 Pan. iron leaf was saying: Even as a Super Saiyan, she would struggle against Cell Arc FPSSJ Goku (Kakarot reached SSJ2 thanks to the Majin Boost. That would only be possible if Kakarot was actually at the threshold between SSJ1 and SSJ2), let alone a restored and enhanced C18, who effortlessly overpowers Namek Arc SSJ Goku equivalents. C18's recent repairs by Santa ZenBuu, augmented by XXI's minor boost, position her well beyond U18 Pan's capabilities, especially since cyborgs once toyed with superior Super Saiyans like Mirai Gohan or Vegeta.
It's clear that U18 Pan is not as strong as SSj Kakarotto was. But there's nothing so far telling us that U14 #18 is currently anywhere near Kakarotto('s former strength) either.
What makes you think that U18 Pan is weaker than #18? U18 Pan doesn't necessarily have to have caught up anywhere near to U16 Pan to do so, based on our current info.
It's clear that U18 Pan is not as strong as SSj Kakarotto was. But there's nothing so far telling us that U14 #18 is currently anywhere near Kakarotto('s former strength) either.
What makes you think that U18 Pan is weaker than #18? U18 Pan doesn't necessarily have to have caught up anywhere near to U16 Pan to do so, based on our current info.
We know with absolute certainty from the U16 Specials that U16 Pan already mastered SSJ1 four years before the DBM tournament. See page 1770. The Special clearly explains that Gorkor is definitely stronger than Freeza. And Pan flattened him.
I may have been too hasty in saying that U18 Pan would not stand a chance against U14 #18. Nevertheless, I believe that our Pan, having just achieved SSJ1, should not really be able to defeat Android Tier characters.
Sie können von Glück reden, dass der Namekianer sich am Riemen reißt und die Barriere nicht fallen lässt.
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jonathan_vik was saying:
Many Namekian names are derived from musical instruments or words for snail. So Jeff really doesn't make any sense here. Even as a joke, you could have chosen a name that had something to do with snails.That's good suggestion, Jeff? I don't know. He was never given name. Getting under the skin of an opponent is always a good strategy, especially for someone as secretly insecure as Vegeta.
MUI Vegitp was saying:
Exactly what SSJ2 Your Nick said. Even though cyborgs are naturally immune to IKL's ability, XXI has provided protection against this ability for everyone. The dark XXI smoke on their bodies means that they have received a small boost, are immune to the Frozen, and other minor details that we will likely learn about later.I understand that C18 is unfrozen because she's a cyborg, but what about Vegeta? I'm assuming it's because of XXI's smoke that keeps him unfrozen (dunno if I'm correct), but when was this stated?
Pazuzu was saying:
It is entirely possible that XXI passed this information on to his allies. But in this particular case, I tend to believe that it is because U13 Vegeta had already spoken to the U14 Androids, and they mentioned how they had defeated a Vegeta. U13 Vegeta probably took note of this. Huh, how did he get to know what happened in other dimensions? Is XXI aware of other realities?
Es ist einfach herrlich komisch, wie unglaublich ernst die Lage für die U18 gerade ist und sie dennoch erst einmal eine moralische Auseinandersetzung gewinnen möchten. Haha. Sie haben im Moment ein gewaltiges Handicap. Wie Goku vor ein paar Seiten erwähnt hat, kann man in der Stille niemanden weiter als einen Kilometer spüren. Somit ist Vegetas IT im Moment nutzlos. Der Namekianer ist schwer verletzt, weshalb seine Sicherheitsblase instabil ist und jederzeit zusammenbrechen könnte, wodurch sie alle einfrieren würden. Heilen kann der Namekianer sie auch nicht, während er sie am Leben erhält. Zusätzlich haben sie keine Senzu-Bohnen mehr. Und nicht zu vergessen: Pan und der Namekianer sind einem SSJ3-Vegeta nicht gewachsen und werden hier lediglich zur Last fallen. Ich bin echt gespannt, wie unser Trio hier wieder rauskommt. Vor allem, wenn man bedenkt, dass U13 Vegeta gerade quasi XXI's stärkster Verbündeter ist.
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Streuselsturm was saying:
Alles gut. C18 ist gerade vor unseren Helden geflohen, nachdem sie eine Ki-Barrage abgefeuert hat. U13 Vegeta hat dies womöglich persönlich gesehen, weshalb er explizit C18 nochmal für U18 Vegeta erwähnt.
Ich bin wahrscheinlich einfach zu blöd, aber wer ist mit Blondie gemeint?
I see U18 Pan is happy to continue what her U16 counterpart started on the stranded asteroid. Dissing U13 Vegeta. Lol.
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uiui was saying:
Ziemlich sicher. Aber in diesem Moment kann sie nur raten. Praktischerweise hat sie richtig beobachtet, dass nur eine Person für den Anti-Life-Skip verantwortlich ist. Deshalb hat sie es auch so formuliert, weil sie noch nicht weiß, ob es einer von ihnen ist oder ein Gegenstand, den einer von ihnen trägt, etc.
"Magisches Objekt"?
Meint sie den Namekianer?
Meint sie den Namekianer?
I think it's great how #18 is observing the situation here and adding up the variables. However, her assumption is correct, and based on that, she just needs to separate them. Unfortunately, Vegeta is so much stronger that he could easily carry Pan and the Namekian piggyback and still one-shot #18.
Or much later, when it comes to universe hopping, where the plot changes so that everyone involved switches between universes to pursue someone, or fights their way through universes, etc. Maybe that will be when they meet U9 Yamcha again or something. That's still pretty open. 1 Replie(s)
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Your nickel was saying:
To be completely honest, I suspect DBM is playing the long game here. It's possible that if someone were to leave XXI's alliance to create their own faction, the androids would be the first choice. Or at least the first to do so. If you leave Cell out of the equation as his own faction. I'm wondering though if the plot point of #18 being redeemed is just gone at this point
Or much later, when it comes to universe hopping, where the plot changes so that everyone involved switches between universes to pursue someone, or fights their way through universes, etc. Maybe that will be when they meet U9 Yamcha again or something. That's still pretty open. 1 Replie(s)
Since this topic has been brought up, I would like to pose a question. If we really assume that base form Saiyans are capable of dynamically increasing their power level, would you say that, hypothetically speaking, Goku in Base Form should be able to wipe the floor with Base Form Vegetto? Or better yet, should U18 Pan hypothetically speaking be capable to defeat Vegetto one day, with her Base Form?
Consider the distinctions between universes in Dragon Ball Multiverse. U16 Pan, honed through rigorous sessions with Vegetto and Son Bra while embarking on space police exploits, exhibits remarkable prowess, roughly aligning with Cell Games Goku's level as evidenced by her confrontation with Bojack in thr tournament. In contrast, U18 Pan appears more ordinary in base form, lacking exceptional aptitude. Even as a Super Saiyan, she would struggle against Cell Arc FPSSJ Goku (Kakarot reached SSJ2 thanks to the Majin Boost. That would only be possible if Kakarot was actually at the threshold between SSJ1 and SSJ2), let alone a restored and enhanced C18, who effortlessly overpowers Namek Arc SSJ Goku equivalents. C18's recent repairs by Santa ZenBuu, augmented by XXI's minor boost, position her well beyond U18 Pan's capabilities, especially since cyborgs once toyed with superior Super Saiyans like Mirai Gohan or Vegeta.
Power disparities abound, yet U18 Pan's limitations stem from absent elite training. Vegetto's guidance proves pivotal, elevating U16 Pan to superior tiers, emphasizing that emotional nurturing alone cannot rival intensive combat preparation. Allowing U18 Pan to rapidly match U16 counterparts would undermine Vegetto's regimen's value, barring exceptions like SSJN, which fan interpretations explore but seem unlikely in the main narrative of DBM.
U16 Pan vs. U14 #18 would be an interesting matchup, but U18 Pan doesn't stand a chance at the moment. It's impossible that she could have caught up to U16 Pan in three days without any real SSJ usage. Helping the others set up a shield against ZenBuu isn't enough for her to catch up so quickly.
The thing about the uppercut against Kakarot, I guess you mean the extra scene from DBM Colors. I just want to point out that this scene isn't even in the novel. Asura completely made it up himself, and personally, I think it was a mistake. But I don't want to go into it in detail. And the reason why Kakarot transformed into an SSJ in the first place. I suspect it was simply because he wanted to end the fight as quickly as possible, because he was forbidden to hurt the girl unnecessarily. If he had remained in base form, he would have actually had to fight, but in SSJ he can intimidate her better and force her to surrender with simple blows. (And out-of-universe, so as not to prolong the fight unnecessarily). 2 Replie(s)
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Rey Vegeta was saying:
Absolutely not. As mentioned by others, the so-called "Threshold Theory" further clarifies this dynamic: barring fusions or external aids, no base-form Saiyan can surpass even the feeblest Super Saiyan, who edges just above the ultimate base potential. At least in DBM's interpretation.iron leaf was saying: Vegeta blocked the attack, not Pan. Now get a move on, #18 or you are dead.
Vegeta could blocked it even in his base form
Vegeta could blocked it even in his base form
Matrixkid was saying:
In my perspective reaching the Super Saiyan transformations is based on the variability in strength influenced by training, triggers, and individual potential. In reality, attaining Super Saiyan does not guarantee immediate dominance; it requires an emotional catalyst, without which even formidable base-form Saiyans like Nappa or Raditz remain untransformed, regardless of reaching approximately Freeza-level Tier.iron leaf was saying: Vegeta blocked the attack, not Pan. Now get a move on, #18 or you are dead.
Not disagreeing but is it really that unrealistic for Pan to be around 18's level? She managed to damage Kakarot (U13) with an uppercut and was strong enough in her base to make him transform. And both kid Trunks and Goten managed to hold their own against a fully maintinanced, possibly stronger A18 in the Buu saga, and they were both much younger than Pan.
She may not seem that strong, but remember she's been trained by Goku over the past decade, I wouldn't underestimate her
Not disagreeing but is it really that unrealistic for Pan to be around 18's level? She managed to damage Kakarot (U13) with an uppercut and was strong enough in her base to make him transform. And both kid Trunks and Goten managed to hold their own against a fully maintinanced, possibly stronger A18 in the Buu saga, and they were both much younger than Pan.
She may not seem that strong, but remember she's been trained by Goku over the past decade, I wouldn't underestimate her
Consider the distinctions between universes in Dragon Ball Multiverse. U16 Pan, honed through rigorous sessions with Vegetto and Son Bra while embarking on space police exploits, exhibits remarkable prowess, roughly aligning with Cell Games Goku's level as evidenced by her confrontation with Bojack in thr tournament. In contrast, U18 Pan appears more ordinary in base form, lacking exceptional aptitude. Even as a Super Saiyan, she would struggle against Cell Arc FPSSJ Goku (Kakarot reached SSJ2 thanks to the Majin Boost. That would only be possible if Kakarot was actually at the threshold between SSJ1 and SSJ2), let alone a restored and enhanced C18, who effortlessly overpowers Namek Arc SSJ Goku equivalents. C18's recent repairs by Santa ZenBuu, augmented by XXI's minor boost, position her well beyond U18 Pan's capabilities, especially since cyborgs once toyed with superior Super Saiyans like Mirai Gohan or Vegeta.
Power disparities abound, yet U18 Pan's limitations stem from absent elite training. Vegetto's guidance proves pivotal, elevating U16 Pan to superior tiers, emphasizing that emotional nurturing alone cannot rival intensive combat preparation. Allowing U18 Pan to rapidly match U16 counterparts would undermine Vegetto's regimen's value, barring exceptions like SSJN, which fan interpretations explore but seem unlikely in the main narrative of DBM.
U16 Pan vs. U14 #18 would be an interesting matchup, but U18 Pan doesn't stand a chance at the moment. It's impossible that she could have caught up to U16 Pan in three days without any real SSJ usage. Helping the others set up a shield against ZenBuu isn't enough for her to catch up so quickly.
The thing about the uppercut against Kakarot, I guess you mean the extra scene from DBM Colors. I just want to point out that this scene isn't even in the novel. Asura completely made it up himself, and personally, I think it was a mistake. But I don't want to go into it in detail. And the reason why Kakarot transformed into an SSJ in the first place. I suspect it was simply because he wanted to end the fight as quickly as possible, because he was forbidden to hurt the girl unnecessarily. If he had remained in base form, he would have actually had to fight, but in SSJ he can intimidate her better and force her to surrender with simple blows. (And out-of-universe, so as not to prolong the fight unnecessarily). 2 Replie(s)
Vegeta blocked the attack, not Pan. Now get a move on, #18 or you are dead.
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Ausgerechnet jetzt bin sehr neugierig darüber wie eigentlich unsere C18 aus U18 aussieht. Wir haben sie glaube ich in keinem U18 Special/Flashback bisher gesehen, welches nach dem EoZ stattfindet, denn das war das letzte Mal, dass wir sie gesehen haben.
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I looked up EoZ #18 again. To my knowledge, it is the last on-screen appearance of the character, because as some have mentioned, she is not actually shown in DBM in Universe 18. She is in U16, but not in our main universe.
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There are many interesting reasons why #18 is so different from U18 and U14. I've read quite a bit in the comment section here. I'm excited to see more.
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There are many interesting reasons why #18 is so different from U18 and U14. I've read quite a bit in the comment section here. I'm excited to see more.
Zario444 was saying:
I like to think that present 18 was incomplete compared to her future self, in a sense
ssjlucario was saying:
I like these theories. I wonder if we'll ever get an official explanation, similar to the one for the Special Forces in U8. There's an explanation there for why Sauzer, Jeice & Co. all still look the same as they did in the Namek arc.Well, in this canon Yamcha explains to 18 and 17 that they will need their bodies to be repaired eventually otherwise they will be unable to move, kind of like rusting. It could also mean they get older too.
Michelrpg was saying:
I think Pan is basing her statement more on the fact that Vegeta is present and #18 can't do anything against her group with Vegeta there. Because I agree, U18 Pan at that moment would probably fare the same as Future Trunks did when he fought the cyborgs for the first time with his SSJ. There is no way in hell Pan is stronger than 18 though, even before she was completely revitalised. This pan JUST unlocked the basic super saiyan transformation. I dont know where she basis this confidence on but I feel she might be overestimating herself by a lot.
SSJ2 Your Nick was saying:
The XXI smoke is more than just protection from the Life Skip. It gives them a boost and knowledge about XXI's past. See Page 2492.
Why does 18 have XXI's Smoke? The Freeze doesn't effect her anyway.
That's a good page. Both humor and seriousness. Pan shatters #18's self-esteem with dry facts alone, and Vegeta sees through the cyborg immediately.
Vegeta is absolutely right. This is not the #18 they know from their own universe. Above all, I am always struck by why U18 #18 in particular has aged noticeably since the Cell arc, whereas U14 #18 looks almost identical to when she was introduced, especially since she is wearing the same clothes. 5 Replie(s)
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Vegeta is absolutely right. This is not the #18 they know from their own universe. Above all, I am always struck by why U18 #18 in particular has aged noticeably since the Cell arc, whereas U14 #18 looks almost identical to when she was introduced, especially since she is wearing the same clothes. 5 Replie(s)
Es ist aber schon echt praktisch, wie sie gerade C18 gefunden haben.
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I wonder how many civilians Vegeta and Android 18 will kill in their rematch. Pan, nameless Namekian, watch out. 😝
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Es ist ziemlich faszinierend, auf einer solchen Ein-Panel-Seite das Gesicht zu verdecken.
Early dayz page 51
Moderne Kunst, haha. Sollte er nicht befürchten, dass jetzt umso mehr Leute das umwerfen wollen? Einfach aus Trotz?
Super Dragon Bros Z page 220
Ah, ich liebe den Grün-Effekt in Panel 3. Sehr gut gemacht.
DBMultiverse Colors page 490
ZenBuu was saying:
iron leaf sagte: Ich hatte gehofft, dies wäre der Moment, in dem er anfängt zu weinen. Ähnlich wie in der Filler-Episode des Animes, bevor er zum ersten Mal zum SSJ wurde.
Fand ich persönlich eigentlich immer ziemlich lächerlich. 😂
Da ist das hier schon etwas besser.
Fand ich persönlich eigentlich immer ziemlich lächerlich. 😂
Da ist das hier schon etwas besser.
Um ehrlich zu sein, bin ich mir da nicht so sicher. Es gab eine Sache an Vegeta, die ich sehr bemerkenswert fand. Auf Namek hat er tatsächlich geweint, kurz bevor Freezer ihn getötet hat. Die Idee in der Filler-Episode, in der er während des Asteroiden-Trainings wie eine verwöhnte Göre jammert, weil er noch nicht SSJ erreicht hat, wirkt nicht untypisch, sondern natürlich für Vegeta zu diesem Zeitpunkt. Im Allgemeinen ist Vegeta ein besonderer Fall. Er verhält sich wie ein harter Kerl, der im Grunde ein emotional aufgeladenes Weichei ist, das ständig Dinge fordert, von denen es glaubt, dass sie ihm zustehen. Auch wenn Vegeta in Dragon Ball durchweg gut geschrieben ist, finde ich, dass er im Übergang zwischen dem Namek-Arc und dem Cyborg-Arc ein ziemlicher Jammerlappen ist.
Natürlich ist es übertrieben, Vegeta als tatsächlich weinend darzustellen, wie es TFS in ihrer Parodie getan hat, als er zum ersten Mal als Super Saiyan erschien. Nichtsdestotrotz finde ich, dass Vegeta in Vegeta Tales im Moment bevorzugt behandelt wird. Man hat das Gefühl, dass ein Vegeta-Fan Vegeta im bestmöglichen Licht darstellen möchte.
Es wäre keine typische Vegeta-Situation, wenn er es nicht trotzdem irgendwie vermasseln und eigentlich schlimmer machen würde.
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hamgelu was saying:
It’s not gorilla warfare… it’s ape-x predation. ... 😂
I'm sure he'll employ some kind of Gorilla Warfare.
Interessante Kameraperspektive im ersten Panel xD
Die Frau ist emotional schon ziemlich kalt. Sie ist Teil der R&R, also vollkommen verständlich.
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Die Frau ist emotional schon ziemlich kalt. Sie ist Teil der R&R, also vollkommen verständlich.
I suspect some people misunderstand the difference between the artificial gravity that the Varga built into the tournament arena and the general gravity on the asteroid on which the arena itself stands.
It's true. During the tournament, the Varga constantly manipulated the gravity of the fighting ring planet in the arena. They were also able to change the gravity of the spectator stands when Vegetto pulled everything toward him as he prepared the “Final Dragon Flash.”
However, there is no question that outside the arena, conventional gravity is the same as inside the arena. We saw that when Zen Buu (allegedly) wanted to absorb Broly, Vegetto, Son Bra, and Gohan kept the pink demon busy long enough for Broly to be sent to his universe. When all four returned, they were deliberately outside the arena, where no one would notice them immediately (mainly the Varga/organizers). There, on page 278, there is clearly regular gravity similar to that on Earth.
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In addition, the Varga control tower was destroyed when the MR-Arc started, which basically controls everything organizational within the arena. The arena was completely devastated when the stranded “heroes” returned, but they automatically found themselves in normal gravity, even though all equipment that manipulates gravity was obviously destroyed during the MR-Arc (on page 1818). It can be assumed that, apart from the tournament fights, the asteroid hosting the tournament has similar gravity to Earth.
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It's true. During the tournament, the Varga constantly manipulated the gravity of the fighting ring planet in the arena. They were also able to change the gravity of the spectator stands when Vegetto pulled everything toward him as he prepared the “Final Dragon Flash.”
However, there is no question that outside the arena, conventional gravity is the same as inside the arena. We saw that when Zen Buu (allegedly) wanted to absorb Broly, Vegetto, Son Bra, and Gohan kept the pink demon busy long enough for Broly to be sent to his universe. When all four returned, they were deliberately outside the arena, where no one would notice them immediately (mainly the Varga/organizers). There, on page 278, there is clearly regular gravity similar to that on Earth.
In addition, the Varga control tower was destroyed when the MR-Arc started, which basically controls everything organizational within the arena. The arena was completely devastated when the stranded “heroes” returned, but they automatically found themselves in normal gravity, even though all equipment that manipulates gravity was obviously destroyed during the MR-Arc (on page 1818). It can be assumed that, apart from the tournament fights, the asteroid hosting the tournament has similar gravity to Earth.
MateoSCE was saying:
I think his nose really stands out. That's really cool Namekian design.
MateoSCE was saying:
I'd would say it's gravity of the fighting area, but that was turned off in quaterfinals.
Venkolm was saying:
You're making a small mistake there. It's not the artificial gravity inside the arena that the Varga manipulated, but that of the asteroid in general. But Wasn't the strong gravity deactivated long ago...
Venkolm was saying:
Let's assume that this is a fictional world in which the laws of physics are not applied. It's the same series where Goku puts a gang dressed in rabbit costumes to the moon. Just like that, in one scene, as if it were the most normal thing in the world. The fact is that many of these things defy all physical logic.
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On Another note... if we are to bring science here... they were on semi-artificial (asteroid) land... The gravity was mostly artificial. Once the tech. req. to maintain is damaged, then... How come there is gravity at all?
An asteroid that size won't generate gravity even half that of the Moon's. They should be all floating...
An asteroid that size won't generate gravity even half that of the Moon's. They should be all floating...
Die Ruinen sehen bemerkenswert aus. Bisher finde ich die Dynamik zwischen Pan und Vegeta wirklich gut getroffen. Da will ich unbedingt mehr sehen. Jetzt würde ich gerne wissen, ob der Namekianer einen Namen und einen Charakter erhält. Es wäre zu schade, wenn seine einzige Rolle die des Wegbereiters wäre.
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Ehm, haben die jetzt die Dragonballs aufgesammelt? Die haben den Planeten jetzt nicht wirklich verlassen, während die Kugeln in alle Richtungen verstreut wurden, oder?
Yamoshi Story page 162
Alter, wie kann man einen magischen Wunsch für sowas verschwenden? Naja, Yamoshi halt.
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Yamoshi Story page 160
Ich hatte gehofft, dies wäre der Moment, in dem er anfängt zu weinen. Ähnlich wie in der Filler-Episode des Animes, bevor er zum ersten Mal zum SSJ wurde.
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Vegeta Tales page 72
Crocodile Dende. Da kann man so viele geniale Witze generieren. Oh, das wird lustig, die folgenden Seiten, hihi.
Super Dragon Bros Z page 219
Also Freezer würde etwas anderes sagen, um Saiyajins zu beleidigen. Haha.
DB RED page 45
Super Farben für Nekomajin und seine Aura in seiner Halb-Fusion, haha.
DBMultiverse Colors page 489
Onibak_So was saying:
A touching story. Thank you for Promesse. It's one of the comics that really moved me emotionally.
Onibak_So
Zweifellos ist dies einer der schönsten kleinen Fan-Comics über Dragonball, die ich je gelesen habe. Ganz einfach: Goku trifft Opa Gohan im Jenseits und sie haben ein herzliches Wiedersehen. Keine komplizierten Plots nötig, um den Leser richtig emotional zu packen. Wunderschön, Danke!
Promesse page 31
Ach, Sei hat also überlebt. Ausgerechnet das Maskottchen der Varga. Was für ein Zufall. Haha. Aber ich kann es Asura nicht verübeln. Ich mag den Vogel, und hoffe auf mehr Screentime für sie. Immer witzige Interaktionen mit den Varga allgemein.
Auch viele interessante neue Details auf dieser Seite. Bin gespannt auf mehr.
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Auch viele interessante neue Details auf dieser Seite. Bin gespannt auf mehr.
So panel 1 is an incredibly interesting detail. The Namekian healers are currently unable to maintain the safety bubble when they want to heal someone. This means that, for the time being, healing attempts are only possible if another Namekian maintains the Anti-Life-Skip technique. We know where this is going. In a fight, the heroes have their backs against the wall.
Why Vegeta set off with Pan of all people is more speculation. I suspect that Pan is perhaps demonstrating her youthful curiosity and would rather investigate the flying islands with Vegeta than help the others search for survivors.
Furthermore, we have already established that both Gohan and Goku trust Vegeta with Pan and that he is considered part of the family, the so-called grumpy uncle.
And finally, I believe that from a narrative perspective, the intention is to build up a little more tension by having Vegeta and Pan encounter an obstacle that is more difficult to overcome than if Gohan, Bra, or Piccolo were there. 1 Replie(s)
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仅是剑客 was saying:
My guess is that Vegeta may not be one of those who wants to build a base first and organize the survivors and so on. He prefers to take action and investigate their best lead so far, the flying piece of land from page 2583.Why does Vegeta take Pan with him?
Why Vegeta set off with Pan of all people is more speculation. I suspect that Pan is perhaps demonstrating her youthful curiosity and would rather investigate the flying islands with Vegeta than help the others search for survivors.
Furthermore, we have already established that both Gohan and Goku trust Vegeta with Pan and that he is considered part of the family, the so-called grumpy uncle.
And finally, I believe that from a narrative perspective, the intention is to build up a little more tension by having Vegeta and Pan encounter an obstacle that is more difficult to overcome than if Gohan, Bra, or Piccolo were there. 1 Replie(s)
Bin gespannt zu sehen, wie viele Namekianer sie am Ende finden und retten können.
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Nun stehen 2 Affenarten kurz vor einem Kampf. Haha, immer sind es Affen.
DB RED page 44
I wonder how Abale and Arale will interact with each other.
Kakodaiman: the Return of Cashman!! page 54
Das ist eine lustige Sequenz, die zeigt, wie viel Zeit vergangen ist. Super umgesetzt, Daumen hoch dafür.
Early dayz page 50
Naja, Cooler, du hättest Vegeta vor ein paar Seiten einfach erwürgen können, als ihr beide außerhalb der Stadt wart.
Vegeta Tales page 71
Hier ist also mein kurzes Fazit zum vorherigen Kapitel. Es war anders als gewohnt – sowohl für Dragonball-Verhältnisse als auch für die Lesererfahrung allgemein. Ich bin ziemlich froh über die einzigartige Herangehensweise mit den Gedichten, die den kurzen Aufstieg und Fall von XXI beschreiben. Allerdings hatte ich gehofft, mehr über XXI zu erfahren.
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It's obviously not Thorn. If anything, it might be a random Alcmenian, but not Thorn himself. And as already mentioned, possibly just a tribute from Asura to Bunga's U7 Cell-Arc.
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siksteen was saying:
Have we seen that big hair person before? I actually thought it was Bojack for a second.
Ayashi was saying:
It's definitely not Bojack. I thought we had definitely seen someone like that in the audience, but apparently I was mistaken. Unfortunately, I could only find a character on page 2107 with a similar build, but with a different skin color and hair color.
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Is that Bojack in the middle?
ZidaneTribal was saying:
Zunächst einmal kann man nicht behaupten, dass Asura nicht sein Bestes gegeben hat. Das ist nur deine Meinung. Eh, Asura hat sich da keine Mühe oder Zeit gegeben, wie eigentlich sonst. Dicke Linien, nachlässige Schattierungen, unfertige Zeichnungen. Keine gute Seite.
Ich glaube, du meinst, dass die Umgebung dieses unverwechselbare Aussehen hat. Asura macht das normalerweise, wenn es um zerstörte Dinge geht, die aus der Ferne dargestellt werden. Schau mal auf Seite 1619. Es ist nur so, dass dieses Mal ein Panel die ganze Seite einnimmt, so dass es für alle besser zu sehen ist.
Ist er jetzt etwa ein Verschwörungstheoretiker?
Kakodaiman: the Return of Cashman!! page 52
I love Grandpa Gohan's reaction to the Super Saiyan. Ironically, at that very moment, SSJ1 is old news already and SSJ2 is the new best thing ever.
Promesse page 30
Very interesting. A small time skip between the last main chapter and now. We are already in the phase where other Namekians and spectators have been found. Only Pan, Vegeta, and Goku are missing from U18. They must be traveling with other Namekians.
Oh hey, Céra survived. Haha, the era of Bruce & Zarya is over. We now have new spectators.
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Oh hey, Céra survived. Haha, the era of Bruce & Zarya is over. We now have new spectators.
Oh, Goku, be careful. This is your first master, you mustn't underestimate him.
Promesse page 29
Mit all den Weltall-Hintergründen hier in DBM Colors werde ich mich nie sattsehen können. Im Original gab es leider zu oft einen leeren Hintergrund. Definitiv ein großartiger Zusatz hier!
DBMultiverse Colors page 487
Der Gorilla-Typ stand also die ganze Zeit da, während alle Soldaten nacheinander getötet wurden. Kein guter Anführer.
DB RED page 43
I always love it when DB (fan) content doesn't shy away from portraying post-EoZ Bulma as she is: a graceful and beautiful aging lady.
This is in stark contrast to Canon DB, where every effort is made to avoid portraying Bulma (and other cast members) as if they were aging. Which is somewhat ironic. The series, which does not allow the characters to develop further and thus also to age physically, is at a standstill.
Somehow, the U13 Vegeta part reminds me of Asura's fan art from a few years ago on Deviantart. His concept idea for a separate fan story.
![[img]](https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/c5bea719-f6b1-4631-a44f-7c007b146785/dfnjfdb-403eff9d-3306-4768-bd33-285b172120fc.jpg/v1/fill/w_1280,h_1809,q_75,strp/a_db_story__legacy_by_asura_00_dfnjfdb-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9MTgwOSIsInBhdGgiOiIvZi9jNWJlYTcxOS1mNmIxLTQ2MzEtYTQ0Zi03YzAwN2IxNDY3ODUvZGZuamZkYi00MDNlZmY5ZC0zMzA2LTQ3NjgtYmQzMy0yODViMTcyMTIwZmMuanBnIiwid2lkdGgiOiI8PTEyODAifV1dLCJhdWQiOlsidXJuOnNlcnZpY2U6aW1hZ2Uub3BlcmF0aW9ucyJdfQ.wje9xu8AYQIDzmsofbSnzErXqCLuTd5lzdbswFqaFdU)
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This is in stark contrast to Canon DB, where every effort is made to avoid portraying Bulma (and other cast members) as if they were aging. Which is somewhat ironic. The series, which does not allow the characters to develop further and thus also to age physically, is at a standstill.
Somehow, the U13 Vegeta part reminds me of Asura's fan art from a few years ago on Deviantart. His concept idea for a separate fan story.
![[img]](https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/c5bea719-f6b1-4631-a44f-7c007b146785/dfnjfdb-403eff9d-3306-4768-bd33-285b172120fc.jpg/v1/fill/w_1280,h_1809,q_75,strp/a_db_story__legacy_by_asura_00_dfnjfdb-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9MTgwOSIsInBhdGgiOiIvZi9jNWJlYTcxOS1mNmIxLTQ2MzEtYTQ0Zi03YzAwN2IxNDY3ODUvZGZuamZkYi00MDNlZmY5ZC0zMzA2LTQ3NjgtYmQzMy0yODViMTcyMTIwZmMuanBnIiwid2lkdGgiOiI8PTEyODAifV1dLCJhdWQiOlsidXJuOnNlcnZpY2U6aW1hZ2Uub3BlcmF0aW9ucyJdfQ.wje9xu8AYQIDzmsofbSnzErXqCLuTd5lzdbswFqaFdU)
siksteen was saying:
I don't want to discuss other DB series. I'm simply saying that there are series that always revert to the status quo and don't allow for any development. And in Bulma's case in particular, this is incredibly discouraging when you consider how she developed over the course of the series. We saw this both in her design/outfits and in her character. To simply end this is not only arbitrary in the overall course of the series, but also a huge blow to the character. It's a real shame. As I said, when a series stagnates, it's a sign of declining quality.
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You mean you dont like the idea of her using DBs to look young forever like in Super??
Einfach Großartig! Ich werde mir diese Geschichte bestimmt noch ein paar Dutzend male durchlesen.
Promesse page 28
Son Bra sammelt gerade Sympathiepunkte, wie ich sehe. Das sind die Szenen im frühen Verlauf des Comics, die irgendwie Fragen aufwirft, warum sie zu ihren älteren Brüdern immer so ungaublich toxisch ist.
Niemand macht Nekomajin was vor im Bezug auf Gags. Gotenks hat wohl seinen Meister gefunden. Super Match-up.
DBMultiverse Colors page 486
Niemand macht Nekomajin was vor im Bezug auf Gags. Gotenks hat wohl seinen Meister gefunden. Super Match-up.
Ah, the good old three-breasted “Total Recall” reference. Now I have to think about the novel too. There's a funny little addition to the flirty exchange between U18 Trunks and the alien woman. Haha.
DBMultiverse Colors page 484
Die Verwendung von Matrix als Cover ist perfekt. Das hätte ich auch so gemacht.
Super Dragon Bros Z page 218
Ich frage mich, wie viel von diesen Lehren Bestand haben werden. Denn später setzt Mark in DBZ nicht mehr viel davon in die Tat um. Ich hoffe, wir erfahren auch, warum Videl's Mutter anscheinend vom Erdboden verschluckt wird und dieses Thema niemals angesprochen wird.
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Early dayz page 48
There are a lot of Kaioshin, or at least members of this race, who refer to themselves as gods in DBM.
I also wonder what happened to everyone in the time between XXI's defeat and Kid Buu's appearance. Because later in the battle against Bibidi's monster, there were apparently only 5 left.
If one wants to speculate, one could argue that something happened to the Shinju tree, which produced no/fewer Kaio fruits, leading to the slow extinction of the species.
DB Multiverse page 2620
I also wonder what happened to everyone in the time between XXI's defeat and Kid Buu's appearance. Because later in the battle against Bibidi's monster, there were apparently only 5 left.
If one wants to speculate, one could argue that something happened to the Shinju tree, which produced no/fewer Kaio fruits, leading to the slow extinction of the species.
Females was saying:
The Kaioshin have probably followed the oldest of all Dragon Ball traditions. xDWait, why did they only have one Kai fight when they had so many other to help out? Was the one Kai at the beginning that much stronger than the others? I'm just confused.
uiui was saying:
Man, würden die sauer sein wenn sie herausfänden dass man das Schwert nur kaputt machen muss.
O welch vortreffliche Ironie, die das Schicksal webt so fein:
Auf Seite 407 flüstert’s leis, das Z-Schwert schützt sich vor Kaioshin allein.
Und doch ruht es im Reich der Kaioshin, fern von jedem fremden Schritt,
wo keinem Außenseiter je Eintritt gewährt wird – ein Schutz, der ewig sitzt!
Justanotherturtle was saying:
Perhaps XXI was the first universal threat the Kaioshin ever had to face. In that case, it would make sense why Old Kai, of all people, is so concerned about XXI's presence. He (perhaps) only knows XXI as a threat. All other antagonists are new to him. From the outset, he assumes that the danger he knows is more threatening than those he does not know. (regarding Old Kai from U9 during the later parts of the DBM tournament)
Why is XXI getting special treatment in Elder Kai's eyes?
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Ich habe einen Fehler gemacht. Natürlich handelt es sich nicht um ein Flashback in Panel 3, sondern um eine von Bardocks Visionen. Allerdings sagt Bardock es so, als hätte er diese Vision nicht jetzt, sondern vor dem Kampf gehabt. In gewisser Weise kann die Platzierung der Vision in diesem Moment als eine kleine Rückblende betrachtet werden.