Bravo artwork and storytelling I guess Bulma lied about Gohan dying due to seriously wanting Gas help. And Gohan hides his identity since he is a Target under Gero and a random hero chicken man wouldn’t be.

But how is Gohan able to transform into SSJ if he had no knowledge of the form.

If memory serves me correctly he first found out about ssj from Vegeta in ginyu saga and seeing it with his own eyes through his dad in frieza battle. So how is Gohan able to transform now ?

But I remember Vegeta in this universe after Gas let him go months later had achieved the form and killed ginyu force just a few months after frieza saga in Gas verse. But he unconsciously had awakened it. Due to him having battle wounds and scratches on himself he must have fought them in base form then unconsciously awakened the form and killed then mid battle. As he says “so this is the legendary form” before he says it wasn’t enough to surpass Gas.

So maybe Gohan unconsciously awakened it too.

Gohan makes no sense. Gast was literally standing right in front of him, he absolutely would have known that either by energy or mind reading.

Vash was saying: Why the android does not have built in communication? Still need a landline to call the boss? ????
mAc Chaos was saying: Vash was saying: Why the android does not have built in communication? Still need a landline to call the boss? ????
well, its not like 19 and 20 had built in comms
瘦布欧 was saying: How nostalgic the cyborg is calling his boss thru landline for instructions but the boss is watching videos feed from his cyborgs' cameras.
siksteen was saying: These dudes are ultra powerfull and can even tank EMPs, but they need to use phones to talk to Gero lol
Salagir was saying: All the guys about phones: why are you so worked up? This is Toriyama's technology. The cyborgs are just human people who are super powerful. They aren't computers (A16 is, that's why he has a energy detector). Actually, I gave them more "computer powers" than Toriyama ever did: they can detect IMPs, and Gero did backups of himself
"Hey, we already send everything we see to the base. Gero can watch our every move."
"Yes."
"Then why don't we have two way communication? Seems like a pretty big design oversight."

Why the android does not have built in communication? Still need a landline to call the boss? ????

I mean, sure, technology doesn't advance in the same way everywhere, but Dr. Gero's androids supersede pretty much all of the Frieza Force's tech, which seemed better than that of Thorn's homeworld. I find it hard to believe that bro is just "that good" at this one specific relevant thing, especially moreso than the super genius scientist that's been working at this for decades(?)

Some people say Thorn could theoretically not be smarter than Bulma and Gero in some contexts or given some alternative scenarios where they get to learn from another world. But I find it incredibly hard to see this as anything other than a cope if you have to imagine alternate scenarios to try to make people swallow the multiple times Thorn has basically ridiculed these characters.

Bulma getting tech-mogged is pretty cringe. I could've sworn this dude came from a magic medieval fantasy-styled planet, too. Lame character with lame execution.

Honestly I think Broly would be at such a high level that it's no stretch he can break through a Mafuba.

AberrantDesign was saying: Majin Wasabi was saying: bYep, all those “mistakes” are within character, them just being retarded because “they had to lose” isn’t
This situation isn't too far away from what happens normally

Frieza - A galactic tyrant with strength far above Goku's own (Impossible to fight head on)
Androids - A pair of Androids with infinite stamina, with the goal of wearing down their opponent in a direct fight (Not a good idea to fight head on)
Hit - An assassin with the ability to stop/skip time, making it impossible to block his attacks or reliably hit him (Impossible to fight head on)
DBBW Broly - A legendary Saiyan who's invincible and grows in power over time (Impossible to fight head on)

DBZ Goku - Gonna get more powerful and try to hit him like. Really hard (Super Saiyan)
Piccolo - Gonna get more powerful and try to hit them like. Really hard (Kami Fusion)
DBS Goku - Gonna get more powerful and try to hit him like. Really hard (Blue Kaioken)
DBBW Goku - Gonna get more powerful and try to hit him like. Really hard (Years of training)

DBZ Outcome - Turns out the legendary form gives enough big strong guy energy to beat Frieza
DBZ Outcome - Fought 17 in a battle of attrition, but was interrupted, although somehow it was working
DBS Outcome - Somehow, as it turns out with no prior foreshadowing, being really really strong makes you immune to timeskip
DBBW Outcome - Turns out hitting something really really hard doesn't work when their skillset makes them immune to being hit really really hard

The only difference is they lost here, really. "Hitting someone really really hard" is really their only plan.
In any case, any plan that's just "Let's hit him really really hard" is in character for Goku, since really all he cares about is getting a good fight, no matter the risk. I wouldn't consider it out of character for Goku to let Broly live here anyway and try to teach him to control the form so he can get another good fight later, frankly. It's more out of character for him to make any sort of plan at all
Y’all are missing my point. I would be okay with it if Goku, Vegeta, Gogeta, or anyone showed signs of wanting to have a good fight or showed that they were enjoying themselves. All the examples you mentioned show the fighters with some level of confidence, enjoyment in the battle or wanting to improve.

But in the Broly comic, the characters are portrayed as completely serious and desperate to kill Broly by any means necessary. We're told that they spent a whole year planning the easiest and most “cheap” way to just end him.

Toriyama always makes sure to show Goku's, Vegeta's, or even Gohan's pride and enjoyment when they do something reckless or "stupid." That pride is part of who they are—but this comic completely ignores that, and still delivers a terrible plan. That’s the point.

Also, all what you mention, Goku had confidence in him winning by first going head on and then adapting and winning, he IS a battle GENIUS and that’s what makes fighting exiting for him—but this time, they knew it wouldn’t work with Broly (at least this version of him) he is invunerable and every second wasted he becomes more and more dangerous. Vegetto from the tournament knew it, Zen Buu knew it, Gohan and Piccolo knew it. But somehow everyone in u20 forgot after just being killed by him and having fought him several times before?

Gogeta was as serious as he could possibly be. He started the fight in SSJ3 and never showed any signs of enjoying himself or just messing around. He can be a prideful hardhead, sure—but when it’s time to get serious, he’s as reliable as they come (just look at the DBS Broly movie or the Janemba movie).

Mustard was saying: We found the lie!
What do you mean?

Shot in the dark here, Videl is using the helmet from the end of the last special chapter to control #28's body. Her moves but in an Android body would pack much more of a punch.

bYep, all those “mistakes” are within character, them just being retarded because “they had to lose” isn’t

Granted, this doesn't work because he'd die and then just gain infinite power in Hell since this is filler hell...

I’ll just be a broken record if I bring up points must comment se toon have done. So I’ll break it to a few points:

Even though it’s a concept no one asked for, it did have some promise but was ruined not just by poor use of characters with some existing just so they can have a one liner at a rival but some of the pages were frankly, terrible. Unfinished, poor scaling and using refrences do apprent the fact they show first thing on google images gives an idea how rushed this was.

Blame can’t be on sayazur for ruining his own work, it should had been rejected by salagir till there was some quality to it. Even if some if the artists could not do any better, the pages that had just flat colouring and no shading even was bad.

There are about four websites and three discord servers that have Dbm as a topic, all of them can’t agree on if the main story of Dbm is good but all do agree that this was a very poor story that has bruised the credibility of its main artist and leads but it also could had been prevented if they tried to revise the work and story and not rush it for what is a non-canon explanation to Dbm broly.

Zen Kuu was saying: Teleported_Bread was saying: No, this comic is supposed to take place after Broly was sent back to his universe, right?
If that were the case, this comic would make a little more sense (Still heavily flawed, but slightly better) but no. It’s clearly stated that this comic explains how Broly ended up frozen before the Vargas found him in U20.(Page 1) Sayazur first comment.
I'm was pretty sure it took place after everyone failed to destroy Broly at the center of the Galaxy. In the Otherworld, while going over the plan, they mentioned absorption and fusion as if they tried it already like they did in the special, if I recall correctly

Technically, they even won. Broly was literally disintegrated along with Buu. But, of course, Broly had plot on his side, so this didn't kill him, somehow.

YellNinja1600 was saying: The sad ending of universe 20. I always thought Broly was frozen due to wandering space so long. But to be frozen inanimated due to being responsible for a universe destruction is crazy work. So when he was sent back to universe 20 is he just turned to ice again since there is nothing in the reality of universe 20 anymore neither life and death.
No, this comic is supposed to take place after Broly was sent back to his universe, right?

I think that U5 XXI chosing to wish for gaining time manipulation hax powers would not cause U5 XXI's Eternal Dragon to have a sweat drop.

Page 2450 confirmed that U5 XXI had already read the DBM tournament participants's minds, when U5 XXI was show to already know about what the U19 Heliotes wanted to wish for

U18 Kid Goku is not GT Kid Goku.

The dragon went from standing confidently to hunched over to asking “ is that a request to me “ with a sweat drop… I think XXI just found a loop hole

Guessing XXI is going to take the dragons power and leave the dragon ball’s inert.

The issue with DBM however is the bracket is too damn big compared to DB just running a Top 8, then the other problem is DBM focuses alot on building up other universes and characters, even though that were long since eliminated and bar no relevance.

AberrantDesign was saying: Award for Stopping Buu's Second Rampage
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page 1990

I guess this Varga is responsible for the tech, but the page where they get rid of Buu is page 2059. She shows up explaining on page 2061.
Just to add more info :)

jdfree was saying: Anyone else feel like that last panel foreshadows a Men-In-Black neuralyzer for the whole audience?

Or an all expense paid trip to Spacey's.

I called it when I said that Zarya deserves a "The resistance against Babidi's attack!" award/trophy.

Zarya has a depressed/disappointed expression, which is not surprising considering that Zarya was denied her deserved award/trophy. Of course, Zarya begrudgingly resigned herself to said "It's not important..." about being denied her deserved award/trophy, because she knows that she cannot do anything about it.

Imo the real "problem" is still making a story about DBM Broly in the first place, which is a challenge in itself, because he's just so god damn overpowered. Yes, I still dislike the DBM version of Broly a lot. He needs at least one real weakness and the whole "shock him out of the LSSJ" doesn't really seem to work anymore on him at this point.

That's great they didn't leave her.
I thought last time. Description of comic says it's about first SSayian God, but there are no even SSJ1 yet. We'll get a big timeskip, or comic is long? :)

Osha was saying: Joey21 was saying: Do we get an award for most patient fanbase
Why, it's not like this place would win it lmao
LMAO, definitely not! :D

AberrantDesign was saying: Slug's not canon here
He appeared in a U13 special (Page 1704)

As for Gast's wish, Gast still has the option of fusing with U7 Lord Slug using U7 Lord Slug's body as the base for the fusion if U7 Lord Slug is still alive and not fused with anyone yet, because U7 Lord Slug is a Dragon Clan Namekian. Or failing that, Gast can just chose to visit U7 Planet Slug and live together with those U7 evil mutated Namekians who live on U7 Planet Slug.

U8 Frieza is happy that he won two awards, while every other DBM tournament participant only won one honorary award or no award at all.

It would be great if these awards pages had links to go back to those fights.

Since you felt the need to emphasize again how much you dislike the release rhythm of DBM, I have to ask... How exactly is this chapter "filler"? Have you seen the whole chapter already?

After two hours pass in-universe U5 XXI's Dragon Balls would recharge and then he can use them again to make a wish. Maybe he wishes to take over U16 Vegetto's body either indirectly via Majinization spell or directly via possession or absorption or Body Change technique.

If U16 Vegetto uses Instant Transmission outside of a tournament match, he risks getting send back to his universe for getting mistaken for trying to attack someone. When U16 Vegetto used Instant Transmission when he fought Ginyu, U16 Vegetto got away with it because Babidi was distrating the organizers via majinizing the villains.

Because U16 Bra retained the majin boost, because her base form was not muscular before she got majinized

I kinda hate using the "dragon balls can fix most dragon ball issues" argument, but they seem to have 700 dragon balls and no visible restrain on using them, so if they wanted to check they just gotta ask the magic dragon which one is actually saying the truth.

Not at all: the Kaiohshin, who are the supreme ruler of the tournament and whose Authority is the highest one in the tournament, can check if Gast is telling the truth or not, and he obviously is. As for XXI, I’K’L could read his mind so he is not as almighty as he is supposed to be (on the contrary, actually) so the Kaiohshin could check him too. At any rate, Yamcha and the old Kaiohshin should heed the call and speak their mind as well

hetap was saying: So, I guess Gast is not going to tell everyone how XXI continued to attack/consume him after forfeiting? Because it should be obvious to him that XXI is evil and that he is an uncontrollable evil threat. One that SHOULD BE DISQUALIFIED ALREADY. I mean I would not like that to be what happens, it would be lame, but it bugs me that it is just being ignored that it happened. The rules need to be consistent for the stakes to stay high.

I kind of agree that it should have been addressed, with Goku simply saying he doesn’t care and still wants to fight XXI, allowing the tournament to continue.

Zen Kuu was saying: I feel like XXI needs more than 1 wish, very very curious what he wants to wish for, he seems very calculated and intelligent, so my guess is that his wishes must be very special ones

He'll probably wish to be able to access the multiverse

What was the purpose of this page?! Did Bra just Instant Transmission the heck outta there or where did she disappear to?!

Universe 10? But thats the universe of the saiyans and namekians who left very early on. So that should be..... empty.

There is nothing on that Universe ???????? it's just a waste off time...

U13 Raditz had a match on the DBM tournament that he lost, thus he is a DBM tournament participant.

I would say no.

gohan didn't inherit gokus lust for battle, and neither did his other son.

and thats also true of most children, they shouldn't inherit all of the qualities of their fathers, for example, I didn't become a coal miner like my dad, or a soldier.

That doesn't really justify it.

That's specifically why I said even AFTER the mind control, she could've fought back. That page was to garter sympathy for Bra for her behavior in a way that made no sense. We know for a fact Vegeta was capable of fighting back. Supreme Kai himself said you can if your thoughts are pure, so page 1828 made 0 sense to me and is just to make Vegito look like a bad father when he's been completely correct in his judgement.

The reason you don't understand actually, is Bra could've fought the mind control off. She VOLUNTARILY gave into the ecstasy of Babidi's spell. Even after she allowed the spell to resolve, she could've fought back to some degree at least, like Majin Vegeta did, but she didn't and chose to murder everyone instead..

Oh, everyone who disagrees with me about a character is very often, if not always, irrational. Also, let me list all the qualities of a character that may lead someone to have a different opinion than I do while I call them completely irrational.

My fellow Earthicans, this is a comic, and it is okay if someone rationally or irrationally hates or loves a character. Our pearls are not going anywhere. I may like octopus on pizza, and you may not. Whether you do or not doesn't change my enjoyment of pizza. I can read 100k comments that say octopus on pizza is awful, and I will still enjoy my pizza. Substitute Bra for pizza, and you get octopus on Bra. She would probably look cute with octopus on her.

I meant that it doesn't matter if all of you had a different opinion on her. It means you have different tastes and see things differently. It doesn't mean you are irrational necessarily; it provides no evidence either way on that question. I don't have to justify liking or disliking anyone. I have dated girls that I couldn't explain why I liked them (I am lying; I imagined dating...). She just had it going on, and even today years after going our separate ways, I just like her. I know she has flaws, and there are legit criticisms I have and others have of her (I did break up with her, and I would not date her again), but none of that changes how I feel no matter how well or unwell I defend my reasons for liking her. Sometimes feelings are just feelings and have justifications that even the feeler may not be aware of consciously. Many opinions do not have to refer to something objective. Liking or disliking do not refer to facts, unlike if I were to say it is my "opinion" that Bra is 48 years old. Therefore, in the liking case as opposed to the age "opinion", the liking opinion is inherently true because my opinion is my opinion. It is self-validating where age can be validated against external to the "opinion" information. (The age example is simple in order to communicate the idea. We can use different examples, but it may be less clear)

This is an insidious game that we play here. If I don't agree with your assessment of Bra, I can ask (or demand) an explanation of why you think differently. Graciously, you offer your explanation. I can always claim, even reasonably or logically, that your explanation is insufficient to justify your assessment. I can always claim that; obviously you do think it is sufficient because you hold that opinion. (This is the problem of sufficiency, and there is a great illustration of it in a book called What Achilles said to the Tortoise). I can also always reject the premise upon which you base your opinion too, but that's just opening another layer here. Basically, I can be rational in my rejection of your rationally based opinion. In other words two perfectly rational beings can rationally reject each other's arguments. This just means that unless all parties agree and engage with the same rules and limitations, communication (the transfer of one idea from one person to another) is impossible, even with a googolplexian of words.

Now, especially with media (culture) and politics (redundant I know), we have emotional and other interests in the outcome. Will something I love become something I don't love? Or will it remain something that I love? So, we will rely on the fallacy of popularity. If more people in comments agree with me, especially the mods who have authority, I am correct and rational while everyone else is irrational. But, that's a self-defeating take since it is fallacious and irrational. We have to rely on this popularity and authority take because there is no real objective test for liking or disliking a character or person. Our opinions are just as valid. Liking Bra is equally as valid as disliking her. There is no objective answer, and in this case, I think she is designed to cause controversy (if it is indeed intended I applaud the decision to do so, nothing gets the mind and passions going like controversy).

Instead of celebrating the diverse people who come to comment and share their perspectives, we must establish an orthodoxy, a correct opinion, a correct take, and the good guys vs the bad guys. You can't dislike Bra for being what she was (is) and doing what she did; that is insufficient justification and you did not express yourself in the manner and language in which I demand in order for me to validate your opinion. Sure, you can demand that I express my feelings and opinions in a certain manner, but I am not obligated to do so in order to have a true and valid opinion. My opinion in of itself is a true and valid opinion because I have it.

I understand the psychological and evolutionary biological and anthropological reasons that we are all engaged in this self-selection within the community over whether one should or should not like a character in a story, but I keep hoping to find a place (or make a place) that allows for these different opinions and allows for nuance. I bet if you asked Salagir, he would do things differently if he had the opportunity.

While I do express the above sentiments, the writers and artists are such brave and amazing people. I highly respect them for giving us a forum to discuss things, and they allow and engage with criticism (founded or unfounded). My criticisms where they are are small potatoes to the the respect I have for all who create and subject that creation to criticism. I may think we should have turned left at the last junction, but I am not driving the car...and that means something.


I have to go so I am posting unedited. I would have removed a lot if I didn't have to go. Sorry. (lightly edited for missing words and stuff)

bra, being insuferable even when she thinks she has stopped being insuferable.

her reasoning now: i couldnt win and the person that beat me couldnt win, so of course this other guy cant possibly win either so im going to go negotiate something that is not up to me to negotiate even when i should just stay in my corner and shut up

Bra doesn't have the guts to let herself get absorbed for someone else. I would be surprised if she would be that selfless a Person.

God damn it, time for the author's waifu to do something utterly retarded/evil again because she can do no wrong.

Considering the blatant favoritism around Bra at this point, especially after THAT arc, i doubt XXI will make a meal out of her (though that would be quite a surprise). Soooo let us see what kind of lunacy she concocted to just knock on XXI's door like it's a trick or treat.

Yes. Go knock on the door of an evil unknown multiversal warlock to ask for trick or treat... I mean, what can go wrong, right? Our new Son Bra, everyone ~

Can we not for this one time please?

Yes, ditto, please, wth

Feels like shes being used solely for plot. She has to know it’s going to piss Vegetto off, likely adding more fuel to his fire overall. Asking an opponent who beat him unscrupulously, “please can we have a wish” = bro ain’t gonna be happy.

Also not a fan of Bra just packing it in and accepting no way to win. Also calls into question why XXI didn’t absorb Vegetto when they fought. Something tells me he couldn’t.

Yes. Go knock on the door of an evil unknown multiversal warlock to ask for trick or treat... I mean, what can go wrong, right?

Our new Son Bra, everyone ~

仅是剑客 was saying: Wasn't Bra believe Janemba was weak? https://w...393.html#h_read
She really has became a clown as her father now.
Goku is better to learn from Gast and Uub instead of listening to her.

How convenient of you showing the page before Janemba showing his digital warp reality altering skill.

16 Bra already knows what U18 Goku is capable of including but not limited to not only knowing that ssj0 grants a speed boost to the user but also knowing that ssj0 last less than a second, because except for the notable exception of knowing how to transform into the ssj0 transformation, U16 Vegetto already knows almost all of U18 Goku's techniques and already taught almost all of U18 Goku's techniques to U16 Bra.

Even if for one second (which is how long the ssj0 transformation lasts) the ssj0 transformation somehow made U18 ssj0 Goku stronger than U16 base Vegetto is and then U18 ssj0 Goku successfully used that raw power to successfully quickly defeat U5 XXI's elderly man form, the ssj0 transformation would still not give U18 ssj0 Goku the hax required to defeat U5 XXI's true form.

So far none of the mortal characters from DBM were show to be capable of using multiversal techniques. The only multiversal technique show on DBM is U9 Elder Kai being able to use his crystal ball to get visions from events that could potentially happen on Universe 13, however U9 Elder Kai is not a mortal.

Normal Super Saiyan/ssj0 removes most stamina drain in the sense that the user can still fight after the user returns to their base form after Normal Super Saiyan/ssj0 wears out, however the Normal Super Saiyan/ssj0 transformation itself actually last even less than the DBM version of ssj3 does, as show and proven by Normal Super Saiyan/Ssj0 lasting even less than the DBM version of ssj3 does. Normal Super Saiyan/ssj0 was actually show to last less than a second.

How about Gast tells Goku that XXI can absorb any blast like android 19 did?
How about telling Goku that XXI claims to be immortal and not even a living being?
How about telling Goku that XXI's literal attacks with fists and splitters were easily to defend, even in a weakened state?
How about avoiding the smoke that would fry Goku on impact?

The more Goku knows, the better for him.

It still stands to reason that Goku is well equipped to avoid this smoke attack, and that reason is IT. Gast had no easy way to get out of it because he'd ultimately have to move through it, but Goku's instant transmission means he can escape it pretty much at will

You know, since some years ago since a certain page, every time Son Bra says something like this (or really, almost every time she says anything), I almost don't wanna look at the comments section, cause she has such a hate brigade behind her that's so weirdly strong it's incredibly unhealthy. When haters aren't going as far as to victim blame her, some readers will suddenly turn into critics, like, now when they didn't see any writing issues before, as if her having a panel is triggering. Like, for example, now somebody has a problem with a character saying that and you're wondering what it'd possibly contribute to the story? I don't know, can we find out, please? There wasn't an issue with waiting for an answer, before.
But I'm not angry. I'm just saying my piece, because it's so bizarre.

Anyways, from a certain point of view, Son Bra is right. And she knows her limits better than anyone; If she somehow managed to scrape a victory against a warrior sage like Gast, Janemba alone would have wiped the floor with her. But she's thinking of negotiation for a wish with XXI for a few reasons. Let's not forget that she hadn't had the best mentor; Vegito has a lot of problems, among them being cynical. And she's supposed to be stronger than him, a guy with a godlike level of power. They're both used to things going their way, meaning they'd naturally be more prone to deeming something as impossible, unlike U18 Goku and his friends, who are used to overcoming otherwise impossible odds and therefore have more experience in realizing there's always another way around an obstacle in their path. Asking for a wish is also on her mind because she doesn't fully realize how evil XXI really is. It's not cause she's stupid or whatever - she and really about everybody else here have simply never encountered a being of such a level of malevolence before. Meanwhile, she doubts Goku's victory mainly because she knows little to nothing about Goku and Vegeta's new powers (what are we calling them? Super Saiyan Zero?), and frankly, neither do we. We don't know how it'd work on somebody like XXI, let alone a magic practitioner. As the cherry on top, Son Bra seems a bit desperate to get a wish. No hate but a part of me wonders if she wants to use one for herself, and it isn't just cause she promised her universe would give another team their wish. Given her current life and how hellish it can get, I can't say I blame her for wanting... something. Maybe she wants her power sealed so she can live a more normal life like her U18 counterpart? Maybe she wants to get away from her biological father somehow, who's teetering closer and closer to a psychotic meltdown from his ever worsening insanity and god complex. I guess we'll find out more soon.

As for XXI himself, somebody here suggested his power may have been diminished, and likely that's why he's angry. I think that's possible, too. It's also possible he's pissed he failed, or he's mad at himself for giving into his gluttony (or two of these, or all three).

Leveler was saying: I'm sorry, Bra wouldn't have been able to beat Janemba?
This is a person who can trash Mystic level opponents in one hit and it was clear that she outclassed Gast in overall power. Even going to level one lets her break free from Zen Buu's binding which is more on Vegitos level.
I don't see any signs of modifications to Janemba either so what gives?
I'm just saying so but this is what I'm talking about, btw, with Son Bra's character...

She admitted herself she can't beat Gast because Gast can read her mind. She realized that no matter what strategy she would think of, he'd know it and come up with a counter. That's why she forfeited her match with him in the first place. She was praised afterwards cause the decision to concede was intelligent and mature, and it was, over throwing caution to the wind and all that.
Gast also has the entirety of the Namekian people in him, along with their collective intelligence and wisdom alone, not counting the years of experiences he had afterwards.

Ssj0 was show to have the major weakness of lasting even less than the DBM version of ssj3 does. That is a case of characters's statements getting proven wrong by characters's actual feats.

Character's statements said that ssj0 is supposedly "energy efficient", however characters's actual feats showed us that ssj0 lasted even less than the DBM version of ssj3 does. If ssj0 cannot even last as long as the DBM version of ssj3 does then ssj0 is only useful if a fight does not last more than 1 second.

U5 XXI's smoke attack is an area of effect attack that Gast was not able to dodge despite his speed and ability to teleport. Super speed by itself does not help against dodging area of effect attacks unless there is enough room/space for a super speed user to quickly move away from the range of an area of effect attack.

I need to reread the Janemba fight. Was Janemba actually named?

Damian Qualshy was saying: I wonder why is he in such turmoil and hope Gast will uncover his true nature.
Actually, everyone should understand that if Gast declared forfeit but ended up this bad, it means he WAS damaged after, and THAT means the rules were broken. We think it was instantaneous between two panels, but it might've as well taken a few seconds between Gast screaming and Vargas declaring XXI the winner. Few seconds where the rules were not honored. Few seconds that could disqualify XXI and bring the victory to Gast (either that or for some reason GOKU wins by default because Gast forfeited).

The question is tho... Do the rules say not to attack after they give up, or after the winner of the bout is announced? Because there is a clear distinction with that, that could be brought up here.

Ok but if being healed a little bit after almost being entirely consumed and still having 70% of his body burned or missing is enough for Gast to fully heal himself... why didn't he do that after the fight against Janemba?

He could've healed himself fully and had a better chance at fighting XXI. I don't get why he couldn't then but he can now.

Friendly reminder that a Genki Dama failed to kill Saiyan Saga Vegeta, because even when U18 Vegeta was evil he (U18 Vegeta) was not pure evil, thus that Genki Dama failed to kill U18 Vegeta.

Friendly reminder that during Namek Saga when Goku tried to use a Genki Dama to kill Frieza, it failed to kill Frieza despite Frieza being pure evil at the time, because that Genki Dama was only partially charged, because not only Goku was too tired at the time to fully charge it but also because Planet Namek at the time did not have enough living beings to fully charge a Genki Dama, because most of Planet Namek living beings were killed during Planet Namek Cataclysm, which is why Goku borrowed energy from all of the living beings of the whole galaxy to charge that Genki Dama, and even then Goku was too tired (because of kaioken usage) at the time to fully charge that Genki Dama, thus that Genki Dama failed to kill Frieza.

Friendly reminder that during Buu Saga when Goku tried to use a Genki Dama to kill Kid Buu, the first time that Genki Dama touched Kid Buu it did not kill Kid Buu despite Kid Buu being pure evil at the time, because ssj3 Goku was too tired at the time to be able to fully charge that Genki Dama, thus the Dragon Balls were used to wish to restore ssj3 Goku's stamina to help ssj3 Goku fully charge that Genki Dama.

I believe that you misenterpreted my question. I meant, would eating a namekian be considered an act of veganism?

hetap was saying: Man I hope this was part of some plan Gast had. Because between Buu killing him and XXI making him look like a terrified child, he has been knocked down to look like a wimp almost as much as Vegito has.

You guys are impossible, either they win all the time and are boring, or they suffer a pair of losses and suddenly they are chumps, there's no middle ground with you even though they are obviously trying...

These pages are legit depressing

Damn!!!! XXI is scary! Now I understand Elder Kai

To see such terror and desperation on Gast's face... it really says a lot about how menacing this foe is.

Salagore was saying: LongTime55 was saying:
Just a little theory what if this fight is a draw? No one can see XXI or Gast, or sense them. 30 seconds go by, and click-aboom. No contest, meaning Goku wins..
I’ve seen that theory in several comments, but just like Goku vs Uub, where both ended in a double KO and didn’t get up within 30 seconds, wouldn’t it be the same here? After 30 seconds of not seeing either of them, the first one to appear wins? Just a thought

Captain Carbonite was saying: I know a lot of people have covered this but he really does not look like he is in pain… he looks like he is charging a mouth beam.. I’m not sure Ghast has actually fired his attack by the end of this page.
Not sure how he would be in pain, he wasnt even hit yet. Seems more like a counter-attack or some kind of Kirby absorbing power, idk.

Gogetto was saying: So remember when Zen Buu immobilized Gast? Why can't XXI do the same thing? Does he maybe know that it won't work a second time on Gast? I just think that if Zen Buu could pull it off XXI should be able to also. Plus XXI prob asked his eternal dragons for a way to beat gast (or w.e those things are that gave him the button to shut off 18).

When XXI said at the beginning of the match that he had no way of beating Gast automatically, he didn't necessarily mean he didn't have a way of beating him ultimately. I just find it hard to believe the true villain of this story loses before he fights the main protag. Gast and XXI v Goku would give us the best of both worlds for a final match
On page 2110, XXI's dragon says that he can't give him those techniques that Buu used to kill Gast, because "they are way beyond his abilities."

You need to stop thinking that specific souls influence Janemba's strength. He's not strong because he has the souls of certain characters but simply because he's purely evil. Frieza's soul without his body is no stronger than the soul of the farmer killed by Raditz.

Alepoletti was saying: Females was saying: First time seeing XXI in some kind of pain. I hope we get a better reveal of what he looks like without the smoke (unless that's just part of what he is).
I'm afraid to tell you that that doesn't look like pain

Yeah, looks like he's prepping a mouth beam

I'm really curious as to why he doesn't use this until Gast and why he seems to be taking so much time here. In other words, he's actually trying to fight Gast first, when he could start consuming right away.

Kemans? I think I missed this reference.

Friendly reminder that U7 Gast was show to have Cell level unlimited regeneration when he (U7 Gast) fought U17 Cell, which is a trait that had to have come from someone he (U7 Gast) had fused with. Well, DBM did said that U7 Gast is a fusion of every U7 Namekian who was still alive during the U7 Namek Saga, which would include U7 Cell.

Can’t he heal himself now?? Janemba is gonna so no more evil aura right?

ZGrssd was saying:
What is your plan? And how does it not end with you being beaten up by Janemba?

Ah.. disqualification? Someone else is doing the fighting for XXI? People payed (?) to see Gast VS XXI not Gast VS Janemba. Either summoned Janemba from the begging of the tournament and have him participate like a normal fighter or get out. Imagine Gast just throwing a capsule that had a Vegito in it to do the fighting for him. This is not Pokemon.

XXI should be disqualified, it's supposed to be a 1 on 1 fight, yet there's 3 people in the ring.

That guy must be making these random bizarre claims on purpose; he has had these weirdest baseless takes of all time for months already lmao.

Because Zen Buu willingly intentionally chose to allow that to happen to trick the tournament organizers into believing that he could be permanently sealed.

I think that on the 2nd panel, 3rd panel and 4th panel of page 2411 U7 Gast used Rei's Nanto Seiki Moha technique from Hokuto no Ken.

First the dark lightning magic from ZenBuu and now "Vegettos technique"?And Rei's Nanto Seiki Moha technique from Hokuto no Ken.

I think that the 2nd panel, 3rd panel and 4th panel of page 2411 are a Hokuto no Ken reference.

That dark lightning skill was supposed to counter Gast specifically.
Would it actually work well against Janemba who is opposite of Gast?
Or the skill might even give Janemba a boost toward a new transformation?
I feel like Gast is not only losing, He is making Goku needs to try harder

What I don't understand is the middle panels. Why Janemba smiling? Because he knows "he's imune" to magic and that attacked wouldn't hurt? Then why two panels for that? Gast was already attacking from the back, it's not like the suddenly teleported to the front and suprise-attacked him. I'm confused.

Wait how did Zenbuu comment 10 days before the page was released LOL

And yes, I think that the character show on this CSBDHB page is actually Chiaoldo, not Chiaotzu, because on this CSBDHB page Chiaoldo is show wearing on his wrists those blue Metamo-Rings from Dragon Ball Fusions, with those blue Metamo-Rings being another reference to Dragon Ball Fusions.

Cor Petit was saying: Has he?

I mean, he got blasted through while defenseless by Imperfect Cell, he tanked a blast from Nappa who was over x3 his power level at the time, and I guess regenerated when shattered by petrification.

Saj3 Kamehameha to normal to power up to ssj3 ..... what is gokus plan here ??