I say this cover from Miss Pepper wins. 😆

It's also in Dragon Bros, but that particular cover isn't re-released yet.

I don't recognize the character in 3rd pic.

Feuille de fer sagte: Cette intro me fait totalement penser à "L'Attaque des Titans", haha.


Tales of symphonia the animation reference :)

Older than snk !

Always wondered something.

Friezas universe, what happened to Earth? I mean I can totally see it not being targeted by Cooler, Cold, & Frieza.

Its so far out of nowhere.

But I am curious, does the timeline continue? Dr. Gero turning himself into an android
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Android 19

Then 17 & 18. Honestly? I kinda hope Gero works out the bugs, it would be so damn funny lol. Imagine frieza being taken out by Earthlings.

Cause Dr. GERO Would dominate, nothing to stop him. 17 & 18 would be insanely powered & more obedient.
Then comes Cell, more time focusing on him. If we see another special, I hope DBM uses the concept cell art
It would be so cool.

I can imagine Frieza & Cooler losing. King Cold? No way, but as we see into the future.
He would probably reward the Earth for taking out those troublesome individuals.

I asked Salagir once, and he told me in that universe Dr Gero lost interest in making Androids, because Goku was no longer around.

So is this after the tournament because a varga was a snitch or is it still before tournament

How did Bardock not see this coming? He can see visions of the future. And he is death for sure. This Raichi did was already dangerous with Broly as one of his ghosts. Now he also U13 Vegeta and U17 super perfect Cell jr added.

I think this is a prequel showing how the Saiyan empire fell and how Bardock survived. Because Hanasia is still here while Piccolo and Tapion aren’t

Bardock has basically no chance at all. His only advantage is being able to see the future and maaaaaybe coming up with some incredible plan. I'd give him a 0.0001% chance of winning. Piccolo doesn't even have a reason to help him, Raichi has no interest in him, and it's not like Bardock is his friend or anything.

since when has Vegetto been an egomaniac, when did they change him into this insufferable person, it's like I'm reading Homelander 2.0

Okay but what's the point. They could wish for immortality if they wanted to, but they really don't (well not XXI). Only Frieza and Vegeta wanted immortality when they were evil and that was more of a hubris thing than a "I wanted to be older than a planet" thing.

Couldn't Vegeto just have wished for immortality with the dragon balls of his universe? Why should he be tempted now?

uh click here button is not workig

it shows weird array at bottom though

and numbers are somewhat wrong

big bang is 13.7 billion, not 15 billion yerars ago

and earth is 4.6 billion not 5 bil yrs old

multicellular life not 2 bil, but is 1.6 bil yrs ago

and so on...

Does the second panel imply this avatar is U5 Old Kai, who's also been brainwashed by XXL?

Where did it ever say Saiyans only live to 100? I know it said something along the lines of being "young" until 60-80 years old, so I figured they had roughly double the lifespan of humans, on average. Also, there's nothing this guy can offer him that the Dragon Balls couldn't have granted him in his own universe.

Er wird "Ksii" ausgesprochen, wurde zumindest einmal von Yamchu erwähnt.

In the very off chance Eleim didn't just die here, I can see a scenario in which XXI took an interest in making at least one member of the universe 19 fighters into one of his unwilling servants. He does have a habit of enslaving powerful fighters.

Carbonite action maybe also an option in some way.

What other clues?

I wonder why he powered down to SSJ2

I think there's a misinterpretation there, XXI is the one appearing as an illusion, his real body is somewhere else.

Ich hoffe Vegetto wird freiwillig überzeugt böse zu werden ohne Gedanken Kontrolle bei all denn langen Hype das Vegetto Gohan umbringt. Wir warten ligit über 10 Jahre digga wir alle sind richtige DB junkys aber wenn nach 12 Jahren Gedanken Kontrolle kommt als Erklärung ich währe sowas von enttäuscht wegen nach all denn Demütigungen die Vegetto durch Magie erlebt hat; Page 732, Page 1835, Page 2169, Page 2040, Page 2088,page 2307, Page 1825 hab ich mir gedacht das ein evil Vegetto kommt das wurde über Jahre hinweg angeteast ich hoffe es ist freiwillig und keine dumme Gedanken Kontrolle.

Oh ja, das wird spannend. Was will XXI von Vegetto. Ich frage mich sowieso was er noch will. Er hat ja eigentlich alle eingefroren, die ihm noch gefährlich werden können. Warum beschwört er nicht die Dragon Balls aus Uni 1 und erfüllt sich seinen Wunsch?
Vielleicht hab ich auch was vergessen in all den Jahren also klärt mich gerne auf, falls es so ist.

Hallo zusammen,

Durch Zufall habe ich diese Goldstückseite hier erst vor drei Tagen entdeckt, und dann innerhalb von diesen drei Tagen komplett von Seite 1 an durchgelesen.
Habe mir nur einen Account angelegt um ein großes Dankeschön und ein großes „wow“ dazulassen. Das ist ja wirklich episch, und alles Fan Art.
Habe wirklich alles weggesuchtet, und dann gesehen wie lange das alles schon läuft ! Wahnsinn. Nur schade dass ich jetzt auch zu denen gehöre, die warten müssen (in welchem Zyklus neue Kapitel kommen muss ich noch rausfinden 😂)

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Auf der letzten Seite hat Iron Leaf gefragt wie ich auf meine Aussage komme. Natürlich ist das nur ne Vermutung, aber so wie Wanemba beschrieben wurde und wenn man bedenkt dass er ein omnipotentes Wesen aus allen verschmolzenen Seelen des Himmels im Körper von König Emma ist, dann wirkt sein Laserstrahl und die Art wie er die Ultras in „Papierfetzen“ auflöst, nicht wie ein normaler Tod sondern eher wie das was ich beschrieben habe. Zumindest für mich. Aber ich würde mich nur zu gerne irren. Ich fand die Helios schon von Anfang mega geil. Der Gedanke, dass Normalsterbliche nur mit Technologie auf dem Niveau von SSJs und darüber landen ist einfach nur befriedigend für mich als Mensch. Wir würden auch genau solche Rüstungen bauen, wenn wir die Technologie dazu hätten.

Oops... You raise a point that I hadn’t thought of. The "lectures" are divided into sub-chapters (each with an average length of 20 pages, plus or minus 10 pages maximum). In the end, the "lecture #1" has only one sub-chapter, so it wasn’t important. But it might be more practical for the future to distinguish between the subchapters... I’m going to ask Salagir if he has an idea for how to do it.
(But I don’t feel like making subchapter covers! Yes, I’m lazy, but it’s also that it doesn’t seem relevant to me.)

(And sorry for not using an automatic translator for this message. I am too ashamed of myself. I did seven years of German at school, and I barely understand a few words. So, I don’t realize whether the translation is bad or not...)

Warum hat xxi den typen nicht im turnier eingesetzt? Der wäre doch sicher ein krasser gegner gewesen.

Ich befürchte sogar, dass die gestorbenen Ultras nicht mehr wiederbelebt werden können. Wenn das wirklich Wanemba ist, dann hat er die Ultras nicht nur getötet sondern ihre Seelen ausgelöscht.

What fight do you mean? I couldn't find anything about them fighting.

Der Moment wenn das reinste Wesen des guten mit unendlicher guten Seelen verschmolzen ist die guten angreift und ermordet und für denn bösen Typen Arbeitet alles klar.

Kannd dieses Wessen eigentlich durch Carbonite vernichtet werden?

Oder simpler, die Dragonball sind in einem anderen Universum gelagert. Dort hat er keinen Zugriff. Wen er nun seine Atombombe herausholte. Wie viele Chancen hat er nun an diese Dragonballs zu kommen. Null. Er muss durch das Turnier und an besten so leicht und unauffällig wie möglich. Deswegen sein Fake Körper und die simpelsten Methoden die es gibt.

Ich mage diesen Übergott auch nicht besonders, weil dieser einfach nicht wirklich gute genutzt wurde. Aber ein logischer Fehler in der Handlung macht dieser noch nicht.

Selbst wenn ich finde, dass die gesammte Story schlecht geschrieben ist. Logisch ist sie so weit Konsistent. Nur die Figuren verhalten sich teilweise extem Dämlich.

I doubt the others wanted Naurb to leave.
He wished to be court martialed with out the rest to defend him he likely be excuted.

But the Heliote wouldn't even feel a thing until the Life Freeze ended and if he is fully fixed by then, then it is like nothing ever happened.

If they use that molecular glue again, they can reassemble Naurb and bring him to the settlement to be resurrected.
And where are the rest of the Heloïtes?

What happened?

BangBang was saying: Well, seems like Naurb shouldn't have taken off his armor. I see that Phipsil is the writers' favorite and that Loopwhirl and Magsuns keep barely existing.
Phipsil is pretty cool. I haven’t seen her in bad light yet. The writers focus on her who didn’t even participate in the tournaments also focus on vegito and bra also uub. Pretty cool tbh. We getting character focus on characters we never knew in canon.

“Pull yourself together, Naurb!”

And they better glue Naurb back together!

I can see why we're getting Phipsil and Tidar (first? only?) seeing them all together like this. They seem subtly different but three guys with spiky black hair and two with similar blonde hair is a bit... you know you got to pick the more distinct designs especially since many of them are rather similar in personality I think anyway.

Naurb war doch der von U19 der von Babidi majinisiert wurde, und danach seine Rüstung aus Schande ablegte, oder?

Aww they gave him a little Gi to wear.

Curiously didn't work the first time in the tournament, the armour seems to learn from previous combats

This must be their Super Omega Gigachad Armor+.

To be fair, the thermal detector seems like the most likely function to be a standard feature to be in a high tech battle armour like theirs, it's basically just an additional setting for a scouter

I think some people are seriously underestimating the Ultras -- or at least, they don't fully understand them.

The Ultras aren't martial arts warriors, they're soldiers. Their technology was created specifically as a result of constant combat against beings that can naturally use ki. Modern day, real life soldiers have means of sealing up wounds on a battlefield. It's not too far of a stretch for the Ultras to have molecular glue.

Let's look at some of their tech...

1) Their people created carbonite -- nanotechnology that consumes, and converts, matter into more carbonite.
2) They have lasers powerful enough to cut through barriers made by ki or magic.
3) Their armor provides them with the strength, speed, and durability of, at least, a SSJ2-level fighter (IIRC).
4) They can detect, and read, power levels (via technology, not ki).

I'm sure there are probably one or two other things that I'm missing, but my point is, they are soldiers, and as such, it makes sense that they would have a soldier's toolkit. In fact, if I remember correctly, they are the elite soldiers of their planetary species. Something like a thermal scan shouldn't surprise anyone.

Given the things we've seen from other fighters, using magic or ki, I think we should allow some leeway for the Ultras to the right tech for some key moments.

iron leaf was saying: It seems my comment caused quite a stir. Let me explain why I wrote that. But to do that, I’d have to go back a long way.

I love fanfiction. I love it when fanfiction introduces original characters. I love it when original characters also belong to an original race. I love it when that original race has its own lore. I love it when that lore is woven into Dragon Ball. That’s why I love Helior and the Heloites. I love the characters from Helior, like Wigner, Waals, Feyn, Lidar, Dirac, Nim, Genroent, Eleim, Nedwook, Naurb, etc. I love the Ultra Armor, which has so many functions and transforms unspectacular characters into powerful ones; I love the backstory regarding the Kolloks, Tregor, Galasir, Carbonite, etc. I love how the planet that Raditz wanted to conquer - and for which he needed Goku’s help, which is why he came to Earth in the first place and set the entire DBZ narrative in motion - turned out to be the planet Helior in DBM.

I was devastated when it was confirmed that Lady Fire would no longer be writing the U19 novel, meaning it had been put on hold indefinitely. And I can well imagine that, with the exception of Ouroboros, no one cares as much about this as I do.

DBM consistently demonstrates its ability to tell fascinating stories and create memorable characters. South Kaioshin, Dr. Raichi, ZenBuu, XXI, Gast, Ginyu, Cyborg Yamcha, Mystic Raditz, Vegetto, just to name a few. I know that DBM is capable of creating something incredible. For a long time, I was firmly convinced that U19 would get their turn too.

I was a huge fan at the beginning (Anyone who wants to go to the trouble of digging up my old comments is welcome to do so, I don't lie in my comments. I was actually a fan of Phipsil at the start), which is why my current disappointment cuts even deeper. For some reason, no effort is being made for the U19 participants, even though I know from so many examples that DBM would certainly be capable of doing so. It seems like a conundrum: why must U19 be kept in the story if, by all accounts, there’s no interest in developing them as characters? (Universe 3, 4, 6, 10, 11, 15 & 10 are gone already, why not do the same with universe 19?) We had the hinted-at arc for Eleim, who has to prove himself as the apparent leader and carry the burden on his shoulders. Why were there never any interactions that would have brought a smile to any Dragonball Fan? The tech-savvy characters like the Heloites, Vargas, Dr. Raichi, and U9 Bulma have absolutely no interactions with one another. U18 and U19 are literally neighbors in the stadium. Magsuns and Loopwhirl strike me as the Heloite versions of Trunks and Goten. They could have been shown constantly bantering with each other along the walls. Eleim and Goku as their respective leaders, Nedwook and Vegeta with their no-nonsense attitudes, Xeniloum and Son Gohan as talented but overwhelmed in extreme situations. Just a few ideas that could have been sprinkled in here and there to slowly establish some personality for the new characters.

This brings us to the reason why I don't like Phipsil... anymore.

She is the epitome of why the U19 participants don’t receive better treatment. Why, unfortunately, we’ll never see the Heloites again, except as sidekicks or cannon fodder. Because everything revolves around Phipsil (nowadays). After her magnificent performance in the MR-Arc, the whole thing has taken a turn for the worse. Instead of using the hype surrounding the Heloites, which arose during the battle against the Majin Warriors, to bring them all to the forefront (in appropriate cases, individually of course), it was sadly decided that any focus on U19 Post-MR-Arc would be directed solely at Phipsil. This strange pandering to the reader has developed over time. The forced inclusion of this woman in various cover images, right after the MR-Arc. The completely baffling portrayal of Phipsil after Son Bra’s defeat in her tournament fight. How they simply adapted Chibi Phipsil from the parody “Chibi Son Bra Did Her Best” directly into the main comic, so to speak, by turning her into a Son Bra fangirl. The Son Bra–Phipsil Yuri jokes. The obsession both outside and within the DBM Forum, DBM Discord, and DBM Twitch in the years immediately following the MR arc. All of this has left an extremely bitter aftertaste. All that hype, solely for a character who, in an honest assessment, would serve as nothing more than a supporting character in U19. At best, the bridge between the Heloites and the Z-Fighters. A bridge that had already been established with Eleim, but was then suddenly torn down so that Phipsil could take over instead.

Phipsil is a prime example of what happens when you focus more on the trappings and on providing a platform than on the heart of the matter. Whenever writers focus more on a character’s popularity than on the story or plot, it’s not a good sign. It’s bad for DBM, especially because you don’t have a character you want to develop, just a poster girl you can wave around.

“I’m taking this too seriously,” many will surely think. “It’s all just for fun. People just want to have fun with the character Phipsil, and that’s how they want to present it.” But you could say that about everything in DBM. DBM itself is just for fun; every aspect of DBM was created for fun. In contrast, my personal favorite OC in DBM is Snower. I could write entire essays about him. What a brilliant character he is, and how incredibly he enriches DBM. The kind of fun that led to Snower being implemented in DBM, that’s the kind of fun I’d like to see more of in DBM.

I just don’t want to see Phipsil anymore. I’m sick of her. Even though she doesn’t actually have that much screen time in the DBM comic, all the fuss surrounding her since 2018 has gotten on my nerves. Mary Sue and Gorkor are also characters who generate some temporary hype (whenever they are on-screen), but they aren’t an integral part of the main story. They aren’t in positions that influence the course of the comic. Honestly, if none of the Heloites really have distinct personalities, they’re basically all interchangeable and that’s why the DBM team just uses whichever ones they like best, then I seriously wonder if we shouldn’t just do without the Heloites altogether.

Since the XXI-Arc is in full swing, there are sure to be a few more casualties. Surely the creators want to establish XXI's slaves Hopocus and Lady Di as threatening characters in the main DBM storyline somehow. As far as I'm concerned, I'd be perfectly fine with Phipsil being one of those victims. I have no problem with violence in Dragon Ball or its use of gore. The depiction of U18 Trunks and U18 Bra’s deaths didn’t bother me, on the contrary, I’d like to see more creative scenes like that. Dragon Ball has a strong foundation where many characters are vaporized by Ki attacks. But sometimes there are also visually creative death scenes.

And that's it. I'm a horror movie fan, I despise Phipsil, and I want the epitome of everything that's wrong to meet a visually inglorious end. At least until the Dragonballs set everything right.



supersaiyan2kakarot was saying: I normally see your posts praising the current page and going over what could happen next. I don't think I have ever heard you criticize Phipsil (you even changed your profile picture). Any reason your hoping to see Phipsil's death? I've tried to hold back for a long time here in the commentsection. I've voiced most of my criticism on this topic on Discord. But I did find two instances where I ended up being a bit more critical (in regard of Phipsil) than usual.
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>>> She is the epitome of why the U19 participants don’t receive better treatment.

Literally untrue premise that leads to scapegoating. She was put into whole Majin Rebel arc precisely to raise the stake, because all god tier/ main leader/participant fighters were sent away! And she’s a “rookie” spectator in contrast against majin Naurub, a veteran.

>>> Phipsil is a prime example of what happens when you focus more on the trappings…

And again this is your false premise showing. You seem to have this belief that the audience love her simply because she’s cute and Asura favors her or whatnot. Could speak for some people, sure, but not for me. She is loved because she is the underdog side character who managed to contribute and eventually led to victorious conclusion of an arc. That’s always amazing regardless, DBZ audience love this trope and that’s why DBM is amazing in portraying minor characters.

I normally see your posts praising the current page and going over what could happen next. I don't think I have ever heard you criticize Phipsil (you even changed your profile picture). Any reason your hoping to see Phipsil's death?