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Ratzfatz ist der Palast von Slug Geschichte. Cooler hat alle die Zeit lediglich kein Interesse an Slug's Territorium. Haha, wer hätte das gedacht.
Vegeta Tales page 110
Er muss jetzt schnell handeln und Videl erklären was er meint, denn sonst wird sie mit einem gewissen Hass in sich weiter aufwachsen.
Early dayz page 89
Sie sieht aus wie Kid Bulma aus "Jaco the Galactic Patrolman" ;)
Kakodaiman: the Return of Cashman!! page 68
Ironischerweise, immer Piccolo derjenige mit den richtigen Entscheidungen, wie zum Beispiel das Training zu beenden, bevor 48 ernsthaft verletzt wird. Das ist natürlich ein Hologramm, aber ausgerechnet das Programm mit Piccolo beendet das Training.
DB RED page 83
Ach ja, Chilled ist auch noch da. Immerhin macht er es spannend.
Yamoshi Story page 187
Je länger sich der Kampf hinzieht, desto mehr gebe ich Yamoshi die Teilschuld für all den Schaden, den die bösen Saiyajins angerichtet haben.
Yamoshi Story page 185
Wow. Yakichi and Seggui could both be in commercials for hair care products. Just look at those manes.
DB Multiverse page 2675
MUI was saying:
Because Snower is most likely stronger than Freeza in DBZ right now. Why? In DBM lore, Frostdemons grow stronger with age. Snower is currently 1043 years old. In comparison, Freeza is only 192 years old during his battle against Super-Saiyan Goku on Namek.
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How the heck is this possible? Bido just did the upgrade, so he should he as strong as he was in Bojack’s movie. Wasnt Bido going toe to toe with post Cell games arc SSJ Trunks and SSJ vegeta? How is Snower here superior to Bido?
Jetzt gehts los! Seggui vs Yakichi. Bido vs Snower. Gute Ausgangslage. Die Kämpfe können beginnen.
DB Multiverse page 2675
Echt schade, wie genau diese Szene mit Goku später quasi von U19 als Kollektiv entweder vergessen oder ignoriert wird. Denn im späteren Verlauf der Geschichte tun viele so, als wäre Son Bra die Einzige in der Lage für U19 das Turnier zu gewinnen. Und das finde ich leider etwas schwach inszeniert. Darüber hinaus bin ich ein wenig von der uneinheitlichen Darstellung der Rückseite der Ultra-Rüstung enttäuscht. Leider bin ich persönlich ein großer Fan von U19 oder zumnindest von der Idee hinter den Heloites, und deshalb fällt es mir eben auf. Die Kolorierung selbst ist natürlich toll und hebt die Seiten von Ouv in seinen ersten beiden Kapitel extrem auf.
DBMultiverse Colors page 540
Was für ein Skandal, Bra nennt Eleim einen Idioten. Wie gemein. Naja, zum Glück benutzt sie kein schlimmeres Vokabular in dieesm Fall. ... Haha.
DBMultiverse Colors page 538
In hindsight, I find Eleim’s explanation a bit confusing. Because what he’s describing is their home planet, Tregor. The Heloites later emigrate to the sunless planet Helior and install the space ring around the planet, which generates light. We know this planet as Helior. It is attacked by Kakarot and Raditz in U13, for example, in CH50 and CH52.
This means that the potential danger posed by the Carbonite-contaminated planet Tregor actually exists across multiple universes. According to DBM lore, this Carbonite planet exists in this form in almost all universes, including U18, aka the DBZ universe.
DBMultiverse Colors page 537
This means that the potential danger posed by the Carbonite-contaminated planet Tregor actually exists across multiple universes. According to DBM lore, this Carbonite planet exists in this form in almost all universes, including U18, aka the DBZ universe.
Die Panels 4 und 5 kommen in „Colors“ besonders gut zur Geltung. Die Weite des Weltraums und die Bedrohung durch Carbonite sind visuell atemberaubend.
DBMultiverse Colors page 537
Panel 5: "Der Spruch ist nicht gut gealtert." Haha
DBMultiverse Colors page 535
Da Satan nach seinem Sieg beim Budokai nun im Rampenlicht steht, muss er jeden öffentlichen Auftritt sehr sorgfältig abwägen. Er will sicherlich ein gutes Vorbild sein. Ob er damit nicht versehentlich bei Videl ein falsches Bild erweckt?
Early dayz page 88
Wie lange wartet er eigentlich schon darauf, bis jemand kommt, um seinen Damm für ihn zu bauen?
Super Dragon Bros Z page 244
Die Zidane Statue hat umheimlich viele Haare auf dem Kopf. Da stimmt was nicht. Haha.
Super Dragon Bros Z page 243
Es scheint, als hätte Cooler Slug schon seit geraumer Zeit im Blick, da er dessen Ki gezielt anvisieren und für Teleportationen ausnutzen kann. Ich vermute, dass Cooler vorhatte, Slug bald selbst auszuschalten, aber als Prinz ergriff er nie die Initiative, und nach dem Tod seines Vaters war er aufgrund der Bedrohung durch Vegeta wahrscheinlich voll und ganz mit dem Saiyajin beschäftigt.
Vegeta Tales page 109
Slug geht immer. Es ist eigentlich nicht so schwer ausgerechnet den Super-Namekianer in Fanfiction einzuführen.
Vegeta Tales page 107
Seggui doesn't beat around the bush. Transforming immediately to eliminate the traitors. Bido and Yakichi for deserting, the scientists for even daring to enhance Bojack, and destroying the enhancement chambers.
I think Seggui might have gone a little crazy after all. We'll see, maybe he was planning to kill Snower too while he was at it.
DB Multiverse page 2674
I think Seggui might have gone a little crazy after all. We'll see, maybe he was planning to kill Snower too while he was at it.
Who is Seggui?
That’s hard to explain, since we only have one chapter featuring this character. From my perspective, here’s what I think. At first, he comes across as a cool Captain America-type character. He was willing to do anything for his people, but from a military standpoint.
Personally, I’ve come up with my own headcanon about what could have been done with him.
In my fanfic, he survives; the other surviving Hera/Jaykal military personnel put him in a healing tank, and he pulls through. He becomes obsessed with how Bojack ruined everything. The Hera/Jaykal military is in ruins, with resources largely depleted. Seggui wants to hunt Bojack down and take him out “himself”. Since he sees the criminal as the main reason they failed to seize their best chance to kill the Frostdemons (back in CH43). Seggui hates Bojack so much that he may jeopardizes the survival of the Hera-Jin/Jaykal in the long run. Everyone insists that he is overreacting, that his obsession with Bojack, which he prioritizes over Snower and his sons, seems downright insane. Seggui goes rogue and pursues his plans on his own, but from his perspective, he is doing the right thing.
From Captain America archetype to Knight Templar archetype. In my own story, this is a central point, as Seggui slowly evolves from a hero into one of the story’s main antagonists.
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Art by Asura (DBM-Mini-Comic-Page-77)
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Art by Paul Robinson
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Art by Veguito
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Art by HoCbo
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Art by Romboids
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Bido immediately swore allegiance to Bojack the moment Seggui was defeated. And in Chapter 43, we even see someone with long hair standing next to Bido, it’s quite possible that it’s Yakichi. So in that regard, Seggui’s statement would actually make sense. Bido and (perhaps) Yakichi were part of the Hera/Jaykal army and deserted immediately. Only to spend years plundering as space pirates. It wasn’t the plan of Bojack's gang to fight Polar. They just went too far and basically pissed off the Frostdemons.
This reminds me a bit of Attack on Titan:
The Jaegerists (a radical splinter group within Paradis/the Scouts) become an extreme threat. Some members of the old Survey Corps join forces with former enemies (the Warriors/Marleyans) to stop them, despite years of hatred.
Jaegerists = Bojack's Gang
Paradis Eldians = Jaykal/Herajin Army
Marley = Frost Demon Empire
DB Multiverse page 2673
That’s hard to explain, since we only have one chapter featuring this character. From my perspective, here’s what I think. At first, he comes across as a cool Captain America-type character. He was willing to do anything for his people, but from a military standpoint.
Personally, I’ve come up with my own headcanon about what could have been done with him.
In my fanfic, he survives; the other surviving Hera/Jaykal military personnel put him in a healing tank, and he pulls through. He becomes obsessed with how Bojack ruined everything. The Hera/Jaykal military is in ruins, with resources largely depleted. Seggui wants to hunt Bojack down and take him out “himself”. Since he sees the criminal as the main reason they failed to seize their best chance to kill the Frostdemons (back in CH43). Seggui hates Bojack so much that he may jeopardizes the survival of the Hera-Jin/Jaykal in the long run. Everyone insists that he is overreacting, that his obsession with Bojack, which he prioritizes over Snower and his sons, seems downright insane. Seggui goes rogue and pursues his plans on his own, but from his perspective, he is doing the right thing.
From Captain America archetype to Knight Templar archetype. In my own story, this is a central point, as Seggui slowly evolves from a hero into one of the story’s main antagonists.
![[img]](https://i.postimg.cc/tTw0FmGN/DBM-Mini-Comic-Page-77.png)
Art by Asura (DBM-Mini-Comic-Page-77)
![[img]](https://i.postimg.cc/mDJx76W6/Commander-Seggui-by-Paul-Robinson.jpg)
Art by Paul Robinson
![[img]](https://i.postimg.cc/tqCXQLSb/Commander-Seggui-by-Veguito.jpg)
Art by Veguito
![[img]](https://i.postimg.cc/8598Lngt/Commander-Seggui-by-Ho-Cbo.jpg)
Art by HoCbo
![[img]](https://i.postimg.cc/NMShRPvn/Commander-Seggui-by-Romboids.jpg)
Art by Romboids
Sergio was saying:
Replaced? I think it's more like a suit of armor, not a robotic arm.was it really nessacary to replace the arm... i wonder if he is going to have a tei pei type canon
supersaiyan2kakarot was saying:
I completely agree. We mustn’t forget what happened on page 978. Ayashi was saying: The dude allies himself with the demons to kill the ones who prevented him from taking revenge against the demons?
Is it just me, or is this dude retarded?
It probably a "means to an end" for Seggui, while he doesn't like the idea of working with the frost demons, it was the only way he could think of at the time to get revenge on Bojack. It also doesn't help that several members that were under his command (Bido for example) renounced loyalty the second he lost to Bojack and left him and their people to die, probably made him bitter to be honest.
Is it just me, or is this dude retarded?
It probably a "means to an end" for Seggui, while he doesn't like the idea of working with the frost demons, it was the only way he could think of at the time to get revenge on Bojack. It also doesn't help that several members that were under his command (Bido for example) renounced loyalty the second he lost to Bojack and left him and their people to die, probably made him bitter to be honest.
Bido immediately swore allegiance to Bojack the moment Seggui was defeated. And in Chapter 43, we even see someone with long hair standing next to Bido, it’s quite possible that it’s Yakichi. So in that regard, Seggui’s statement would actually make sense. Bido and (perhaps) Yakichi were part of the Hera/Jaykal army and deserted immediately. Only to spend years plundering as space pirates. It wasn’t the plan of Bojack's gang to fight Polar. They just went too far and basically pissed off the Frostdemons.
MATTIA IL DIVINO was saying:
You make a good point. Polar in his Base Form aka 4th Form doesn't seem to have any problems, whereas Cold loses control the moment he transforms into his Base Form, as we see on page 919. Now I'd really like to learn more about the brothers.I’d read that as well, but it struck me as a bit odd that they could truly be twins. I agree it would make King Snower all the more exceptional; however, Polar appears markedly superior to Cold for a supposed twin—both in sheer size and in his ability to control his own power.
DDDDD was saying:
For a long time, I speculated that Hera/Jaykal are, at their core, quite aggressive, expansionist, and radical. In fact, Jaykal’s army might even have become an oppressive regime in the galaxy itself if it hadn’t been for the Frostdemons. Which, in turn, could explain why it was so important to Snower, Polar, and Cold to conquer Planet Jayna of all places, because the Jaykals/Herajins were likely the only ones in a very long time who stood up to the Frost Demons as a collective.Yeah Seggui is literally a worse traitor than Bojack lol. At least Bojack actually intends to smash the Frost Demons- if admittedly for self-interested reasons- and will likely just terrorise the galaxy while leaving the Jaykals alone after this. Seggui is actively helping his sworn enemies to commit genocide against his people, in order to get revenge on one specific person. Hell, Bojack's only real "betrayal" was breaking out of a facility where he was being enslaved and tortured, and then not going out of his way to fight the Demons. Seggui, by contrast, is actively violating his professional oath! This plot probably needed a second draft; then again, the last time we saw Seggui, he was conducting experiments on unwilling prisoners (including children) with no remorse, so I guess he might have just been a selfish evil idiot from day one. Looking forward to seeing Bojack cave this sanctimonious hypocrite's skull in.
This reminds me a bit of Attack on Titan:
The Jaegerists (a radical splinter group within Paradis/the Scouts) become an extreme threat. Some members of the old Survey Corps join forces with former enemies (the Warriors/Marleyans) to stop them, despite years of hatred.
Jaegerists = Bojack's Gang
Paradis Eldians = Jaykal/Herajin Army
Marley = Frost Demon Empire
kcheeb was saying:
Thanks for the kind words. But no, I just can't draw to save my life. I should have credited the artists. I've added that in the edited comment now.
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did u draw those seggui urself
looks rly nice
looks rly nice
Haha, es ist also Seggui. Er hat überlebt. Und genau das finde ich unglaublich faszinierend. Ich habe seit langem überlegt, wie es wäre, wenn er tatsächlich überlebt hätte. Sogar einen eigenen Fanfic zu diesem Thema ist in Produktion. Einfach nur surreal für mich persönlich Seggui tatsächlich am Leben zu sehen.
Es ist also nicht alzu abwegig zu behaupten, Snower sei im Moment auf ungefähr Super-Vegeta oder Cell Games Cell Jr. Powerlevel-Tier. Das würde aber nicht viel bringen, da allein Bojack's Handlanger (Bido, Gokua, etc.) bereits ungefähr so stark sind wie ein FPSSJ aus der Cell-Arc. In einem 1vs1 Kampf hätte Snower vielleicht eine Chance, nicht aber gegen mehrere. Und das ist eigentlich die Trumpfkarte der Bojack Bande, sie kämpfen im Team (oder zumindest können das sehr gut, wenn sie im Team kämpfen).
Was Seggui angeht. Ich bezweifle ernsthaft, dass der akribische, kalkulierende Snower (aus der Hanasia-Novel) es nicht bedacht hat, was passieren könnte, wenn er Seggui stärker macht als sich selbst. Seggui muss stark sein, keine Frage, aber definitiv nicht stärker als Snower. Die einzige logische Erklärung warum doch, wäre es, wenn Snower eine Art Trumpfkarte in der Hinterhand hat, um Seggui auf der Stelle auszuschalten, falls er sich gegen ihn wendet. Für mich aber sieht es eher so aus, als würde er Seggui als Kanonenfutter ausnutzen.
DB Multiverse page 2673
Picoz was saying:
Da stimme ich zu. Wir wissen Snower ist 1043 Jahre alt in diesem Spezial. Also bereits Jahrhunderte älter als Cold oder im späteren Verlauf der Geschichte Freezer und Cooler. Und wir wissen, in DBM-Kontinuität, wächst das Powerlevel eines Frostdämon kontinuierlich an mit ihrem Alter, (auch komplett ohne Training). Je älter ein Frostdämon, desto stärker.Snower muss wirklich überdurchschnittlich stark sein.
Sonst hätte sich ihm Seggui trotz erlangter Verstärkungsform sicher nicht unterworfen.
Sonst hätte sich ihm Seggui trotz erlangter Verstärkungsform sicher nicht unterworfen.
Es ist also nicht alzu abwegig zu behaupten, Snower sei im Moment auf ungefähr Super-Vegeta oder Cell Games Cell Jr. Powerlevel-Tier. Das würde aber nicht viel bringen, da allein Bojack's Handlanger (Bido, Gokua, etc.) bereits ungefähr so stark sind wie ein FPSSJ aus der Cell-Arc. In einem 1vs1 Kampf hätte Snower vielleicht eine Chance, nicht aber gegen mehrere. Und das ist eigentlich die Trumpfkarte der Bojack Bande, sie kämpfen im Team (oder zumindest können das sehr gut, wenn sie im Team kämpfen).
Was Seggui angeht. Ich bezweifle ernsthaft, dass der akribische, kalkulierende Snower (aus der Hanasia-Novel) es nicht bedacht hat, was passieren könnte, wenn er Seggui stärker macht als sich selbst. Seggui muss stark sein, keine Frage, aber definitiv nicht stärker als Snower. Die einzige logische Erklärung warum doch, wäre es, wenn Snower eine Art Trumpfkarte in der Hinterhand hat, um Seggui auf der Stelle auszuschalten, falls er sich gegen ihn wendet. Für mich aber sieht es eher so aus, als würde er Seggui als Kanonenfutter ausnutzen.
Fluxx was saying:
Also mich fasziniert das alles wirklich sehr. Mir ist bewusst, dass ich wohl zu den wenigen Menschen gehöre, denen die Bojack-Specials tatsächlich gefallen. Aber Seggui wieder einzuführen, ist sogar für mich überraschend. Nicht, weil ich mir das nicht hätte vorstellen können, sondern weil genau das passiert, was ich in meiner eigenen DBM-Spin-off-Fanfic geschrieben habe. Ich sitze wie angewurzelt da und warte gespannt darauf, wie sich das alles entwickelt – ob es nun so kommt, wie ich es mir vorgestellt habe, oder nicht.
Leute das ist mal ne echt geschmeidige Überraschung. Ich gebe zu, dass mich das Bojack Kapital nicht so richtig interessiert, einfach weil ich die Figur an sich nicht mag.eigentlich hat mich nur der abartig gute Zeichenstil bei der Stange gehalten. Aber das Kapitel wurde Seite um Seite immer besser und hat mit dieser Seite einen unerwarteten Höhepunkt erreicht. Ich bin total überrascht und freue mich riesig auf die nächsten Seiten. ich bin mal gespannt, was sie aus dem guten Seggui herausgeholt haben. Der Groll bei ihm muss tief sitzen, dass er sich sogar den Feinden angeschlossen hat.
Die Nebenstory würde mich auch mal interessieren, wie es dazu kommen konnte ;-)
Die Nebenstory würde mich auch mal interessieren, wie es dazu kommen konnte ;-)
Commander Seggui is actually alive.
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And he’s joined forces with Snower, solely to kill Bojack. I think seeing his lieutenant ally himself with the criminal Bojack has apparently left a deep scar (pun intended).
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And he’s joined forces with Snower, solely to kill Bojack. I think seeing his lieutenant ally himself with the criminal Bojack has apparently left a deep scar (pun intended).
Ouroboros was saying:
Or... Snower in his base form is incredibly small. He might be comparable to Ice Kurima, who was even smaller than Freeza in his base form.Seggui being the tall guy doesn't make sense. Among others he is far to tall.
Did the tall one under his command grow a breath? https://w...967.html#h_read
Did the tall one under his command grow a breath? https://w...967.html#h_read
MATTIA IL DIVINO was saying:
Technically speaking, no one checked on page 978 to see if Seggui was really dead. And if Yamcha can survive a huge hole in his chest, it wouldn’t be too far-fetched to think that somewhere out there in space, there’s a way to heal such a massive wound. A truly striking entrance for Snower—now we’ll see who the guy with him turns out to be (hopefully not Seggui; bringing back already-dead characters would feel a bit forced).
MATTIA IL DIVINO was saying:
Funny you should ask. Polar and Cold were actually born in the same year. Age -53 (DBM continuity). That’s also a first, because typically, even in DBM lore, the intervals between a Frostdemon giving birth to a new child are incredibly long, at least several decades. Snower proves that he truly is an incredible OC. Whether Polar and Cold were actually born at the same time or separately but simply in the same year, we don’t know. Has it ever been stated who was older between Polar and Cold? Given the former’s enormous size and the fact that Polar was able to maintain control, I like to think that Cold is the younger brother—less powerful and less experienced.
Eldagusto was saying:
That’s pretty much what I had in mind. A three-faction storyline, basically. We’ve got the Jaykal/Herajin army, then the Frostdemon Empire, and finally Bojack’s crew. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, as the saying goes.
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Cyborg Seggui was a surprise. At least im confidently predicting he is a cyborg. But honestly he likely could have made a deal for favorable terms as a Vassal of the Frost demons in exchange for eliminating the Bojack Crew. Even if they tend to betray upstarts, its better then let Bojack go all Lobo on their civilization or losing to the Frost Demons without any bargaining power.
Picoz was saying:
Meiner Meinung nach sollte Cold nicht dabei sein, wenn Bojack's Crew entweder von Snower besiegt wird oder Snower von Bojacks Crew getötet wird. Cold wirkt in seiner kurzen Zeit in DBZ viel zu arrogant und hochnässig. Hätte er miterlebt, wie eine andere Rasse in gewisser Weise sichtbar stärker war als sein Vater, würde Cold niemals so tun, als sei die Vorstellung, dass ein Super-Saiyajin in der Lage wäre, seinen Sohn Freezer zu besiegen, so lächerlich.Scheiße wie cool, aber ohne Cold werden die beiden keine Chance haben.
Stas was saying:
Das wäre in der Tat ein unglaublicher Plottwist. Technisch gesehen hat niemand auf Seite 978 überprüft, ob er tatsächlich tot ist.
Ist das Seggui? Dachte der wäre tot.
I knew it, killing the Duke would come back to cost the Bojack gang dearly.
Snower knows his son can’t control the Base Form, but he doesn’t seem to have taught him how to control it over the centuries. I guess Snower will die before he can teach his son. But at least he’s smart and caring enough to keep his son safe, just in case. And DBM has already shown how Cold can't control Base Form / 4th Form. During the DBZ era, centuries later, see page 919 of the U7 Special.
DB Multiverse page 2672
Snower knows his son can’t control the Base Form, but he doesn’t seem to have taught him how to control it over the centuries. I guess Snower will die before he can teach his son. But at least he’s smart and caring enough to keep his son safe, just in case. And DBM has already shown how Cold can't control Base Form / 4th Form. During the DBZ era, centuries later, see page 919 of the U7 Special.
Cool page. Snower in his base form looks interesting. I pictured Freeza’s grandfather a little differently, though. Especially based on Asura’s fanart and the illustrations of Snower in the Hanasia novel. At the very least, it’s truly a creative and innovative design. You can’t deny that.
DB Multiverse page 2671
XXI was saying:
I appreciate how it looks like a believable variation of Freeza's spaceship. We’re approaching the DBZ era. It makes perfect sense that Cold would continue with the same or similar models, and that Freeza would then introduce slightly modified designs as well. It’s like watching a car manufacturer’s time-lapse video of the development of one of its models. Haha, just kidding, but it’s not that far-fetched.That ship in the background is very cool looking. It fits in with the general design of Frost Demon ships we’ve seen, while looking more like a heavy assault craft.
georgeta was saying:
Now that you mention it, he does actually have a beak, haha. Though that makes me think more of Blueberry's species. Obviously, he had more of a reptilian snout, but whatever.
Is that a Vargas, one of the soldiers?
Cooler Auftritt. Snower in Base/4th Form sieht anders aus, als gedacht. Vorallem mit Asura's Fanarts und den Zeichnungen von Snower im Hanasia-Novel habe ich mir den Großvater von Freezer ein bisschen anders vorgestellt. Zumindest ist das wahrlich ein kreatives und innovatives Design. Das kann man nicht leugnen.
Das Raumschiff wirkt rustikal im Vergleich zu Freezer's Raumschiff in DBZ. Das soll vermutlich beabsichtigt sein, damit es viel glaubwürdiger rüberkommt, wie diese Geschichte letztendlich ungefähr 200/300 Jahre vor der Ereignissen von DBZ stattfindet. Eine Art Vorgänger-Modell im Bezug auf Raumschiffe.
Wir sehen sogar eine kleine Armee, allerdings bezweifele ich, dass sie in irgendeiner Form nützlich sein werden. Mit Ausnahme des im Mantel verkleideten Typen.
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Das Raumschiff wirkt rustikal im Vergleich zu Freezer's Raumschiff in DBZ. Das soll vermutlich beabsichtigt sein, damit es viel glaubwürdiger rüberkommt, wie diese Geschichte letztendlich ungefähr 200/300 Jahre vor der Ereignissen von DBZ stattfindet. Eine Art Vorgänger-Modell im Bezug auf Raumschiffe.
Wir sehen sogar eine kleine Armee, allerdings bezweifele ich, dass sie in irgendeiner Form nützlich sein werden. Mit Ausnahme des im Mantel verkleideten Typen.
Michelrpg was saying:
I agree. Bojack himself has never really interested me. It’s everything around him that fascinates me more. The way the Frost Demons and Herajins/Jaykal are intertwined, which further expands the world-building. The way Bojack’s gang became so powerful in the first place, in a universe that rarely produces SSJ1+ fighters. Etc.whats crazy is that Bojack still, after... 3 specials and with this being the 4th one, has had ZERO development. He's been a one-note villain in the movie, but even here he's just... not interesting. The experiments are interesting. The henchmen motivations are interesting. The frost Demon part is interesting.
And Bojack just... isnt.
And Bojack just... isnt.
Just a quick side note: this is actually the 5th special featuring Bojack. I realize that CH85 doesn’t feel like a typical special, since it depicts events taking place during the DBM tournament. We’re usually used to specials taking place in the past, i.e., before the DBM tournament.
Damian Qualshy was saying:
Bojack is the classic generic doomsday villain: an arrogant, bloodthirsty, sadistic space pirate monster whose sole goal is “to conquer the world (or the universe) and kill everyone because I’m powerful.” He has virtually no backstory (other than the fact that the Kais once imprisoned him inside a star), no deeper motivation beyond a lust for power and arrogance, and no inner conflicts. From start to finish, he remains the same sneering, muscle-bound warlord who simply wants to be stronger and dominate. Many fans therefore find him bland—compared to Frieza (charismatic and sadistic with personality), Cell (intelligent and evolutionary), or even Broly (who is at least iconic due to his LSSJ status), Bojack has “as much personality as a dead battery.” He is essentially a plot device to give Gohan a solo moment in the Post-Cell Arc. Okay, you know what, iron leaf is right. Despite Bojack gang originally being quite lame and even in DBM during the tournament not having much to go for them, AND even if we'd like to have more specials for other, more interesting by default, universes - the backstory written by Salagir for the Hera is really good after all. It's all entirely headcanon of course, because there was no proper lore basis for the group iirc, but it's good enough to fit the style of worldbuilding that DBZ and GT had.
Obviously Bojack is a constant, and that's a shame, I don't know if Salagir willingly written himself into a corner with this at the beginning or not, but on the other hand it's also not bad either? Bojack doesn't NEED development, everyone else around him can get some, because not every character written needs to have an arc. Some are just plain and without specific goals, just mindless robbing, and that's okay especially in this context.
Obviously Bojack is a constant, and that's a shame, I don't know if Salagir willingly written himself into a corner with this at the beginning or not, but on the other hand it's also not bad either? Bojack doesn't NEED development, everyone else around him can get some, because not every character written needs to have an arc. Some are just plain and without specific goals, just mindless robbing, and that's okay especially in this context.
Does he fit perfectly into the “flat villain with a focus on subordinates” archetype? Yes, and even better than I first thought: Bojack himself remains completely static/flat. No doubt, no remorse, no change. He just becomes more consistent in his arrogance (even when he’s seriously injured, he still believes he’s going to win).
To be completely honest, I can't even begin to imagine how Bojack could be portrayed any other way. With a lot of characters, you can come up with some pretty wild ideas. Just take a look at U1 South Kaioshin, U3 Raichi, U8 Ginyu, U9 Videl, and U13 Raditz. They’re not how you’d have imagined these characters at the start of the comic, but the longer it goes on, the more you can come to terms with the idea of their character portrayals—that it’s at least an interesting approach and somehow fits the character. With Bojack, on the other hand, I really don’t want them to experiment too much. He can stay just the way he is.
Super Gojita 3 was saying:
You know what, that’s actually a crucial detail that really needs to be addressed. When Bojack’s crew was released from the sealing when King Kai died, where exactly did they end up? In space? At the last place they were when they were sealed? If they could actually survive in space, that would have significant implications for quite a few plot points. I could be mistaken but I think bojack and co. can live in space. the are shown in space on their way to earth in a minicomic, I think.
either that, or its night time on a planet, and only looks like space.
either that, or its night time on a planet, and only looks like space.
OldDBFan was saying:
Interesting observation. I’m really curious to see what Snower’s plan is for getting involved personally. Of course, there’s no one besides him and his son who can hold a candle to Bojack and his gang. So if he wants to get rid of them for good, he’ll have to take matters into his own hands. But he’s really risking a lot. He knows they’re strong enough to kill a Frost Demon. He must have a plan. At first, I thought the artist had commited a serious scale mistake. But after watching the previous pages, I realized what a midget is head scientist, so I guess it's my fault for don't realize before, and everything is really fine. His art is really fine, beside something refreshing comparing to the classic DB art style. Now, my question is who have shown up: Cold or Snower? Because that feet doesn't fit much with the one ones we have seen of theirs (almost no wrinkles, unless it's a thing of their different froms). We know that Cold should survive in some universe to rise Freezer, but I find strange that someone as cautious as Snower would appear directly there to battle face to face Bojack. Does he has another son we don't know who has decided to step in to battle Bojack and his gang?
CellJuniorJunior was saying:
Well, I like the saying, “The first generation makes it, the second generation spends it, the third generation loses it.”Ammar was saying: ZFQFMIB was saying: Okay, blow up the planet and leave all the air-breathers to die in space. Don't screw this up, Discount Freiza.
More like Freeza is the Discount Snower.
yeah surely the fanmade guy is the superior version that one of the best villains in ficiton bro
More like Freeza is the Discount Snower.
yeah surely the fanmade guy is the superior version that one of the best villains in ficiton bro
I think DBM does a good job of making it believable how the empire developed over time. In DBZ, I never really got the sense that Frieza was actually leading an empire. I don’t want to badmouth Toriyama’s worldbuilding, but I wanted to mention it. If we rely solely on the original without any extra information from GT or Modern DB, then Frieza’s forces slowly disbanded after his death and the death of his father on Earth. One could also speculate that during his three-year training period to prepare for the Androids, Vegeta eliminated the remaining remnants of Frieza’s army as well.
If Freeza is the one with whom the empire ultimately falls, and Cold merely carried it on before that, then we can assume that Freeza’s grandfather, Snower, laid the foundation. And in DBM continuity, this also holds true, because after his brothers died and Snower killed his father, he metaphorically started anew, something Freeza would later inherit.
Er will also, dass Bojack stärker wird. Das wirkt ziemlich kontraproduktiv zu seinem Überlebensinstinkt. Bido hat mit angesehen, wie sein Anführer mit Untergebenen umgeht. Es reicht ein schlechter Tag und Bido wird von Bojack selbst getötet. Warum also befürwortet Bido dieses ganze Szenario, wo Bojack noch stärker gemacht wird. Rein technisch könnte Bido selbst zum Anführer werden, wenn er den Wahnsinnigen in der Kapsel jetzt tötet. Diese bizarre Loyalität gegenüber Bojack, die er aber Seggui aus der Jaykal/Herajin Armee nicht entgegegenbringen konnte, als er noch selber ein Soldat war. Sehr faszinierend, Bido, man könnte ihm glatt selbst eine Geschichte widmen.
Bido wird hier als eigenständige Figur dargestellt und nicht nur als bloßer Handlanger von Bojack. Diese „Bojack-Specials“ verleihen den Personen in Bojack's Umfeld immer mehr Charaktertiefe, wenn auch nur ein kleines bisschen.
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Bido wird hier als eigenständige Figur dargestellt und nicht nur als bloßer Handlanger von Bojack. Diese „Bojack-Specials“ verleihen den Personen in Bojack's Umfeld immer mehr Charaktertiefe, wenn auch nur ein kleines bisschen.
YellNinja1600 was saying:
Interesting observation. When it comes to technology that amps fighters the frost demon empire generally is underwhelming. Especially when you look at Dr Gero and Jaykals scientist. Both are able to create tech that can surpass the strongest incarnations of frost demon in the form of frieza. When the frost demon empire should have connections to dozens of different worlds tech. I remember in anime they stated the greatest scientist in the empire were rebuilding frieza body. Yet those guys couldn’t push frieza to becoming more stronger than androids like 17 and 18 who received large massive amps going from humans to star lv characters.
But the jackyal scientist have made a grave mistake. Choosing revenge will cost the sacrifice of millions of innocent people on a larger scale than what cold and Snower were doing.
Bojack is a maniac that murders for fun. The frost demons are evil but Cold and Snower are more coordinated emperors that rule over worlds. Snower is a more political and strategic ruler too in the novel version.
But the jackyal scientist have made a grave mistake. Choosing revenge will cost the sacrifice of millions of innocent people on a larger scale than what cold and Snower were doing.
Bojack is a maniac that murders for fun. The frost demons are evil but Cold and Snower are more coordinated emperors that rule over worlds. Snower is a more political and strategic ruler too in the novel version.
If we continue to apply DBM lore, we can also throw Heloite technology into the mix. In almost all universes, they are by default roughly as strong as Saiyan Arc Vegeta with their Ultra Armor. Over the course of the events, they either remain pacifist and do not further develop their armor, or they are completely wiped out by invaders (e.g., U13 and U17). But in U19, after the Saiyan attack, the Heloites have advanced their technology to the point where, decades later in the DBM tournament, they are powerful enough to wipe out an SSJ2-tier fighter (without regeneration) with a single attack.
Artiel was saying:
Good analysis. Nevertheless, I’d like to point out that Snower is 1,043 years old at the time of the special. By comparison, Blizzard, Snower’s father, was approximately 1,532 years old in the Hanasia novel. So add half of Snower’s age to that, at the time of this special. And in the Hanasia novel, the crippled Blizzard in his second reduced form was only slightly weaker than his son in his final form. (I’d have to re-read the details to avoid spreading contradictory information).Snower wasn't known for his strength to begin with, so for his case they might genuinely be stronger than him already. Frost demons get stronger with age, but they also have a base strength and they can also train to some degree to make better use of that strength.
Nevertheless, if Bojack comes out as strong as he was against Gohan then it makes sense to me that he would be able to get rid of a much younger Cold. If his crew are each DBM Frieza level and he's DBM Cold level then this fits well enough! He was already at least 5x stronger than Bido before Bido unlocked his augmentation, since Bojack > Segui (780k) and Segui > Bido (sub-200k).
Nevertheless, if Bojack comes out as strong as he was against Gohan then it makes sense to me that he would be able to get rid of a much younger Cold. If his crew are each DBM Frieza level and he's DBM Cold level then this fits well enough! He was already at least 5x stronger than Bido before Bido unlocked his augmentation, since Bojack > Segui (780k) and Segui > Bido (sub-200k).
Snower was 294 years old when he fought his father. Just for comparison, in DBM lore, Frieza was only about 190 years old when he fought Goku on Namek. You could do a lot of calculations, but power level discussions aren’t my strong suit. haha.
supersaiyan2kakarot was saying:
Touché. The good old anime rule. You're stronger when you're shirtless. Haha.
In fairness to Bido, transforming has a tendency to cause shirts to tear apart automatically, look how many times that has happened to bojack.
This page proves once and for all that Bido really does want to plunder alongside Bojack. Some followed Bojack purely for opportunistic reasons, like Zangya, or because they didn’t want to be alone, like Bujin. Bido, on the other hand... he was practically waiting for someone like Bojack. I’m truly fascinated by how DBM manages to bring out more in characters like Bujin, Zangya, and here Bido as well, developing distinct personalities and expanding on them in the U6 Specials.
It’s amazingly adventurous how the scientist and Bido get to the bottom of the origin of the warning signal together here. So hectic, and the way the metal door is flung open. Definitely not Gero’s Steeldorium. 2 Replie(s)
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It’s amazingly adventurous how the scientist and Bido get to the bottom of the origin of the warning signal together here. So hectic, and the way the metal door is flung open. Definitely not Gero’s Steeldorium. 2 Replie(s)
Das entwickelt sich langsam in ein Drama, oder irre ich mich? Bin sehr auf Videl's Reaktionen in Verlauf der nächsten Seiten gespannt.
Early dayz page 84
Von all den neuen Verwandlungen in „Modern Dragonball“ finde ich SSGod am interessantesten und glaube, es hat das größte Potenzial für zukünftige Geschichten. Ich freue mich, die Interpretation eines Fans zu diesem „Lore Drop“ rund um die mysteriöse Figur Yamoshi zu sehen. Und ich finde das viel unterhaltsamer als alles, was Canon DB über Yamoshi veröffentlicht hat.
Yamoshi Story page 184
Jabba Karikatur, das geht immer, haha.
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Super Dragon Bros Z page 241
Bido, go put some clothes on. Stop showing off. Haha. I'm pretty sure Gokua had those gemstone earrings in the Bojack movie, too. But they're missing here. Maybe he'll get some later.
Stronger than Polar? And therefore also Cold, since they’re about the same age. Okay, that’s believable. But what about Snower? He’s much older, and as a reminder, in DBM, a Frost Demon’s power increases continuously with age. I wouldn’t automatically assume that Bido would be able to beat Snower in a 1v1 fight in his final form just yet. 2 Replie(s)
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Stronger than Polar? And therefore also Cold, since they’re about the same age. Okay, that’s believable. But what about Snower? He’s much older, and as a reminder, in DBM, a Frost Demon’s power increases continuously with age. I wouldn’t automatically assume that Bido would be able to beat Snower in a 1v1 fight in his final form just yet. 2 Replie(s)
Wasn't there something about “Same-Face Syndrome” in the comments section a few pages back? Haha, probably not. I really love how three women are depicted with three different facial designs and hairstyles. Tanren_kun came up with something great there. Hopefully we’ll see more of the lead scientist.
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Das ist interessant. Die Wissenschaftler sind bereit, zuzusehen, wie die Welt – oder besser gesagt, das Universum – in Flammen aufgeht, solange Snower und Cold besiegt werden. Ganz im Ernst, genau so habe ich mir die Überreste des Jaykal-Militärs vorgestellt. Sie haben alle Ideale, die ihnen einst am Herzen lagen, über Bord geworfen. Und langsam aber sicher werden sie genauso korrupt wie die Abtrünnigen und Deserteure selbst.
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Die Hintergründe machen wieder einmal sehr viel für die Atmosphäre aus. Im Original wirkt die Seite leider etwas leer, hier dagegen, füllt man die Seite ironischerweise mit der Leere des Universums aus, (beziehungsweise mit den Sternen und Planeten), und das sieht so toll aus.
Die Rückblende wirkt etwas unscharf, ich bin mir nicht sicher ob das ein gewolltes Stilmittel für die Koloristen ist, aber das ist mir auf einer anderen Seite bereits aufgefallen. Und großes Lob an Ouv für die Eleim Zeichnung in Panel 5. Dort sieht er unglaublich gut aus und in Farbe sieht das nochmals besser aus. Und wow, die Ki-Attacken in den letzen beiden Panels sehen umwerfend aus. So ein komischer Effekt bei den Explosionen, den ich aber sehr mag.
DBMultiverse Colors page 533
Die Rückblende wirkt etwas unscharf, ich bin mir nicht sicher ob das ein gewolltes Stilmittel für die Koloristen ist, aber das ist mir auf einer anderen Seite bereits aufgefallen. Und großes Lob an Ouv für die Eleim Zeichnung in Panel 5. Dort sieht er unglaublich gut aus und in Farbe sieht das nochmals besser aus. Und wow, die Ki-Attacken in den letzen beiden Panels sehen umwerfend aus. So ein komischer Effekt bei den Explosionen, den ich aber sehr mag.
Hologramm Training. Interessant, da musste ich als erstes an das Holodeck aus Star Trek denken.
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claude lindsay was saying:
That’s an interesting idea, but I doubt it. I suspect she’s actually trying to get the Bojack Gang to defeat the Frostdemons for her in the end. And considering that it’s Bojack’s plan to begin with, as Bido himself suggested on page 2300, their goals just happen to align. does the scientist plan to poison bojack through food ?
None of this would have happened, though, if Bojack hadn’t originally revolted in CH43. But you have to imagine: without Bojack’s outlier status, where he became so much stronger than all the other Jaykal/Herajin, partly due to the gems he was already wearing back then, they would have attacked Snower, Polar and Cold with their super-soldiers, believing they could defeat them. Unaware that the Frostdemons can often transform and become much stronger, they would likely have all died in an attack. But because Bojack rebelled, and events unfolded as they did, the Jaykal/Herajin now essentially have a chance to win. So, ironically, thanks to Bojack, they actually have a better chance now than they did before. 1 Replie(s)
Ein lustiger Sketch, in dem am Ende alles auf Bujin abgeschoben wird. Allerdings ist das ein interessantes Detail bezüglich er Zeitangabe. Es dauert also nur 12 Stunden, damit Gokua so stark wird, wie er letztendlich im Bojack-Film ist? Der Alter Kaioshin würde bestimmt lachen, denn bei seiner Variante wird tatsächlich das gesamte Potetntial freigesetzt auch wenn es nur doppelt so lange dauert, haha.
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Eines der besten Cover, die ich he gesehen habe, für eine Parodie-Serie.
Super Dragon Bros Z page 240
Ah, Megane aus Hémisphères. Ich liebe diesen Comic. Sehr amüsant wie Salagir hier humorvoll damit umgeht, dass seine andere Comic Serie nicht so bekannt ist.
Super Dragon Bros Z page 237
Ich bin ehrlich, mir haben die Farben von Son Bra's Trainingskleidung nicht gefallen. Das wollte ich also noch sagen, bevor wir sie nie wieder zu Gesicht bekommen. Damit will ich nicht sagen, dass es insgesamt schlecht aussah, es war einfach nicht ganz so mein Ding. Und ich schätze die durchweg hohe Qualität bei der Schattierung der Farben in Bra's Outfit in den vergangenen Kapiteln.
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Ich bin ehrlich: Als die Schwarz-Weiß-Seite damals zum ersten Mal veröffentlicht wurde, habe ich in Goten's Sprechblase irgendwie etwas anderes gelesen. Haha.
DBMultiverse Colors page 531
Ich bin ein großer Fan davon, wie DBM einige Running Gags einbaut, darunter auch Uub, der regelmäßig einen Arm verliert. In der Novel Versio gibt es zudem eine zusätzliche Szene, in der er während seines Kampfes gegen Majin Buu einen Arm verliert. Hoffentlich bleibt das erhalten, und wir werden in den neuen Arcs nach dem Turnier weitere Szenen sehen, in denen Uub's Arm abgetrennt wird.
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Ach du grüne Neune! Das sieht in Farbe absolut unwerfend aus.
DBMultiverse Colors page 527
Ich kann mir ziemlich gut vorstellen, was Physalis als nächstes zu Yamoshi sagen würde ... xD
Yamoshi Story page 181
Comic-P was saying:
She sounds like a pretty lousy commander if she apparently doesn’t care about anything at all, to the point where she can’t even be bothered to watch a battle between aliens trying to conquer Earth and her own soldiers. What could she possibly have had better to do that made her leave in the middle of the fight?
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Maybe, but I see it the other way. She assumed he'd win. She never said she thought he'd lose. But that there was no point watching when she knew the outcome.
Ha, echt genialer Burn. Jiora hat in seiner eigenen Geschichte ja Geld verlangt für seine Heldentaten.
Kakodaiman: the Return of Cashman!! page 64
Das war ... nicht sehr klug von Cooler dem Prinzen alles zu erklären.
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Vegeta Tales page 104
Ein wirklicher guter Witz. Es wird sogar erklärt, warum es nicht am 1. April veröffentlicht, sondern ein Tag später. Hut ab!
Vegeta Tales page 100
Ich weiß den Ledgic Cameo zu schätzen. Oder es handelt sich lediglich um ein Mitglied von Ledgic's Rasse.
Vegeta Tales page 99
Irgendwie gefällt es mir, wie Gokua dargestellt wird. Ein enthusiastischer Kerl. Er, Yakichi und Bido sind wohl die ersten drei, die in die Kammern steigen.
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Surprisingly perceptive for someone like Bojack. I like Gokua's reaction here. The last two specials about the Bojack Gang have made me like Gokua a lot more.
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Da werden die Edelsteine aus dem Film wirklich gut in die Lore miteingeflochten. Gefällt mir.
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So, radiation. That sounds extreme, but in connection with the gems, it’s interesting. What are they made of?
And now I realize something else. In CH43, Bojack was the only one already wearing such gems there. That fits in with everything in the continuity so far. But... unfortunately, that means the typical jewels the Bojack Gang was wearing in the Toei movie were only worn by the 6 Jaykal/Hera-Jin in the DBM continuity. (That’s going to be tough to reconcile with my fanfic now, haha)
Oh, the assistant looks like a young female Doc Brown, haha. 1 Replie(s)
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And now I realize something else. In CH43, Bojack was the only one already wearing such gems there. That fits in with everything in the continuity so far. But... unfortunately, that means the typical jewels the Bojack Gang was wearing in the Toei movie were only worn by the 6 Jaykal/Hera-Jin in the DBM continuity. (That’s going to be tough to reconcile with my fanfic now, haha)
Oh, the assistant looks like a young female Doc Brown, haha. 1 Replie(s)
I love this page. So much energy in every panel. Tanren_kun has definitely delivered his A-game.
Bojack’s crew has defeated the three warriors, and it looks like all three of them are dead. The scientist’s dramatic reaction is perfectly captured. I especially love panel 6. The framing and expression are so good you could easily use this as a reference. And the last panel is amazing. Sure, Bojack isn’t everyone’s cup of tea, but you can’t deny these pages are really well drawn.
As mentioned on Discord, this bleeding-edge tech could explain why there were only three warriors. If we look back at CH43, it almost seems as though Bojack and his newly formed crew destroyed a lot of things and killed many scientists. Only eight years have passed in-universe between CH43 and CH113. It’s possible that the remaining Jaykal/Hera-Jin scientists and military personnel took that long to finally get the experimental facilities back up and running. As this page says, the warriors were only wearing experimental armor and such. That would explain why there weren’t more of them, since these fighters were apparently the literal (new) test subjects.
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Bojack’s crew has defeated the three warriors, and it looks like all three of them are dead. The scientist’s dramatic reaction is perfectly captured. I especially love panel 6. The framing and expression are so good you could easily use this as a reference. And the last panel is amazing. Sure, Bojack isn’t everyone’s cup of tea, but you can’t deny these pages are really well drawn.
As mentioned on Discord, this bleeding-edge tech could explain why there were only three warriors. If we look back at CH43, it almost seems as though Bojack and his newly formed crew destroyed a lot of things and killed many scientists. Only eight years have passed in-universe between CH43 and CH113. It’s possible that the remaining Jaykal/Hera-Jin scientists and military personnel took that long to finally get the experimental facilities back up and running. As this page says, the warriors were only wearing experimental armor and such. That would explain why there weren’t more of them, since these fighters were apparently the literal (new) test subjects.
Wow, diese ganze Inszenierung ist einfach beeindruckend. Wie Bojack's Team am Ende dargestellt wird – die Krieger, besiegt am Boden liegend, und die Wissenschaftler unter Schock. Alle Gesichtsausdrücke sind einfach großartig.
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Hey, I kind of like Yakichi. He fits right in with the Bojack crew, both visually and in terms of his bloodthirstiness. He seems like someone who could have actually been the sixth crew member in the Bojack Unbound movie.
However, Salagir has also indirectly hinted that it’s more likely because they don’t want one of the science buildings where the experiments were being conducted to be accidentally destroyed by a stray shot.
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YellNinja1600 was saying:
That hasn't really been explained yet. I, among others, have suspected that it's because Bojack's crew doesn't want to draw unnecessary attention to themselves, which seems entirely possible when you're throwing KI attacks around. The idea that Snower's people can detect any strong energy emissions via their scouters is possible.Cool panels
Does anyone know why Bojack crew are forbid to use energy attacks ?
Is it because Snower and Cold’s scanners will detect which planet they are on ?
Does anyone know why Bojack crew are forbid to use energy attacks ?
Is it because Snower and Cold’s scanners will detect which planet they are on ?
However, Salagir has also indirectly hinted that it’s more likely because they don’t want one of the science buildings where the experiments were being conducted to be accidentally destroyed by a stray shot.
Oh, man legt großen Wert darauf, wie Yakichi mit diesem Schlag schließlich einen Krieger getötet hat.
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Wow, Zangya is such an acrobat. That’s one of the most beautiful and creative uses of the Psycho Thread I’ve ever seen. The combination of the special-threads and the kick makes it incredibly dangerous, even when fighting alone. This technique is usually used as support, but it is always effective when it takes the victim by surprise. A truly impressive move. Great page!
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In the background, we can still see the aftermath of Bujin’s attack, with the rocks ramming the other warrior into the ground.
I love the fact that the warrior is carrying a weapon. That’s exactly how I pictured it. Ordinary soldiers with something like short swords, while the commander carried a special sword, which is now in Gokua’s possession. The warriors actually seem weaker than Bojack’s crew, despite the extra transformation. Hmm, I’m looking forward to more details. 2 Replie(s)
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I love the fact that the warrior is carrying a weapon. That’s exactly how I pictured it. Ordinary soldiers with something like short swords, while the commander carried a special sword, which is now in Gokua’s possession. The warriors actually seem weaker than Bojack’s crew, despite the extra transformation. Hmm, I’m looking forward to more details. 2 Replie(s)
We currently have 10 Hera-Jin, aka Jaykals, in the scene, and each one has either an unique outfit and/or a specific facial feature. It’s actually good that this is mentioned; for once, I can give credit where it’s due for managing to make all these characters look distinct despite there being so many of them.
I like the scientist best here. She looks like the “Little Girl Running Away” meme. xD
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I like the scientist best here. She looks like the “Little Girl Running Away” meme. xD
Bujin mit seinen speziellen telekinetischen + magischen Fähigkeiten. Echt cool, wenn er diese im Kampf einsetzt.
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Ich hätte mir gewünscht, wir hätten ein längeres Panel erhalten, in der beide Lager direkt aufeinanderprallen. Aber das hier ist natürlich auch sehr gut.
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3-vs-6. Not an even fight. These pirates are exploiting their numbers in their favor.
Notice how Zangya simply tells Bojack not to use any energy attacks, as if it were obvious to everyone else that they should keep a low profile so that Snower’s spies can’t track their energy signatures. 2 Replie(s)
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Notice how Zangya simply tells Bojack not to use any energy attacks, as if it were obvious to everyone else that they should keep a low profile so that Snower’s spies can’t track their energy signatures. 2 Replie(s)
RenatoGd was saying:
Absolutely right. You can see that very clearly in Bojack and Kogu.Ayashi was saying: ...what's the transformation? i'm not seeing a difference...
heraseijins base form: blue skin and orange redhair.
heraseijins transformed: green skin and scarlet hair.
heraseijins base form: blue skin and orange redhair.
heraseijins transformed: green skin and scarlet hair.
![[img]](https://i.postimg.cc/7LVhCt38/Bojack-Base-Transformed.jpg)
![[img]](https://i.postimg.cc/Bvgb87xR/Kogu-Base-Transformed.jpg)
Salagir was saying:
Oh, now that I’ve read your comment, I went back and looked at the U16 Special featuring the Jaykal aka Hera-Jin Trio. You’re right—you can actually see the differences in the black-and-white comic between the base forms and transformed forms of Shigiya, Nikuji, and Hanzai. That’s an amazing eye for detail.Ayashi was saying: ...what's the transformation? i'm not seeing a difference...RenatoGd was saying: heraseijins base form: blue skin and orange redhair.
heraseijins transformed: green skin and scarlet hair.
Yes, this is really not easy to follow in a manga in greyscales. :(
Base form: grey skin and white hair.
Transformed: white skin and grey hair.
heraseijins transformed: green skin and scarlet hair.
Yes, this is really not easy to follow in a manga in greyscales. :(
Base form: grey skin and white hair.
Transformed: white skin and grey hair.
![[img]](https://i.postimg.cc/W1nLPBmW/Shigya-Base-Transformed.jpg)
![[img]](https://i.postimg.cc/523dMh5P/Nikuji-Base-Transformed.jpg)
![[img]](https://i.postimg.cc/zGq6pdmw/Hanzai-Base-Transformed.jpg)
Tanren_kun has also been sticking to the pattern here. Great work so far. I wonder if the warriors will get names eventually.
Die Transformationssequenz sehen sowohl bei den Kriegern, als auch bei Bojack echt cool aus. Besonders wie bei Bojack die Kleidung durch die freigewordenen Energie zerfetzt wird.
DB Multiverse page 2657
Er ist sich ziemlich sicher, hier nicht zu sterben. Er würde die Lage sicherlich nicht falsch einschätzen, oder?
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DB RED page 70
Beach's Gesichtsausdruck im letzten Panel erinnert mich so sehr an Oda's Zeichenstil, besonders wenn Nami und Co. in One Piece wütend auf jemanden sind. Haha, gut gemacht.
Super Dragon Bros Z page 236
Genau die Behandlung, die Vegeta verdient. Haha. Nein, aber im Ernst, Vegeta provoziert solche Situationen ja immer wieder.
Vegeta Tales page 97
Ah, die Hintergrundeffekte in Panel 3 und 4 sind hervorragend.
DBMultiverse Colors page 522
Ouv, vielen Dank, das du so ein leidenschaftlicher und engagierter DBM-Fan bist, genau wie wir alle hier. Wir alle wissen deine harte Arbeit sehr zu schätzen.
DBMultiverse Colors page 521
Ja, Goku, das hättet ihr versuchen sollen. Allgemein hättet ihr eine Menge Sachen zumindest versuchen können in der Serie, haha.
DBMultiverse Colors page 520
Lustig, Nasu deutet an, das Yamoshi selbst verrückt ist, weil er bleibt und kämpft. Ich mag ihren Charakter, sie ist mir ans Herz gewachsen.
Yamoshi Story page 178
Oh, so the warriors can transform, just like Bojack. Judging by Gokua’s and Yakichi’s reactions, they (and probably the rest of Bojack’s crew) can’t.
Also, the new armor for the Jaykal warriors looks absolutely awesome. I really need to know what color combination is intended for it. The pants are probably black. The torso maybe a mix of yellow and red? I’m so curious; I have to ask Salagir and Tanren_kun about it when I get the chance. Those round things in the middle of the chest that shine so beautifully. I wonder what exactly they are. 2 Replie(s)
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Also, the new armor for the Jaykal warriors looks absolutely awesome. I really need to know what color combination is intended for it. The pants are probably black. The torso maybe a mix of yellow and red? I’m so curious; I have to ask Salagir and Tanren_kun about it when I get the chance. Those round things in the middle of the chest that shine so beautifully. I wonder what exactly they are. 2 Replie(s)
I'll be honest: Panel 3 looks incredibly cool.
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DrewSaga was saying:
That’s a very interesting observation. I also think Bojack will somehow carry out Level 2 of the Jaykal Experiment. However, I’d argue that Bojack is an anomaly among the Hera-Jins. For some reason, he was the only one who had already undergone the transformation during Level 1 of the experiment and eliminated the protégé Seggui.
Bo-ain't-got-jack.
Though it looks like Frost Demons are not the only species in the universe that suffers from pure hubris. Jaykals are too. They are the same species that thought they were gonna throw hands with Vegetto after all (in U16).
Like I am sure that they could already take on Snower and Cold without Bojack's help with the Level 2 of the experiment and volunteers who are not like fucking Bojack.
And yes, I am measuring it by levels:
— Level 1: was the experiment Bojack, Bido and the other members of the gang got as well as a few others. Allowed the Bojack gang (with large casualties) to beat Polar.
— Level 2: Looks to be the one that puts Bojack around Cell's level of power. Which does make Bojack a universal threat and likely the one to kill Snower in the process.
— Level 3: The level of experiment the Jaykal fighters took in the U16 special, power great enough that Bra (at 12 Years Old) was forced to push herself to SSJ2 to beat them. This must be SSJ3-level at least, maybe even Mystic.
Though it looks like Frost Demons are not the only species in the universe that suffers from pure hubris. Jaykals are too. They are the same species that thought they were gonna throw hands with Vegetto after all (in U16).
Like I am sure that they could already take on Snower and Cold without Bojack's help with the Level 2 of the experiment and volunteers who are not like fucking Bojack.
And yes, I am measuring it by levels:
— Level 1: was the experiment Bojack, Bido and the other members of the gang got as well as a few others. Allowed the Bojack gang (with large casualties) to beat Polar.
— Level 2: Looks to be the one that puts Bojack around Cell's level of power. Which does make Bojack a universal threat and likely the one to kill Snower in the process.
— Level 3: The level of experiment the Jaykal fighters took in the U16 special, power great enough that Bra (at 12 Years Old) was forced to push herself to SSJ2 to beat them. This must be SSJ3-level at least, maybe even Mystic.
Echt super Einstieg ins Kapitel. Wir erfahren so viele neue Einzelheiten. Die Wissenschaftlerin wirkt hier, als wäre sie ziemlich klein. Mal sehen, ob das nur aufgrund der Perspektive der Zeichnungen so ist, oder ob sie wirklich eine kleine Statur hat, auf den nächsten Seiten.
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Ich will ehrlich sein: Panel 3 sieht unglaublich cool aus.
DB Multiverse page 2656
The Hera-Jin aka Jaykal Military still exist? Yes! (That fits perfectly for my DBM spin-off fanfic.) I’m really glad to hear that — I’ve had so many ideas swirling around in my head about what exactly happened after Bojack defeated Commander Seggui and they left the secret base. The new armor looks fresh. They scrapped the baggy pants design from page 967. I definitely have to incorporate that into my story.
Bido is a real cold-blooded bastard. He sees people who now serve the same military he once served before joining Bojack. And his reaction is to use the technology on himself since it still works. No remorse he betrayed them all.
Hey, that’s the Hera lady from the cover. Seems to be a scientist. Her assessment fits with the previous depiction. When the Jaykal General talks about Polar and Cold on page 964, we clearly see the silhouettes of their Restriction Forms #2. If the Frostdemons never transformed during the war with the Jaykals, it’s understandable to think they believed that the restricted form was their maximum.
DB Multiverse page 2655
Bido is a real cold-blooded bastard. He sees people who now serve the same military he once served before joining Bojack. And his reaction is to use the technology on himself since it still works. No remorse he betrayed them all.
Hey, that’s the Hera lady from the cover. Seems to be a scientist. Her assessment fits with the previous depiction. When the Jaykal General talks about Polar and Cold on page 964, we clearly see the silhouettes of their Restriction Forms #2. If the Frostdemons never transformed during the war with the Jaykals, it’s understandable to think they believed that the restricted form was their maximum.
The coloring is truly beautiful. It really enhances the original. Of course, the Mafuba always looks great in color compared to black-and-white manga.
DBMultiverse Colors page 519
Ich stelle mir gerne vor, dass ZenBuu's Bemerkung über Tenshinhan rückblickend als eine Anspielung auf das dienen kann, was im U4-Roman beschrieben wurde. Dort war Tenshinhan der einzige der ursprünglichen Z-Kämpfer, der weiterhin versuchte, Buu irgendwie zu besiegen, während die anderen das Schicksal ihrer absorbierten Freunde und den neue Status-Quo akzeptierten.
DBMultiverse Colors page 518
Ich finde es ziemlich witzig, wie vorher niemand bemerkt hat, dass Cillied von Cumbers KI-Angriff gar nicht wirklich vernichtet wurde. Da standen doch etliche Leute herum, und nachdem der Rauch sich gelegt hat, merkte keiner Chilled's Körper, der noch komplett intakt war. Aber nun gut, ist okay.
Yamoshi Story page 177
Ja, das sieht ganz cool aus bisher. Ich tippe, die Ki-Kugeln fliegen dann direkt auf den Affen am Boden.
DB RED page 68
Moment, wo will sie denn überhaupt hin? Was könnte wichtiger und interessanter sein, als den eigenen Soldaten dabei zuzusehen, eine Alien Invasion aufzuhalten.
DB RED page 64
I have to say, it’s always a pleasure to see this art. No matter how long it takes — even if I had to wait weeks or months for a new page.
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Kakodaiman: the Return of Cashman!! page 58
So, he realizes he's made a serious mistake, and his reaction is to make things even worse. Dude, stop pointing the gun at her.
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Early dayz page 74
Mann, dieser Dieb muss sich wirklich mal etwas beruhigen, bevor er sie aus Versehen erschießt.
Early dayz page 73
Ich schätze, das wird Vegeta's übliche Tracht Prügel sein, nachdem er zuvor damit geprahlt hat, zu gewinnen.
Vegeta Tales page 95
Um welche Art von Göttern geht es hier? Auf einer Skala zwischen Kami und Süd-Kaioshin? xD
Vegeta Tales page 92
Let’s try to stay on topic again.
Here’s something I’ve been wondering about for a long time. Did Snower and his empire ever discover the Jaykals’ — aka the Hera-Jins’ — secret base? Are we supposed to believe that they just let such a facility fall into disrepair after the events of CH43? After all, at least the exterior architecture looks just like it did in CH43.
![[img]](https://i.postimg.cc/2SSqWPsw/0963.png)
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I wish we had a much more detailed (visual) description of the surroundings of the (former) secret Jaykal military base. In the Bojack Origin Story, Chapter 43, it looked as though the secret base was underground — or at least partially so — to allow spaceships to land there. You can clearly see on page 981 how the newly formed Bojack Gang flies through an open hole in the sky, which suggests that the base was either only partially underground to begin with, or that the ceiling of the cave where they were all located partially collapsed as a result of the fight between Bojack and Seggui.
It was never really explained why the Frost Demons supposedly couldn’t find the base after all these years. Snower and Co. definitely didn’t find the base; otherwise, the Frostdemons would have experimented there themselves and become stronger, and Snower would have mentioned something similar on page 2651 or Polar in CH97. And are we now supposed to assume that no one from Snower’s empire found this place after Bojack and Seggui fought a fierce battle there and obviously destroyed a lot of stuff? Well, it’s just the beginning of the chapter, we’ll surely learn more.
DB Multiverse page 2654
Here’s something I’ve been wondering about for a long time. Did Snower and his empire ever discover the Jaykals’ — aka the Hera-Jins’ — secret base? Are we supposed to believe that they just let such a facility fall into disrepair after the events of CH43? After all, at least the exterior architecture looks just like it did in CH43.
![[img]](https://i.postimg.cc/2SSqWPsw/0963.png)
![[img]](https://i.postimg.cc/httJmHk0/0971.png)
![[img]](https://i.postimg.cc/522HzZh5/0976.png)
I wish we had a much more detailed (visual) description of the surroundings of the (former) secret Jaykal military base. In the Bojack Origin Story, Chapter 43, it looked as though the secret base was underground — or at least partially so — to allow spaceships to land there. You can clearly see on page 981 how the newly formed Bojack Gang flies through an open hole in the sky, which suggests that the base was either only partially underground to begin with, or that the ceiling of the cave where they were all located partially collapsed as a result of the fight between Bojack and Seggui.
It was never really explained why the Frost Demons supposedly couldn’t find the base after all these years. Snower and Co. definitely didn’t find the base; otherwise, the Frostdemons would have experimented there themselves and become stronger, and Snower would have mentioned something similar on page 2651 or Polar in CH97. And are we now supposed to assume that no one from Snower’s empire found this place after Bojack and Seggui fought a fierce battle there and obviously destroyed a lot of stuff? Well, it’s just the beginning of the chapter, we’ll surely learn more.
Ich wünschte, wir hätten eine viel genauere (visuelle) Beschreibung der Umgebung der (ehemaligen,) geheimen Militärbasis der Jaykals. Im ehemaligen Bojack-Origin Kapitel 43 sah es so aus, als befände sich die geheime Basis unterirdisch – oder zumindest teilweise –, damit Raumschiffe dort landen konnten. Es wurde nie wirklich erklärt, warum die Frostdämonen die Basis angeblich nicht finden konnten. Und sollen wir nun annehmen, dass niemand aus Snowers Imperium diesen Ort gefunden hat, nachdem Bojack und Seggui dort einen heftigen Kampf ausgetragen und offensichtlich eine Menge Zeug zerstört hatten? Nun gut, ist eben der Anfang des Kapitels, wir erfahren sicherlich mehr.
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