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What happens to Trunks in Dragon Ball Super, after the Black Gokû saga?★ The inexorable distortion ★
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DUDE
Like I explained before, Namekian fusion is inconsistent when it comes to the power level of the resulting fused Namekian. The creators of this comic can make the Super Namek as strong or as weak as they need him to be. Personally, I think that Vegetto is the most powerful, as it's highly likely that he can also reach the 3rd Super Saiyan level, making him insanely powerful. Not far behind is the Super Namekian, followed by Ultra Buu. Of course, I'm not taking Broly into account for this ranking, as, due to his infinitely growing power in this comic, he could potentially be the most powerful.
Joshy
I agree with you on the inconsistency on Namekian fusion.
Also I hope that Vegetto can go SSJ3, since Goku could,...they never really covered how strong he was in DBZ, because he never pushed his power. That would be ridiculous if he could go SSJ3, because he was way stronger in normal form than Goku in SSJ3 and unbelievably stronger while super saiyan. If he could go SSJ3 that would be incredible.
I'm also excited to see what these ultimate fighters (Vegetto, Ultra Buu, Super Namek, Broly) can do as well as the universe of super sayains.
Geno
@ Joshy- Just wanted to make a quick note that Vegeto in base form was not stronger than ssj3 Goku. In the manga he went right to ssj after fusing, which means that his ssj is stronger than ssj3 Goku. Vegeto's normal state is probably right around ssj3 Goku, maybe a little more or a little less.
syrias
if this fight would take place in their world/universe, my believe is that, the second that bojack even TRIES to lay a hand on pan, vegetto would blast him into oblivion, no matter how much stronger this bojack is. no need for gohan to step in. on that note.. if pan dies.. and it is revealed that the main villian prevents all people from being revived(by taking all the DBs or destroying them)... i wouldnt want to be any kind of weak but scheming main villian in that case.. i mean...
pissed off ultra cell (since he will probably survive til the main guy comes around)?
really pissed of vegetto in his highest transformation (ssj2, probably)?
two mystic gohans fusing?
2 piccolos fusing with the super namek?
ultimate buu (if he deems the main guy a worthy "absorbee")?
thats a group i wouldnt want to stand against, unless im pretty sure i possess more raw POWER (instead of intellect) to take them.
@DUDE & Joshy i completely disagree with ypur assumption the inconsistency of namek fusion in the original manga. piccolo fusing with nail is 1 half of a namek fusing with a full namek. piccolo(nailizised) then fuses with kami. but that last fusion isnt a real namek fusion.. its completing a broken in half namek (note: one half isnt even the original anymore, but mucch stronger).
so while the normal fusion might for instance add up powers with just a little boost due to both bodys and minds fusing aswell and as such maybe comepleting something like a understanding of the power in the now fused mind (easier: nail knows something about power and how it functions. piccolo too. combined that adds up and unlocks even more knowledge).
the "fusion" with kami mostlikely had an effect on piccolo that can be likened to "unlocking gohans potential". piccolo always kinda had the power he then used against #17.. but he couldnt use it, due to him not realizing the ways to use the power... until kami tagged along and made him complete again, maybe calmed stuff in his mind down that was in chaos since way back when the nameless namek split up (since i seem to remember that king piccolo actually only was super duper evil (instead of mere evil) because he felt rejected (which was correct)and was jailed in a jar for a millenium or two).
in conclusion.. there is no incosistency (imo), since the two "fusions" work really different.
DUDE
I believe that Piccolo's fusion with Kami was of the same nature as Piccolo's fusion with Nail. Now you may say that Piccolo Jr and Kami were once the same person, but this is false. Piccolo Jr's father was the one who once was one with Kami.
Besides, on Namek, Guru said that if Kami and Piccolo (King Piccolo) fused, they would be able to easily beat Frieza. That's much more of an increase than piccolo and Kami actually got when they did fuse in the Artificial Human saga. Akira simply needed Piccolo to equal Cyborg 17 for plot purposes, and replaced the power boost that Guru had described on Namek with a much smaller one.
DUDE
Rage, I realize that I am flooding, but something went wrong with my Internet connexion, and I couldn't edit my post anymore.
@ syrias (continued from my last post)
Like I said before, either Namekian is inconsistent, or it has to do with how compatible the fusing Nameks are (in the latter case, power level may still play a large role in the resulting fused Namek's strength, but the compatibility would remain the leading factor).
syrias
#17 = somewhat stronger than a "normal" ssj
piccolo jr. (who is a genetical reincarnation of king piccolo, piccolo jr is a term coined to tell the two apart) + kami = said to equal the ssj (even be a bit stronger, according to guru, who had no real idea how strong ssj can be)
piccolo jr. + nail = enough to beat friezas first, until frieza did the transformation marathon and became stronger
piccolo-nail + kami = a fair ammount stronger than #17 who himself was stronger than a ssj.
so what guru said (massive increase in power for piccolo if he ever fuses with kami, due to both being halves of a whole namek) still holds true in the shows and manga canon. the completing of the nameless namek was what made piccolo that much stronger. far stronger than the fusion with nail did.
so there is no inconsistency and the two instances of fusion we see are actually different from each other.
if compability would be an issue... nail + piccolo should have resulted in the bigger boost... since both were warrior types with a strong will (only that one was willing to sacrifice his very exsistence in order to save his people, while the other only would do that for gohan), while kami was a sage-namek with next to no power and no super Ki-based attacks or anything.
the thing is that kami and piccolo always were meant to be one (in-reality canon, disregarding goof ups on toriyamas part) and as one were meant to equal a ssj. piccolo+nail does not equal a ssj. the boost piccolo+nail gets once he fuses with kami equals about a ssj-sized power-boost for piccolo.
so.. namek fusion is still = two full nameks(all good and all bad sides in one person, each) fusing.
nail and piccolo jr. were = 1 half of a namek fusing with a full namek.
piccolo-nail fusing with kami was = completing a normal namek fusion between 1 normal full namek (nail) and essentially a kind of super-namek(nameless namek that was said to equal a ssj in power)
there is no incosistency...
you simply have to understand that piccolo (king OR jr.) NEVER was a full namek to begin with.
King Cold
>Bojack's gonna kick the shit outta her. Cool.
Truer words were never spoken.
>Please give Kat her own Hentai doujin.
This is an utterly funny comment, but the pervert in me can't help but second this.
DUDE
Kami and Piccolo are obviously more compatible than Nail and Piccolo because of the fact that Kami and Piccolo were once one person. It’s only natural that Piccolo’s fusion with Kami would result in a greater increase.
According to Guru, King Piccolo (260) + Kami (approximately 300) > Frieza (530,000)
The theoretical increase that was described by Guru was much greater than what actually happened:
Piccolo Jr (100,000,000+) + Kami (approximately 300) = Cyborg 17
Piccolo Jr went from being comparable to a regular Super Saiyan, to matching Cyborg 17, who wasn’t even that much stronger than a Super Saiyan anyways. That’s a much smaller increase than the one described by Guru on Namek, which described Piccolo going from the meagre power level of 260 to one surpassing Frieza’s in his first form.
Danni
toki
This isn't our universe's Pan.. so I'd imagine this Pan is about to be killed.
Joshy
You aren't really giving much facts about your inconsistency idea, in fact you are helping DUDE's and mine. Showing that the fusions were different explains the inconsistency better than saying that since it was with different Nameks it's not the same...I don't think Akira really wanted a Namek to ever come out on top so when Piccolo fuses with Kami the fusion isn't as drastic as one might have thought.
syrias
but im actually saying that the two fusions werent both the same kind of fusion and as such the namek fusion cant be called inconsistent, since we only saw it once in the whole run of DBZ.
i still stand by saying that kami and piccolo never "fused" but just became one single being again, while piccolo and nail actually fused two seperate beings into one.
that is different.
@DUDE.. so piccolo was at hundred millions and more in power at the time he fused with kami? he obtained more than 99,5 millions in power from training alone, going from the freeza arc to the androids arc?
i dont buy this, not at all.
simply accept that nail and piccolo did the fusion that nameks can do, while piccolo and kami simply became one again. its different. just accept it and this discussion is over and you wont have to bring up either fan or magazine made up power levels that arent backed up by a signed letter from toriyama himself(joking on that).
(note: stuff like this is why i asked for the words from salagir on different things)
Geno
@ DUDE- I doubt Piccolo Jr. had a power level around 100 million before he fused with Kami. 10 million maybe (since he was under 10 million while fighting Frieza and would naturally have gained power through training before the androids), but not 100 million.
@ Joshy- Actually, if the two different fusions were different, then that shows it isn't inconsistant and goes against what you and DUDE have been saying. If it was the exact same situation in both fusions with massively different results, then it would be inconsistant. Massivly different results because of different situations is not proof of inconsistancy no matter how little you understand it. Personally, I believe that both fusions provided massive jolts of power. Piccolo on Namek (having a power level anywhere from 7-10 thousand) fused with Nail (who had a power level of at least 40-50 thousand) and produced a Piccolo with a power level of a few million. In the next season he trains a little, which might bring him up around 10 million, probably. He then fuses with Kami and his power climbs into the hundred millions or the low billions, depending on what you wanna place them at. Either way, it's a big increase, placing at least a couple more zeros onto the end of the power reading with each fusion.
I'm just throwing in my 2 cents. I don't really feel like arguing passed these points, so have fun guys. (I think I've stopped caring as much XD)
@ Gohoa- (Below) I never said Vegeto was weaker than ssj3 Goku. Stop being such a retard and READ what I say. God, it's been so long since anyone has been so stupid. Allow me to recap. I said that BASE Vegeto (as in his normal state) was most likely AROUND ssj3 Goku in terms of power, and ssj Vegeto was STRONGER than ssj3 Goku. I never once said that Vegeto was weaker. YOU just ASSUMED that because I said he was not stronger in his base. "Not stronger" does not mean weaker, and I was reffering only to his base form when I said it.
PS: Vegeto didn't put up a near even match against Super Buu, he was beating Super Buu easily.
dragonball noob
@OMG! QUIZ TIMEZ!CAN YOU MAKE ANOTHER QUESTION LIKE HOW ABOUT THE FRIST ONE LIKE ALLWAYS AND THEN TWO DAYS LATER ANOTHER ONE YOUR QUESTIONS ARE VERY ENTERTAINING
@geno stop caring thats hard to believe
@salagir !LSS! (YES OR NO) X]
Gohoa
1. Vegitto was providing a near enough equal match against Super Buu Absorbed Mystic Gohan, SS3 Goku would not even be able to put a match against normal Super Buu nevermind him absorbed mystic Gohan.
2. Goku stated that he probobly could of beat fat buu, but it still would be a hard fight becuase he said "probobly" but fat buu and pure evil buu fused together meaning his power is more than doubled considering evil buu seemed to be the stronger of the buus.
3. Mystic Gohan was obviously much stronger than ss3 goku becuase, Mystic Gohan completly dominated Super Buu (not absorbed Gotenks) and SS3 goku would not stand a chance against normal Super Buu.
So if you put all these reasons together it shows that their is no way that Goku SS3 would stand a chance against Super Buu absorbed Mystic Gohan, and Vegitto put up a near enough even match against him
Haloperidol
Joshy
That would be right if it were true, I get it.
@dragonball noob
We aren't aruging, just having a fun discussion. This stuff isn't that important to argue over...I do agree with you on the altering of the fusion. When I went through the series I never really understood why Piccolo could fuse twice. I know that some believe that his fusion with Kami isn't really a fusion because they were once one, but Piccolo Jr. fused with him, not King Piccolo. So it seems like a little more than fusion with them, but still a fusion.
RWD
This isn't our universe's Pan.. so I'd imagine this Pan is about to be killed."
You do know that "our universe's Pan" was still like five when DBZ ended right? GT isn't offical cannon. And it's a web comic they can have whoever the heck the want to win.
a name
Djiini
I agree wholeheartedly, but even match? Even in -base- Vegito was beating the shit out of Super Buuhan.
:D
jo
DUDE
Exactly, which would make him far stronger than SSJ3 Goku.
@Geno: So your theory seems utterly wrong to me.
If you just judge from the manga, you can't say ANYTHING about base Vegetto's strength - so your theory isn't based upon anything.
If you judge from the anime as well, where he actually fought in a filler, then you'd have to put him far above SSJ3 Goku by your own arguments.
mikisan
mikor fog már Gegetto harcolni....
Hollie
Geno
@ Djiini- Vegeto was only fighting Buu in base form in the anime. In the Manga he skipped right to super saiyan, which means his base from was not enough. The anime just had him fight as base to make the fight longer, that's all. Vegeto's ssj advantage over Buu with Gohan absorbed was the same advantage that ssj Goku had over half power Frieza. In both cases, the base form would be 50 times weaker, and not be enough. Filler doesn't prove anything.
@ DUDE- Vegeto in his super saiyan form was kicking Buu's butt as easily as ssj Goku was beating half power Frieza. That is proof enough that Vegeto's base was not enough to beat Buu with Gohan absorbed, hence why I suggested that it might be a little stronger or a little weaker than ssj3 Goku. I was saying that I didn't know if it was stronger or weaker for sure, but it had to be around that since Vegeto needed the ssj advantage. As I told Gohoa, I never said Vegeto was weaker, so my thory is not utterly wrong. I'm saying the exact same thing about him that all of you have said before. Gohoa just thought I said he was weaker.
Now, if you're all finished having a dumb attack, let's move on.
@ Hollie- You wish.
Gohoa
DUDE
First off, generally spoken, anyone who is stronger than his enemy by a certain amount can dominate fight in DB. That doesn't necessarily mean that the size of the gap between their powerlevels has to be the same. So Goku could have been stronger or weaker than Vegetto was (relatively of course, compared to their respective opponents!).
Then, there is nothing that proves that Vegetto NEEDED to go SSJ (if you count in the anime, it even contradicts that). Maybe he just went SSJ to have a less risky fight, since he then could just dominate Buu - who knows? Maybe Vegetto base was about as strong as that "Gohan Buu"?
This would make him way stronger than Goku SSJ3 or Gohan and it would still be logical for him to transform into a SSJ. We can't say that for sure.
So, no offense, but I think you're exaggerating quite a bit, when you tell me that I am having a dumb attack.
dragonball noob
@geno 0.o losing an arguement badly 0.o geno is losing(lol) just kidding I was instegating.(Lol)0.o geno losing.(Lol) but anyways I know your baseing youself from the manga,but if im not mistaken I believe vegito said he could beat him in his base but wanted to transform to show off his real power(not exactly that,I don't remember that good)
@gohoa with that statement you just called out geno and said bring it on.
@dude your right he did not need to say a dumb attack and you did not need to say (no offense) cause you where not the one who said that frist.
P.s last comment on the page.
LSS!
Hollie
UMMX
Salagir
I don't actually know if Vargas would call it cheating :) Pan would enter with her "weapons" and except if Gohan's energy bears his signature and she is scanned as two people, it's ok ;)
Anyway, it won't happen because I don't like at all this "energy gift" thing. It makes it too easy. It was used in GT, some films... just cumulating some energy make you ten times stronger? I hate that... First, stop stealing (the already very bad) St Saiya's films plot. Second, this exists and is called Genkidama. It's a power ball. Not an increase of a warrior's power. Third, this means Vegetto could give his power to Satan, and Hercule Satan would have destroyed Buu? Who believes that?
The only time in canon DB that some power was transfered, was when Piccolo asked Gohan en Kulilin to give him their power so he could kick Freeza. I still don't really understand this scene, as these three guys were all Dende-healed, and after that didn't take any damage, only attacked to a point that don't seem to empty all their power.
So whether they were indeed very tired and Piccolo only asked their last energy so he could kick efficiently, or Piccolo went temporarily stronger with the power of these two who are like 5% of his current strength. I pick the first answer.
> syrias : me posting on the same page again doesnt help, if the one i try to debate with doesnt look at that page anymore..
I understand that, and do as you wish. But I will continue to answer in said page.
I say it again: use RSS. Rss rock. Rss will save your life :) I use Google Reader.
> syrias : put in a formula, what is the result of a namekian fusion?
I can't tell, because no power level was given after the first-seen fusion. I do believe that namek-fusion is gigantically powerful, just like other fusions are.
For the same reason, separating into two Nameks must reduce the power like hell. I do believe that "the one who separated into Kami and Piccolo Sr" (let's call him Namek-Bob) was the strongest thing on Earth since maybe when Kaioshin hide a Buu-Ball in it, and until some SSJ began to play there.
So yes, Namek-Bob may have been of a power of 500 000... When he separated, the two entities just became very weak.
I can't talk much of the power increase in the Namek saga, because when Freeza begin transforming, nothing make sense anymore. Vegeta goes from his 30K to 530K in one zenkai... Piccolo from ??? (+) 40K to... more than a million? Vegeta again zenkai from 0.5M to maybe 5M ? And Goku from 180K to maybe 10 millions? WTF?
And I once said in my website, the whole Namek saga could only make sense if 100% Freezer maximum was in fact 530K :)
Omg, there are other questions o_O
> Hercule/Satan: unbelievably sturdy, compared to other human fighters and canon or just comic relief and as such not canon?
You're just referring to his fight against Cell I guess. Well... told like this, yes Satan can't "canonicaly" survive that kind of punch :)
> buu absorbing people: simply adding up the power or even more than the sum of powers?
I've alway thought that Buu only added the power, it's not like a fusion.
> potara fusion: again.. simply adding the power or actually something with multiplying in it?
it's a fusion. It's so so much more than power1+power2. It's... power1(+)power2 ! (this sign can be multiply, power, both of them...)
> broly: time being alive= constant increase in power due to being a legendary mutant
Yes.
> (being "asleep" doesnt stop the increasing)
That's not important, maybe he fell asleep 4 days ago :)
> Muten : Salagir and Kogeta Jr should let the comic tell us instead of spoil their ideas about it
You don't have to read the comments.
Yes that's a bad excuse.
In most cases, I try to keep the best things secret. But it's true I always want to tell a lot, because the story is going slowly and I never know when it could stop. Some characters just won't lay a finger before 200 pages, it's hard no to tell you how cool they are ! :)
Please try to write our nicknames properly ^_^ That goes for other commenters too.
LivingxxGod
jabberwock
I'd keep my apperance (okay, maybe I'd make myself look a litle better) keep all organs, but only have my power level go up to 20. Why? becuase thats still 4 times the average person, more than ehogh for real life.
nasty nappa
Ray
Neo Shenron
JDTcreates
(Maybe we can say she's flying and he's holding on to her as an excuse)?
Morango
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