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The Big Gete Star was saying:

How did Polar die? Mentioned in Novel?

Bojack killed him, after the entire 'remaining' Crew used teamwork to gang up on Polar. See Page 2298.
So ironic, the best display of teamwork in DB(-fanfiction), of all people, it's this Hera-Jin Space-Pirate Crew.

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The city's skyline looks incredible. Great work by the artist. It definitely has a different architectural style than the cities on Frieza's planet in DBZ—similar, yet distinct. I wonder what else served as inspiration besides DB itself. Coruscant from Star Wars comes to mind.

DB Multiverse page 2650

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Panel 1 ist sowas von Perfekt. Die Lichteffekte in den Farben sind unglaublich. Man weiß manchmal garnicht wie sehr solch ein Effekt den Eindruck auf eine Szene beeinflusen kann. Bardock's Augen wirken gelblich, anstatt grünlich, aber das ist wegen den Lichteffekten, welches druch Coldyu's Attacke generiert wird. Großes Lob an das Colors-Team.

DBMultiverse Colors page 514

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Bardock im letzten Panel. Das ist eines der Fälle, wo die Qualität von Asura noch nicht ausgreift war. Ich möchte nicht haten, lediglich mich daran erinnern wie sehr sich Asura seitdem weiterentwickelt hat. Freue mich sehr, wie so ein Ausnahmekünstler hier bei DBM so eine unglaublichen Verbesserung erlebt hat, die man miterleen kann. Von Seite zu Seite. Die Faren unterstreichen die Qualitätsunterschiede nochmals.

DBMultiverse Colors page 513

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Das hier war lange Zeit eines meiner Lieblings Turnierkämpfe in DBM. Es ist eine wirkliche Freude es endlich in Frabe zu sehen. Danke an das Team.

DBMultiverse Colors page 512

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Irgendwie wirken die Panels "unscharf". Ich weiß nicht, ob es an der Skalierung der Originalseite liegt, oder die Koloristen einen bestimmten Effekt herbeirufen wollten.

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Es sieht schon ziemlich cool aus. Das kann man nicht leugnen. Trotzdem frage ich mich, warum Goku nicht den SSJ2 eingesetzt hat. Diese Form hätte definitiv ausgereicht, um Bardocks Aufprall abzufedern. 1 Replie(s)

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Xehanorto was saying:

This might be when we see the Kaios seal Bojack away, since from their perspective the organized villainy of the Frost Demons is much more tolerable compared to the rampant destruction and chaos that the Space Pirates could bring.

I have to agree with that. The in-universe reason why the Frost Demons, of all beings, were tolerated by the Kaios (and Kaioshins) in the past might possibly be that Freeza and his race were actually interested in governing. In a sense, they maintain functioning interstellar civilizations that engage in trade and are rule-abiding, etc. Even though Freeza’s family, for example, is organized like a dictatorship and occasionally destroys a planet, the overarching ecosystem of the universe functions this way. Bojack, on the other hand, isn’t interested in ruling. He destroys everything in his path like a plague of locusts.

Very nice cover art. I wonder who the woman(?) below Bojack is; there were six surviving members of the last special, and she isn't any of them; it was the five that we recognized, plus some long-haired dude. Maybe Cold's dad has some backup jackylls in storage.

We mustn’t forget that in the U16 Special, Chapter 77, we see a trio of Jaykals, also known as Hera-Jins. According to their statements on pages 1777 through 1779, they were administered a serum that was either improved or similar to the one given to Bojack. Later on in the special, we also see civilians who look very much like ordinary Jaykals, or Hera-Jins.

This means the race is definitely not extinct in DBM continuity. Only their home planet was devastated by the Frost Demons. We can safely assume that Bojack’s crew are not among the last remaining members of their species. Unlike the Saiyans.

As for the character in the bottom left corner of the cover, I have no idea. It seems to be a new original character, which I welcome. And the sixth member of the remaining Bojack crew from the last special will likely be the final casualty of the Bojack crew before they’re sealed away by the Kaios.

SSGSSJ4VEGITO was saying:

Im actually excited about this one, womder if it will be just Snower who fights or if it will be Cold and Snower fighting Bojack and his gang. Also I wonder if this will be where the Kais seal Bojack away maybe mid battle or something in weakened state or just by surprise

I’d be against Cold being there in person if Snower dies or loses to Bojack. Because King Cold in DBZ always seems to brag about how invincible he and Frieza supposedly are. The very idea that another species could actually be stronger than Frostdemons would never even cross their minds. At least, that’s how Cold comes across in DBZ. If he personally witnessed his stronger father losing to people of a different race, I’d argue he wouldn’t behave the way we’re used to seeing him. 1 Replie(s)

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Axadro was saying:

Ich finds immer wieder witzig das ein Detail anscheinend nie vorkommt wenn es um die Frostdämonen geht, wobei es sein kann das es nur in der deutschen Version vorkommt aber ich glaube nicht.
Beim anflug von Freezer und Cold auf die Erde sagte Freezer das Cold Ihm helfen würde selbst wenn dieser keine Lust darauf hätte weil sonst seine Oma, also Colds Mutter, eine ordentliche Tracht prügel verteilen würde. Das ist zwar die einzige Stelle wo jemals ein weibliches Mitglied der Spezies beschrieben wird aber dennoch finde ich es witzig das es wohl von allen übersehen wird, einschließlich Toriyama und den Teams die offizielles Zeug erstellen.

Ich muss zugeben, das wusste ich nicht. Entweder hatte ich es schon vor langer Zeit vergessen, oder es ist mir nie aufgefallen. Auch wenn es zu Toriyamas Humor passen würde, ziehe ich DBMs Idee vor, dass sich Frostdämonen asexuell fortpflanzen.

Slav was saying:

Ich danke dir, für für die Übersicht. Seit Hanasias Fanfic, liegen schon ein paar Jahre zurück und ich hatte noch in Erinnerung das der hier, eine Rebellion gegen den Patriarch Blizzard, als abtrünniger Sohn geführt hat. 😄Bis zur Entstehung der Piraterie von Bojack war er noch an der Macht, oder zumindest seine eigenen beiden Söhne. Dieses Kapitel wird sehr wahrscheinlich verdeutlichen, warum am Ende nur noch Cold, mit seinem eigenen Nachwuchs später verblieb und wie die Kaios eingreifen mussten.

Das ist wahrlich sehr faszinierend. Ich mag die DBM Lore bezüglich Frostdämonen und Hera-Jins aka Jaykals. Wer hätte es gedacht, ausgerechnet diese beiden Spezies zusammenzubringen.

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Reminder for the course of the chapter. Any crashing out regarding the fact that there is a Bojack chapter at all will not be tolerated. Please do not ask for other specials from other universes in the comments.

Here is a small graphic that illustrates Freeza's family tree in the DBM-Continuity. It was created using information from previous specials and the content of the “Hanasia, Queen of the Saiyans” novel.

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A quick refresher on what we know from previous specials and what this cover on this page suggests.

After the empire of Snower and his sons Cold and Polar attacked Planet Jayna, the Jaykals (aka Hera-Jin) secretly worked on a project to become stronger than the Frost Demons themselves. It worked, but Bojack turned renegade, killed the (apparently) military leader, made a name for himself as a space pirate, and killed Polar in battle. 1 Replie(s)

CellJuniorJunior was saying:

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Hoffentlich erfahren wir wie Cold zum neuen Herrscher wird. Dazu muss etwas mit Snower passieren und ich bin mir ziemlich sicher, dieses Kapitel wird es endlich aufklären. Vielleicht erfahren wir auch wie die 4 Kaios die restliche Bojack Bande versiegelt.

Frage mich immernoch wie von allen interessanten Movie Bösewichten Bojack von Salagir ausgewählt wurde der hat praktisch gar kein charackter

Der Hauptgrund hierfür scheint darin zu liegen, Bojack's Film passt perfekt in die Kontinuität von DBZ (und damit auch in die von DBM), ohne dass irgendetwas geändert werden muss.

Slav was saying:

Müsste der kleine gehörnte aufm Thron, nicht basierend auf Hanasias Fancic, Freezers Opa sein!? 😁

Das ist absolut richtig. Falls jemand an den Details von Freezer's Stammbaum in der DBM-Kontinuität interessiert ist, könnte diese Tabelle hilfreich sein.

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The question is, will this chapter shed light on the demise of Cold's father or the sealing of Bojack's gang by the Kaios? Maybe even both. I'm very excited. The art style is definitely very interesting.

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The fact that Cyborgs/Robots cannot be detected via Ki sensing is played out perfectly in favor of the villains in this scenario.

Finally, C17 can shine. Of all the Legacy characters in DBM so far, I think he had the most unglamorous portrayal. 2 Replie(s)

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We absolutely need Pan's reaction in panel 3 as an emoji for the Discord server. 😂

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@Regarding the Q&A from Salagir and Dark Senzu. The topic is being prolonged unnecessarily and is not part of today's page. It is drifting too far off-topic. I kindly ask that you not continue this topic any further.

@U18 Vegeta
Regarding Vegeta's defeat.
I understand the frustration. People expected an entire chapter dedicated to the confrontation between the two Vegetas. But the allegation that our Vegeta was treated unfairly, just to make him look ridiculous, is more than unjustified.

No legacy character in DBM has had a better run in terms of portrayal than Vegeta. If you disregard OCs, U18 Vegeta has only had scenes that portray him positively or, at worst, neutrally since the beginning of DBM. All of his tournament fights have shown him to be mature, dominant, and resourceful. He brought up the Saiyans' misguided ways in the fight against his alter ego from U10. He fought an honorable battle against his son from the future, even though he could have taken him out from the start. He left behind his years-long obsession with Goku in his past by half-heartedly defeating Kakarot. And he didn't even give Cell the honor of presenting his new form. Even in his tournament defeat against Goku, Vegeta was satisfied and even lost with a smile on his face. The match could have gone either way in the final stages, as both were at the same level.

Even outside of the tournament, we see the incredible soft power of U18 Vegeta. He is the one who motivates Pan to fight Kakarot. He trusts Pan to save her mother from Majin spectators so that she can gain experience herself. He was the one who held Bra in his arms when Hatchiya screamed, to at least give her a little comfort. Vegeta was one of the few who actually mastered the Majin Punisher. In the Colors version, he is one of those who rushes to Pan's rescue against Kakarot. Even in the novel, it was U18 Vegeta who was one of the first to notice that U11 Babidi was up to something and wanted to confront the wizard, which forced Babidi to put forward his plan/the MR arc. And much, much more.

I don't want to dictate whether people should like this chapter or not. But I just want to take a stand that U18 Vegeta has been presented in an incredibly flattering way throughout the entire comic so far. And that one bad “L” is not the same as Salagir treating Vegeta the way DBZ treated Vegeta.

iron leaf was saying: However, the scene moved so quickly that by the time they had a chance to ask a Namekian, Babidi had already intervened. And then Zenbuu. (Page 69)

Actually, in the Q&A session of the very next page 70, it stated:
“Would the organizers have healed Uub (as they are supposed to, but that's a big wound)?
Hu... good question. They don't have senzu, but the Vargas may have good surgeons. I'd say the Vargas would have sewed the arm back (over a long time in ER) then an organizer Namekian would have healed him.”

So for Namekian to heal a broken arm, you need surgeons to stitch your arm back first then the healing can work.
Touché
I don’t think anyone here can stitch Vegeta’s broken arm back, especially the arm kind broken into pieces in page 2638

Touché

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Fluxx was saying:

hey danke. soviel war mir, dank der Kommentare klar. aber was die technik genau macht ist nicht wirklich bekannt oder?
kommentare hab ich alle gelesen. danke

Der Anwender schießt mit beiden Händen einen Blitzstrahl auf das Ziel und fängt den Gegner in einem elektrischen Feld ein. Laut Yamcha in der englischen Synchronisation wandelt diese Technik die gesamte Energie im Körper des Anwenders in 20.000 Volt Elektrizität um.

Der Angriff ist extrem tödlich und gefährlich, weshalb Roshi ihn lieber nicht einsetzt. Normalerweise kann der Gegner nicht entkommen, doch Goku gelang die Flucht, indem er sich beim Anblick des Vollmonds in einen Oozaru verwandelte.

Es gibt viele Spekulationen darüber, dass Roshi lediglich mit der Todbringenden Wirkung des Angriffs geblufft hat, um Goku einzuschüchtern und ihn zur Aufgabe zu zwingen.

In diesem Zusammenhang ist auch erwähnenswert, wie Son Bra den Angriff gleichzeitig gegen drei Gegner einsetzt. Und wir können deutlich sehen, wie alle drei gleichermaßen von dem Angriff betroffen sind. Es gibt auch Spekulationen, dass Bankoku Bikkuri Shō nicht mit der Kraft des Anwenders (Son Bra) zusammenhängt, sondern mit der des Opfers (Nappa, Kakarot, Vegeta). Mit anderen Worten: Nappa empfindet eine andere Intensität des Schmerzes als Vegeta. Der Grund für diese Spekulation ist, zu erklären, warum ein Saiyajin in seiner Base Form und ein SSJ3 Saiyajin durch denselben Angriff gleichermaßen außer Gefecht gesetzt wurden. (Letztendlich kann dies als Comic-Relief abgetan werden.)

ArabSuperSaiyan was saying:

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Roos was saying:

Or find his counterpart in their universe lol. He'll have no idea why they are so insistent on befriending him haha.

After DBM is over, back in U18 on New Namek:

Pan:
“OMG, Luska, there you are. You're the best, how many times have you helped us out of a jam. I just had to meet you again and thank you for your help. Even though you're a different version, you're still the same person. Hopefully we can be friends.”

Luska:
“Who are you? How do you know my name? What's going on here?”

😂

Roos was saying:

Just theory crafting here, but I'm guessing the plan is to have him freed at some point and there'll be a rematch. I do think Vegeta 18 wouldn't kill him though, just humiliate him proper, and then Raditz will actually get the kill on him and Nappa.

If they actually take the U13 Saiyan trio back to their base camp, something like that could happen. It would be quite interesting if XXI's people could operate behind enemy lines and weren't automatically taken out of action until the end of the arc.

kyra was saying:

They forgot about 18.. Piccolo can't sense her ki she is free to report back to xxi

Once again I’m reminding people that this mess wasn’t cleaned up as Android 18 escaped.

She can now tell XXI that the good guys didn’t get trapped.

I'm glad that U14 finally has something to do. Their advantage of not being detected by KI sensing makes them invaluable allies to XXI in this particular scenario.

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So the Namekian can heal broken arm? Then why Uub ask for other’s help at the beginning of the tournament?
I thought only senzu or Buu or Gast can regenerate your broken body pieces.

Pan did mention that Uub should ask a Namekian. However, the scene moved so quickly that by the time they had a chance to ask a Namekian, Babidi had already intervened. And then Zenbuu. (Page 69) 1 Replie(s)

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Son Bra uses the good old Galactic Donut™. So extra effort is being made to ensure that the trio survives. Interrogation incoming.

Luska is proving to be a helpful team member. The Z-Fighters should take him with them to U18 when everything is over. Haha. 1 Replie(s)

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Diese Seite unterstreicht die rohe Brutalität eines solchen Faustkampfs. Die Effekte sehen phänomenal aus. Cold wird im Moment als echte Bedrohung für Bardock dargsetellt. Wirklich sehr mitreißend.

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Damals behauptete Roshi, dass er Goku mit diesem Angriff töten könne, und nutzte dies als Erpressungsmittel, um Goku zur Aufgabe zu zwingen. Allerdings wurde Roshis Angriff unterbrochen, als Goku sich in einen Oozaru verwandelte. Nun frage ich mich, wie viel Wahrheit in Roshis Aussage steckte.

Denn in diesem Szenario wendet Son Bra diese Technik gleichzeitig bei drei Personen an, die sich in ihrer Kampfkraft enorm unterscheiden. Woher wissen wir, dass Nappa überleben wird? Oder ist die Wirkung unabhängig von der Kampfkraft? Ein sehr interessantes Thema. 1 Replie(s)

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Ouroboros was saying:

Honestly why does the Power level Hammer know so many techniques ?

Even though Vegetto and Son Bra have a complicated relationship, she receives continuous training. Vegetto (at least from his point of view) teaches her everything she might need for her future. See Page 303.

Kururun was saying:

So Vegeto decided to learn that (from Roshi? Despite being depicted as an arrogant prick who looks down on techniques?) and then teach it to her? It's moving the issue somewhere else, now we have to think Vegeto the BIGGER NUMBERRRRR TECHNIQUES DON'T MATTER guy is picking up moves from 12 year old Goku's fights (and then also teaching it to his daughter on top of that) instead of Goku himself?
Goku is the martial artist with an eternal wall to scale here, I think these moves are thematically way more appropriate in his bag than these guys who are pretty disconnected from these martial arts roots..

You obviously did not remember or did not read the U16 Novel.

OldDBFan was saying:

Didn't expect this, thought I guess Bra and Piccolo would like to question them. But I have a question of my own: Where have gone their black flames?

Well spotted. That's right, the black XXI smoke isn't visible. I guess it's because, at the very moment the attack hits them all, it was omitted for the sake of better visual clarity. We'll probably see it on the next page. Or maybe the attack somehow negates the smoke. It's hard to say.

Kururun was saying:

That's a matter that was discussed in the previous pages and thus less relevant for today's one, but I'll answer nonetheless: the writers decided 1. Vegeta needed saving and 2. Goku was unavailable but Bra wasn't.
Change any of these and you can have solutions that maintain the sacred internal logic while keeping the chapter and payoff focused on characters that are actually relevant to the matters at hand.

So, when a writer develops a scenario, they establish certain things for the setting. Places, characters, motivation, etc.

In the MR-Arc, Babidi teleported away all the good tournament participants (with exceptions). A setting was developed where a certain group of people fight, while other characters were left out. So, theoretically, one could ask on every page, why did Babidi do it that way? Yes, because the author wanted it that way. And the story followed the setting that was introduced at the beginning of the MR arc. There's no point in complaining about it on every page.

At the beginning of the chapter, we saw most of the characters are in the U16/U18 base camp. If you wanted to exclude Son Bra from participating in the rescue mission, you could have made sure to not show her at the beginning, which could have hinted that she was experiencing a different adventure similar like Vegeta and Pan. But that wasn't done. She was shown, making her available as a potential character for later scenes. Son Bra's presence on page 2622, is quite frankly a chekhov's gun for her being used here now.

You complain about why the story wasn't written completely differently from the beginning (of the chapter). Let me portray it with an example outside Dragonball. You don't take Resident Evil 4, and complain that Umbrella is no longer part of the game. "Argh, the game developers decided that Leon would now fight Spanish cults, but if they had rewritten something at the beginning, we could have seen Umbrella as the enemy again." Well, duh. 3 Replie(s)

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Kururun was saying:

At least use Goku if you had to bring back a (literal) blast from the past, he's the one who was there and experienced it firsthand, from his master.

But ... Son Bra did learn it from someone with firsthand experience with that technique. And she calls him father. 2 Replie(s)

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That's the strangest Light Grenade I've ever seen. 😂

But seriously. It's really nice that old techniques are being revisited (except Dodonpa, it seems, aggressive panting), which apparently a lot of people, I mean a whole lot of people, didn't have on their radar.

So, unless Nappa happens to see a moon and transforms into an Oozaru, he should actually die. Unless Son Bra regulates the strength of the attack so much that it doesn't kill anyone. Hmm, Roshi was definitely in the same general power level tier as Goku. Here, the power levels vary enormously. 3 Replie(s)

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Nach all den Jahren erinnert sich U16 Piccolo weiterhin sehr gut, wie Vegeta so war, bevor Vegetto geboren wurde.

Damian Qualshy was saying:

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Just to clarify, I believe this scenario with Son Bra and Piccolo as the rescue team makes sense. Nevertheless, I would have personally preferred it if there had been at least three of them, with Gohan joining the team. Three people in Piccolo's safety bubble would still be acceptable in terms of maneuverability (worse than with only two people, but not as difficult as in the last chapter where all the survivors U16/U18 Z-Fighters were in a safety bubble together). Meanwhile, at base camp, we have a second Son Gohan, then the alarmed Son Goten & Trunks are ready for the fusion, plus Son Goku, who would probably have paused his search for injured civilians to be ready for battle. During the rescue mission, Son Bra could have performed the teleportation rescue, while Son Gohan could have hit U13 Vegeta with full force. That would have been my alternative.

Utility was saying:

Every other time, no matter how much the odds were against her, she won. Her only real loss was to Gohan as a little kid who she's been shown to be able to beat 2 of them now.

I won't dispute your analysis. I just wanted to briefly note that hyperbole can be very concerning for a healthy culture of discourse. Statements that go to such extremes and are often repeated without context can create a false narrative among readers.
Piccolo is not the smartest strategist who can always analyze things flawlessly. Gohan is not the absolute pacifist who despises fighting with every fiber of his being. Goku is not the mentally disabled idiot who knows nothing but fighting. I just don't want Son Bra to be mistakenly pigeonholed, even if it's only to correct the fact that she does indeed lose fights.

Utility was saying:

I can somewhat agree with you about the chapter titles don't always have to be what the full chapter is about, but that one in particular you mentioned was just called "XXI" and it showed his first fight and the repercussions of it so I wouldn't say that one is misleading.

Regarding misleading chapter titles. I wouldn't say that chapter 112 paints a false picture. The question arises as to which Vegeta is better, and from the moment we accompany Vegeta with Pan and Luska, U18 Vegeta appears in 14 pages, and U13 Vegeta also appears in 14 pages so far. Son Bra, on the other hand, has only appeared in 3 pages so far. I don't dispute that she steals the limelight. However, you can't say that the majority of the chapter isn't about the conflict between the two Vegetas. While we're on the subject of whether a chapter could have any connection to the theme of its title.

What do you mean "Perhaps"? >:(
Next you're gonna say it's Kiko-ho.

I allowed myself a little joke, as the hand poses for initiating two fighting techniques look identical. Jackie Chun's Thunder Shock Surprise and Piccolo Light Grenade are both initiated in the same way. Hence the ambiguous comment that it could be either one or the other.

Andres was saying:

I think I have an idea....

Is it like an OG technique? As in original DB technique? As in 1980s technique... by a really, really old dude? :D

Quite possible. It could indeed be a technique that did not kill the user despite its (usual) lethal effect, perhaps because the victim was a Saiyan, which inevitably led to the summoning of a giant monkey, which in turn led to the destruction of the moon. But who knows, it could be anything, maybe the Kikoho. 🤭 1 Replie(s)

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gourry was saying:

Light grenade?

Zefarg was saying:

Looked familiar instantly, had to think about what it is tho. Looks like Light Grenade, wish the OG brought it back, since it was used only once vs Cell if I am not mistaken

papupata was saying:

She's clearly charging up a solar flare

supersaiyan2kakarot was saying:

The technique Piccolo used against imperfect Cell. Don’t know its English name. Light Grenade?

Angelo was saying:

havent commented in years but bra using light grenade is toughhhh

RealNate was saying:

She was trained by Gohan. Although, a Masako-Ha would have made more sense.

Is Son Bra using light grenade?

Captain Carbonite was saying:

This is for sure the light grenade.

Damian Qualshy was saying:

Uh oh, Bra is pulling a Light Grenade! Finally some Piccolo techniques!

brolyhater was saying:

Light Grenade seems fitting!

ssjlucario was saying:

Weird to pull the Light Grenade out of nowhere, funnier she's using the technique of the guy she's standing right next to

ssjlucario was saying:

Weird to pull the Light Grenade out of nowhere, funnier she's using the technique of the guy she's standing right next to

Arctika was saying:

To everyone, it has been used recently in the novel, so, more reason for you to read it !

That was indeed an interesting scene in ... cough Chapter 169 ... cough. Or maybe it was 168, or maybe 170. Who knows?

Sergio was saying:

Bankoku Bikkuri Shō ?

瘦布欧 was saying:

It's truly nostalgic—to think that was 30 or 40 years ago!

vegy was saying:

What are you guys even going on about? This whole battle is nothing but thematic (besides being a tutorial for battles in timestopland). It might not be "too shounen" but there's absolutely no point in the 2 vegetas battling each other, we already know who's the winner there. Therefore they took a different approach, "our" Vegy getting first burdened by protecting his "family" and actually sacrificing his victory to protect them, and then saved by his "family", with the classic trope which makes the "altruist vegeta" be the real winner. And of course Bra, her "daughter", is thematically relevant in such a scenario.

I would've liked a little bit more Vegy vs Vegy action with the constraints, but this is way better than just a boring battle with an obvious winner, and of course if someone has to save him it's Bra...

I agree with you. There was no reason to have a regular 1-on-1 fight between the two Vegetas, since we already knew that U18 Vegeta was the better fighter. They deliberately gave ours an enormous handicap to create suspense in an otherwise obvious situation. The fact that DBM preferred to let Vegeta save Pan rather than allow him to win with the handicap is, in my opinion, evidence of a greater portrayal and development of our royal sourpuss.

Dicax was saying:

So, did the bad guys use telepathy to know to call it "the Frozen" or is that what the bad guys were already calling it and the good guys just lucked into the same name? I mean, they could have landed on "the Freeze", "The Cold Zone", or any other near variant- convenient. U13 could have simply said "If you free him, he'll die of blood loss!" to avoid this.

It does seem like an incredible coincidence that both Goku on page 2624 and U13 Vegeta refer to the state of IKL's technique as “frozen”. Haha, someone basically made their job easier by having both parties independently come up with the same name.

basemynick was saying:

Here's the thing, why wouldn't they send Bra? It makes the most sense: they had reason to think Vegeta's group was in danger, which means it was a threat 18 vegeta couldn't handle alone. Goku could've gone, but that would take longer than Bra blasting ahead with Piccolo like Vegeta did with the other namekian, and Bra was more confident she could take on whatever threat was putting Vegeta etc in danger. It was likely a very quick decision on her end.

So how would it make any sense for Goku to stop Bra and say "hang on, I'm slower and weaker than you, and roughly as strong as vegeta, let me go instead!"

Haha, yes, in a way. The longer you think about it, the less sense it makes to take Son Bra out of the picture. DBM already has established lore (at least you would expect that after over 2000 pages), which some people always want to ignore for some reason. Furthermore, at the beginning of the chapter, we already saw how Son Bra is one of the people who does nothing specific at base camp. Goten and Trunks practice the new Metamoran Fusion with each other. Goku was shown rescuing civilians from the Frozen. Going the extra mile to explicitly dissuade someone who is currently doing something, as opposed to someone who is completely free, makes little sense.

Frartan117 was saying:

Leeeets see Bra: Oh she kills a great part of his family and Friends with a smile from ear to ear and what she gets: "oooh pooor baby, you were possesed, bad Vegetto, of course everybody forgives you, Ghast even save you and mocks Vegitto, ahh ss2? Sure you can control It after killing everybody, why not? :)"

Um, yes, the Majin Power Boost remains. Unlike the Majin Resilience, which disappears with the spell. Some may not see it that way in DBZ and Vegeta's SSJ2. But in DBM, it's part of the continuity. For example, after the MR arc, U8 Freeza can now control the 5th Form on his own, which he couldn't use before.

Frartan117 was saying:

Something tells me she is not going to pay for these smug faces anytime soon, probably she wont even die a single time in the story, i wonder why. In fact, she didnt lose a single fight in the story.

That's not true. Son Bra lost battles in DBM.

DissapointedReader was saying:

mulled_piss was saying: I have to ask again, what is the thematic relevance of Bra's appearance in this chapterWhy even make the chapter cover about U13 and U18 Vegeta for that matter? Potentially grueling tactical battle showcasing U18 Vegeta's character growth sacrificed so the boring OC character can once again show us how STWONG she is. I don't know what I was expecting. This is an extremely unsatisfying resolution. It's like building up to the Naruto vs Sasuke rematch only for Naruto to slip on a banana peel before the fight can commence just so Sasuke can be one-shotted by some uber strong OC shinobi out of nowhere that has never even had a single conversation with Sasuke, but OMG is he so STWONG!!! Sure, its not satisfying, but it makes sense that the uber strong OC shinobi would show up instead of just relying on Naruto!

I think some people put too much emphasis on chapter titles. Do you remember chapter 33? It was supposed to herald a revelation about XXI. In the end, XXI hardly appears in the chapter at all. 3 Replie(s)

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The last panel makes you feel nostalgic. I wonder who will be the first to recognize the technique, or whether anyone will recognize what it is at all. 8 Replie(s)