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@NegrusMaximus

King Vegeta and his PL were never even mentioned in the original Japanese script of Bardock The Father of Goku. Disregard anything you saw in the English dub of that movie, almost all of it is wrong.

http://www.animecauldron.com/dbzuncensored2/series/bardock.html

"...Another scene, another plot change. Only this one is an extremely important one--this is the scene where we discover why Freeza decided to destroy Planet Vegeta and conduct genocide against almost all of the Saiya-jins. I'd expect Funimation not to toss out the real script on this on and make-up "cooler stuff". However, the dub talks about Bardock and some low-level soldiers going ape on a full-moon and about how tough it is to beat Saiyans in small groups when they fight under the full-moon. It also talks about how the Saiyans are "quickly becoming" their "best fighters" (even better than their "elites"--Freeza's men are never identified as "elites" and besides that the Ginyu Force are supposed to be his elites--the word "elites" isn't even in the original script) and has Zarbon warn of the danger of Bardock and Prince Vegeta teaming up. The real version talks about how some unnamed low-level SJ's took over Kanassa. Freeza and Zarbon talk about how strong Prince Vegeta is and how effective the Saiya-jins are in small groups. Freeza agrees with Zarbon that the Saiya-jins could eventually become a problem. Prince Vegeta then marches in and announces that he's going to pay his respects to Freeza before clearing his assigned planet. The dub has Prince Vegeta fuss and say "this is lame, I need an assignment" and then has Freeza decide to have Zarbon give him "the toughest assignment..."

"...It should also be noted that Dodoria and none of the villains in the original version of this movie refer to any of the Saiya-jins by name, except for Prince Vegeta..."

"...And it goes on. In the original Bardock talks about changing the future of his home planet, his son and his own future before attacking Freeza. But in the dub..."

"...For that last paragraph the real line was...
Kakarroto, carry out my will! You will avenge the Saiya-jins, and our planet Vegeta!..."

"...Now do you see what the problem is with all of Funi's added dialogue for Bardock? It gives off the false impression that Bardock "changed" and became a good guy during the last few minutes of his life. The real Bardock had no sympathy for anyone he murdered and he lived as a villain and died as one. He never made it to Heaven but was instead undoubtedly sent to Hell by King Yema. Why oh why, Funimation, must you insist on changing the script all the time? Doing this didn't even "Americanize" it or make it remotely "cooler." All it did was ruin the story and give out lies to anyone who watched only the dubbed version of this..."

"...Ah, but they're not done yet. Only only last really important change they made--the guy calling Prince Vegeta was originally Nappa. In the dub it's a random soldier of Freeza who also sends out "sympathies" from Freeza..."

@Nyzer
>Honestly, I can't take either of the two recent movies seriously.

Not to mention that BoG and RoF completely screw up the ending of DBZ. I would love to see Toriyama explain why would Goku be excited about meeting and fighting Uub (who is at most Kid Buu level) when Goku knew about Whis, Beerus, and apparently SSJ God? Vegeta years before the end of DBZ. Uub is a weakling after BoG and RoF.

@killjoy

Damn, first they made red hair on saiyan a fact and now blue, what's next? A white hair and tan skin??

@Yournick

O_o that site still exist? Wow

Anyway i had a "heart attack" when i learned that Bardock went to hell, but still his last words sound like this

"Kakarotto! Carry out my dieying wish! The Saiyans, planet Vegeta, you will be the one to avenge them!!!"

Still Goku was Kakarotto during that time, so Bardock saying that he "didn't have him in his arms" in the american version whould make Kakarotto (a mass murderer) think "Oh Pop! You emberesed me" on Earth

Anyway American version of TV Special 1 is still cooler than the TV Special 2, i could watch the first special with japanese music, but the second special's line "Piccolo was the first to try, and the first to die" makes me wanna vommit

Still Bardock might of went to HELL, but i don't think he whould be like "Hahahaha i'm back, time to kill the humans!" when he whould return to Earth alive like in that RPG Maker 2003 game

@0NightHawk0

And us (aka Freeza haters), ARDBZ Vegeta already suffers from damage after watching DB (D)evolution so who knows what he thinks of this shitty movie

@Anon

1.He's not strong enough
2.Goku was already wished back by the Dragon Balls back to life once, the new Shenlong CAN'T restore people back to life more than once, so Goku whould die and never come back

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ugh this sucks, i hope that in a universe when Gohan chan killed AHs, he didn't wear glasses

@Super Gojita 3

Everytime someone has toyed with the other in Dragon Ball, he has had a great lead in power, dodging and blocking all of the other one's moves (sometimes with a wide smile) and doing a lot of damage with each attack. None of that happened in Dabura vs Gohan, it was an even mach with one having a slight advantage, neither of them doing much damage to each other. The fights purpose was to steal energy, Dabura failed because he couldn't. If he had more strength hidden he could have held back only so much that his attacks wouldn't have killed Gohan but still beat the energy out of him. There is no reason for him to hold back that much he can't even deal any damage, especially when that was his main goal in this particular fight. He also tried to turn Gohan into a stone and tried to slice Gohan in two with his sword so I think he was trying.

I remembered wrong that anime part, though anime gives much more credit to Gohan than manga does. He gave much more blows than Dabura did. And the Cell-comment in the anime made Cell stronger than Dabura.

@NegrusMaximus
>Again, conjecture vs verbatim. Why would goku make that statement if it wasn't true. The strength of Dabura is only relevant to measure Gohan's incompetence and lack of training and later on exemplify Buu's superiority over the Z Fighters last threat. It doesn't matter who was tired, it only matters that Gohan, if he had kept up his training, should have more than stomped Dabura because he's roughly the same level of their last threat who all of them ,especially Gohan, should have more than surpassed by now. Toriyama wasn't thinking "I'm gonna make this kinda even to show that a weakened Gohan is on the same level as Dabura meaning Dabura is not as strong as a full powercell and blah blah blah". Toriyama used that fight to show how Gohan fell off as a fighter. Dabura was not and will never be as relevant as cell so the depth of his strength shouldn't be explored past what is said about him.

Because they have overestimated opponents before, and it was still "probably" and "about" with only little movements revealed from Dabura. I do agree that Toriyama didn't think any specific version of Cell when putting that statement there, but I don't think he thought even "as strong as Cell ever was". I think he meant just Cell in general. Everyone has a scale in their mind about how strong Cell is. It's for the reader to decide after the performance he showed against Gohan. For example, every time I think about Cell, the one Goku fought comes to my mind first, then I remember he could become even stronger and so on, if I start thinking of his power. I also agree on why that statement probably was there (to show how rusty Gohan is and how superior Buu is) but it is enough that Dabura is somewhere at Cell's level to show that. Also, we should not be thinking what Toriyama thought when he put statements in the manga, or we would have a whole different discussion with everything else too.

>And if you wanna really go tit for tat with how the two fights went. Gohan never really struggled against cell at any point. When he was a regular SSJ he was reluctant to fight and only stayed on the defensive and of course as a SSJ 2 he dominated until Cell came back and Gohan lost the use if his arm.

First of all, do you think Gohan was SSJ2 against Dabura and Dabura Super perfect Cell's level or that Gohan was SSJ1 and Dabura Perfect Cell's level? (You can't seriously be saying Gohan was SSj1 and Dabura super perfect Cell's level, can you?) You wanna check the Gohan vs Cell again, he did dodge and block couple of Cell's moves, yes, but he definitely struggled and wasn't able to land hits back. Even if Gohan was reluctant to fight, that wasn't nearly Cell's full power either. If Cell had powered up to 100% he would have probably beat everyone up the same way Broly did in his first movie. That Gohan was much stronger than what the adult Gohan was against Dabura, and also had better fighting sense because of his recent training, and still Gohan put up a better fight against Dabura. I don't really care who overestimates who or had Toriyama already forgotten Cell's suicide attempt, or what he was thinking when he put that statement over there. The fight clearly tells us how strong he is.

>Gohan simply being equal or having a hard time with a cell level opponent after years of slacking is not far fetched for either participant. Gohan was leagues above Cell when he fought him even in his most powerful form and to say Dabura is around that level makes perfect sense, especially with Gohan struggling against him seeing as he's not necessarily in that league anymore.

I agree on this, it is not far fetched, IF Gohan would have been SSJ2 against Dabura, but he was not. SSJ1 teen Gohan wouldn't have been even able to touch neither 100% Cell nor Super perfect Cell, as he couldn't even beat the "50%" Cell because of the lack of skill and motivation, so how could even weaker Gohan put up any kind of fight against either one. That's my point. There is just no way Dabura could have been that strong or he wouldn't have had ANY problem in stealing Gohan's energy, and Gohan wouldn't have been able to even push him. Now, if he was a SSJ2 when he fought Dabura and the fight would have looked the same, then your point of view would make a lot of sense, I would agree completely, but because he was only a SSj1, that changes everything.

@ Triangle-
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Thank you. I now have a new name for a new character in my DBZ fan-fic. Faze.

@ Emperor Taku-
>You glorious sum bitch, you fully got the meaning of what I was saying the entire time.
Lol.

@ Tyrik73-
>I heard and saw that in Rof Goku is going to get another transformation.
Well... Kind of? I mean, not completely, but that's basically right. It depends on how you look at it, really.

@ Bartek-
>Damn, first they made red hair on saiyan a fact and now blue, what's next? A white hair and tan skin??
Persinally, I'm hoping for green next.

@ Anon-
>Why doesn't Kibito Kai just power up and blast Buu? It's not like they don't have DBs.
If they kill Vegeta while he's dead, then the dragon balls won't bring him back. Also, Kabitoshin doesn't have enough power to destroy Buu completely, so that would be wasted. What he should do is teleport himself and Buu to a black hole as someone else in here suggested.

@ Trapicheiro-
>Why not destroy buu while he's fighting goku. It seems like buu's "sleeping" so Kibito would have time to charge an attack and destroy buu along with goku.
Same answer I just gave Anon.

@ Salager-
>Great news everyone, because of your support, this comic has been officially picked up for DLC on Dragonball xenoverse.
I will laugh if anyone falls for that.

@ Skar-
>Yeah I definitely don't think they grew that much weaker over time but I do think their power increases diminished as they become stronger. All the crazy power-ups the characters had during the Saiyan and Freeza saga were never repeated in any of the later sagas. I think that was consistent for every character including all the Saiyans, humans, and Piccolo.
I don't know... Piccolo seems to have had pretty huge power increases over time. The most notable being each time he fused. In fact, fusion in general seems to always give out a huge increase in power.
Hey... What do you suppose would be the result if there was a universe where all of the Z-fighters fused by using the potara over and over again?