Oh, I really like how all four Gast Cell-Arc Specials are basically reviews of Earth from a tourist's perspective. Good at first, but steadily getting worse. Haha. I really hope Thorn doesn't die in this chapter.

I don't want to coerce the discussion to stop. However, I should mention that there is no in-universe reason why Son Bra has a inconsistent appearance in the original vision on page 732. There is no twist. It is quite frankly just a mistake on the part of the creators. 1 Replie(s)

Oh wow, das ist ja ein total süßer Name und die Skizze ist der absolute Hammer. Danke fürs Teilen. :)

Sie dachten ernsthaft, es würde ein Spaziergang im Park werden.

Die Seite wirkt, als würde man sich von Gohan/Nasu verabschieden. Ich befürchte er wird es nicht überleben.

Ah, eine Terminator Referenz. Dann verstehe ich die vorherige Seite und warum ein Polizist absichtlich alles in die Luft jagen würde, während einer Verfolgungsjagd.

Er sollte nicht vor einer Frau wie ein Weichei rüberkommen. Wenn das wirklich die 2 Figuren sein sollen, von dem alle ausgehen, dann frage ich mich wie diese sensible Art beim Typen später quasi ganz verloren geht.

Normalerweise landen solche riesigen und modifizierten Raumkapseln nicht an den Stützpunkten der Frostdämonen. Vegeta kann von Glück reden keine Bruchlandung hingelegt zu haben. 1 Replie(s)

Ganz ehrlich, ich finde die vorherige Mini Comic Seite besser. 2 Replie(s)

Der ist sowas von Tod. Er weiß es bloß noch nicht. 1 Replie(s)

Ich weiß, es ist ein Mini-Comic, also nur zum Spaß. Aber mein innerer Erbsenzähler fragt sich, warum Piccolo sich frei bewegen kann, obwohl die Blase nur seinen Kopf umschließt. Wenn er die Blase vergrößern würde, damit er sich wirklich mit seinem ganzen Körper bewegen kann, wie es zu Beginn des Kapitels etabliert wurde, wäre der Radius der Blase groß genug, um Vegeta sozusagen aufzutauen, weil er nah genug an seinem Kopf wäre. Okay, ich übertreibe es. Natürlich. Ich wollte es trotzdem erwähnen.


Ich bin froh, dass der Youtube-Algorithmus mir das bisher nicht gezeigt hat. Aber ich habs angeklickt .... nein!

Ganz ruhig. Es ist nur ein Comic. Kein Grund emotional zu werden. 2 Replie(s)

Did the driver just commit suicide? Why is he driving into a 90-degree curve at such a crazy speed? Even if the goal was to run him over, what did he intend to do to avoid colliding with the trees? LoL

Ja, Flugbegleiterinnen sehen immer super süß aus. :) 1 Replie(s)

Ich gebe zu, ich habe vergessen, dass der Affe im Deutschen Bananas heißt.

I have to specifically mention that I love the addition in the first panel. We actually see the scene of Vegetto trampling on Bardock's and Cold's heads on the screen in the control room. This conveys even better the feeling that this Vargas is completely losing his mind. In the black-and-white version, the screen is blank. Excellent addition by the colorists. Thank you.


Interesting thought. I would argue that it doesn't sound too far-fetched that a lot of time passes between the fights. I would have to study the comic and the novelization more closely in this regard for future discussions. However, in the U12 Special featuring Trunks joining the tournament, it is mentioned on two pages that a lot of time passes before all the tournament participants (since U12 Trunks) arrive. Even though the double special was not written by Salagir, he approved it. So it is definitely part of the comic continuity.

Eine wirklich wunderbare Seite. So oft wie wir es als Zuschauer auch zu sehen bekommen, werde ich es nie müde Vegeta verlieren zu sehen. Und der Gesichtsausdruck hier ist sehr beeindruckend gezeichnet.

Das ist alles sehr gut gezeichnet. Bin sehr gut unterhalten bisher. Gespannt wie sich Bell gegen die Anführer schlagen wird. Die Fußsoldaten sind keine wirkliche Herausforderung.

Schwer nachvollziehbar was man sich dabei gedacht hat Trunks mit Mai zu verkuppeln, anstatt eine komplett neue weibliche Figur auszudenken.

Ein Argument wäre, damit es in beiden Timelines Trunks und seiner potentielle Loveinterest ermöglicht, sich zu verlieben. Hätte man problemlos mit einem neuen Charakter auch machen können.

Stellt euch vor, damals in der Buu-Arc von DBZ, hätte man nicht Videl (als neue Figur) eingeführt, sondern, stattdessen ein bekanntes, aber vergessenes Gesicht neu aufgegriffen. Nehmen wie mal an, Lunch wäre wieder aufgetaucht und man hätte es so hingebogen, dass sie mit Gohan verkuppelt wird. Klingt merkwürdig? Genau so wirkt das mit Mai und Future Trunks. Da kann man nur den Kopf schütteln. 1 Replie(s)

I miss Shokaki.

There will never be a day when I approve of the pairing of Trunks and Mai. It just gives me goosebumps. The kind that send a chill down your spine. Chichi and Yamcha were strange, and this is strange too.


Please pay attention to rule #8. Write complete sentences in the future. Thank you.

Ich bin wirklich fasziniert von den vielen originellen Außerirdischen, die als Fußsoldaten in Coolers Armee dienen. Das zeigt, mit wie viel Kreativität Sayazur bei der Sache ist.

Wie man auf solche Witze kommt, einfach genial. Das trifft wirklich meinen Humor. xD

Hopefully Piccolo won't take any photos of Son Bra with Roman Salute. Otherwise she'll be canceled. xD



You know there are two mini-comic pages coming up. And it's pretty obvious that Son Bra will be made fun of on the second page.

Es war die Blume, die den entscheidenden Unterschied ausmachte, die Geschichte voranzutreiben. Das erinnert mich irgendwie an die Schweine in in der Flashback Szene von Attack on Titan. lol

Hat er gerade eine Art Turbo abgefeuert, nur um vor der Kurve trotzdem abzubremsen? Dominic Toretto wäre stolz xD

Ich glaube die Antwort lautet Ja. xD

Echt super Twist mit XXI's Zauberspruch. Und auch so clever, allerdings funktioniert das nur einmal als Überraschungseffekt.

Son Bra hingegen benimmt sich wie ein Elefant im Porzellanladen. Kein Wunder, dass sie so eine Göre ist, wenn ihr Vater überhaupt nicht reagiert, obwohl sie ihn mehrmals hintereinander beleidigt.

Panel 5 sticht wirklich positiv hervor. Vegettos blasses Gesicht passt perfekt in den Kontext. Er kann nicht fassen, was er hört.

Are you serious? This was one of the fundamental early scenes that showed that U16 Vegetto is not the beacon of good that everyone always thought he was. It was often pointed out that something was brewing in Vegetto, ominous or not. But here we actually saw for the first time that something was wrong with this character. Something must have happened in the 20 years after the Buu arc in U16.

Is this perhaps an attempt by people who dislike Vegetto's role in DBM to retroactively downplay the hints that he is explosive and has a god complex? I can only agree with ZenBuu, it's so clear to see how Vegetto tramples on Cold's and Bardock's heads. 1 Replie(s)

Für so einen Spruch sollte es eigentlich sofort eine Erziehungsschelle geben. DBM hat wirklich früh gezeigt, was für eine verrückte Beziehung Vater und Tochter führen. Vielleicht ist das eben auch kulturelle Differenzen, aber eigentlich sollte sowas garnicht passieren, das ein Kind so respektlos den Vater anredet.

Oh, ich sehe unterschiede zwischen der deutschen und englischen Version. Kleiner Fehler in der Veröffentlichung? Bardock und Cold haben kleine, aber sichtbaren Kampfschäden in Form von Prellungen und Schürfwunden.

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Goku with some inspiring words at the end. That's how it should be. They now have a goal in mind.

That's my opinion too. If there was an official and fair fight between NSSJ Vegeta and Mystic Gohan, Vegeta would win, of course. Not because he is stronger. No. But because he is the better fighter. For some reason, too many people think that NSSJ is actually a new transformation that brings a huge increase in power, like SSJ1 compared to Base Form, SSJ2 compared to SSJ1, etc. That's not the case. NSSJ reduces energy consumption so much that you can hypothetically utilize the wasted energy in NSSJ. Ergo, if SSJ3 is the maximum for Vegeta, then NSSJ is Vegeta's SSJ3 + a little bit extra. In terms of power level, NSSJ is not that extraordinary.


I seriously expected to see the term “character assassination” at least three times in your comment.


Let me put it this way. Sure, the situation surrounding the Piccolo-Vegeta-SonBra-Vision seems forced. I think everyone agrees on that. The question is rather whether it fits the characters or not. Should they act like this at this particular moment? No, definitely not. But I completely believe that this does not work against their personality and character development. In my opinion, everything plays out within the realm of plausibility.


I agree. That is indeed the perfect description for U16 Vegetto. And unfortunately, that is the problem for most DBM readers. They don't want that. Similar to Vegeta here, some people want Vegetto to always be perfect and infallible.


That sentence shows that you're not following my train of thought. (Which is fine, but displays our different understanding of the matter)

It's not about the grand moments. On the contrary, it's precisely the small scenes where he's only visible for one panel and sometimes just standing in the background. That cumulatively shows how the author feels about Vegeta, in contrast to Goku or Piccolo or Gohan, for example. Because let's not pretend that Goku's, Piccolo's, and Gohan's arcs weren't also finished in DBZ.

Let me give you one of dozens of examples. Page 1336. Vegeta holds Bra in his arms to physically support her and provide her with at least some mental comfort against Hatchiyack's scream.

Many would now think that's logical and natural to do. Exactly. Salagir could have just depicted Vegeta and Goku in this panel. And Bra could have been standing next to Trunks or something instead. But the author went to the extra trouble of explicitly showing Bra in Vegeta's arms in this scene. (Which is a net-positive for Vegeta's Character)

And that's exactly what runs through the entire comic (with a few minor exceptions, which I already mentioned in my previous comment). No one else in DBM gets this kind of portrayal, neither Salagir's OCs in general nor the OP characters like Vegetto, ZenBuu, or Gast. And I'm talking in proportion to screen time, because of course Vegetto & Co. have more screen time than Vegeta.

Furthermore, look at Vegeta throughout the entire DBM spectrum. No character is prominently featured in so many universes. And plays different roles. U3 Vegeta, U7 Vegeta (which will definitely come in Special), U10 Vegeta, U13 Vegeta, and of course U18 Vegeta. Sure, Broly also appears often, but except in U3, he always plays the same role.

What I'm getting at is this: Vegeta is treated very favorably by the author in the plot, unlike in other DB fan stories. Whether Son Bra deserves the same treatment is completely irrelevant to my argument. The point is that the author always tries to portray both characters (whether credible and well-implemented or not) in a good light. On today's page, we see one of Vegeta's very, very rare character flaws in DBM. But it fits his personality. I don't understand the huge drama surrounding it. Because, as I said before, it feels like some people (not you, just in general) get mad when post-EoZ Vegeta is shown with a character flaw.


I simply disagree. I think DBM does a good job of highlighting the cultural differences between humans and Saiyans, even if it's incidental. Why am I mentioning this? It plays a big role in why Vegeta shot at Gohan and how both Goku and Vegeta behaved. For true Saiyans, displaying power is something that comes naturally. Goku and Vegeta know that Gohan is the strongest. They both know that Gohan can block the attack with absolute ease. They both know with absolute certainty that no one will be hurt. That's why I would argue that a true Saiyan wouldn't think twice about whether it's appropriate to do something like that. Goku and Vegeta live on Earth, but that doesn't mean they are Earthlings by nature. One could argue that they have learned to behave “humanly” in their environment. But this one instinct, what is in their genes, cannot be ignored or completely conditioned. That's why we have thousands of stories (even post-EoZ) where Vegeta and Goku sometimes behave socially awkwardly, even though they have integrated (or are trying to).


Here, I would say the same thing I said to Roos.

Additionally, I've never been a fan of the idea that a character can only be portrayed positively if they “win” or are the “strongest.” DBM Freeza is an excellent example. DBM portrayed Freeza exactly as he was in the canon and filler. Mecha-Freeza is ridiculously turned into kebab by Future Trunks in seconds. Fusion Reborn Movie Freeza is torn to shreds by Mystic Gohan with one punch. And GT Freeza is made a fool of by Goku. DBM follows the template, plain and simple. What am I getting at? Although Freeza is overshadowed by many other people in DBM, especially in terms of power level, a lot of attention is paid to the background of Freeza's race (by implementing his brother and the augmentation form, etc). I have never seen such a detailed portrayal of Freeza's race, either in canon or in fan fiction. Sometimes there's a Time Patrol Freeza race here, sometimes another lost Freeza brother there. But with the extent to which DBM has created an entire family tree for Freeza, giving virtually every single family member a lot of personality and each one a plot, etc. I've never seen anything like it. And I highly doubt that someone who has no respect for Frieza would go to such lengths.

Here I'm going to make a connection to Vegeta. You don't always have to portray a character as the most likable, the strongest, or the central focus of the plot in order to give them preferential treatment.


I'm not comparing Vegeta and Son Bra's characters, but rather how the author wants to portray them in a positive light. 2 Replie(s)

You seem to be placing a lot of importance on this one statement by U18 Gohan. So much so that it fundamentally shakes the entire framework of the personalities of three characters.

I'm not entirely sure, but I'm guessing Salagir wanted to indirectly refer to page 1811 and page 1812 here. Gohan wanted to subtly remind Vegeta what would happen if he ever threatened or endangered anyone in his family. But because they are in a really bad situation right now, Gohan leaves it at a snide comment. Personally, I would have phrased the escalation leading to the Piccolo-Vegeta-SonBra vision differently. However, I don't see any break in personality in any of them. I fear that some people simply have a romanticized vision of how characters should appear to them. Vegeta can still freak out when the right buttons are pushed.


You're speaking from my heart here.

I've noticed for a long time how DBM almost always portrays (Post-EoZ) Vegeta in the best possible light. As if he were perfect. As if there was a Vegeta-fanboy behind Salagir, threatening him with a gun if Vegeta isn't portrayed as perfectly as possible. People argue that the author bend over to make Son Bra look better, but no one talks about how the same author does exactly the same thing to Vegeta (in 95% of his scenes).


So, I have to refute a misconception that has been perpetuated for a long time.

Vegeta did not target Pan. It was not Vegeta's intention to hurt Pan personally. Vegeta aimed at the door of the HTC. And if anyone was in the line of fire, it was Gohan, because Vegeta wanted Gohan to block the attack. Please stop pretending that Vegeta wanted to hurt Pan in this scene. If anything, it was all just an unintended side effect. (Oh, and Uub was standing next to Gohan and Pan too, just a reminder. For those people who believe Vegeta wanted to kill Pan and Pan alone).


Ever heard of Saiyans, hehe.
No, seriously. Of all the people present, Son Bra and Vegeta are best qualified to escalate a situation rather than calm it down. And unfortunately, that's exactly what's needed right now to fulfill the vision. (Personally, I would have written a different scenario.) 3 Replie(s)

You shouldn't read too much into Gohan's statement. U16 Gohan explains it to Son Bra, and she doubts the explanation. So U18 Gohan explains it to her in a way she would understand.



U16 Gohan: "Vegeta won't hurt Videl."
Son Bra: "I don't understand."
U18 Gohan: "I'm stronger than Vegeta."
Son Bra: "Now I understand." 3 Replie(s)

Der Typ leidet unter einer wahnsinnigen Selbstüberschätzung.

Typisch Goku, raubt Meister Kaio den letzten Nerv.

No. That's completely wrong. You should reread the battle. Vegeta SSJ2 is not stronger than U17 Cell (Post Majin Boost). 1 Replie(s)

I have to say, I like Son Bra's SSJ1 hair. Good decision to leave out the hair tie.

As Gohan just confirmed. Vegeta never intended to hurt Videl, because he knows Gohan would intervene. The fact that Son Bra drew her energy sword only escalated the situation on the previous page. Son Bra merely assumed that Vegeta intended to hurt Videl. 3 Replie(s)

Scheint, als würden wir eine Art Epilog-Montage erhalten.

Teamwork makes the dream work!

Ich erinnere mich, wie Goku und Meister Kaio im Verlauf von Bojack's Film die ganze Zeit auf dem Schlangenpfad verbrachten. Erst später im Anime gingen sie in Dai Kaio's Reich. Aber Filmkontinuität, na ja, wer will das schon im Auge behalten?

For the love of Dende. Please take a closer look at the page before commenting. Thank you.


Could you explain that, please? I don't think I'm aware of that.

I think you mean page 1941. Yes, it's true, Goku commented on it that way. However, that probably applies more to Cell's stamina in general.



Because Son Bra thinks Vegeta is threatening Videl. But just because she thinks so doesn't mean that's the case. Son Bra has clearly jumped to conclusions. But given the situation, you can't blame her.

Very good point. U18 Vegeta knows full well that even though Gohan is a nerd, he is deadly serious about this matter (the safety of his family). And Vegeta respects that. Therefore, based on that alone, we can say that Vegeta never had any intention of actually hurting Videl. And even if he did, Gohan would have intervened in time.

In the U18 Special, it was hinted that Vegeta and Goku haven't fought/trained together since the incident in the HTC. Only when they can surpass Gohan's Mystic Power will they fight each other again. Cut to the next scene. The Vargas invite U18 to the DBM tournament, and Vegeta hints that he has a surprise in store for Goku and is ready to fight him. In other words, we can assume that Vegeta has at least found a way to surpass Gohan's Mystic Form.
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That sounds very plausible.


That's exactly what I think when it comes to how strong Vegeta is compared to Son Bra.


It is established that Cell and Vegeta deliberately fought at SSJ2 level. On the one hand, because Cell wanted to force a Zenkai, which, from his point of view, was only possible if he lowered himself to Vegeta's power level. On the other hand, because Vegeta wanted to give Cell a false sense of security so that he could later eliminate Cell with an SSJ3 sucker punch, as Cell would then be at SSJ2 level.

For the very last time. Vegeta in SSJ2 is not as strong as Mystic Gohan / U17 Cell. 2 Replie(s)

I wonder how Piccolo did that. The protective bubble has to remain large enough for him to move around, but that means that if he gets too close to Bra or Vegeta, he would thaw them out of the Life Skip. On page 2578, Cell's protective bubble looks round when Goku approaches via IT. Hmm, I guess I'm overthinking this. 3 Replie(s)

I have to agree with you in some regard, because the text in the speech bubbles does not reflect what I and other people are saying in the comment section. It is our opinion. Something I read into it. I agree with you that this page could definitely use some fine-tuning in terms of text/dialogue.

Furthermore, I can see that Videl comes across as insensitive to Vegeta here. However, I understand the background. Videl made a harmless suggestion, just brainstorming what they could do. What Videl presented was not a done deal plan to follow. And Vegeta responded with a condescending remark. To an idea that could at least be discussed, and I'm pretty sure that at least Piccolo and Gohan would have considered it for a moment or at the very least discussed it. Vegeta was aggressive in his choice of words and tone of voice from the start. If Videl was cruel to Vegeta, then Vegeta was rude to Videl. You reap what you sow. Videl just escalated it.


I understand. Hopefully there won't be any more misunderstandings. Let's just continue commenting on today's page.

@美洲虎
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No, you're right. You have to remember that Vegeta fans are very well represented in DBM. So much so that sometimes you have to worry about whether you're being gaslighted or something.


Dude, you cut my comment in your quote, literally ignoring what I said after that. Are you trolling or what?

I read the first volumes of Dragon Ball much more often than the later arcs. But thanks for your advice. No need to be snarky here and subtly accuse me of not knowing or understanding the beginnings of Dragon Ball.

You can like Bulma as much as you want. It doesn't change my point of view that this woman picked fights with almost every character in some way, complained incessantly, and much more. She only worked so well in the beginning because, as you pointed out, she was a good contrast to Goku's character. 1 Replie(s)

Yes, it was.
Videl mentions using the Dragon Balls. Vegeta's first reaction is a condescending remark and the desire to kill XXI.
Videl mentions using the Dragon Balls a second time. And Vegeta's response is a remark about Videl's unwillingness to fight.

Videl does not explicitly mention reviving the children. But that is implied in her statement about using the Dragon Balls (when she says "even", meaning after using the wishes for other stuff, they can "even" try and go home to their universe). It would be crazy for Videl to just want to run away and leave the children dead. Vegeta, however, focuses solely on the approach of fighting XXI. The resurrection of the children plays no role at all in either of his statements. So, if the page suggests a lack of interest to revive the dead family members (due to poorly worded statements), then it is Vegeta.

He could easily have added in a byline that the children would of course be resurrected, but that XXI must be hunted down at all costs. But he didn't. 1 Replie(s)

Do you all remember how the entire fandom made fun of the idea that the heroes' victims would be mourned and their family members/friends would create unnecessary drama when everything could be undone with the help of the titular Dragon Balls? For decades, DB fans have been rendered unempathetic to the consequences of the actions in the series itself. Even DBM is guilty of this, because throughout the DBM tournament, the Dragon Balls were always portrayed as the solution to everything.

For the first time in a long time, we finally see someone reacting authentically and plausibly to the death of a loved one. It is not ignored, but actually woven into the current emotional state of the characters in the story. In fact, it's not uncommon in Dragon Ball itself for characters to react extremely emotionally to the death of friends, despite all kinds of supernatural supports such as 2 sets of Dragon Balls and friendships with gods that literally grant them contact with deceased characters. It is much more likely that it is the fandom mentality that wants to create a false image, but that is more theory than fact.

Videl and Vegeta are excellent in the confrontation. I literally love that Videl's and Vegeta's first real on-screen conversation is an argument. Just perfect. The downside, in my opinion, is that we can compare them to the others, who don't elicit such a strong reaction (Gohan, for example). It could be argued that the others are a little more composed, not as easily irritable by personality, and weren't directly triggered by something (after learning of the death of their loved ones).


Interesting comment. I agree with what you said.
Regarding the idea of the DB radar. What if #16 already had a DB radar integrated by Future Bulma? Sure, it doesn't make sense why U12 Bulma would do that. They never found out where New Namek is, and Earth has been at peace for a long time. But it would be a nice twist if #16, who unfortunately hasn't had much to do in DBM so far, were to be given an important role similar to both Piccolos. (Unfortunately, this idea reminds me of Gil from GT.)

Alternatives would be the Kaioshin or perhaps a Varga (Izy), who has a Dragon Ball radar or a general ability to find the Dragon Balls. These would be found and unfrozen by our group of heroes over the course of the story.


To show how people who are tense escalate the situation. We have already seen in this chapter that Vegeta held back an incredible amount of emotion when he saw his dead children. We didn't see it with U16 Videl, but we know that she had to find her daughter dead for the second time. Here, two paths were presented for where the story could go. Fight XXI, or get out of XXI's way. Both are valid points at first glance, but the way Vegeta and Videl present them causes the already emotionally charged characters to push the wrong buttons. I think this is exactly what the story needed.

Why is Videl so hostile? Because Vegeta suggests to her twice in a row that reviving the children is not a priority.
Why does Vegeta become SSJ2? Because Videl implies that he doesn't care about his children. The transformation is his answer, a no. Of course he wouldn't hurt her.
Why does Son Bra interfere? Because she literally only knows Vegeta from stories. He sees a stranger yelling at her sister-in-law. And from Son Bra's perspective, she might actually believe that Vegeta is willing to hurt Videl.
Why does it matter to Son Bra now? Because she wants to make amends for her actions in the MR arc, in her own way, by threatening to hurt someone else in an angry way. Sure, silly, however, it would be too much of a contrast if Son Bra suddenly underwent a 180-degree change in personality. What she does here remains true to her character.
Basically what @Girl Buu said.


Wait, what?
Could you explain that, please? Because, to me, Bulma is one of the most spoiled and annoying characters ever to appear in Dragon Ball. And she only improved after Namek. But 16-year-old Bulma is especially bad.


@Serpent God
Before I write an essay here, I 'll refer you to @AnyEdge's comment. I generally agree with it. 2 Replie(s)

Ich liebe es, dass Vegeta's und Videl's erstes echtes on-screen Gespräch ein Streit ist. Einfach Perfekt!


Zugegeben, Videls Sprechblase scheint etwas seltsam formuliert zu sein. Allerdings verwendet die Übersetzung eine viel bessere Formulierung als die englische Version, die noch verwirrender ist.

So wie ich es interpretiere, meinte Videl, dass ihre Gruppe, sobald sie die Dragonballs gefunden hat, ihre verstorbenen Familienmitglieder wiederbeleben kann und alle nach Hause zurückkehren können. Damit würde XXI erneut in einem leeren Universum gestrandet sein.

But that's precisely the point. On page 2581, Videl learned that Bra and Trunks from U18 had died. From Videl's perspective, Vegeta's priority is not to revive his children, but to seek revenge. That's exactly why she asks this cruel question. We readers and U18 know, of course, that this is not the case. Of course Vegeta wants to revive his children, but he also wants to bring those responsible to justice. 1 Replie(s)

It's pretty obvious that all three are tense and have extremely short fuses.

Videl wanted to take the easy route. Secure their victory with the help of the U1 Dragon Balls. This, of course, means reviving her family members and then returning home. Vegeta is seething with rage at the thought of not avenging his children. Of bringing those responsible to justice.

And Videl, in turn, has another good point. A head-on attack on XXI could fail and lead to their own defeat. From Videl's point of view, Vegeta is openly risking the resurrection of their deceased family members for the sake of revenge.

Of course, Videl's second sentence was unnecessary. However, this applies to emotionally charged people. Especially parents who have just lost their children. And I think it suits Videl quite well. She has always been temperamental and argumentative. A feisty women afterall. Modern DB wants us to believe retroactively that this is not the case just because she got pregnant. We also mustn't forget that this is U16 Videl. She only met Vegeta once at the World Martial Tournament, and only briefly at that. According to the plot, Videl never saw him again and afterwards only knew Vegetto as a family member for 20 years. Videl doesn't really know Vegeta except from the stories of others and what she saw during the tournament from U18 and U13 Vegeta. 2 Replie(s)

Dude, Son Bra is just in SSJ1. To show in a subtle way that Fusion-Born-SSJ1 is enough for Regular-SSJ2. You can already see Son Bra in panel 2. Videl and Vegeta argue and she isn't afraid to agitate him. Son Bra, on the side of her U16 Videl. And that reviving Pan is her priority.


But Vegeta also has his point of view. We just saw how he had to look at the bodies of his children and swore revenge. Everyone heard it and everyone accepted it... in the U18 group

I don't think Vegeta is wrong, per se. Sure, he's offensive, and he was the first to be so. Videl was just making a suggestion. It's not that she's a coward. But Vegeta, even if he's seeking revenge, killing XXI means eliminating the danger. If they just go home, there could still be a 1% chance that XXI will someday come and devour all their universes.

Oh God, I hope Vegeta has a retort or a little counterattack ready before Piccolo intervenes. I wouldn't like it if Vegeta was just silenced, by Son Bra like that. 3 Replie(s)

No, Gregory. Sometimes I forget that this small dark-green cricket is anime-only. ( Related to DB/Z ) 1 Replie(s)

Keine komplette schwarze Leere wie im Oirignal. Das ist unironisch ein interessantes Detail für DBM-Colors.

Sieht beinahe aus wie ein Piratenschiff, lol.

Wie mich dieser Haarstil triggert. :(

Damals fand ich das seltsam. Ich persönlich assoziiere den Schwebestuhl mit Freezer's erstem Auftritt, der laut DBM die dritte Restriktionsform ist, oder anders gesagt, die schwächste bekannte Form von Freezer. Unterbewusst habe ich mir immer vorgestellt, dass ein Frostdämon in seiner ursprünglichen/Orignal Form niemals auf einem solchen Stuhl sitzen würde. Natürlich auf einem Thron, aber der Schwebestuhl kam mir immer wie ein Affront vor. Der Weltraumdiktator, der alles beherrscht, aber sich zu schade ist, um seine Füße zu benutzen. Es wirkte fast immer absichtlich lächerlich, nicht würdevoll oder einschüchternd.

Sehr interessant. Die Handlung hat jetzt genügend Substanz. Beide Parteien sind auf der Suche nach den Dragonballs. Sehr aufregend. Die neue Arc kann jetzt richtig losgehen.

Leider sieht Panel 3 im Vergleich zu den anderen Panels und Seiten in diesem Kapitel visuell etwas schwach aus. Asura hat womöglich den Figuren außer Piccolo auf diesem Panel nicht die größte Aufmerksamkeit geschenkt.

Große Ironie wie Vegeta und Videl gerade jetzt zum aller ersten Mal on-screen miteinander interagieren, und beide sind aus verschiedenen Universen.

Ladies and Gentlemen. The very first interaction between Vegeta and Videl... ever.

Because the topic of universes in DBM has come up again. Here is a graphic that I find quite useful. It shows it in an understandable and simple form.

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Das stimmt.

Shenlong setzt sich aus zwei chinesischen Zeichen zusammen:
Shen = göttlich, heilig
Long / Ron = Drache

Heiliger Drache bzw. Göttlicher Drache sind somit vollkommen korrekt.
Das ist kein Zufall: Der Name ist eine direkte Anspielung auf den klassischen ostasiatischen (vor allem chinesischen) Himmels- bzw. Götterdrachen, der in der Mythologie als wohlwollendes, mächtiges und göttliches Wesen gilt – im Gegensatz zu den meist bösen, feuerspeienden Drachen der westlichen Mythologie.

Toriyama hat Shenron ganz klar nach dem berühmten chinesischen Drachengott (Shenlong) modelliert, der in der chinesischen Mythologie eine zentrale Rolle spielt. Ironischerweise hat die Dragonball-Version dieses Drachentyps die Inspiration bzw. das Original im Bezug auf Popularität quasi ersetzt. In solch einem Ausmaß, dass jegliche Internet-recherche dich oftmals eher auf die Dragonball-Version von Shenlong hinweist, als auf das Original aus der Mythologie. (Vielleicht etwas überspitzt, aber Dragonball ist eine beliebte Suchanfrage, haha)

Panel 2 sieht so episch aus. Ich kann die Spannung auf die nächste Seite spüren.

Ich mag den Titel ;)

Awesome! The setting gives nostalgic Toriyama vibes. The pointy hair tips are something special here. More than usual. I like it.

Ironischerweise war es U6, insbesondere Bojack und Zangya, die damals den Sieg von XXI in Runde 1 ansprachen, obwohl er, wie auch sein Gegner aus U10, nicht im Ring war. Hier ist es wieder ein U6-Mitglied, aber Bujin, der XXI's Auftreten anspricht.

Außerdem hat diese Seite endlich das Gerücht aus dem Weg geräumt, dass XXI, weil U6 sagte, er sei in Runde 1 nicht zu finden, längst weg sei oder gar nicht auftauchen würde.

Und noch etwas: Bujin ist jetzt allein, denn Zangya und Bojack sind derzeit tot, da sie in ihren Turnierkämpfen gestorben sind. Die perfekte Gelegenheit, um ungestört mit den Magical Girls zu reden. ;)

Sogar ein Augapfel flutscht raus, eklig. ... Genau wie ich Fancomics am Liebsten habe. Voller Gewalt xD
Nein, im ernst. Das ist eine gute Szene.

Gleich mal ein Foto machen, lol.

Die Frau steht ihrem Mann zur Seite. In guten wie in schlechten Zeiten.
... Ok, ich befürchte einen schlimmen Plottwist.

Neuer Fancomic, Yeah! 1 Replie(s)

I wonder if anyone will find out what the name Poran is based on.



As I understand the situation with Vegetto destroying XXI's stomach, it is comparable to U4, the final battle between Buugeta and Goku (Page 1022). Goku caused a huge explosion inside Buu in SSJ3, blowing up Buu's entire body and much of the surrounding area, even affecting Dende and Mr. Satan. Buu points out that if the explosion had taken place outside his body, it would have destroyed the planet.

That's how I imagine the situation here. Because XXI's Dragon Balls were stored inside his body, aka his smoke form, they were directly damaged by Vegetto's punch, whereas the U1 Dragon Balls were outside of XXI's body and therefore further away, which means the impact of the shock wave is different and also weaker. This means that the U1 Dragon Balls are still intact, but scattered somewhere.


Interesting thought. However, that would raise the question of why he doesn't use Babidi's Majin Enslavement Spell on all ‘evil’ people if he could copy it. 4 Replie(s)

Ha, XXI should have picked Izy as his servant instead. But seriously, why is Uuv the only one who refers to XXI as master?

It looks like Jeice knows the DBM comment section inside out. 3 Replie(s)

Ich lehne mich mal aus dem Fenster und behaupte dies ist das beste Cover von DBM-Colors. Und das wird vermutlich auch sehr lange der Fall sein. Die Details für Vegetto und XXI, die Animation natürlich, und die Power, welches dieses Bild ausstrahlt. Das könnte man als Poster massenhaft verkaufen. WoW. Großartige Arbeit. 1 Replie(s)

Touché


That's a well-thought-out explanation. Makes sense.

I am fascinated as to why Uuv is the only one who addresses XXI as master. We already saw in chapter 105 how he was influenced by XXI, but now I wonder how. Everyone else (U8, U13, U14) seems to view XXI more as a temporary ally.

Okay, that must have been a huge explosion. Since Vegetto and Gast were closest and were blown away, as we can see, I wonder if they survived. Or the subsequent giant spikes combined with the activation of the Life Skip. It wouldn't be too far-fetched to think that Vegetto's part of the Bardock visions might not take place now, but much later in another arc, after Vegetto is revived.

This page explains so much. We receive a great deal of information throughout this chapter. I am sure some questions that users had on previous pages will be answered here. 2 Replie(s)

Es ist so merkwürdig, Cooler in seiner Originalform zu sehen, der in einem Schwebestuhl hockt wie Freezer. 1 Replie(s)

We really don't know. We never get confirmation of what happened to Konats after Tapion and Minotia were sealed in the musicboxes and then scattered throughout space. Tapion just wonders what might have happened to his world after all this time.

Stimme ich vollkommen zu. Ich persönlich hätte allerdings dennoch andere Design für die Städte auf Konats ausgewählt.

Genau. Konats wird im "Dragon Ball Z – Der Film: Drachenfaust" erwähnt. Das ist der Planet von dem Tapion stammt. Konatsianer nennt man dementsprechend die Bewohner von Konats. Ähnlich wie man die Bewohner der Erde als Erdlinge bezeichnet.

How did you come up with that? That sounds so specific. Did Mr. Satan (as many speculate it's him) or anyone else in Dragon Ball ever show any interest in flowers or vegetation that you would protect with your own life? 3 Replie(s)

Ich bin mir ziemlich sicher, er denkt er sei der coolste. xD

This is such a cool artwork. Wow!

Wie der Vater, so der Sohn. Oh, das wäre so traurig. Chichi würde mitansehen wie ihr Sohn stirbt.

Der Typ hat irgendwie das typische Saiyajin-OC Aussehen. Der rote Streifen im Haar hilft da enorm ihn markant im Chraakterdesign zu machen.

Puff, und weg ist er.

Wenn Cumber nur mit Yamoshi und dem König kämpfen wollte, hätte er nicht einen offenen Krieg anzetteln sollen.

Ich habe mich seit langem an XXI's Design gewöhnt. Auch die Farben kennen wir seit längerem. Nichtsdestotrotz muss ich bei XXI's Tarnung als alter Zauberer immer an Piccolo Daimao denken, als er noch alt war. Es gibt genug Ähnlichkeiten finde ich persönlich um diese beiden zu vergleichen, haha.

I would like to corroborate what Stevethebarbarian stated. Old Kaioshin immediately recognized the smoke monster as XXI. Therefore, from the outset, it was XXI's intention to deceive all possible and potential individuals who might recognize him from other universes by disguising himself as an elderly man. In other words, XXI's disguise was successful. And it took far too long to reveal his true identity, so much so that Old Kaioshin no longer had enough time to devise a proper plan against XXI.

Da freut sich einer, mal wieder seine komplette Kraft in einem einzigen Schlag entfesseln zu können. 1 Replie(s)

We weren't inside XXI's stomach, but his stomach was outside. This explains why the arena disappeared and everyone was dispersed so far apart.

I think it's pretty self-explanatory for anyone who has been reading carefully. C17 and C18 did not ultimately break Vegetto's frozen body in the Life Skip, as one might have expected, because Vegetto teleported to XXI before South Kaioshin activated the Life Skip.

In case anyone is confused about what happened here. On Page 2520, Vegetto anounced that he would kill XXI. The very next Comic-Panel shows us South Kaioshin anouncing that he will intervene. And the panel after that shows us a black screen, suggesting that Life-Skip has been activated. Today's Page 2585 explains in great detail what exactly happened between Panel 3 and Panel 4 of Page 2520. Gast and Vegetto still acted before South Kai actually activated Life-Skip.

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Oh, die armen Konatsianer. Das scheint das unausweichliche Schicksal in allen Fanfictions über Konats zu sein. (Meine inbegriffen, lol) 1 Replie(s)

We don't know. A fanfic author can literally do whatever they want. Sayazur decided that Konats fell victim to Coola's conquests. 1 Replie(s)

Absolut. Herrlich wie man Film-Kontinuität irgendwie miteinbezieht. Und ich bin ein großer Tapion-Fan. Genau deswegen muss ich sagen, dass mir das Design für die Stadt nicht besonders gefällt. Es erinnert einfach zu sehr an leicht angepasste Variationen einer irdischen Stadt im Dragonball-Kosmos. 1 Replie(s)

Mir gefällt Okra immer mehr. Wenn sie bloß Team Aqua nicht beigetreten wäre. ;)
Nein, im ernst. Das ist eine tolle Seite.

Wow. XXI looks like a final boss with all that smoke, surrounded by many previous villains whom our heroes have already defeated once. Hmm, GT's Super 17 saga sends its regards, hehe. (Oh #18, sexy)

Really cool detail with the black XXI smoke around everyone, like an aura. That must be the protection against all magic that XXI talked about on page 2492.

The setting reminds me a bit of Animus Island from Assassin's Creed: Revelations. Especially the sequence: Doubts.

@Ashrak
Ich kann deiner Logik folgen. Allerdings muss man eine Sache bedenken. Falls XXI gewinnt, würde er mit Sicherheit zuerst die Universen angreifen und verschlingen, die noch im "DBM-Turnier" (in U0) vertreten sind und nicht zu seinen Verbündeten gehören. Um jegliche potentielle Bedrohung zu eliminieren. Die restlichen Universen im unendlichen Multiversum können danach verschlungen werden, denn sie werden es definitiv nicht erwarten, angegriffen zu werden.

Grubuu, Female Buu-Jin, Anju, Uub. So this is a group you would never meet under normal circumstances. Haha.

Oh nice, Paprika.

Ugh, Vegeta, du hattest eine 50/50 Möglichkeit. Ausweichen oder Zurückschleudern. Falsch gewählt. Haha

Ich muss sagen, diese Szene ist ziemlich cool.