I went back and re-read the end of the Goku/Vegeta fight. Bra seems more impressed with SSJ0 or SSJ Normal or whatever it is called than this suggested. Vegetto has a thought about still being "infinitely stronger", but it sounds a lot like arrogance more than a reasonable assessment. Regardless, we all want SSJ3 Vegetto v SSJ0 Gogeta so fingers crossed! Maybe we can get a Gast v XXI rematch with Zen Uub in the mix.

vnass412 was saying: Wow,so they weren't even training together? That's pretty poor strategy.

Only within the last year. They trained for as much as they could together but realized they still had to live their own lives.

Socks is a cool name for Yamcha and Bulma's kid to differentiate him from Trunks.

Gohan would never manage to unlock SSJ by himself. It's probably Vegeta.

But why is Zalama chilling in some Earth cave?

Personally, I think Salagir disowning Broly would be funnier.

DrewSaga was saying: It sucks that Bardock claims he saw the "Error of his Ways" yet when he got an offer to "pick on the weak, he took it."
Freaking liar.

Peaking on the weak is not an error. This is the way!

By error, he meant how inefficient they were with Sayian barbaric approach. At the end, he probably was not that different from Frost Demons.

DrewSaga was saying: It sucks that Bardock claims he saw the "Error of his Ways" yet when he got an offer to "pick on the weak, he took it."

Freaking liar.
DBM Bardock only cares about Saiyans, which makes him compassionate by Saiyan standards but he's still fine with killing everyone else.

DrewSaga was saying: Gogetto was saying: I hole they spent those 10 years in the time chamber. They're gonna need it. I'm hoping we get an epic yamcha v Vegeta fight. Also I wonder if yamcha and bulma have a kid in this timeline

Honestly if the humans got their 48 Hours (2 Years inside the HTC) of training in the HTC then surely they'd be well above the Saiyans. Even Oozaru Vegeta wouldn't top that (or at least unlikely that he would).
lol no. People forget how ridiculous DBZ was...
"Oozaru Vegeta" should clock around 180k PL.
The humans could have trained themselves to a hundred times their end-of-dragonball power and they'd still fall against Nappa's Oozaru form let alone Vegeta's!

Diminishing results is a thing and important to keep in mind when trying to estimate how strong the humans would be training with Kami.

I doubt they used the time chamber, the humans never did in the main time line because it would have killed them. People forget how dangerous that thing is.

I hole they spent those 10 years in the time chamber. They're gonna need it. I'm hoping we get an epic yamcha v Vegeta fight. Also I wonder if yamcha and bulma have a kid in this timeline

SSGSSJ4VEGITO was saying: I think some people are being a bit harsh about the whole Thorn being smarter than Bulma. Yes he may be better with thus but think about it he loved on a world with vast knowledge and they are obviously more technologically advanced. But if that info was/is given to Bulma she could learn it and probably end up being smarter than Thorn. She's limited to earths tech and resources especially in the world she lives in

Yeah, people are acting like Thorn casually recreated Bulma's time machine and made fun of her for thinking it was ever an impressive achievement, or something. Characters other than our established protagonists are allowed to be good at things without it being a big attack on the source material, especially when they come from a civilisation hundreds of years beyond Earth that is literally dedicated to the accumulation of knowledge. As you say, neither Bulma or Gero have had the same opportunities as Thorn.

pip25 was saying: Agreed with iron leaf. Pan remote controlling #28 is great, and I also like Thorn as a character, but him out-tech-geniusing Bulma is not what I'd call a good plot idea. Surely both characters can have their own niche without overshadowing one another.

It's even worse, Thorn is likely better than Gero at this point if hacking his systems is easier than trivial school exams. This is some advanced Gary Stu level, this guy might just be worse than Bra and Buu put together.

Fatman was saying: It makes plenty of sense for Thorn to be this good. I mean like a thorn in the side, a constant pain for everyone. He comes from a civilization that gathers knowledge from nearly everyone. He's more capable in known theories and tech than in innovation and creation which are Bulma's domain. He also wasn't on Earth long enough to properly learn their languages and styles, so he would have to have been able to find familiarity in what's there and take advantage of known vulnerabilities and weaknesses of the system types. It makes sense.

Imagine being well versed in cybersecurity today, but going back in time 30 years. You'll know a lot of advanced concepts and things that can help beat folk in the past, but you're not necessarily capable of truly innovating during their time beyond what you already learned.

The fact that it doesn't outright and obviously create plotholes (or does it?) doesn't make it a good choice. The writers didn't HAVE to make him demonstrate his 99 INT 99 WIS stats by schooling Bulma and Gero like 4 times. This is a deliberate choice, and it makes him a Gary Stu. Or, if you don't like these kinds of buzzwords, it makes him incredibly annoying.

Also, your cybersecurity analogy doesn't work that well. You might be able to teach people some advanced cybersecurity concepts if you went back 30 years ago... How about if you went back 30 years ago but in an alien world with completely different tech?

Man, I'm glad Thorn can do politics, tech, everything (except not sound like an asshole). We almost got a potential Bulma moment by showing her efforts finally pay off as she hacks the enemy androids, facing off against Gero, not as advanced but incredibly driven and motivated for her friends! That sounds scary, I'm glad she got put in her place again instead.

Shabby was saying: FishNChips was saying: 4 on 4.
Goodluck, brave heroes! You will be remembered, because let's face it, you've got as much chance as a fly in a tornado

So, Tien was powerful enough to affect Semi perfect Cell. They were all powerful enough to not get one shot by cell Jrs.

Sure, they didn't train with King Kai, and Krillin didn't get his potential unlocked, but it's called potential for a reason.

They're nowhere near as powerful as their DBZ counters, but they could be well above 10k.

Now, Vegeta and crew should also be.

Also, they're all bones if the androids show up, hahaha.

Tien was "powerful enough" to push Semi-perfect Cell.
And they were all "powerful enough" to be literal Cell Jr amusement.

Well they aren’t freaked out by sensing the saiyans power levels so that’s good to account for
This is also an extreme situation since none of them have Kaio Ken to boost their power if the saiyans use oozaru it’s pretty much over.

DrewSaga was saying: Problem is how Trunks deals with an immortal.


Easy. Just make him watch the new snowhite. Will off himself.


Shabby was saying: RIP, New Trunks

Lol, more like "RIP new yamcha"

Let's put it this way. At the start of DBZ Vegeta had the power to destroy Earth with his Galick Gun. That is destroying one whole planet. Do you think Androids would be harmed by that Galick Gun from start of DBZ Vegeta???

From a different point, do you see a nuke destroying a planet?? If you sent a missile to Earth's moon with a nuke, do you think the moon is gone???

zero logic was saying: Yall think Frieza saga Frieza would die to a nuclear bomb???
Maybe. We have no proof one way or another, and nukes are very much a different kind of beast compared to any other type of weapon.

Yall think Frieza saga Frieza would die to a nuclear bomb???

Why did Old Kai even think he could do the ritual right in front of an opponent?

Super Gojita 3 was saying: DrewSaga was saying: Problem is how Trunks deals with an immortal.

I don't know if this mirrors the anime 100%, but in addition to ssj rage shown here, the anime had trunks use the mafuuba.

if he gets a seal from roshi, or somewhere, he can seal zamasu like he did before, but better.
It does mirror the anime 100%, actually, so yes, Trunks knows the Mafuba. But right now Goku Black is the only one present. The situation seems to indicate Future Zamasu hasn't revealed himself yet.

DrewSaga was saying: hetap was saying: So, I think this confirms that the lie Thorn was talking about was that Gero did not kill Gohan. He turned him into an android. Before people thought the lie was that they were able to kill a cyborg, but Krillin confirms here that he did indeed kill one (somehow lol, guessing Kienzan).

Maybe the Cyborgs aren't as powerful as the ones we are familiar with in DBZ. After all, do you even need SSJ-level Cyborgs to deal with humans? Gero likely mass produced weaker Androids to help him better control the world.

Fair point, but I doubt they would be any weaker than 19 was, but it certainly is possible.

So, I think this confirms that the lie Thorn was talking about was that Gero did not kill Gohan. He turned him into an android. Before people thought the lie was that they were able to kill a cyborg, but Krillin confirms here that he did indeed kill one (somehow lol, guessing Kienzan).

SpanishSebas was saying: Females was saying: I am certain they have no chance of winning even with their training. The only one they could take out would be Raditz and that's if they had one on one with him since they held their own against the Saibemen who were around Raditz power level.

If after a year of training they surpassed Raditz, after 10 years they should be able to beat Nappa.

After 10 years they are able to beat imperfect cell

Yes, let's leave the time capsule out in the open. Obviously nothing bad could ever happen to it...

And remember, this version of Broly is much weaker than SS1 Vegito. I guess Piccolo was right about Vegito being a threat to the entire Mulitverse in that one vision Bardock had.

How did Izy exactly save the day? It was that machine from U1 that shows up every 10 minutes that sent Buu back. Unless she engineered the gadget herself, it's not exactly her win.

DrewSaga was saying: Cell sure as shit don't deserve it. The dude played both sides for his benefit. Cell should really consider politics or business.


he used underhanded tactics, yes. But he was also aware there was no way he would be able to overthrow Babidi by himself. He needed Gohan to be outraged. He could have killed the piccolo's and the Helioites easily, probably several more. He kept it to just the Videls, and well.... his strategy did pay off, because Gohan immediately decided murder and violence was an acceptable conclusion. And that was before he even knew about Bra.

Cell would never allow himself to be ruled by a worm like Babidi. He was never on his side.

They call him the drink

I still can't believe they just glazed over the fact that XXI continued to attack Gast after he gave up and that Gast just didn't tell anyone how threatening XXI is to them all. Like it just makes no sense. It's almost as bad as the post majin Bra chapter (aka the worst chapter in DBM).

Why Frieza looking so feminine

Is Elder Kai boosting up Raditz against the rules or something?

Oh, interesting. So he's more mad that he took an unnecessary risk? It's kinda sounding like eating Gast wasn't actually his plan from the start.

Looks like Goku is going to beat his record of winning tournament fights in one hit, like Mahissu, Android 17, and Frieza by winning against XXI in zero hits lol.

Poor Goku only got proper matches against Vegeta and Uub. People he can already fight every day because they're U18.

XXI is so hilarious. He’s cursing and storming out like a child throwing a trauma.

If Gast is still alive I feel like he's coming out of this totally SHELL-SHOCKED & empty/dead eyes, staring off into nothingness. There might be no intel to pass off to Goku

And here we have it, hopefully the "XXI has done nothing wrong yet so he doesn't deserve to get killed like I'K'L and Old Kai say" crew are happy now. That's why you take care of the bad guy before he does what they're warning you he WILL do.

I really hope the Vargas do hear Gast forfeiting so XXI gets disqualified for cheating, he deserves that much.

Oh man, didn't expect to see Gast lose this badly.

But the question still remains. If XII could do this from the start, why didn't he? Why not "feast" on Vegetto? What's with the old man puppet ruse? What about that other character who gives him answers (which I still assume is some kind of Shenron)?

So many questions.

Gast fought arguably scarier opponents, why is he so scared here? did dying the first time get to him mentally? He's acting very out of character if you ask me.
Also i just want to note something while i'm here: The next fight will be Goku vs Xxi but i think it's pretty obvious that xxi will "win" the tournament because it is naratively more interesting. The only way that Goku does win is if Xxi is a humoungus red herring and the real villain is vegitto all along, although i'm not too sure what I'K'L or Uub's roles will be if that were the case.

ZenBuu was saying: Gogetto was saying: So remember when Zen Buu immobilized Gast? Why can't XXI do the same thing? Does he maybe know that it won't work a second time on Gast? I just think that if Zen Buu could pull it off XXI should be able to also. Plus XXI prob asked his eternal dragons for a way to beat gast (or w.e those things are that gave him the button to shut off 18).

When XXI said at the beginning of the match that he had no way of beating Gast automatically, he didn't necessarily mean he didn't have a way of beating him ultimately. I just find it hard to believe the true villain of this story loses before he fights the main protag. Gast and XXI v Goku would give us the best of both worlds for a final match
On page 2110, XXI's dragon says that he can't give him those techniques that Buu used to kill Gast, because "they are way beyond his abilities."

O snap you're right. Love the depth of dbms story! It's just had to believe zen buu would be more advanced that xxi in any technique since I assume both of them absorbed the bulk of their universes in their own ways. Makes me wonder if xxi has a glaring weakness just like his opponents.

Vegettos hubris, 18s off switch, buus incantation.... So is xxis weakness a vacume cleaner. I see a lot of dust being kicked up.. ok I'll stop. That was a terrible joke lol



siksteen was saying: Well, Gast here being OP as usual. He is not wrong and many commenters here figured that out too.
But, unfortunately, I expect XII will absorb that blast.

I wonder why XII can't just teleport Gast to another dimension like he did with Vegetto. Seems to be the silver bullet, much like Bra teleporting her opponents into deep space.



Gogetto was saying: I just find it hard to believe the true villain of this story loses before he fights the main protag. Gast and XXI v Goku would give us the best of both worlds for a final match
I mean I agree with that statement but I doubt that that fight is the "last boss" end-of-the-story fight. Is Goku even the main protagonist here anyway? Is XII the "true villain"?


Goku is always the main character!!! I see your point though. I think Vegetto will be a sub plot before the finals when he gets pissed about gast losing to what he believes is cheating via magic (he's made it clear he doesn't like magic hax even though he was kinda born of one lol).

I do agree that xxi could lose and be a menace to the tournament after but I find it unlikely. The finals seems like a great place to flesh him out

DrewSaga was saying: Come on Gast, don't go down on a whimper...

MrPerson0 was saying: Goku desperately taking notes since he'll likely have to face XXI...

I would too if I was Goku. If he can't figure XXI out then what chance does he have?

zero logic was saying: Vash was saying: I can’t see anything either.
Lol nice one. Can't Gast just IT out of the smoke?

If Goku can't sense Gast then it's possible Gast can't sense the others neither.

So? Gast is not using Goku's IT. He knows Kibito/Kai tp which doesn't need any lock. This was pointed out on the fight against Janemba

Goku desperately taking notes since he'll likely have to face XXI...

Vash was saying: I can’t see anything either.
Lol nice one. Can't Gast just IT out of the smoke?

I was hard on this comic in its first chapter, but "Plan B" is when it got better for me.

This is exactly what this comic should be, just an all-fun slugfest with all DBZ characters. SSJ3 Gogeta vs an ever growing Broly, Janemba vs a Good Super Buu? This is actually pretty cool.

ZenBuu was saying: JetMalakai was saying: Kazuki was saying: XXI is attacking the kid cause he can, it doesn't disqualify because according to the tournament rules, the kid is basically part of him and his abilities.
Attacking the kid just baits the hero (Gast) into protecting him, making Gast even easier to kill.
Something that could be cool and a little unexpected would be if Goku and others jump in too to save the kid.
If that were to happen Goku would be disqualified and XXI would win the tournament, turning the whole thing into the worst case scenario.
This story needs more of the good old "things get worse before they get better" treatment.

You might be right. I was expecting Goku to win but for it to be rendered moot by something XXI does. He clearly doesn't care about the dragon balls anyway. I think its pretty obvious he's out to destroy 19 other realities or countless other realities if he can, its just a question of how he's going to do it.
XXI clearly wants the Dragon Balls for a wish (page 956).

I thought everyone knew XXI wants to make a wish, I guess it's been so many years it gets hard to remember or think about it.
It's very Dragon Ball, that the bad guy wants the Dragon Balls.
I think it's even more Dragon Ball, that the bad guy actually gets his wish and then our heros have to deal with it and still win.
I honestly think that we don't need a Goku vs XXI solo fight at all, and the creators of DBM probably agree.
All this, is what makes me think that having Goku be disqualified for interfering and saving the kid, would actually be the most accurate character representation.
DBM has been super accurate in representing our heros just as they were in the original work, can't imagine Goku letting a kid (probably) die right in front of him.
This part is wishful thinking, but imagine a super beautiful page of Goku and Vegeta, saving the kid in a flash with their Ultimate form/Normal Super Saiyan (callback to saving the kid fused in movie 12).

SOME FANSERVICE! :O

Some may feel like this is a bit out of place and I won't blame them. But hey, back in the Majin rebellion arc, we had Bra almost without a Bra. ^^
So I don't think this here is too bad. Even if her top was hanging on like 2 only threads at the end, it's probably more durable than the steel door from Gero's lab or Katchin.

Jokes aside, yes, this is an old drawing from Homola Gábor. We had a bit time pressure out of lack from artists who draw a cover for free. So if someone wants to volunteer, here is your chance! Write me here and I'll contact you per e-mail. Or you can write me on discord, just go to the official DBM Server. We can really need some help, since we have enough to do with coloring. We have many ideas for extra pages too!

Why did we pick this specific old drawing? Simply because it still kinda fits with the focus on Son Bra in this chapter where she fights Zangya and lacks control over her anger. Obviously she won't get injured like that in the fight. The alternative would've been some drawing of Zangya from Asura. But since the focus is clearly on Bra, we decided to use this. So I wonder if some of you would've preferred that? :)

The original idea for this cover was this:

Sun Wukong (DBM) and Kid Goku meditating on their Nyoi-bōs on Mount Paozu at sunset.

Yet, this is still a nice drawing from Gábor. :)

I’m kind of glad janemba does show up to stop the universe from being destroyed in a clash between gogeta and broly. But what if this janemba is the same one under IKL control ? It would explain why this janemba is much stronger than the movie version we are used to which would only require above super saiyan 3 in buu saga to beat. Maybe janemba is much stronger due to the time of everything with it being YEARS later and due to the accumulation of evil spirits over the years. Like a cooking pot the longer on the stove the deeper the hotter the broil and juices will be. This could have been one of IKL plots. Perhaps with his wizard stuff he has soul manipulation like a bleach character or something.

"with the authority...and the power to destroy your army."
Wouldn't that make you a dictator as well? He is also an Alien born outside of Earth so how does he have any authority over Earth is beyond me.

"without the consent of the people"
You only interacted with like less than 0.1% of the Earth population.

"I will guarantee your security and a fair trial"
You can't guarantee shit my dude. Again you are an Alien, an outsider and you just went through and believed what less than 0.1% had told you. How are you going to guarantee a fair trial when you don't know the laws and rules of the land? And if the results aren't to your liking? you will just exact your authority and threaten people with power like a dictator.

I mean someone like Beerus is also in a similar shoe as Gast but Beerus wouldn't care what you think and just exact his authority whether you like it or not.

I wonder if Vegeta will be the final boss of Gasts story before the tournament starts

He is, but he is emo, clearly.

DrewSaga was saying: Don't worry #31, she is just helping Thorn fuel the spaceship with the energy she stole from Gast.

Now time for #31 to eat some Honey Smacks cereal.

Shabby was saying: seems a little wild, he was so drained he could barely move, but had enough power to deal real blow to someone who just stole his power?

I think Gast was just sandbagging it like Piccolo was doing with Gero in DBZ.

True but even piccolo needed but if a breather, gast was like ‘oh. That’

I do like the angles the action was done, kinda wish a destructo disc was thrown instead of a leaping in kick.

Bit surprised the cyborg didn’t pick up krillin’s energy with the ‘pick up energies hence why I’m walking’ but that could be chalked to not being focused.

seems a little wild, he was so drained he could barely move, but had enough power to deal real blow to someone who just stole his power?

Young Ghost was saying: It wouldn't make sense for Thorn not to go to the tournament considering Gast's wish is to defuse, wouldn't he want to be with Gast till his final moments?
Maybe Thorn is dead.
There's no dragonballs to wish him back so Gast could at least bring him back before his defuses.

Hello everyone! Here is Thorn's first feat of arms!
We thought for a long time about what to do on Thorn's "power level". Cyborgs are still more powerful than Frost Demons, who are officially the most powerful beings in the universe. Even with a very good teacher, it seems unlikely that a non-combatant would reach this level.
I even thought about magical powers or illusions for his arsenal. In the end, Thorn will use his ingenuity above all. But he still has an out-of-this-world level, with an inhuman speed that allows him to take a cyborg by surprise.

Good thing the robots in this universe isn't a smoking hot chick huh?

Krillin won't survive otherwise.

A little overkill. Agumon probably could have Yamchad Yamcha without digivolving

Actually, "mirror moves" DON'T make sense, UNLESS both of them are lazy losers (which they MAY be, loool).
See, at this Power Level they definitely can SEE the other's move.
So, logically speaking, a REAL warrior would adjust his REACTION, as opposed to continuing to MIRROR the move.
Unless they are nano-second tuned to perfect mirroring (which is unlikely), one of them is REACTING to the other's move.
And if the one REACTING is literally just going through with a COPY move... well, these guys ARE losers, lol.
Now, prove me wrong, I dare you all.

"Now now, perfectly symmetrical violence never solved anything." - Professor Farnsworth.