DB Multiverse
Member page of Joker
He's breaking through layers, but I just don't think he can finish the job if he doesn't say anything mean to him. Gast is almost designed to lose here. Bra would be much more capable against something like that, and not because of power.
DB Multiverse page 2410
Oh cool. So Gast is going to get this for free when the entity gives Xii the ol Android 17.
Seriously, why would you actually free him?
DB Multiverse page 2384
Seriously, why would you actually free him?
Oh good. I was worried they'd wasted Raditz after all this time.
DB Multiverse page 2378
Man, that's a real shame. That was almost a really cool development. It would have been a good way to expand on the potaras and indirectly flesh out Vegito too while making Raditz a serious character. What a waste.
DB Multiverse page 2374
I've seen a few people comment that 17's bike is Puar, and I do see the tail, but I just don't see any way he could survive that.
1 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 2346
If this is the same Gohan from History of Trunks then this Gohan was always kind of bad at everything, including losing. He survived losing fights for more than a decade, but somehow managed not to get a single meaningful zenkai. He also never even knew that Trunks existed until they bumped into each other. Ain't no one in Trunks's life teaching him to control his ki, and the androids can't sense it anyway, so you could probably just sense him all the time before he trained with Gohan. So why did Gohan not start training him way younger? He should have been able to find him.
Just some gripes. Future Gohan annoys me. He's too smart to be this dumb. 1 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 2342
Just some gripes. Future Gohan annoys me. He's too smart to be this dumb. 1 Replie(s)
Wow, that's some bogus. Vegeta has always been harder to put down. Why did he give out here first? This fight set up a prime situation for Vegeta to win. They were so focused on copying some metal gear meme they forgot to write the characters.
DB Multiverse page 2267
I'm not sure the outcome will reflect this, but Vegeta can take more punishment than Goku can. The longer this goes on, the better Vegeta's odds should be.
1 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 2266
PrinceOfTheHood was saying:
This Fight has become pure Pain.
Pain and who is probably able to better wrestle through it.
Pain and who is probably able to better wrestle through it.
Which means Vegeta should win any second now. Goku is inventive and really skilled but Vegeta is much harder to put down.
Hopefully he'll dodge it or something. Goku deserves the win as much as Vegeta does but I'm rooting for Geets
DB Multiverse page 2255
If this comes down to durability Vegeta's probably going to take it.
DB Multiverse page 2241
It's weird that Frieza never tried to subjugate the Namekians. They seem to be as powerful as saiyans, smart enough to fully cooperate, and they produce fucking WISH ORBS. He really wanted that golden goose dead.
1 Replie(s)
DBMultiverse Colors page 36
Wow, that's way better than the canon form. It looks a lot like Goku while still lookinmg like Gohan's own SS2 form.
DB Blancoverse page 26
I'm super excited for whatever comes after the next special. These two were always going to get more powerful but I was starting to doubt their Gogeta would be a significant amount stronger than Vegito.
This. He's had that posture before.
https://youtu.be/SAzEq2yBVRI?t=1740
DB Multiverse page 2190
Mister Doctor was saying:
Goku lookin' like he's aboout to collapse
This. He's had that posture before.
https://youtu.be/SAzEq2yBVRI?t=1740
Madara was saying:
OK There's no way they are stronger than Vegitto. That would be really exaggerated. Probably he's just angry he didn't think about this power-up himself
I don't know, they might actually be in the ballpark. That power up took Gohan from weaker than Cell to stronger than SS3 Goku. This Goku and Vegeta were always much stronger than Gohan was before he got the Kai boost, and it's shown they've spent most of their time since the Buu saga training.
So where are they relative to Vegito at this point? If they do the fusion dance he's absolutely toast. DBM seems to be taking the stance that "Vegito gets lazy and lacks the individual strengths that his halves have separated." I said a while back that this Vegito is an average of Goku and Vegeta, but their best qualities are lost. I think that's proving to be the point of the later parts of the story.
He gets Vegeta's cruelty but not his indomitability. He gets Goku's laid back sense of humor, but not his discipline. He gets Vegeta's sense of importance, but not his sense of pride. He gets Goku's social ineptitude, but not his affable nature. The result is a stupidly powerful bully, and a coward. At an equal power level both Goku and Vegeta would wipe the floor with DBM's Vegito for the same reason Son Bra was btfo by Bra Briefs. 1 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 2168
He gets Vegeta's cruelty but not his indomitability. He gets Goku's laid back sense of humor, but not his discipline. He gets Vegeta's sense of importance, but not his sense of pride. He gets Goku's social ineptitude, but not his affable nature. The result is a stupidly powerful bully, and a coward. At an equal power level both Goku and Vegeta would wipe the floor with DBM's Vegito for the same reason Son Bra was btfo by Bra Briefs. 1 Replie(s)
Trunks missed his chance. "So has the bug man tried to eat you yet?"
DB Multiverse page 2146
RockyJoe was saying:
How the hell did Kakarott ever learn to sense energy if he didn't train under Karin or Kami?
He's a natural mimic, so I'd assume he saw someone do it while he was hunting the humans down. He also might have picked it up entirely by himself. I'm pretty sure every version of Goku is naturally a fighting savant, so hunting people with power levels could very easily have taught Kakarot how to sense ki.
UltraExtream was saying:
Bulma: I can defend myself.
Yeah I am sure this won't come back to bite her in the butt.
Yeah I am sure this won't come back to bite her in the butt.
Bro Majin Bra happened Bulma smart she stayed home
Bubbles was saying:
Ouroboros was saying: UltraExtream was saying: So are the Vargas more powerful than a normal human?
no but the nameks are.
Wouldn't Trunks recognize kis that are similar to Piccolo's and Dende's? Or maybe he will?
no but the nameks are.
Wouldn't Trunks recognize kis that are similar to Piccolo's and Dende's? Or maybe he will?
He knows exactly two Namekians and they're from another reality. It's also possible their energy feels different. You know how they can usually tell whose power it is? Maybe Piccolo feels like three dudes and Dende feels like a weird green child
I have three theories.
1. The powerful guy shrouded in cloud is black star shenron or someone similar
2. Xii is actually Pilaf
3. Xii is actually Garlic Jr.
DB Multiverse page 2110
1. The powerful guy shrouded in cloud is black star shenron or someone similar
2. Xii is actually Pilaf
3. Xii is actually Garlic Jr.
WukongTheMighty was saying:
I've never really liked Zen Buu as a character but hell if this isn't the least satisfying way to get rid of him from the story.
In this chapter basically every single powerful character has shown themselves to be a jobber worthy of the Shockmaster except XXI who just left.
Vegito was worthless against Buu, and he was only slightly less worthless than Gast who immediately got smoked.
Buu himself gets taken out of the story by this anti-climax, all of the Heliotes working together accomplished nothing, Goku and Vegeta both accomplished nothing, Gotenks accomplished nothing... you get the point.
I can't believe Bra got like four whole chapters for her temper tantrum and Buu didn't even get to the end of one either of the times that he tried. Actually it's kind of more like 6 chapters if you include the two specials, too.
In this chapter basically every single powerful character has shown themselves to be a jobber worthy of the Shockmaster except XXI who just left.
Vegito was worthless against Buu, and he was only slightly less worthless than Gast who immediately got smoked.
Buu himself gets taken out of the story by this anti-climax, all of the Heliotes working together accomplished nothing, Goku and Vegeta both accomplished nothing, Gotenks accomplished nothing... you get the point.
I can't believe Bra got like four whole chapters for her temper tantrum and Buu didn't even get to the end of one either of the times that he tried. Actually it's kind of more like 6 chapters if you include the two specials, too.
I think the writers are terrified they'll accidentally make a Buu arc too long and be accused of copying the source material.
He looks in control to me. I'm expecting a bunch of the Buus to be completely destroyed all at the same time, namely the ones fighting lower level fighters. Given what he said earlier he may lean on the other SS3 characters to carry their own weight.
DB Multiverse page 2052
Asura is killing it with pages like this. I forgot we never saw him draw U18 Vegeta as a SS3.
DB Multiverse page 2049
I really missed pages like this. Asura's art is wonderful. This might be the best Vegito art I've ever seen. The last page was similarly great. This guy should be working on the actual Super manga.
DB Multiverse page 2041
You're not dealing with the average Namekian warrior anymore
DB Multiverse page 2030
So is this Champa's planet Earth? Because with no Goku and Beerus still asleep they're pretty screwed.
1 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 2015
asmodias was saying:
Isn't Kami's power level only around 400 or something? Would Raditz be weaker than that?
No. Raditz is more than twice as strong as that. He's screwed. 1 Replie(s)
Kami supposedly maxes out at 400. I sure hope he's picked up the Kaioken.
DB Multiverse page 2009
Tao is gonna do great until Raditz shows up. He's more than enough for this planet without Goku or Majunior. But that raises the question, where's King Piccolo?
DB Multiverse page 2002
Damn. I'm gonna miss the main story. I hope the gap feels shorter than the last one. I know Asura has a life and stuff but his art is like drugs it's so good
DB Multiverse page 1995
Do you think this is Tien's technique or are these full-fledged Zen Buus? I kinda see Elder Kai's point. The last time words failed to resolve something he got a hand through his stomach, and it's starting to look like it'll end the same way.
I'm warming up to the "Buu is utterly content" idea. If he's planning on fighting the whole room then he probably could have handled Vegito's family out in space much more handily.
Page 278
I think the reason he was so angry when he got back was because he didn't need Broly, but he wanted him, and he let Goku and Vegeta cloud his judgement. Their fight impulses made Buu make a mistake. He was too busy having fun to end it quickly, and that means Vegito and the promise of a fight goaded him into missing an opportunity. 1 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 1994
I'm warming up to the "Buu is utterly content" idea. If he's planning on fighting the whole room then he probably could have handled Vegito's family out in space much more handily.
Page 278
I think the reason he was so angry when he got back was because he didn't need Broly, but he wanted him, and he let Goku and Vegeta cloud his judgement. Their fight impulses made Buu make a mistake. He was too busy having fun to end it quickly, and that means Vegito and the promise of a fight goaded him into missing an opportunity. 1 Replie(s)
I kinda see where this Kai is coming from, but Vegito, Bra, a few Gohans, Gast, Goku, and Vegeta could probably handle him. If there were ever an opportunity to kill him, it's while he's in this ball.
DB Multiverse page 1990
Bubbles was saying:
"It's true you should always know where your towel is" LOL, did Buu absorb Towelie?
It's from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Ah, so the one talking to Uub was sealed away as well. That makes sense, Babidi did say the magic could work through walls.
1 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 1986
Well this got pretty real pretty fast. 50/50 Buu faked the sealing. Either way Xxi is some serious business. I wonder what his plan is for someone like Goku.
Wasn't that like, two weeks ago?
DB Multiverse page 1983
Ultimate-Perfection was saying:
Talk about an intimidating villain! Probably the creepiest thing in manga I’ve seen since God crept out from behind the moon in One Punch Man.
Wasn't that like, two weeks ago?
I love seeing Uub with his feet in both camps like this. This makes perfect sense, Zen Buu has been nothing but kind to him. Very few people get to talk openly with this Buu, and even fewer are friendly. U18 is exceptionally well equipped to handle threats compared to other universes. For comparison, I very seriously doubt DBM's Vegito would survive a visit from Beerus.
DB Multiverse page 1977
This looks like a Magic: The Gathering card. I'm really looking forward to this. The shadowy entity Xxi was talking to in his apartment likely exists in Buu's universe in some capacity, and it's likely channeled its power through some alien. Buu wouldn't receive its power from eating the hosts, but he would learn about it. Buu also clearly survived it, probably knows the mafuba, and is generally ridiculously powerful and hard to kill anyway.
Tl;dr: Buu cannot be destroyed by Xxi's patron in his universe, and this patron may or may not have been destroyed or mafuba'd by Buu.
DB Multiverse page 1971
Tl;dr: Buu cannot be destroyed by Xxi's patron in his universe, and this patron may or may not have been destroyed or mafuba'd by Buu.
Your nickel was saying:
Maybe Zangya had the right idea about not siding with them
Bujin wasn't exactly flush with choices
This is different than the gender swap thing they used on Vegeta. Is that the same character draining their ki? If it isn't her, it could be the Metamorese Ki Fission that Vegeta learned in the Super manga.
DB Multiverse page 1962
I mean this backstory isn't exactly news. I'd rather see the fight
1 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 1958
Ugh. They're still going to be telling this same joke next page about how she's stuck as a cat. This is going to be a long chapter.
DB Multiverse page 1957
It seems to have been foreshadowed pretty heavily that these women are in no way prepared for anyone as powerful as Bojack. I hope they have more tricks up their sleeve than we've seen.
1 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 1953
I'm really not a fan of the end of this fight. The first half was solid, but this is just not great. The pacing is way off and Vegeta sounds cheesy. He also wouldn't use a senzu if he didn't intend to let Cell eat his.
Oh god I figured out why this is bothering me so much. He sounds like Gotenks.
DB Multiverse page 1949
Oh god I figured out why this is bothering me so much. He sounds like Gotenks.
I called it. He's copying his son's trick flipping back and forth between 2 and 3.
Also, that senzu bean plan was way better than I gave Vegeta credit for, but if Cell can't eat his bean it seems out of character.
DB Multiverse page 1947
Also, that senzu bean plan was way better than I gave Vegeta credit for, but if Cell can't eat his bean it seems out of character.
I bet his plan is to use his son's technique where he momentarily transforms to 3 for bursts, but maintains level 2.
That's as generous as I can get. This Vegeta is doing some pretty bizarro shit. Why the senzu beans at all? He barely took any damage. He pulled a bunch of tricks to make Cell burn energy then gave away that advantage? I mean I guess it could be a callback to Goku giving Gohan the same advantage, then giving him a bean, but it all feels so pointless. It feels like the writers wanted Vegeta to be "clever" and fucked it up. It was going pretty well, too. 1 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 1946
That's as generous as I can get. This Vegeta is doing some pretty bizarro shit. Why the senzu beans at all? He barely took any damage. He pulled a bunch of tricks to make Cell burn energy then gave away that advantage? I mean I guess it could be a callback to Goku giving Gohan the same advantage, then giving him a bean, but it all feels so pointless. It feels like the writers wanted Vegeta to be "clever" and fucked it up. It was going pretty well, too. 1 Replie(s)
Super Gojita 3 was saying:
I wonder if vegeta learned other techniques?
He learned the shunkaidou. so did he learn the multi form while we're at it? Piccolo learned it in the anime, as did krillin. if vegeta learned a technique from casual observation over like 30 years, I guess he could learn whatever else the plot calls for.
...
all kidding aside, I wouldn't mind vegeta using other stolen techniques or even new techniques, not yet seen, from yardrat. Maybe he went there off screen in u18. he did say "expect some surprises from me" now he ruined the surprise
:P
He learned the shunkaidou. so did he learn the multi form while we're at it? Piccolo learned it in the anime, as did krillin. if vegeta learned a technique from casual observation over like 30 years, I guess he could learn whatever else the plot calls for.
...
all kidding aside, I wouldn't mind vegeta using other stolen techniques or even new techniques, not yet seen, from yardrat. Maybe he went there off screen in u18. he did say "expect some surprises from me" now he ruined the surprise
:P
Read the DBS manga 1 Replie(s)
kiobruh was saying:
so wait, the barrier can stop nearly every energy based attack and even prevent people from going through it. Unless of course you're smoke or vegeta?(or you have crazy hax like broly, buu, and the tech guys)
You can get to the universe sections if you want to. I think they can turn on that part of the shield for people like Broly but Cell and Bojack were able to land in front of Gohan. 1 Replie(s)
So this is a clever variation of Tien's duplication technique. Only one proper Cell grew back, he just built the fakes off of the chunks.
DB Multiverse page 1932
I hope Vegeta didn't bring senzu beans. It seems way out of character unless he intends to share.
DB Multiverse page 1927
I like Vegeta approvingly looking on from the back. That's the kind of attitude he wanted to see in Pan.
DB Multiverse page 1926
Goku may be better than anyone at training people since Whis isn't canon here. He got Gohan far enough to manage SS2 and he got Uub strong enough to punch half of his blood out of his face at SS3. Uub is going to be a very sincere martial artist and he'll likely positively influence people the way Goku does. Goku should train a lot more people.
DB Multiverse page 1925
Nice. If the fight with Frieza counts that's two solid zenkais for Goku now. Vegito might have received one though.
1 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 1924
Based on VERY old history, I'm predicting Uub gets most of the way up and then falters and eats it, spewing blood from his face throughout. Then Goku will wobbily get up and clean as can be declare himself the champion.
https://youtu.be/zN25UyaDfYE
DB Multiverse page 1922
https://youtu.be/zN25UyaDfYE
iron leaf was saying:
I'm sensing strong Jackie Chun vs Goku vibes here. A potential reference to the finale of the 21st Tenkaichi Budōkai is quite possible if one of the two gets back up on the next page and is thus crowned the winner. Unfortunately, Goku's disappointing performance overshadows this nice thought.
This is exactly what I was thinking. Eerily similar. Good eye! Plays well into the "make way for the new generation" theme from that very fight.
I'd be really surprised if Vegeta can keep up with Cell at this point. He's had like 2 or 3 zenkais since the tournament began.
DB Multiverse page 1920
I'm betting one of the missing Namekians absorbed a saiyan and is no longer missing.
Namekseijin Densetsu page 41
How would a cloning machine produce 10 of them with the same mannerisms and knowledge? Dumb bird.
1 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 1917
Man this special is actually a lot of fun. It's a shame this was introduced at the particular time it was introduced. It's good so far but I'm stuck pining for more of that Super Sakuga 3 goodness. Asura is not an act I'd want to follow.
DB Multiverse page 1915
Man. That was the best looking SS3 this comic ever had. I'm gonna miss it.
DB Multiverse page 1914
The puns are always appreciated but that was a brutal time for a special
DB Multiverse page 1913
Uub's got focus like crazy to keep this together while it's very obviously injuring him. Still though, going immediately for the throat with everything is kind of the best way to handle Goku, assuming there was ever a chance. I can't imagine Uub can keep this up for much longer, but he really needs to beat the three out of him.
DB Multiverse page 1911
I think is the end of the Kaioken. It's either a decisive KO or Uub is screwed.
DB Multiverse page 1909
I bet this is going to be a callback to Goku vs Jackie Chun where they fight with nothing left in reserves, so just punching and skill. Of course Uub has a beoucoup bananas base power advantage over Goku so that'd be quick.
DB Multiverse page 1908
So Goku has to outlast this Kaioken and retain at least Super Saiyan 2. Unfortunately for him that's Vegeta's specialty. If they both drop to base form Uub should have a massive advantage over him considering King Kai states that Maximum Kaioken is x20, and Maximum Kaioken kept up with Super Saiyan 3.
Edit: Actually, I need to quote myself from page 1901:
>It's worth noting that Uub is now running on a Kaioken x 20, since I'm pretty sure King Kai said that's the highest Kaioken anyone can do. According to Salagir in pages 82 and 1091, Super Saiyan is a 50x multiplier, Super Saiyan 2 is a 10x multiplier, and Super Saiyan 3 is another 10x multiplier. That totals out to a 5000x multiplier. They appear to fight evenly.
>That means Uub's base power is 250x Goku's base power. That's fuckin bananas. They should wish him into a Saiyan.
People pointed out that Goku went to x100 in the movies and that might be the actual max. I think Transcended is x100. 4 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 1907
Edit: Actually, I need to quote myself from page 1901:
>It's worth noting that Uub is now running on a Kaioken x 20, since I'm pretty sure King Kai said that's the highest Kaioken anyone can do. According to Salagir in pages 82 and 1091, Super Saiyan is a 50x multiplier, Super Saiyan 2 is a 10x multiplier, and Super Saiyan 3 is another 10x multiplier. That totals out to a 5000x multiplier. They appear to fight evenly.
>That means Uub's base power is 250x Goku's base power. That's fuckin bananas. They should wish him into a Saiyan.
People pointed out that Goku went to x100 in the movies and that might be the actual max. I think Transcended is x100. 4 Replie(s)
I like that they established that Uub is very efficient in using Kaioken. This won't last long, so he likely has a plan.
DB Multiverse page 1905
It's worth noting that Uub is now running on a Kaioken x 20, since I'm pretty sure King Kai said that's the highest Kaioken anyone can do. According to Salagir in pages 82 and 1091, Super Saiyan is a 50x multiplier, Super Saiyan 2 is a 10x multiplier, and Super Saiyan 3 is another 10x multiplier. That totals out to a 5000x multiplier. They appear to fight evenly.
That means Uub's base power is 250x Goku's base power. That's fuckin bananas. They should wish him into a Saiyan. 1 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 1901
That means Uub's base power is 250x Goku's base power. That's fuckin bananas. They should wish him into a Saiyan. 1 Replie(s)
You know I don't have many complaints about the story, but I'll read pretty much anything Dragon Ball this guy draws.
As an aside, I think Piccolo is wrong. I bet Uub picked up some of Buu's regenerative ability, doubly so after Zen Buu gave him some extra Buu powers. He can probably maintain a Kaioken much more easily than Goku.
DB Multiverse page 1899
As an aside, I think Piccolo is wrong. I bet Uub picked up some of Buu's regenerative ability, doubly so after Zen Buu gave him some extra Buu powers. He can probably maintain a Kaioken much more easily than Goku.
If there's one thing I appreciate above anything else about this comic it's how good Super Saiyan 3 always looks.
DB Multiverse page 1898
Zen Buu is in it for the lulz. I wonder if he'd get along with Universe 18 Goku.
DB Multiverse page 1893
Beat-kun was saying:
Darius was saying: Beat-kun was saying: Darius was saying: Dante was saying: Idk if this is just pure fanboy or cell was really caught off-guard or if they somehow got an off-page zenkai but after all the pages i feel like he should've noticed the other Gohan approach, and maybe notice them leave at the end. What's your opinion?
To be fair both gohans did die on screen. If zenkai is outside of the potential spell then both gohans may have did another jump in power. If zenkai raises potential like it raises battle power then Gohan definitely stronger then cell. The real question is how strong was the zenkai. Is it vegeta after goku level where he went from what 18000 to 22000 or is it goku after ginyu were goku goes from 90000 to 3mil. Considering gohan rarely trains the zenkai cap that goku and vegeta aren't able to abuse for some reason (I don't know why but it is one of the fails of super) gohan should be able to use.
Did Y'all deadass forget Gohan went super Saiyan before he got his potential unleashed?
You need to read our comments again because your tangent made no sense to the context I was spouting.
Mystifio was saying: Darius was saying: Dante was saying: Idk if this is just pure fanboy or cell was really caught off-guard or if they somehow got an off-page zenkai but after all the pages i feel like he should've noticed the other Gohan approach, and maybe notice them leave at the end. What's your opinion?
To be fair both gohans did die on screen. If zenkai is outside of the potential spell then both gohans may have did another jump in power. If zenkai raises potential like it raises battle power then Gohan definitely stronger then cell. The real question is how strong was the zenkai. Is it vegeta after goku level where he went from what 18000 to 22000 or is it goku after ginyu were goku goes from 90000 to 3mil. Considering gohan rarely trains the zenkai cap that goku and vegeta aren't able to abuse for some reason (I don't know why but it is one of the fails of super) gohan should be able to use.
You do remember Cell died as well, right? If they did get a Zenkai, then unless Buu explicitly didn’t give Cell one, there’s no reason why he wouldn’t have gotten one. Cell was also beaten up pretty rough. I’d say that he and both Gohans would’ve gotten the same/very similar Zenkai boost. The difference in power between any one of the Gohans and Cell would pretty much be the same as before (though in my opinion, U16 Gohan would be stronger since he had to deal with, and train, Bra, for probably a few years.
kiobruh was saying: I somewhat like this page. Very funny and a cute interaction. Almost looks like the gohans will "take advantage" and double team cell.
So really what does it mean to be pure of heart? If gohan, chi chi, goku, that one villager from early dragon ball, and maybe goten and Pan are all Pure of heart then who else is. Is cell pure of heart? Is buu or a version of buu? Being good never had anything to do with being pure of heart from the beginning, so what does it mean?
If goku's blood is the only thing you need to be pure of heart? In that case cell is pure of heart. If it only means that you can not be easily swayed toward altered actions then I guess goku would still be pure of heart, but why would Gohan be too? Or wouldn't trunks be pure of heart and Vegeta after the buu ark too.
It's all too messy and the fact that so many characters are both considered "good" and "pure of heart" has broken the concept. Either that or Goku being able to still be a bad person without having any faults in his character is the real problem and why toriyama shouldn't have used that wording. Either that or the concept tells you about his own psychology and how terrible people could be considered the most pure hearted and good people could loose their bodies after they die.
From what I understand, being pure of heart is when you’re good, and more.
By that I mean that you have to be good, so having compassion, no selfishness, and no sadisticness.
I say more because in Dragon Ball, both Bulma and Roshi couldn’t ride the Nimbus. For Bulma, it was probably how self-centered/egocentric she was, and for Roshi because the dude was just very perverted. Both of them were good, but because of those things they weren’t considered pure.
Goku lost his Saiyan memories as a child (and probably left some brain damage) and was raised by Gohan, in a natural environment. Gohan would have taught him to be kind to all living things, since he never even saw a girl he had no lust, and hitting his head as a child basically got rid of all selfish and sadistic impulses.
Vegeta started off possibly being as bad as Frieza. He had to be beaten by those he considered weaklings, fall in love and and shown compassion (no one else would’ve let a galactic mass murderer live on their planet) to finally let go of his pride (at least to a certain degree) and sacrifice himself to (try to) save his loved ones. Vegeta has been shown that he was wrong, and he has found a peaceful live on Earth. Even when provoked by U13 Vegeta, he didn’t give in to his old ways.
Cell, there’s no way in HFIL that he’s pure of heart. He’s massacared multiple planets, possibly out of boredom or pleasure (or looking for a challenge). He also has no one to show him the light like with Vegeta. Also, as we just saw, Gohan called Cell out for him acting selfishly during the Budokai. He murdered both Videls just so Gohan would fight him.
With Buu, the Good Buu that exists in U18 should be pure of heart. He was literally split from his evilness.
My point was that not all zenkai are created equal. That's why I brought up the difference between goku and vegeta zenkai. Were goku became just about 34 x stronger then he was when he got beat in the ginyu fight (base goku was 90,000 and that one fight pushed him to 3mil.) compared to vegeta who only got a meesly 1.3 times as strong from that battle on earth (vegeta was I think 18000 to 25000). Hell even cell zenkai made him badass but he was still weaker then ss2 weakened gohan. Granted his zenkai had to encapsulate the missing android 18. So you could say that his zenkai put in a shit ton of work and that would be fair but whether it would be comparable to gohans is up to the writer. In fact this gives the writer a lot of headway.
"If zenkai is outside of the potential spell then both gohans may have did another jump in power." I was kinda referring to this.
Now I just feel like a dumbass again.
To be fair both gohans did die on screen. If zenkai is outside of the potential spell then both gohans may have did another jump in power. If zenkai raises potential like it raises battle power then Gohan definitely stronger then cell. The real question is how strong was the zenkai. Is it vegeta after goku level where he went from what 18000 to 22000 or is it goku after ginyu were goku goes from 90000 to 3mil. Considering gohan rarely trains the zenkai cap that goku and vegeta aren't able to abuse for some reason (I don't know why but it is one of the fails of super) gohan should be able to use.
Did Y'all deadass forget Gohan went super Saiyan before he got his potential unleashed?
You need to read our comments again because your tangent made no sense to the context I was spouting.
Mystifio was saying: Darius was saying: Dante was saying: Idk if this is just pure fanboy or cell was really caught off-guard or if they somehow got an off-page zenkai but after all the pages i feel like he should've noticed the other Gohan approach, and maybe notice them leave at the end. What's your opinion?
To be fair both gohans did die on screen. If zenkai is outside of the potential spell then both gohans may have did another jump in power. If zenkai raises potential like it raises battle power then Gohan definitely stronger then cell. The real question is how strong was the zenkai. Is it vegeta after goku level where he went from what 18000 to 22000 or is it goku after ginyu were goku goes from 90000 to 3mil. Considering gohan rarely trains the zenkai cap that goku and vegeta aren't able to abuse for some reason (I don't know why but it is one of the fails of super) gohan should be able to use.
You do remember Cell died as well, right? If they did get a Zenkai, then unless Buu explicitly didn’t give Cell one, there’s no reason why he wouldn’t have gotten one. Cell was also beaten up pretty rough. I’d say that he and both Gohans would’ve gotten the same/very similar Zenkai boost. The difference in power between any one of the Gohans and Cell would pretty much be the same as before (though in my opinion, U16 Gohan would be stronger since he had to deal with, and train, Bra, for probably a few years.
kiobruh was saying: I somewhat like this page. Very funny and a cute interaction. Almost looks like the gohans will "take advantage" and double team cell.
So really what does it mean to be pure of heart? If gohan, chi chi, goku, that one villager from early dragon ball, and maybe goten and Pan are all Pure of heart then who else is. Is cell pure of heart? Is buu or a version of buu? Being good never had anything to do with being pure of heart from the beginning, so what does it mean?
If goku's blood is the only thing you need to be pure of heart? In that case cell is pure of heart. If it only means that you can not be easily swayed toward altered actions then I guess goku would still be pure of heart, but why would Gohan be too? Or wouldn't trunks be pure of heart and Vegeta after the buu ark too.
It's all too messy and the fact that so many characters are both considered "good" and "pure of heart" has broken the concept. Either that or Goku being able to still be a bad person without having any faults in his character is the real problem and why toriyama shouldn't have used that wording. Either that or the concept tells you about his own psychology and how terrible people could be considered the most pure hearted and good people could loose their bodies after they die.
From what I understand, being pure of heart is when you’re good, and more.
By that I mean that you have to be good, so having compassion, no selfishness, and no sadisticness.
I say more because in Dragon Ball, both Bulma and Roshi couldn’t ride the Nimbus. For Bulma, it was probably how self-centered/egocentric she was, and for Roshi because the dude was just very perverted. Both of them were good, but because of those things they weren’t considered pure.
Goku lost his Saiyan memories as a child (and probably left some brain damage) and was raised by Gohan, in a natural environment. Gohan would have taught him to be kind to all living things, since he never even saw a girl he had no lust, and hitting his head as a child basically got rid of all selfish and sadistic impulses.
Vegeta started off possibly being as bad as Frieza. He had to be beaten by those he considered weaklings, fall in love and and shown compassion (no one else would’ve let a galactic mass murderer live on their planet) to finally let go of his pride (at least to a certain degree) and sacrifice himself to (try to) save his loved ones. Vegeta has been shown that he was wrong, and he has found a peaceful live on Earth. Even when provoked by U13 Vegeta, he didn’t give in to his old ways.
Cell, there’s no way in HFIL that he’s pure of heart. He’s massacared multiple planets, possibly out of boredom or pleasure (or looking for a challenge). He also has no one to show him the light like with Vegeta. Also, as we just saw, Gohan called Cell out for him acting selfishly during the Budokai. He murdered both Videls just so Gohan would fight him.
With Buu, the Good Buu that exists in U18 should be pure of heart. He was literally split from his evilness.
My point was that not all zenkai are created equal. That's why I brought up the difference between goku and vegeta zenkai. Were goku became just about 34 x stronger then he was when he got beat in the ginyu fight (base goku was 90,000 and that one fight pushed him to 3mil.) compared to vegeta who only got a meesly 1.3 times as strong from that battle on earth (vegeta was I think 18000 to 25000). Hell even cell zenkai made him badass but he was still weaker then ss2 weakened gohan. Granted his zenkai had to encapsulate the missing android 18. So you could say that his zenkai put in a shit ton of work and that would be fair but whether it would be comparable to gohans is up to the writer. In fact this gives the writer a lot of headway.
"If zenkai is outside of the potential spell then both gohans may have did another jump in power." I was kinda referring to this.
Now I just feel like a dumbass again.
Only one Gohan got a Zenkai. The other died.
I like this because it's also a clear reminder that Gohan kills Cell more often than Cell kills Gohan.
DB Multiverse page 1892
Gohan doesn't have a bitter bone in his body.
Except for Nappa. And Frieza. And the Ginyus. And Cell. And Buu.
Bra and Bojack are totes fine tho
DB Multiverse page 1890
Except for Nappa. And Frieza. And the Ginyus. And Cell. And Buu.
Bra and Bojack are totes fine tho
A LOT of people are debating whether Vegito is wrong or if Bra is wrong. They're both wrong. They've evil people. They even made a point of highlighting how Vegeta and Goku approach Bra and comparing it directly to Vegito.
Vegeta:
Goku:
Vegito:
All three in one page:
Vegito lacks Vegeta's honor and Goku's patience and goodwill. We're left with a bitter, hateful coward with a hero complex and a hammer with which he addresses all of his problems.
Edit: One last thing, Gotenks's excuse for Bra being "surprised" is bullshit. Cell had no idea what was trying to control him and his 8% Vegeta DNA was still plenty to overpower it. Bra is just evil. 4 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 1889
Vegeta:
Goku:
Vegito:
All three in one page:
Vegito lacks Vegeta's honor and Goku's patience and goodwill. We're left with a bitter, hateful coward with a hero complex and a hammer with which he addresses all of his problems.
Edit: One last thing, Gotenks's excuse for Bra being "surprised" is bullshit. Cell had no idea what was trying to control him and his 8% Vegeta DNA was still plenty to overpower it. Bra is just evil. 4 Replie(s)
Man it's weird seeing Goku all on-model like this. It's been forever! I really enjoyed Evil Bra, but I missed the lighter tone. Poor Uub. Goku's gonna clap the lil guy.
DB Multiverse page 1886
Okay, I've been following this comic for years and I love it, but that was a dumb feat to give Broly. It really wasn't necessary, it didn't add anything to the story, and it easily could have been replaced with the star Buu mentioned earlier. Invincible or not, Broly has organs, and they aren't gonna work after getting spaghettified.
DB Multiverse page 1884
SSJ Your Nick was saying:
Yeah fuck Fat Buu.
For real. Dude's been demoted to Potara that spreads like butter.
IceFire2050 was saying:
SupremeFusionGogito was saying: To think there are so many tricks in Buu's collective arsenal and all he's been doing was punching Broly. No arm-stretch into Instant Transmission into the sun like a kamikaze teleport? Salagir is absolutely braindead.
Instant Transmission doesn't just let you teleport wherever you want. You have to teleport to someone. So unless Buu wants to bring Broly to Namek, Instant Transmission isn't really all that useful.
Also, you're acting like this fight matters. We know the outcome. This is just fluff. If Buu won here, they'd be at the tournament and not Broly.
Instant Transmission doesn't just let you teleport wherever you want. You have to teleport to someone. So unless Buu wants to bring Broly to Namek, Instant Transmission isn't really all that useful.
Also, you're acting like this fight matters. We know the outcome. This is just fluff. If Buu won here, they'd be at the tournament and not Broly.
What the hell are ANY of you talking about? Buu just got done planning to do this very thing using the Kaioshin teleport and a better star. This was like six pages ago. 1 Replie(s)
Unless the Buunicopia is in extremely bad shape, this should only kill Uub.
DB Multiverse page 1879
I just realized that last frame is a direct reference to Kaioken Goku punching Vegeta.
DB Multiverse page 1878
Monster was saying:
I'm surprised no one is pointing this out.
UUb is a little stronger than Goten and Trunks.
Once one of the saiyan went super then Uub was outclassed.
If super is a 50x multiplier....what kaioken is Uub using that can cause Broly to even notice?
UUb is a little stronger than Goten and Trunks.
Once one of the saiyan went super then Uub was outclassed.
If super is a 50x multiplier....what kaioken is Uub using that can cause Broly to even notice?
Actually that's a really solid point. Wasn't Goku fighting him as a Super Saiyan 3 by the beginning of GT? This Uub is kind of shit. 1 Replie(s)
You know what the sad part is? They could have held his attention and had Buu turn him to candy. This is peak dipshittery and utterly in character for these guys. Doubly so in the "end of Z"/pre-GT timeline where they float in purgatory for like ten years instead of getting god ki and psychic typing
Budokai 3 said Goku capped out at x20, maybe that?
DB Multiverse page 1877
Nero_Angelo was saying:
okay I need to ask now: WHAT IS KAIOKEN MAX? In this comic when they use Kaioken, they often say it is the "KAIOKEN MAX" or "MAXIUM KAIOKEN"...
But what the EFF is the MAXIMUM? 50x? 100x? 1000x?
How are we supposed to know how powerful someone get's with maximum Kaioken, if we don't know what the Maximum is? D=
But what the EFF is the MAXIMUM? 50x? 100x? 1000x?
How are we supposed to know how powerful someone get's with maximum Kaioken, if we don't know what the Maximum is? D=
Budokai 3 said Goku capped out at x20, maybe that?
chronobuger was saying:
Even Bra and Vegetto, as much of a Sue as they are, have personalities to them.
This is a massive understatement. They're pretty much evil. I actually really enjoy the characters now. I hope it holds.
Superman55aa was saying:
Dumbass.
Don't inner monologue for TOO LONG. Just do it.
Don't inner monologue for TOO LONG. Just do it.
Gohan gonna Gohan.
Man this is gonna come crashing down hard when Goku's SS3 burns out and Gotenks turns back into the dipshits.
1 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 1872
Honestly he doesn't seem to be making any progress, and it's all gonna go to shit the instant Goku's SS3 burns out.
DB Multiverse page 1870
Ma Jr was saying:
PMC was saying: Why is he using blunt force attacks? Unbelievable.
Gohan
Gohan
300% this. He's fucking around and he'll never finish the job this way
Shabby was saying:
I hoped the first attack would do more.
Hoping Buu has Kaioken now and uses it, if he can't directly invoke super saiyan.
Hoping Buu has Kaioken now and uses it, if he can't directly invoke super saiyan.
It's much worse than that. Goku is already at Super Saiyan 3. Buu is on a short timer. Remember Buutenks?
1 Replie(s)
Okay, I gotta say it. This Buu is goofy. There's also a 50/50 chance it sounds like fat Buu. That's not Rogeru and Salagir's fault though! Buu is just kind of like that. It should also probably be less powerful than Vegito. We're talking Buuhan plus Goku and Vegeta, minus Goten and Trunks, and minus evil Buu. Buu 's absorption doesn't seem to "multiply" power the way fusion does. It seems to stack absorbed power on top of its own, so Goku and Vegeta in this body will be nowhere near as powerful as Vegito. It's also likely to lose a lot of power when Goku drops out of SS3 in about 90 seconds. I also think this special is trying to establish Vegito as the absolute minimum required to deal with a Broly that got an extra zenkai. He might not even get one here. He doesn't seem to be struggling at all.
Basically I think everyone saying "how could this Buu lose" don't really understand how powerful Vegito was when he happened, and forgot what happened to Buutenks. 1 Replie(s)
DB Multiverse page 1868
Basically I think everyone saying "how could this Buu lose" don't really understand how powerful Vegito was when he happened, and forgot what happened to Buutenks. 1 Replie(s)
This Buu will have an edge until Goku can't sustain SS3 anymore. After that Buu will start getting stomped.
DB Multiverse page 1867
Shabby was saying:
It's literally the plan that killed Broly.
1 Replie(s)
I want full on fighting. This plan is dumb :/
Hoo boy that's bad. I estimated him at Buutenks, but Buutenks couldn't deflect something like that. I'd actually put him at Buu saga base Vegito.
DB Multiverse page 1860
Sucks they were built for Goku just to have the entirety of Namek roll up with a combined power level of "eat shit." But Gero builds in fours, and one eats the others. I'm curious what else is going to show up.