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If this goes on I'll have to go to level two... I can't let that happen!

She left the ring!

Should I follow her?...

She's behind the stadium...

Exactly!

There's nobody out there. How did she...?

She and Vegetto mastered the Kaioshins' teleportation technique, they can go anywhere.

Pffu!!

Fuck this...
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2014-05-07 01:33:36

Elbadj

Is it just me or does Goku always seem to be striking that pose?

@League

>What are the chances he just slices right through the arena while she thinks she's cleverly hidden for a win?

Neat idea! I think that would be interpreted as deliberately attacking the audience though (where for now he escapes on the "non-intentional" clause.

@Bra argument

I surely can't be the only person here who realises that Bra is meant, and written to be, a dislike able character...
2014-05-07 01:57:36

barcelona276

megabossman she did not cheat!bra is not touching the ground and she just throwing off her weight cloths sheeze
2014-05-07 02:21:58

Skar

@Dialga and Palkia, Time and Space
>Hey, I put the flame bait warning because it would stop true DBZ debaters while drawing out the fanboys
I'm pretty sure giving a "flame bait" warning will discourage most people in general from replying =P. You don't see a troll reveal that he's going to troll you beforehand. Some people may give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he's misinformed but if he's revealing his true intentions then I don't think anyone is really going to give a serious response.

@Dialga and Palkia, Time and Space
>@Bra flame war
>I suppose my own attempt to fan the flames was not needed, all of you just set upon each other without my help
Out of curiosity have you changed your username recently?

@Emperor Taku
>Emperor Taku has a lil story to tell ya.
Another Tenacious D fan =D!!

@Guy
>The reality of the situation is this. Bra haters are in the SEVERE minority and cannot express themselves in an educated or rational manner. This cannot be refuted as they have shown with how they casually make baseless remarks such as "She's a Mary Sue" even after their far more educated, and non-hating peers, explain how she isn't one in great detail. Yet they ignore it and go "Well, she's still a Mary Sue"! That in of itself is extremely pathetic because they refuse to believe in anything but their own blind hatred for a fictional character.
I agree with you there. In all my years on the internet I've learned that not many people are interested in a debate. A debate is a discussion between two or more people sharing their opinions and viewpoints. I believe the goal of a debate is to try to come to a logical conclusion which requires both parties to consider what the other side is saying. Most of the time I've noticed people just want to state their opinions and ignore yours if they don't agree with it. If you use any evidence or logic to refute theirs they'll just ignore it and move on to argue with someone else or give you some excuse why don't want to talk anymore which makes you wonder why they brought it up in the first place. My advice is don't bother and just skip over their comments.

By the way I'm not even a fan of Bra. I don't hate her just don't like her much either. It is annoying when people hate her for something other characters do or label her something when she doesn't fit the definition. In my list of least favorite DBM characters she might be in the top ten but she really hasn't done anything to make her the most hated. Babidi, Fat Buu, and Bojack are probably my least three favorite.
2014-05-07 02:29:24

catlovesfood

@super bald monk thank you. I tried to be rational and give my personal reasons why I don't like u16 in general, but the bra fanboys got all up in my grill anyway. I'm willing to say eleim using the z cutter was a dick move because it puts the audience at risk. but no, bra is obnoxious and she does get more focus than what is due.
@slixer you accused me of saying that bra should die. I never said that. i made one older comment saying that she'll be cut in half once she comes back to the ring but I was joking. i knew that won't happen.
maybe he'll try to swipe at her to knock her to the ground outside the ring. she's only a few inches from the ground and she isn't in front of the stands. a good clean fake out should do it.
@bhall and what is this "universe 16 text" do you mean that one page in the faq?
2014-05-07 02:58:34

Dialga and Palkia, Time and Space

@Skar
Why yes, yes I have. I used to be Anti-Spiral. I pick people who can shit stomp DBZ to draw out stupid fanboys

Even with that flamebait warning, I still got two blind fanboys reeled in. So you see, I simply keep away the intelligence while letting fools bite the hook
2014-05-07 04:10:58

Veya

@Elbadj
>I surely can't be the only person here who realises that Bra is meant, and written to be, a dislike able character...
I... genuinelly don't see it, sure she isn't the most charismatic character in the world, but she isn't that bad either, I admit that I have sort of a predisposition to like female characters in general, but still, she is certainly more likeable than murderous characters such as Cell, Bojack and Freeza, yet even those have their fans.

@Skar
> <Entire post to Guy>
Thank you, I wish there were more people with that line of thought in the internet sometimes...

@Bra discussion
See, I started talking about it simply because I thought people were going a wee bit overboard when talking about Bra, essentially going "I hope that she gets brutally killed in the most goreful death in the tournament since U8 Salza!" when even Salza's death surprised me, that's just a huge step from simply "I want her to lose this battle!".
2014-05-07 04:49:26

Arcane Super Saiyan

Lookie I can still yellow! I feel so important.

@Veya
>I don't even know how I did it, I just spoke what I was thinking and it started from there, I supose I have some serious Unwitting Instigator of Doom traits without realizing...
Don't worry. It's more likely that I'm the one that started it. No regrets here though, that's for sure.

@Skar
>Most of the time I've noticed people just want to state their opinions and ignore yours if they don't agree with it. If you use any evidence or logic to refute theirs they'll just ignore it and move on to argue with someone else or give you some excuse why don't want to talk anymore which makes you wonder why they brought it up in the first place.
Sounds just like a certain badass I know.

>By the way I'm not even a fan of Bra. I don't hate her just don't like her much either. It is annoying when people hate her for something other characters do or label her something when she doesn't fit the definition
^ This. If there was a like button, I'd press the fuck out of it.

> In my list of least favorite DBM characters she might be in the top ten but she really hasn't done anything to make her the most hated. Babidi, Fat Buu, and Bojack are probably my least three favorite.
Bojack I can understand. He's possibly the most meh main movie villain DBZ has and there's a lot of em. Babidi I can understand too, but I loved his FUNimation voice so I dig the little bastard. But Fat Buu? Why you hate Buu, man? If you not careful he gonna make you dead.

@Elbadj
>Is it just me or does Goku always seem to be striking that pose?
Well, it IS a very Goku-y pose xD

>I surely can't be the only person here who realises that Bra is meant, and written to be, a dislike able character...
I don't really know if she's intended to be unlikeable. She is however, pretty realistically written in my opinion. She's exactly how I'd imagine Vegetto's daughter being. I don't think that anyone with her origin and upbringing would have ended up much differently than she has. That said, I'm definitely not a big fan of hers. She is very reminiscent of Trunks in the Buu saga and he's my least favorite Saiyan character. The thing is, I see potential in Bra while I already know Trunks never amounted to much of anything as a character. So though I'm not a fan of her now, I AM interested in where she can go from here. I think it's stupid to just want her to drop off the face of DBM and give the spotlight to someone with far less potential like Eleim instead. Although, I would like it if at least ONE of Salagir's OC groups amounted to something other than being complete wastes of time.

@Guy
You make good points, but I really think you should refrain from attacking other people's grammar. Yours isn't exactly perfect either and really it just makes you look petty. That said, I agree with most of what you said. The majority of the Bra haters never really give much reason for hating Bra and tend to just spew nonsense. Thing is, it's the cool thing to hate Bra round these parts.

@JL, My Nick, & Guy(again)
Haha. Roketto's cool most of the time, but she can get a bit arrogant and self righteous sometimes. Though it brings a grin to my face to see her called out on it, I'd advise you guys not to take it personally and to not tease her too much when she gets like that. She has very different values from most of us due to something of an unusual upbringing and she doesn't really seem to know how to handle herself emotionally.

@Super Bald Monk (Krillin)
>We simply don't like her for having no character development for her since she was introduced.
Oh. Is that why so many of you adore Eleim then?

And what if I told you that her character is being developed as we speak? What if she's being built up so that she can be broken down? I think it's stupid to write her off as a flat character from where we are in the story. Yeah DBM has been running for a long time, but how much of the story has really been covered? The thing is, like her now or not, the character has potential in the long run.
2014-05-07 05:19:38

Raza

@Bra lovers
especially @Guy
As a Bra hater, I can tell you that I hate her character only because it has not been developed much at all. I don't mind her for being a girl who swears (though her constant disrespect of others really annoys me), nor do I mind that she and Vegetto are insanely powerful. Hell, I read all of the novelizations on this site, and I love Vegetto's character because he's being developed kind of like Ryu in Street Fighter. You know, where he loves fighting so much (and for Vegetto, he has no opponents of his level) that he's slowly going insane from battle lust. Bra, on the other hand, has really only shown herself to be ungrateful and condescending. She thinks she's superior to everyone else. If that was one aspect of her character (like it was for Vegeta, Frieza, the Androids, and Cell), then I would be fine because there is more to their personalities and desires than that. However, she has displayed no personality traits other than these two. In fact, she seems to want to gloss over any of her mistakes without learning from them at all, which is something Vegeta (in DBM) has overcome.

However, like I said before on this page, I really like her decision here. She is finally displaying some intelligence in her fight, not brute uncontrolled force. If, as ArcaneSuperSaiyan says, she is finally being developed right now, I would welcome it. I would no longer see her character as a caricature, but as an actual person, which I can decide to love or hate while still enjoying (like I do with Frieza). Until she experiences some development, however, she will continue to be the weakest link of DBM (this wonderful, wonderful webcomic).

Plus, Bra's obviously not a Mary Sue.

And Guy, she is the least-developed character who's had significant screen time. Negligible character development isn't much to laud. If you watch the Walking Dead or Game of Thrones, here are some examples: Lori (badly developed) vs Carol (well-developed). Or Margaery (well-developed) vs... I can't think of anyone who's badly developed in Game of Thrones.
Was that eloquent enough for you Guy?


@Bhaal
You can leave the arena for less than 30 seconds. Remember Vegetto and Broly's fight. Or Vegetto and XXI's fight. The rules are on the cover of Chp. 4, btw.
2014-05-07 05:47:08

Emperor Taku

LOL!!! Skar got it!
2014-05-07 06:48:57

Emperor Taku

@ The Whole Bra Conversation

Holy Hell, are you guys talking about character development now? Why the hell does it matter?! You want someone to give you apple juice because you can "talk"? Good or Bad, hell you didn't write her into the story so you shouldn't have an opinion, but you do (Ungrateful people annoy the hell out of me).

Her Abilities: How else the hell you thought she learned them!? Vegito taught them to her and probably Pan too since they are the only ones to actually train with him. Goten and Trunks stopped and Gohan just doesn't. Who else we have left to train with Vegito? "HIS" only daughter and Dead Pan. I could go further into this but for some reason I want to see the responses to this.

Her Attitude and Cursing: This ain't the TV show or Original Manga, so get over yourself. Don't like it? Go rub one out til you do. Douche Bag.
2014-05-07 07:57:54

doctor killjoy

@roketto & super bald monk
I am now picturing piccolo stretching his neck to shout people in the face with DODGE! Or correcting something wrong they said.

@the bra debate
Just deal with it people, some people hate her, some dislike her, others find her tolerable and others like her. You can't please everyone.

@anti-spiral/pokemon guy
Hehe I had a feeling it was you.
Who's your next character?
2014-05-07 09:41:16

brandonking

lol talking about bra's character development and other facts of the one character seriously guys we all know why she turned out like this and if you really don't get my point watch GT the original bra is also disrespectful so i say subject invalid bra is who she is because how she was raised se is a princess and in real live/most animes princesses are disrespect full. i aint a big fan of her attitude myself but i don't go hating her for how she acts look at the part where pan died she had enough respect to keep her fist in check because gohan ask her too she even tried to hold back against Zanya so yeah this discussion is invalid and a waste of time.
2014-05-07 10:36:11

SaiyanElite

Sooo... she just left the ring like that, and... it's legal? Omg.
2014-05-07 11:16:33

Bartek

Damn in DBMA they're stuck with Chilled vs Aka battle, when are they gonna show more of Future Gohan universe? How fast are they updating? While DBM is better artwise than DBMA, DBMA is better story wise

@doctor killjoy

1.Yes but, she's non-official version of the canon character! That's like hating Pan becuase of her GT self. What's next, people hating on my version of Bardock and Tullece becuase they became pussies as good guys?
2.No one can beat my female eeveelutions and my male Entei

@Emperor Taku

But in the Dragon Ball manga they curse as well

@SuperVegitto

He's name was Eleim (LOL Miele hahahaha)

It seems TaoPaiPai don't know how to draw the sexy scars known as "belly buttons"

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-787.html or maybe he knows
2014-05-07 12:45:23

Elbadj

@Skar

>In all my years on the internet I've learned that not many people are interested in a debate

As it is in life xD

@Veya

>I... genuinelly don't see it, sure she isn't the most charismatic character in the world, but she isn't that bad either, I admit that I have sort of a predisposition to like female characters in general, but still, she is certainly more likeable than murderous characters such as Cell, Bojack and Freeza, yet even those have their fans.

Oh sure, everyone has their own likes and dislikes, for a variety of reasons (I think Cell is badly done character and a waste of potential, but I'm sure others would argue otherwise). But one of the common complaints that I seem to see is that people say she's a poorly written character because she's an insufferable, arrogant, teenage brat... without twigging that she is written to be an insufferable, arrogant, teenage brat and that finding her as such is an indication that she is written well (at least to the point that the intended effect she's meant to have comes across).

@Arcane

>Well, it IS a very Goku-y pose xD

Lol, true! He always seems to know when the camera is on to strike it.

>I don't really know if she's intended to be unlikeable. She is however, pretty realistically written in my opinion. She's exactly how I'd imagine Vegetto's daughter being. I don't think that anyone with her origin and upbringing would have ended up much differently than she has. That said, I'm definitely not a big fan of hers. She is very reminiscent of Trunks in the Buu saga and he's my least favorite Saiyan character. The thing is, I see potential in Bra while I already know Trunks never amounted to much of anything as a character. So though I'm not a fan of her now, I AM interested in where she can go from here. I think it's stupid to just want her to drop off the face of DBM and give the spotlight to someone with far less potential like Eleim instead. Although, I would like it if at least ONE of Salagir's OC groups amounted to something other than being complete wastes of time.

I'd agree with all of that - she's exactly what the product of her upbringing would be (which is why I don't get when people say she's poorly written for that reason). That's what I mean by she's intended to be dislikeable; she's written in a manner that will rub people up the wrong way (especially with her comments towards U18). She's got a fairly obvious story arc behind her - at some point the rug will be pulled out and that'll teach her a lesson in humility.

Well, I'd disagree and say that the Heliots as a whole have had some character development - they have a sense of morality (difficulty killing 16; apologizing to Buu) but they are also ruthless and single-minded (the only way Eleim can beat Bra is by either killing, or mortally incapacitating her - hence he goes for kill-shots). They obviously need the Dragon Balls quite badly, or else they would have dropped out of the tournament (they know they're outmatched but they're still here). And they're clever enough to create technological armours that turn ordinary humans into SSJ2 tier fighters. Even if they do get eliminated that's not going to stop them from trying to acquire the Dragon Balls (who knows maybe U8 and U19 will join forces?)

The OCs may not be in the spot-light now, but it did take until about page 500 for the first indications of the plot to arrive. Trust me, by the end of this every universe (with the possible exception of L'Kl and obviously those that have already gone home) will play a significant role for good or bad.

@Doctor Killjoy

Random question, but have you read the end of Rosario+Vampire?
2014-05-07 13:56:07

DeathSaiyan

@Dialga and Palkia, Time and Space

Rhydon technically came first, he was the first Pokemon to ever be given a design and name. That was the trick to it. XD
2014-05-07 14:41:51

doctor killjoy

@elbadj
Yes I have read the end. With outer moka basically leaving for space with alucard.
Rather disappointing ending.
2014-05-07 14:47:58

Super Bald Monk (Krillin)

@arguement
Hey, I'm all open for character development, maybe I'm just getting impatient waiting to see a good bunch of it. Anyway, Bra is not one of my favorites, but compared to someone like Bojack, (and his special (shivers)) she's much much better. As for Pan, awesome girl, I like every version of it, which is why I can rationalize Zangya's death via Bra.
Well, for now, I look forward to the next page and seeing whether the techs or the muscles win. I just hope for a good fight. If Eliem wins, then there will be many shuts of joy and hatred. Same can be said if Bra wins. So far it's been a good match. After all, without it we couldn't have seen the black knight disarmed, moon instant teleportation, ad the truly most dangerous weapon seen so far: that blade.

@Dr. killjoy
(Stretches neck) All right students, keep working, or I will make sure you get extra boot cam training. (Sees a snoring student) Dodge! *wham!* No falling asleep or the super giraffe fist will be used.
2014-05-07 15:07:16

Vegetto the Badass

So apparently having an opinion on a character such as Bra (who has yet to show any redeeming qualities) makes you uneducated?
2014-05-07 15:14:25

Vegetto the Badass

@Arcane
During the last few pages, my opinion on Bra has somewhat changed. I no longer think that she is a Mary Sue, (Mary Sues would not struggle with gravity) I stand corrected on that statement, I now just think that she is meant to be an unlikeable character. She isn't my cup of tea. I am respectfully responding to you as if our "online scuffle" never happened so please don't take this as hostility.
2014-05-07 15:24:30

Kahn

@Super Bald Monk
You have a point sir. I admire your attitude on all of this. You are clearly more easygoing and grateful than I claim to be.

@Vegetto the Bada**
No, of course not! It's just a taunt that keeps you from making fun of a character! Bra is far from my favorite in this tournament, but I didn't get into high school for nothing. Clearly, we have a superstition on our hands...
2014-05-07 15:33:08

Skar

@Dialga and Palkia, Time and Space
>Why yes, yes I have. I used to be Anti-Spiral. I pick people who can shit stomp DBZ to draw out stupid fanboys
>Even with that flamebait warning, I still got two blind fanboys reeled in. So you see, I simply keep away the intelligence while letting fools bite the hook
I see well that explains some of your earlier comments.

@Arcane
>Bojack I can understand. He's possibly the most meh main movie villain DBZ has and there's a lot of em. Babidi I can understand too, but I loved his FUNimation voice so I dig the little bastard. But Fat Buu? Why you hate Buu, man? If you not careful he gonna make you dead.
I don't know I like all other forms of Buu but I really hate Fat Buu for some reason. Maybe it's his Funimation voice and when he kept yelling "ME EAT YOU UP!!" I hope he gets a voice change in DBZ Kai or since there's less filler he won't be using that line as long as he did in the original.

>She is very reminiscent of Trunks in the Buu saga and he's my least favorite Saiyan character.
I noticed that too. They were both spoiled and never had to face any hardship or threats in their lives. They both also looked at Gohan as an older brother and thought their dads were the strongest in the universe. One difference is that Bra's dad is by far the strongest in their universe while Trunks learned that there were people out there stronger than Vegeta. Plus Bra made it all the way to her teenage years without any threats in her universe while Trunks experienced the Buu saga at eight years old. Maybe if Trunks never went through all that he may have ended up as spoiled as Bra by the time he turned 16. I think if Bra ended up being the daughter of Chi Chi and raised in her house she would have ended up more like Goten.

@Emperor Taku
>LOL!!! Skar got it!
We should go a Tenacious quest together my friend.
Long time ago me and my brother Taku here,
we was hitchhikin' down a long and lonesome road.
All of a sudden, there shined a shiny pink demon... in the middle... of the road.

@Elbadj
>As it is in life xD
Yeah that's true but it is harder to ignore someone or pretend you didn't hear them in real life =P.
2014-05-07 16:26:00

Dialga and Palkia, Time and Space

@dr. killjoy
Hmmm, maybe Arceus? Nah, probably something more like Chakravartin
@DeathSaiyan
lol, I get it now
@Arcane
>She has very different values from most of us due to something of an unusual upbringing and she doesn't really seem to know how to handle herself emotionally.

That sounded dangerously close to an attack. Best watch yourself before a mod sees that

@Bra Debate
I actually like Bojack, he was better than that retard Broly. At least Bojack had some awesome minions and had some level of coolness when he powered through getting impaled
2014-05-07 16:55:46

Vegetto the Badass

@Anti Spiral/ Dialga
Arcane is a mod though... just the green alone indicates that

@Guy
I am pretty sure that "You're got" was an honest typo from Roketto. Her grammar and punctuation is otherwise gorgeous. Hell, she even quickly fixed her error. Yours on the other hand makes me cringe...

@Roketto
I am quite appalled by all the targeting and ad homenium some of these posters have aimed at you these last few pages. It really is not necessary so I for one have your back. You're one of the most productive members here, and I will be damned to see these predators get you worked up...don't let these non gravatars or casuals bring you down to your level. I'd give an arm or a leg to have the grace in punctuation that you have.
2014-05-07 16:56:24

jaimehlers

Regarding the whole Bra debate: Most people don't base their like or dislike of someone on rational reasons, they base them on emotional ones. That's human nature, and it affects all of us, even me. I have the same irrational emotional dislike of Frieza that a lot of people here have towards Bra. I see him as a spoiled, petulant child who throws temper tantrums any time things go the least bit wrong for him. But I've realized that the people who like him just see him differently than I do.

As it stands, I don't really have any particular opinion on Bra. I don't especially like or dislike her, because she isn't a particularly developed character. To me, she's pretty forgettable (aside from her power, which is still kind of an 'eh' moment). At the moment, she's just another character to me.
2014-05-07 17:22:55

Dialga and Palkia, Time and Space

@Vegeto
Really? He wasn't green a few pages ago. Even so, it's still not right.

I find it funny how everyone can tell it was me
@jaimehlers
I love Freeza, but he IS spoiled brat. That's the thing, he's supposed to be a pretentious bully and because of that, we love to hate him

With Bra, it's clear that she's supposed to be admired and respected, therefore, we get annoyed
2014-05-07 18:14:51

[Color#F00]TheDrewSaga[\Color]

[Color#F00]
@To people who diskile Bra and made an intelligent argument (such as SuperBaldMonk)
I went rather bold than smart myself when I argued in Bra's favor.
[\Color]
2014-05-07 18:21:49

JL


Okay here, let's even the playing field here:

@Guy (2014-05-06; 20:46:05)

First, you are creating a false dichotomy between Bra haters and Bra lovers: "Bra haters... cannot express themselves in an educated or rational manner.... even after their far more educated, and non-hating peers...."

You make it out as though Bra haters are uneducated and provide no evidence to substantiate this whilst also claiming that Bra lovers are educated, again, with no evidence.

Second, do you have the statistics to back up that they (Bra haters) are in the minority? No? Did you count all the commenters who express dislike for her? No? If that's the case, then please STFU on that point. As for the readers who don't comment, we can't take a sample because we can't/don't know their thoughts on the matter; although a poll could be created, it still might not be completely reflective of the English DBM population (people may choose not vote).

@Guy (2014-05-06; 22:20:59)

"Please, Rockette [sic] spoke no truth and is forever known as "You're got" "

And finally, just because she fucking made an error like that does not justify your pitiful and assholic (a neologism) attempt in shaming her. It's one thing to call someone out on their (his or her, if you prefer) error, and then there's another to be a complete douche about it.

@Arcane Super Saiyan,

".... She has very different values from most of us due to something of an unusual upbringing..."

That's no excuse, especially in regard to her values. It's okay to condescend to people and attack their grammar if I were raised with different values? Fucking sweet! From what she's revealed of herself in her more recent posts, her upbringing isn't that unusual. If I'm wrong about that, then (anyone) feel free to correct me.

@Vegetto the Badass,

Before I get to my first point, let me preface this by saying that I'm not trying to make an argument out of it (first point).

First, you said "productive". I don't think that's the best word. It works, but it hooked my eye, much like Roketto's "on vs. by accident". Second, “predators”, really, people are immediately predators in your book for arguing/attacking Roketto, a person who latches onto other people's grammar? You chose a word with such a high degree of negative connotation to describe their actions instead of choosing a simpler and less divisive word like, oh, I don’t know, assholes? Third and finally, “non gravatars or casuals”, why is that important? Is there something so great about having a gravatar? And what the fuck do you mean by casuals? Again, divisive language “us vs. them” mentality not too dissimilar to Guy’s infantile screes. Also, weren’t you a troll who didn’t get along well with Roketto and now you’re, as they would say on the internet, white-knighting?


No one in this whole fucking stupid "Bra is/is not a Mary Sue" debate has been 100% civil to each other. How about we all just start anew?
2014-05-07 18:54:03

Vegetto the Badass

@JL
Let me start this off by saying that I didn't interpet your response to me as an argument. They are constructive criticisms so as such I will respond back.
I wouldn't go as far as to say I am a white knight of the internet. I have softened up enough to some people here on DBM like Roketto, SaiyanKnight, and Skar that it is more of a notion of comradery.

I have a blue/orange sense of morality which I don't really need to explain. There's a reason that I am no longer trolling DBM, and that is all that counts. I have already completed my initial goal, so now this is the aftermath. I realized that there is indeed a narrative on DBM, and that 500 pages were merely exposition (something I agree with Arcane on). There was no use trolling that any longer. Then I trolled my hatred of Bra and had a major part in the shitstorm we see today. I am one of the forefathers of the Bra Mary Sue argument. However, due to recent events in the story itself I have seen that she is NOT a Mary Sue. No point in beating that dead horse... Thirdly, isn't it much more gratifying to make a few friends on here than to troll? I am a troll, indeed I clearly am, but I am a human being first. I have standards and if people are going to childishly target others on miniscule grammatical errors, then what is the problem with standing up for someone that I have respect for?

When I said the word productive, I meant it as it sounds. Granted it wasn't the best word of choice, but it still gets the point across so is it really necessary to nitpick on my choice of wording, if I am not using it in the wrong context? Even if I was, would it really be that necessary to nitpick at it regardless? Perhaps the word "active" would have been better but I stand by what I said.
2014-05-07 19:01:02

Salaga

Wow, so much Bra discussion.
She isn't even really worth all that.
2014-05-07 19:11:56

Super Gojita 3

@bra conversation

I like the concept of bra, but not nessisarily the execution of it.

Bra is rash, has an ego and does as she pleases. She was born with the potential to be the strongest fighter of the universe in u16. She is vegettos daughter, so of course she's strong.

As for character development, you do realize that dbm isn't finished yet? Chouzu had the least character development, and in the manga never spoke one time to son-goku! Why hasn't this been addressed by any other fans beside mistarefusion on youtube?

as for u16 being the favorite of salagir, uh, didn't u16 lose to XXI? shouldn't XXI's universe be the favorite? XXI>u16 thus far.

I like bra so far because she's like a female vegeta and what bra in universe 18 should have been, on a larger scale. Why can't u18 bra at least train?

Bra, as a character is pretty good.
2014-05-07 19:29:58

guest

>I like bra so far because she's like a female vegeta and what bra in universe 18 should have been, on a larger scale. Why can't u18 bra at least train?

Bra from U18 is actually completely in character. Perhaps Trunks, Goten, Pan, Uub, and (maybe) Bra were supposed to become the new Z-warriors but unless Toriyama decides to do a sequel we will never know. The way I see it this is what could have been if Toriyama didn't end DB/Z when he did:
Trunks = the new "Vegeta"
Goten = the new "Goku"
Pan = the new "Videl / Gohan"
Uub = the new "Kuririn / Tenshinhan"
Bra = the new "Bulma" and maybe a female version of Vegeta
2014-05-07 19:48:23

jaimehlers

D&P: I'm not fond of pretentious bullies, so maybe that's it. I'm sure other people have different reasons for liking Frieza, though. And, for what it's worth, there are plenty of villains I actually respect and do like, even though they're villains. Grineed from Beet the Vandel Buster, Scar from The Lion King, Rubicante from Final Fantasy IV. Even Kefka from Final Fantasy VI is at least worthy of a certain respect for how outrageously insane he is.

I just find it difficult to respect a villain who's not much more than a childish, pretentious bully. Cell and Buu (after he started absorbing people), even Kid Buu, were much better villains in this series in my opinion.
2014-05-11 12:25:06

Luigi1295

Why do they use Instant transmission so much if they mastered the kai's instant movement technique which is far better
2014-09-29 02:19:42

Guy

@JL

Facts are facts, Bra haters are irrational and ignore the evidence so they can blissfully and ignorantly bash a character. Fact is that Bra earned her win here and Eleim is lucky he wasn't booted out of punished severely for his selfish and villainous actions.

I did, it's 99.999% Not Haters vs 00.001% Ignorant and Vocal Haters.

I can because she, like you, proved your ignorance.
2015-03-08 03:38:42

The Magical Space Duck

Looks like Zen Buu got Uub's arm back on.
2015-11-25 01:50:16

DBM Fan :)

sigh the lack of knowledge from the writers here is ridiculous. Kaioshin's ability is only limited to transporting to any planet in the universe. It says so in the Manga and the fuckin anime in the original japanese. THEY CANNOT I REPEAT CANNOT TRANSPORT ANYWHERE. Jesus, when I first read this, when they were using japanese names for the attacks I thought they've seen the japanese versions but its clear they've only done quick internet searches...
2016-05-14 01:53:38

SuperVegerot

People hating on Bra for cursing and using Instantaneous Movement. Hilarious.
2016-10-13 03:57:57

Morango

More sheading of armor! This does not look good for Eliem!
2017-07-26 06:40:02

Multi

Bra using Instant Transmission because of course she can. I wonder if her Pan can as well? Maybe even Videl lol
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