Das ist so dämlich, dass es wieder lustig ist. Haha

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Am Besten mit einer Hintergrundmusik. Sowas braucht man eigentlich öfters in Dragonball Geschichten.

Ich muss Bros Goku zustimmen. Die Geschichte klingt sehr vertraut. xD 1 Replie(s)

Ich mochte es damals wirklich sehr, wie Goku im letzten Panel gezeigt wurde.

Wirklich amüsant das Meer aus Pink zu sehen. Das musste man damals sich immer vorstellen xD

It's just my headcanon, admittedly, but to me, SSJ2 seems to make the user mentally more arrogant than SSJ1 does.

In addition, I would say that the energy consumption required to maintain SSJ2 is higher than in SSJ1, but of course not as high as in SSJ3.

Da weiß jemand ganz genau welche Knöpfe man drücken muss. Das ist ein kleines Meisterwerk, die Zusammenstellung aller Mentoren von Goku in einem Bild, auch Grandpa Gohan. Das könnte man glatt als Poster aufhängen.

Ach, das Bild von Baby Gohan, so süß.

Ich bin sehr gespannt wie das ausgehen wird. 1 Replie(s)

Merry Christmas to you all, I hope everyone is having a joyful holiday season.

I want to say something extra about the whole Cell vs. Gast fight. The U7 Cell Arc has been one of the best cohesive special stories in DBM so far. I am absolutely overwhelmed, and even though this chapter isn't completely finished yet, I am convinced that it will find a good ending/epilogue for the arc. New characters were introduced, with cool designs. OC and legacy characters interact with each other believably and create their own iconic dynamics. And the story was mostly captivating and exciting. The discussions were heated with a lot of debate, but the majority of the community behaved admirably during these specials. And the promised Cell vs. Gast battle was one of the most spectacular and longest fights in a special, in terms of choreography and twists, etc.

That said, I don't find the detail about the nucleus upsetting. Even though I personally would have written the story differently, I think this approach is absolutely fine. As ZenBuu wrote in his comment, Cell confirmed his intentions himself. Gero's creation also had the intention to spread terror across the universe in U7 once he was done with Earth. I would say this is a consistent character portrayal across all universes. It is in Cell's nature to behave this way. His hubris ultimately leads to his downfall, and it was only in U17 that he was incredibly lucky. If U7 Cell were to return, which I doubt, then this duel from the mini-comic between Gast and Cell should take place. lol

The question of how Gast apparently knows about the Nucleus arises. I have to admit, I would have written it myself so that Cell survives, precisely because the nucleus is still somehow intact, secretly leaves Earth, later causes terror elsewhere in the universe, Gast meets Cell again, and in the final confrontation, the Namekian clearly learns about the nucleus. This would give more meaning to U10 Nail's statement at the beginning of the comic and explain why Gast aims so precisely at a specific spot on Cell Jr.'s head with just a single eye laser.

Nevertheless, I must also say that Cell's fight against Dabura in the DBM tournament actually provides enough clues for Gast. Cell decapitates himself to escape petrification and heals his entire body. Gast would know from this moment on, at the latest, that Cell alone with an intact head is capable of surviving.

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I understand your sentiment, but I'm afraid people are taking Vegetto and Gohan's statements from the tournament fight between Gast and Cell Jr. a little too seriously. Page 490 suggests, of course, that Guest himself knows about Nucleus and attacks Cell Jr.'s core based on that knowledge. Perhaps we are reading too much into it, and Guest simply targeted the most likely spot to eliminate his opponent with a single attack. It's not too far-fetched to say that it makes sense to shoot between the eyes to try to kill your opponent. And besides, Gast also saw Cell's fight against Dabura, where the bio-android tore his own head off his slowly petrified body. It's pretty logical that whatever keeps Cell alive must definitely be in Cell's head.

Wow. Gero hat das mit nur einem enzigen Angriff angerichtet. Selbstverständlich für einen SSJ-Powerlevel-Tier Kämpfer. Dennoch beeindruckend. Und natütlich ist Mr. Satan er selbst, haha.

Dying? A peculiar way to describe the heavenly Pillow upon which his head rests. 😆


Ah, the good old Dragon Ball had many good scenes like this.



I love the idea how in DBM Videl and Gohan are destined to find each other. No matter the circumstances. Even in the future timelines (U12, U14, U15), although there it's also tragic and sad.

And about the Androids. The chapter isn't finished yet, I guees, Gast will clean up or something like that.

U7 Gohan x U7 Videl. I ship it. xD

Aus Helix' Handpose könnte man leicht einen Mittelfinger machen. lol
Das erinnert ein wenig an die Namek-Arc in DBZ, als alle mithilfe der Dragonballs von einem Planeten zu einem anderen teleportiert wurden.

Ach, die arme Physalis! Leider wirkt die Szene etwas lustig, weil es so aussieht, als ob Yamoshi ihre Augenlider zuklatscht und nicht behutsam schließt.

I would like to point out Cell's death sequence in Dragon Ball Z. There is a series of panels showing him slowly disintegrating due to Son Gohan's KI attack. It is afterward declared unequivocally that Cell is indeed dead.

Bunga and Salagir clearly referenced this scene from DBZ here, even showing the panel sequence of Cell's face slowly being deformed by the ki attack.

As some have already mentioned, this scene is definitely not meant to be reminiscent of Cell's suicide attempt, in which Cell ultimately survived thanks to his nucleus, but rather the outcome of Gohan vs. Cell Kamehameha-Beam.

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Oh, the spectators have no idea what's in store for them in terms of interactive interruptions, lol.

I think it's great that the Saiyan transformations in DBM actually have different advantages and disadvantages and basically force you to strategize. I was never a fan of how often (both in canon and fanon) the weaker forms are rendered obsolete as soon as a new form is achieved. Far too often, it is assumed that the new form is identical to the previous one, except that it gives you a higher number. 1 Replie(s)

Ha, das ist wirklich gut. Der Humor trifft ganz genau die guten alten DB Witze. Gefällt mir sehr.

As I can see, he continues to keep assorted lengths of wire in his drawer. ;)

Mir gefällt die Rüstung von Turles sehr, und dann noch das Logo von Cooler's Spezialeinheit. 1 Replie(s)

Da fällt sogar der Typ im Hintergund um, lol.

Der schwarze Hintergrund sollte damals natürlich die Leere des Universums repräsentieren. Aber diese Effekte hier sind so viel besser. Jetzt ist ausgeschlossen, dass man es verwechselt. In der Schwarz-Weiß-Version hätte man auch davon ausgehen können, dass Vegetto sich in einer anderen Dimension befindet. Die Kolorierung ist wirklich wunderschön, vor allem Vegetto's Wutausbruch. Herrlich!

Let's not forget that Gast only recently came up with this technique. It may be that it is not yet fully developed and does not suppress the opponent's energy 100% in this first use against U7 Cell. If we let our imagination run wild, it wouldn't be too far-fetched to think that Gast neglected Cell's tail a little bit when applying his technique.

Cell's Gesichtsausdruck, als ihm klar wird, wie schlimm seine Lage ist. Und der Shchweif, der direkt auf Gast zusteuert. Hervorragend gezeichnet von Bunga.


Aura und Rizz sind das neue "Cool". So wie es mir erklärt wurde, haha. 1 Replie(s)

Jetzt habe ich Lust wieder The Mandalorian zu gucken, haha.

Oh je! So viel Text! Sie lässt ihm praktisch keine Ruhe.

Ach, gute alte Asterix Referenzen. 1 Replie(s)

Ich fand die Szene mit Shin und Süd Kaioshin immer so lustig. Echt gut gemacht. Und die Farben sind gut geworden. Ich habe im S/W Comic nie darüber nachgedacht, wie viel Pink am Ende eigentlich zu sehen ist.

It was only years later that I realized that Babidi was the only one who was truly gagged. That was when the MR-Arc came to an end. There, ZenBuu also gagged Babidi. This can mean nothing and it's probably just Buu liking to torture Babidi. Although, it can serve as foreshadowing that ZenBuu actually has no counter to the Majin sealing spell. Preventing the spell from being cast in the first place is the best way to protect yourself from it. Of course, this has never been confirmed, so it remains a hypothesis. But I like to think that's the case.

Ach, ich liebe diese Seite. Bei U18 spielt Teamwork tatsächlich eine große Rolle. Und die beiden Buus, haha, witzig.

Let's wait until Gohan finds out that Goku has died for the second time.

I couldn't help but think back to the mini-comic-page-111. It suggests that Cell would eliminate Dr. Gero once he reached his perfect form. He sees Gero as nothing more than a means to an end.

Salagir seems very certain that Cell, regardless of the major changes between the universes, will always have the urge to kill his creator when the opportunity arises. In this case, by destroying the planet.

Das ist wirklich heftig. So, wie Gast seinen Arm blitzschnell regeneriert und eine große Ki-Attacke vorbereitet, wirkt es fast, als hätte sich der Große Grüne stark zurückgehalten, um absichtlich auf eine Gelegenheit zu warten, bei der er diese Technik problemlos ausführen kann.

I think you're referring to this chapter with the limited screen time for Cell and Gast so far. However, I must refer you to chapter 107, in which a large part of the chapter is devoted to a spectacular battle between Gast and Cell. I am very surprised by your comment, which suggests that this was a short battle. I must say the opposite, that it was possibly one of the longest single fight in a special in the entire DBM.


I think Gast specifically mentions Namekian because he may have based this technique on it. Perhaps he experimented with his own KI to find out how it could be deactivated from outside using this technique. Since Cell carries Namekian cells within him, he is the best guinea pig. Based on this experience, Gast continued to refine the technique until it worked on everyone who emanates KI or, as XXI said, has a soul. Of course, this is just my hypothesis.


Do you really assume that it always goes according to standard "Dragonball" procedure? Well, maybe a little bit of Future Trunks from the Mecha-Freeza Arc seems to be present in Gast.

Einfach wunderschön. Genau sowas haben wir lange gebraucht. Ein weiteres Wiedersehen zwischen Goku und Gohan.

We can assume that Gast does not mean that Cell is “easy to read." A quick Google search tells me that it has something to do with the Bible. Strange. But then also something along the lines of... “an opportunity.” As if Gast wanted to say that Cell, due to his Namekian characteristics, offers an opportunity to apply a new technique.

This indirectly reminded me of “Attack on Titan,” where there is a similar scene in which one character uses another character like a key to open a door (metaphorically speaking).



It is basically a form of power neutralization. It may be that we are just now learning about the origin of this technique. A technique that originated from being used on someone with a similar biology as Gast himself. Someone with Namekian biology. This was then apparently refined over the following 20 years until the DBM tournament, so that it works on any living being. The limitation until the end seems to be that the opponent must have a soul. As we learn later in the fight against XXI.

Ich mag die Vielfalt der außerirdischen Bewohner.

Ah, das ist die berühmte Seite, auf der U9 Bulma fälschlicherweise erscheint, die zu diesem Zeitpunkt buchstäblich nur auf diesem einen bestimmten Cover zu sehen war. Natürlich darf man Bardock's Vision mit ZenBuu nicht vergessen. Und das Foreshadowing bezüglich Karbonit – obwohl chronologisch gesehen Son Bra gegen Eleim vor Cold gegen Bardock stattfindet und Karbonit in diesem Kampf eingesetzt wird, ist es uns Lesern noch unbekannt. 1 Replie(s)

Ich frage mich, wenn wir hier Asuras Versionen der Vargas angewendet hätten, wäre es dann Sei gewesen, die auf dieser Seite verzweifelt versucht hätte, den Knopf zu drücken?

Der Beginn eines weiteren Running Gags. West Kaioshin wird immer ins Gesicht geschlagen. Hier bei ZenBuu's Ausraster. Dann zu Beginn des MR-Arcs mit Dabura und während des Körpertauschmordes im MR-Arc.

@Cell surviving in space
Gero mentioned that Cell is based on anthropods, and there are several cases of arthropods (primarily insects) that can survive long periods without oxygen by relying on anaerobic metabolism and other adaptations (e.g. Tiger beetle larvae). These durations are often extended at lower temperatures, where metabolic rates slow dramatically. Applying real science in DB usually goes against the rules of shonen anime, but I wanted to mention it.

I have to agree with that. It's not unusual for characters to be able to protect themselves in the vacuum of space once they reach a certain power level. As we know, this must be much stronger than a simple SSJ1. Neither Goku SSJ1 in DBZ nor Ancient Hanasia SSJ1 in DBM were/would have been able to survive in space despite SSJ1. Gast and Cell currently appear to be much stronger.

Cell sieht im letzten Panel wirklich furchterregend aus. Großartige Arbeit von Bunga. Ich kann immer noch nicht fassen, dass Cell tatsächlich Gast im Kampf besiegt hat. Der Namekianer muss wohl zu Tricks zurückgreifen oder so ähnliches.

I bet we will find out on the next page about the context.


Bulma has always had a knack for bossing everyone around her. It wasn't just Son Goku. With some, she was more successful than others. I have to admit, I also like the dynamic between Thorn and Bulma. The Alcmenian is already part of the U7 Z-Fighters, whether he likes it or not, haha.

Dr. Gero revels in memories of his long-dead wife for a second too long.

We don't know exactly what is standing in front of him at the moment. It could be either Puar or Oolong. Maybe an illusion or a robot. Some people have correctly deduced that it must definitely have something to do with Thorn and Bulma.

Thorn uses this brief moment of Gero's inattention to pull off the same maneuver he used on #28 on page 2426. The surprise attack seems to be a complete success. To be precise, Thorn has connected a device to the energy-absorbing palms, which in turn causes a short circuit in these models of androids.

While with #28 a makeshift device was cobbled together in a hurry, in Gero's case, it appears to be a practical little device that was probably co-developed at Bulma's base.




It may seem that way. However, I prefer it because it introduces a plot point early on (causing a short circuit in the androids and stealing their energy). Now it doesn't seem like it came out of nowhere, since this approach has already been introduced.

Irgendwie muss ich an die 1970er denken, wenn ich Gero im Flashback sehe. haha.
Also wird hier bestätigt, dass es sich natürlich nicht um die echte Vomi/Android 21 handeln kann. Und Gero hat das sofort durchschaut, allerdings waren diese Millisekunden der Verwirrung genug für Thorn, um zu handeln. Der gleiche Trick wie bei C28.

To be honest, I don't like Android 21.
I have a certain aversion to DBM doing this. The idea that Gero had a wife sounds logical, of course. And maybe DBM simply incorporated the fact that Gero had a wife named Vomi. And if nothing else was taken over except that Vomi was also a scientist, then that's fine with me. The whole plot of FighterZ is much more fan fiction to me than actual fan fiction. 3 Replie(s)

This is possibly one of my favorite pages in DBM now. One of the best villain introduction scenes ever. So cool.

That's exactly what I always imagined if Gero were the main antagonist of an arc. As we know, Toriyama's editor allegedly urged him to replace Gero and A19 with other villains because Clown and Old Man were supposedly boring.

Gero is truly terrifying and competent in this scene. Imagine Piccolo Daimao ruling for more than just a day. 1 Replie(s)

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Sollten die Pupillen in SSJ nicht etwas „grüner” sein? Nun, vielleicht bin ich hier nur pingelig. Insgesamt eine sehr schöne Seite. 1 Replie(s)

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that even without Cell, King Kai would have died sooner or later because of Goku. Cause of death: ruptured aneurysm.

Well, this is off to a great start ;)

Ich möchte mich dieser Meinung anschließen und offiziell sagen, dass ich die Übersetzungsarbeit von ZenBuu wirklich sehr schätze. Übersetzen ist im Allgemeinen kein besonders beneidenswerter Job, aber die besondere Sorgfalt, mit der Witze sinngemäß übersetzt werden, verdient großes Lob. Vielen Dank für die harte Arbeit. Ich lese bei der deutschen Version mit, auch wenn ich nicht immer Kommentare hinterlasse.

Videl! No! This is so exciting, but please don't kill our heroes.

@Bunga
It has been a pleasure reading your chapters so far. I truly can't wait to see the finale. Great work so far.

Well spotted. That could really be it.


I must admit, it would be somewhat amusing if Hercule first met his future sister-in-law and, through her, the future mother of Videl. Assuming it is Mr. Satan.

Oh, Tenshinhan hat es geschafft. Allerdings sieht er aus, als würde er gleich den Löffel abgeben. Hätten sie doch nur nicht Chiaotzu alle Senzubohnen zur Verwahrung gegeben. 1 Replie(s)

Also das trifft mich jetzt wirklich. Selten fiebere ich mit OC so sehr mit, und bange um ihre Sicherheit. Physalis ist mir wirklich ans Herz gewachsen. Zumindest konnte sie sich verabschieden. Future Trunks hatte diese Chance in der Cell-Arc nicht.

Ich frage mich wie Vegeta da lebend wieder raus kommt.

Das klingt einleuchtend. Du hast mich überzeugt.

Ah, das ist bisher so erfrischend. Ich habe mich immer gefragt, wie die Landschaft von Dai Kaio's Reich aussieht. Wir haben immer nur gesehen, wie die auserwählten Kämpfer mit ihrem jeweiligen Kaio trainieren oder das "Other World" Turnier. Bis jetzt gefällt es mir gut.

Sie sollten am Besten alle nach Hause fliegen, sonst bleibt der Affenboss am Ende allein.

This could explain why Salagir recently asked readers which Piccolo they thought was killed by Son Bra in the MR arc, and when. Probably so he could insert the apparently correct Piccolo in panel 3.

Vielleicht interpretiere ich zu viel hinein, aber was wäre, wenn Thorns Abschied auf dem Cover auch im Special praktisch dasselbe bedeutet? Das würde heißen, entweder stirbt Thorn in diesem Kapitel oder er verlässt Gast auf seiner Abenteuerreise und kehrt zu seinem Heimatplaneten zurück. Wir werden sehen. Hoffentlich stirbt der junge Alcmenianer nicht wirklich, aber die üblichen Storybeats könnten das in diesem Fall durchaus möglich machen.

Oh, I really like how all four Gast Cell-Arc Specials are basically reviews of Earth from a tourist's perspective. Good at first, but steadily getting worse. Haha. I really hope Thorn doesn't die in this chapter.

I don't want to coerce the discussion to stop. However, I should mention that there is no in-universe reason why Son Bra has a inconsistent appearance in the original vision on page 732. There is no twist. It is quite frankly just a mistake on the part of the creators. 1 Replie(s)

Oh wow, das ist ja ein total süßer Name und die Skizze ist der absolute Hammer. Danke fürs Teilen. :)

Sie dachten ernsthaft, es würde ein Spaziergang im Park werden.

Die Seite wirkt, als würde man sich von Gohan/Nasu verabschieden. Ich befürchte er wird es nicht überleben.

Ah, eine Terminator Referenz. Dann verstehe ich die vorherige Seite und warum ein Polizist absichtlich alles in die Luft jagen würde, während einer Verfolgungsjagd.

Er sollte nicht vor einer Frau wie ein Weichei rüberkommen. Wenn das wirklich die 2 Figuren sein sollen, von dem alle ausgehen, dann frage ich mich wie diese sensible Art beim Typen später quasi ganz verloren geht.

Normalerweise landen solche riesigen und modifizierten Raumkapseln nicht an den Stützpunkten der Frostdämonen. Vegeta kann von Glück reden keine Bruchlandung hingelegt zu haben. 1 Replie(s)

Ganz ehrlich, ich finde die vorherige Mini Comic Seite besser. 2 Replie(s)

Der ist sowas von Tod. Er weiß es bloß noch nicht. 1 Replie(s)

Ich weiß, es ist ein Mini-Comic, also nur zum Spaß. Aber mein innerer Erbsenzähler fragt sich, warum Piccolo sich frei bewegen kann, obwohl die Blase nur seinen Kopf umschließt. Wenn er die Blase vergrößern würde, damit er sich wirklich mit seinem ganzen Körper bewegen kann, wie es zu Beginn des Kapitels etabliert wurde, wäre der Radius der Blase groß genug, um Vegeta sozusagen aufzutauen, weil er nah genug an seinem Kopf wäre. Okay, ich übertreibe es. Natürlich. Ich wollte es trotzdem erwähnen.


Ich bin froh, dass der Youtube-Algorithmus mir das bisher nicht gezeigt hat. Aber ich habs angeklickt .... nein!

Ganz ruhig. Es ist nur ein Comic. Kein Grund emotional zu werden. 2 Replie(s)

Did the driver just commit suicide? Why is he driving into a 90-degree curve at such a crazy speed? Even if the goal was to run him over, what did he intend to do to avoid colliding with the trees? LoL

Ja, Flugbegleiterinnen sehen immer super süß aus. :) 1 Replie(s)

Ich gebe zu, ich habe vergessen, dass der Affe im Deutschen Bananas heißt.

I have to specifically mention that I love the addition in the first panel. We actually see the scene of Vegetto trampling on Bardock's and Cold's heads on the screen in the control room. This conveys even better the feeling that this Vargas is completely losing his mind. In the black-and-white version, the screen is blank. Excellent addition by the colorists. Thank you.


Interesting thought. I would argue that it doesn't sound too far-fetched that a lot of time passes between the fights. I would have to study the comic and the novelization more closely in this regard for future discussions. However, in the U12 Special featuring Trunks joining the tournament, it is mentioned on two pages that a lot of time passes before all the tournament participants (since U12 Trunks) arrive. Even though the double special was not written by Salagir, he approved it. So it is definitely part of the comic continuity.

Eine wirklich wunderbare Seite. So oft wie wir es als Zuschauer auch zu sehen bekommen, werde ich es nie müde Vegeta verlieren zu sehen. Und der Gesichtsausdruck hier ist sehr beeindruckend gezeichnet.

Das ist alles sehr gut gezeichnet. Bin sehr gut unterhalten bisher. Gespannt wie sich Bell gegen die Anführer schlagen wird. Die Fußsoldaten sind keine wirkliche Herausforderung.

Schwer nachvollziehbar was man sich dabei gedacht hat Trunks mit Mai zu verkuppeln, anstatt eine komplett neue weibliche Figur auszudenken.

Ein Argument wäre, damit es in beiden Timelines Trunks und seiner potentielle Loveinterest ermöglicht, sich zu verlieben. Hätte man problemlos mit einem neuen Charakter auch machen können.

Stellt euch vor, damals in der Buu-Arc von DBZ, hätte man nicht Videl (als neue Figur) eingeführt, sondern, stattdessen ein bekanntes, aber vergessenes Gesicht neu aufgegriffen. Nehmen wie mal an, Lunch wäre wieder aufgetaucht und man hätte es so hingebogen, dass sie mit Gohan verkuppelt wird. Klingt merkwürdig? Genau so wirkt das mit Mai und Future Trunks. Da kann man nur den Kopf schütteln. 1 Replie(s)

I miss Shokaki.

There will never be a day when I approve of the pairing of Trunks and Mai. It just gives me goosebumps. The kind that send a chill down your spine. Chichi and Yamcha were strange, and this is strange too.


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Ich bin wirklich fasziniert von den vielen originellen Außerirdischen, die als Fußsoldaten in Coolers Armee dienen. Das zeigt, mit wie viel Kreativität Sayazur bei der Sache ist.

Wie man auf solche Witze kommt, einfach genial. Das trifft wirklich meinen Humor. xD

Hopefully Piccolo won't take any photos of Son Bra with Roman Salute. Otherwise she'll be canceled. xD



You know there are two mini-comic pages coming up. And it's pretty obvious that Son Bra will be made fun of on the second page.

Es war die Blume, die den entscheidenden Unterschied ausmachte, die Geschichte voranzutreiben. Das erinnert mich irgendwie an die Schweine in in der Flashback Szene von Attack on Titan. lol

Hat er gerade eine Art Turbo abgefeuert, nur um vor der Kurve trotzdem abzubremsen? Dominic Toretto wäre stolz xD

Ich glaube die Antwort lautet Ja. xD

Echt super Twist mit XXI's Zauberspruch. Und auch so clever, allerdings funktioniert das nur einmal als Überraschungseffekt.

Son Bra hingegen benimmt sich wie ein Elefant im Porzellanladen. Kein Wunder, dass sie so eine Göre ist, wenn ihr Vater überhaupt nicht reagiert, obwohl sie ihn mehrmals hintereinander beleidigt.

Panel 5 sticht wirklich positiv hervor. Vegettos blasses Gesicht passt perfekt in den Kontext. Er kann nicht fassen, was er hört.

Are you serious? This was one of the fundamental early scenes that showed that U16 Vegetto is not the beacon of good that everyone always thought he was. It was often pointed out that something was brewing in Vegetto, ominous or not. But here we actually saw for the first time that something was wrong with this character. Something must have happened in the 20 years after the Buu arc in U16.

Is this perhaps an attempt by people who dislike Vegetto's role in DBM to retroactively downplay the hints that he is explosive and has a god complex? I can only agree with ZenBuu, it's so clear to see how Vegetto tramples on Cold's and Bardock's heads. 1 Replie(s)

Für so einen Spruch sollte es eigentlich sofort eine Erziehungsschelle geben. DBM hat wirklich früh gezeigt, was für eine verrückte Beziehung Vater und Tochter führen. Vielleicht ist das eben auch kulturelle Differenzen, aber eigentlich sollte sowas garnicht passieren, das ein Kind so respektlos den Vater anredet.

Oh, ich sehe unterschiede zwischen der deutschen und englischen Version. Kleiner Fehler in der Veröffentlichung? Bardock und Cold haben kleine, aber sichtbaren Kampfschäden in Form von Prellungen und Schürfwunden.

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Goku with some inspiring words at the end. That's how it should be. They now have a goal in mind.

That's my opinion too. If there was an official and fair fight between NSSJ Vegeta and Mystic Gohan, Vegeta would win, of course. Not because he is stronger. No. But because he is the better fighter. For some reason, too many people think that NSSJ is actually a new transformation that brings a huge increase in power, like SSJ1 compared to Base Form, SSJ2 compared to SSJ1, etc. That's not the case. NSSJ reduces energy consumption so much that you can hypothetically utilize the wasted energy in NSSJ. Ergo, if SSJ3 is the maximum for Vegeta, then NSSJ is Vegeta's SSJ3 + a little bit extra. In terms of power level, NSSJ is not that extraordinary.


I seriously expected to see the term “character assassination” at least three times in your comment.


Let me put it this way. Sure, the situation surrounding the Piccolo-Vegeta-SonBra-Vision seems forced. I think everyone agrees on that. The question is rather whether it fits the characters or not. Should they act like this at this particular moment? No, definitely not. But I completely believe that this does not work against their personality and character development. In my opinion, everything plays out within the realm of plausibility.


I agree. That is indeed the perfect description for U16 Vegetto. And unfortunately, that is the problem for most DBM readers. They don't want that. Similar to Vegeta here, some people want Vegetto to always be perfect and infallible.


That sentence shows that you're not following my train of thought. (Which is fine, but displays our different understanding of the matter)

It's not about the grand moments. On the contrary, it's precisely the small scenes where he's only visible for one panel and sometimes just standing in the background. That cumulatively shows how the author feels about Vegeta, in contrast to Goku or Piccolo or Gohan, for example. Because let's not pretend that Goku's, Piccolo's, and Gohan's arcs weren't also finished in DBZ.

Let me give you one of dozens of examples. Page 1336. Vegeta holds Bra in his arms to physically support her and provide her with at least some mental comfort against Hatchiyack's scream.

Many would now think that's logical and natural to do. Exactly. Salagir could have just depicted Vegeta and Goku in this panel. And Bra could have been standing next to Trunks or something instead. But the author went to the extra trouble of explicitly showing Bra in Vegeta's arms in this scene. (Which is a net-positive for Vegeta's Character)

And that's exactly what runs through the entire comic (with a few minor exceptions, which I already mentioned in my previous comment). No one else in DBM gets this kind of portrayal, neither Salagir's OCs in general nor the OP characters like Vegetto, ZenBuu, or Gast. And I'm talking in proportion to screen time, because of course Vegetto & Co. have more screen time than Vegeta.

Furthermore, look at Vegeta throughout the entire DBM spectrum. No character is prominently featured in so many universes. And plays different roles. U3 Vegeta, U7 Vegeta (which will definitely come in Special), U10 Vegeta, U13 Vegeta, and of course U18 Vegeta. Sure, Broly also appears often, but except in U3, he always plays the same role.

What I'm getting at is this: Vegeta is treated very favorably by the author in the plot, unlike in other DB fan stories. Whether Son Bra deserves the same treatment is completely irrelevant to my argument. The point is that the author always tries to portray both characters (whether credible and well-implemented or not) in a good light. On today's page, we see one of Vegeta's very, very rare character flaws in DBM. But it fits his personality. I don't understand the huge drama surrounding it. Because, as I said before, it feels like some people (not you, just in general) get mad when post-EoZ Vegeta is shown with a character flaw.


I simply disagree. I think DBM does a good job of highlighting the cultural differences between humans and Saiyans, even if it's incidental. Why am I mentioning this? It plays a big role in why Vegeta shot at Gohan and how both Goku and Vegeta behaved. For true Saiyans, displaying power is something that comes naturally. Goku and Vegeta know that Gohan is the strongest. They both know that Gohan can block the attack with absolute ease. They both know with absolute certainty that no one will be hurt. That's why I would argue that a true Saiyan wouldn't think twice about whether it's appropriate to do something like that. Goku and Vegeta live on Earth, but that doesn't mean they are Earthlings by nature. One could argue that they have learned to behave “humanly” in their environment. But this one instinct, what is in their genes, cannot be ignored or completely conditioned. That's why we have thousands of stories (even post-EoZ) where Vegeta and Goku sometimes behave socially awkwardly, even though they have integrated (or are trying to).


Here, I would say the same thing I said to Roos.

Additionally, I've never been a fan of the idea that a character can only be portrayed positively if they “win” or are the “strongest.” DBM Freeza is an excellent example. DBM portrayed Freeza exactly as he was in the canon and filler. Mecha-Freeza is ridiculously turned into kebab by Future Trunks in seconds. Fusion Reborn Movie Freeza is torn to shreds by Mystic Gohan with one punch. And GT Freeza is made a fool of by Goku. DBM follows the template, plain and simple. What am I getting at? Although Freeza is overshadowed by many other people in DBM, especially in terms of power level, a lot of attention is paid to the background of Freeza's race (by implementing his brother and the augmentation form, etc). I have never seen such a detailed portrayal of Freeza's race, either in canon or in fan fiction. Sometimes there's a Time Patrol Freeza race here, sometimes another lost Freeza brother there. But with the extent to which DBM has created an entire family tree for Freeza, giving virtually every single family member a lot of personality and each one a plot, etc. I've never seen anything like it. And I highly doubt that someone who has no respect for Frieza would go to such lengths.

Here I'm going to make a connection to Vegeta. You don't always have to portray a character as the most likable, the strongest, or the central focus of the plot in order to give them preferential treatment.


I'm not comparing Vegeta and Son Bra's characters, but rather how the author wants to portray them in a positive light. 2 Replie(s)

You seem to be placing a lot of importance on this one statement by U18 Gohan. So much so that it fundamentally shakes the entire framework of the personalities of three characters.

I'm not entirely sure, but I'm guessing Salagir wanted to indirectly refer to page 1811 and page 1812 here. Gohan wanted to subtly remind Vegeta what would happen if he ever threatened or endangered anyone in his family. But because they are in a really bad situation right now, Gohan leaves it at a snide comment. Personally, I would have phrased the escalation leading to the Piccolo-Vegeta-SonBra vision differently. However, I don't see any break in personality in any of them. I fear that some people simply have a romanticized vision of how characters should appear to them. Vegeta can still freak out when the right buttons are pushed.


You're speaking from my heart here.

I've noticed for a long time how DBM almost always portrays (Post-EoZ) Vegeta in the best possible light. As if he were perfect. As if there was a Vegeta-fanboy behind Salagir, threatening him with a gun if Vegeta isn't portrayed as perfectly as possible. People argue that the author bend over to make Son Bra look better, but no one talks about how the same author does exactly the same thing to Vegeta (in 95% of his scenes).


So, I have to refute a misconception that has been perpetuated for a long time.

Vegeta did not target Pan. It was not Vegeta's intention to hurt Pan personally. Vegeta aimed at the door of the HTC. And if anyone was in the line of fire, it was Gohan, because Vegeta wanted Gohan to block the attack. Please stop pretending that Vegeta wanted to hurt Pan in this scene. If anything, it was all just an unintended side effect. (Oh, and Uub was standing next to Gohan and Pan too, just a reminder. For those people who believe Vegeta wanted to kill Pan and Pan alone).


Ever heard of Saiyans, hehe.
No, seriously. Of all the people present, Son Bra and Vegeta are best qualified to escalate a situation rather than calm it down. And unfortunately, that's exactly what's needed right now to fulfill the vision. (Personally, I would have written a different scenario.) 3 Replie(s)

You shouldn't read too much into Gohan's statement. U16 Gohan explains it to Son Bra, and she doubts the explanation. So U18 Gohan explains it to her in a way she would understand.



U16 Gohan: "Vegeta won't hurt Videl."
Son Bra: "I don't understand."
U18 Gohan: "I'm stronger than Vegeta."
Son Bra: "Now I understand." 3 Replie(s)

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